It's a unique function of Soviet vehicles in WoT, that the larger the aiming reticle, the more Accuracy you can fit into it. I'm sure Circon once theorized the most efficient sniper in the Red Army was a Light Tank Commander with 50% training drafted into a KV-2 with no other crew remaining, manning a broken 152mm howitzer in a rotating turret, traveling at full speed.
@purplemnkydshwshr2 жыл бұрын
You've got make sure you get those ammo racks somehow.
@davidsmith89972 жыл бұрын
Seems legit.
@davethompson33262 жыл бұрын
Sniper Pavlov! Every snapshot taken blindfold is a kill!
@narsakucanada1542 жыл бұрын
Awhile ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist." I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever. I've had other experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart. Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us deeply. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them. Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, and forgiving, To All.
@toby12482 жыл бұрын
@@narsakucanada154 stop spamming you god botherer. Nobody gives a fuck about your sky daddy.
@christopherjohnson87432 жыл бұрын
"Big gun go derp. Enemy tank go boom." might be the greatest tagline for a vehicle in WoT. Trademark that Jingles. :D
@lith0s0942 жыл бұрын
This should me description of Kv-2 in the tank wiki.
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
@@lith0s094 How do you know it doesn't? Did you look?🤣
@iamdachampion092 жыл бұрын
I was coming down to make a similar comment hahaha
@Jezato2 жыл бұрын
This should be on a shirt by jingles, the gnome tank commander poking his head out of the commanders hatch shouting "Big gun go derp! Enemy tank go BOOM!"
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
@@Jezato That is great idea except, have him just say "Derp" and Eddie Shout from the other tank "Boom"!
@duvagr0072 жыл бұрын
Jackson was an absolute joy in the chat... "Mother of pearl!" "Sorry for the language" Amazing. Also love that you can see the exact moment Skyguy realized he could just... hit the brakes and kill the e25. That's using your head folks.
@MrGrimsmith2 жыл бұрын
Well, it was more his arse that he used for the job but they are interchangeable for middle management so I can appreciate your confusion :D
@duvagr0072 жыл бұрын
@@MrGrimsmith Touche
@richivey10442 жыл бұрын
@@MrGrimsmith In this case, unexpected butt sex is best butt sex 🤣
@RagingGaymer Жыл бұрын
@@duvagr007 well...yeah. we can see the moment he realized he can hit the brakes because he hits the brakes lol
@danagiles5100 Жыл бұрын
Butt kill...incoming...
@mihaildimitrov11492 жыл бұрын
A KV-2 maneuver kill. Now I've seen everything.
@devinaschenbrenner2683 Жыл бұрын
Never underestimate comrade KV 2.
@BPKPhoenix2 жыл бұрын
E-25: "A-ha! Got you now ya big fat Russian bugger!" KV-2: "WHO SENT THIS BABY TO FIGHT?!" *SLAMS on the brakes making burning tread marks* E-25: "AAAAAAA-" *KAPOOSH*
@Botfodder22 жыл бұрын
Also kind of: E-25: Bonzai! *tink* KV-2 crew: Did you hear something?
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
E-25 go smack! KV2 go Ha-Ha! 🙃
@Tank50us2 жыл бұрын
E25: I have you now! KV2: *slams on brakes* E25: WHAT!? *Explodes*
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
@@Tank50us Kv2 goes "Yum yum, fried E-25" crunch
@squawk7500212 жыл бұрын
Came to comments to see who else noticed, we are all executive producers for @themightyjingles Don’t ever change mighty salt mine overlord!
@nazamroth84272 жыл бұрын
Ah, the old Endor Break maneuver. Did not expect a KV to ever execute it.
@lawnmowerman68192 жыл бұрын
I remember a game in my ISU-122S where I was being chased by a Cromwell downhill and pulled the same maneuver; didn't kill him, but tracked him which allowed me to swing around and out-dpm him to death. I too sacrificed enough dissidents that day lol.
@charlesparr1611 Жыл бұрын
@@lawnmowerman6819 I learned, not even twenty minutes ago, that the Cromwell will track itself just going hard over a sand dune on the oasis map in blitz.... So I guess I am unchecked by this story lol.
@charlesparr1611 Жыл бұрын
@@lawnmowerman6819 and by track I mean both tracks, and 75hp knocked off.
@13thMonkeyz2 жыл бұрын
the conversation in chat between KV-2 and Jackson and the ending are just gold.
@Shicksalblume2 жыл бұрын
That E-25 needs a remedial physics course.
@danagiles5100 Жыл бұрын
or actual brakes...#buttkillforthewin
@jon-paulfilkins78202 жыл бұрын
KV-2, for when you want something small, light and nimble to scout for your TOG platoon!
@phillogan34052 жыл бұрын
Ah, KV-2...the good ol' days of WOT
@karelmarkvart1517 Жыл бұрын
there was comic strip with Tier 5 tanks complaining that MM into Tier VIII battle is unfair... and then there was KV smiling saying something like "Yep, unfair..."
@stevenhare5622 жыл бұрын
Dude that last moment when he hits the brakes and makes the tiny tank hit his rear made me spit my drink out lol 😂
@AnubisMRM2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the KV2 going downhill, I knew what was going to happen. The E25 player did not disappoint.
@DERP_Squad2 жыл бұрын
Actually, Jingles... don't worry, I'm getting ready to go to the salt mines already, but the KV tank that held up the German advance for a day during the Battle of Raseiniai was probably a KV-1. Accounts vary, but research into Russian records suggests the most likely tank was a KV-1 from the nearby Soviet 4th Tank Regiment that had become immobilised. Yes, yes... I'm going to get my toothpick to extract the salt for the glorious gnome overlord's fish and chip supper.
@chaosengine45972 жыл бұрын
oh no, my friend. You are not allowed even close to his overloards' supper for the next 69 shifts.
@DERP_Squad2 жыл бұрын
@@chaosengine4597 Shifts are 10 years each if I remember correctly?
@davethompson33262 жыл бұрын
You wish you had a toothpick, someone pull one of his teeth out!
@panther-nk2hn2 жыл бұрын
@@DERP_Squad Precisely.
@JoshuaC9232 жыл бұрын
I can already hear the gun cocking
@Kar4ever32 жыл бұрын
The amount of "shield not penetrated" on Hellcats says that KV-2 HE is utterly killed off.
@davethompson33262 жыл бұрын
They reinforce their camo net with extra string!
@littlekong76852 жыл бұрын
Yeah, between the KV-2 failing to hurt artillery somehow, and the shitbarn bouncing rounds off garbage tier tank destroyer armour sideshirts (Like the Jagdpanther and dickers), the nerfs got bad.
@brianw3415 Жыл бұрын
Blah, ive had so much damage blocked by hellcats. I'm always struck dumn by 8t and just drink another gulp of my vodka that makes WoT more fun.
@johnblackrose Жыл бұрын
Id say in this regard warthunder in the better game. But considering the recent ahit storm meh
@GGM_Grievous00302 жыл бұрын
When Jingles says about the cold hand of stalin breaking the surface to guide the shot, I can just imagine his hand popping up like a buried zombie hand coming up to the surface.
@LdHrothgar2 жыл бұрын
It does, when you're driving the KV-2 you can see it happen.
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
The Cold Hand of Stalin comes up to shake your hand. 😬
@Content_Deleted2 жыл бұрын
Same!
@BlubberNotBubble982 жыл бұрын
"Mother of pearl" "Sorry about my language" Made me chuckle XD
@johnapppel642 жыл бұрын
The KV-2, like the TOG, always delivers.
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
Watch what ya say about W.G. Jingles. They might say "Hold my beer" and they nerf high explosive so much that it does next to nothing in damage against heavy armor! GG, and thank you for the KV2 show!
@Paveway-chan2 жыл бұрын
3:34 I believe Nicholas Moran has said that the Germans knew full-well the 88mm was good for AT work even before the Battle of France. I mean, why would they have AP ammo ready for that KV-2 if they didn't think it would be useful?
@danieltaylor52312 жыл бұрын
They discovered the 88mm's anti-tank prowess in the Spanish Civil War. They even put it on an armored halftrack in 1938. See the 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf schwere Zugkraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8),
@thimosebregts76522 жыл бұрын
Im a simple man, I see kv-2 I upvote
@engimoore23742 жыл бұрын
Haven't played WoT since 2018. The two vehicles I miss the most are the KV-2 and the SU-152. Just vaporizing an enemy that had full health was such a glorious feeling. Thank you for the video and the trip down memory lane, Jingles! 🙂
@greatitbroke2 жыл бұрын
And for those that missed it his name is in reference to Asoka calling Anakin Skyguy in Clone Wars. Style points for that one.
@wihamaki2 жыл бұрын
On this same map, our scout being chased by an ELC down in the valley. Only thing missing was the Benny Hill theme music. Without stopping my KV-2, way out of render range, let a shot go with a stupid amount of lead... and it destroyed the ELC. Someday, when I'm much older and senile, I'll be retelling this like it was real life. "Okay Grandpa, Whatever you say, now take your pills."
@arethmaran12792 жыл бұрын
If you look, Skyguy Brake Checked the E25 and I'm all for how well played that was.
@blitzkriegbomb242 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always, just couldn't help but notice the fit the panther took after overextending around the corner and dying. I hope they stayed in the game long enough to see how well their comment "kv2s lost the game" aged at 7:32
@KPen37502 жыл бұрын
That shot on the VK....it was just like the good ol days. Deeerp!
@brianriphagen90742 жыл бұрын
You see KV-2 you click like.
@AdamAdam-se9js2 жыл бұрын
was about to say the same. KV-2 stronk
@brianriphagen90742 жыл бұрын
@@AdamAdam-se9js stronkest of the stronk
@NotLikethisComrade2 жыл бұрын
@@brianriphagen9074 you are my Man
@brianriphagen90742 жыл бұрын
@@NotLikethisComrade 😎
@NotLikethisComrade2 жыл бұрын
@@brianriphagen9074 👊🏼💪🏽
@GigAnonymous2 жыл бұрын
I would have never though to ever see a KV-2 brake check a E-25... what a day!
@TonyC23282 жыл бұрын
13:50 funniest thing I've seen in a while
@debbiemoore46282 жыл бұрын
The 8.8cm Flak 18 was first used against ground targets in the Spanish Civil War and later the Flak 36 was used against British Matilda I's in 1940 at Arras.
@andyoctapus12 жыл бұрын
I could see that brake check from a mile away 😂 the E 25 was just a weee bit lead-footed as it crested the bump on the hill
@plektosgaming2 жыл бұрын
Like that scene in Top Secret with the exploding Pinto. The E25 DID slam on the brakes, but all it took was a tap because of how "physics" works in WoT. lol.
@davidlabedz20462 жыл бұрын
Big gun "go derp"! Jingles colorful description of pure KV-2 entertainment.
@brunoratto2532 жыл бұрын
THIS is the tank that got me into World of Tanks! Keep your Panzers, your Shermans, your Tigers and your IS's. To me, WoT was all about my 152mm harbinger of doom and BOOM! 😋 Those were the days...
@evanlawrence72892 жыл бұрын
Yes and fail platoon to get into a tier 10 game was so much fun with the KV2.
@silentmoniker2 жыл бұрын
Came for jingles..stayed for KV-2
@paulvamos73192 жыл бұрын
KV2 approves this message.
@neoquegon2 жыл бұрын
the moment that the kv2 went down the hill at the end I knew it was coming lol
@TheAzrael9182 жыл бұрын
I do love the KV-2 Show, I'm happy to see there are still new episodes coming out 🙂
@vegladex2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the "Cold dead hand of Stalin" meme, it is, by far, the best meme in WoT, thank you so much for delivering
@solanine92052 жыл бұрын
Just a touch after 0200 here in the US, but who needs sleep when you can watch a Jingles video instead?
@KyralRetsam2 жыл бұрын
I don't play WoT, but the KV-2 puts a smile on my face every time ☺️
@SammywiseG2 жыл бұрын
That ending... Comedy gold right there!
@davethompson33262 жыл бұрын
Maybe the "historical accuracy" gang want to discuss the combat state of a crew in ANY tank hit with a 152 mm HE shell, irrespective of how thick a box they are in?
@Fighterpilot5552 жыл бұрын
Skyguy killing that E25 using his ass is top comedy
@stiimuli Жыл бұрын
I seriously lol'd when he brake-checked the E-25 and killed it XD
@videosfer1002 жыл бұрын
7:30 two KV-2s shooting everytime they reload putting consistent damage the entire match, panther: KV-2s did nothing and we lost the game classic WoT
@daylightsend45457 ай бұрын
a bit of a late reply, but the other kv2 really didn't do much, skyguy was really the only kv2 that really put in effective fire. the other kv2 only done 354 damage in the entire game.
@Try_Again_Bragg2 жыл бұрын
WG: NERFS HE WG: Makes a heavy line the has stupid HE. Looking at you BZ line.
@stefanpajung1132 жыл бұрын
That E25 clearly hasn't seen Jingles' "how to ram" video. To be fair, that video is kinda old, but still gold.
@Draconisrex12 жыл бұрын
The 75mm gun used in 1941 was a low-velocity 75mm. It had worse penetration than the 75mm on the Sherman and could penetrate 43mm of armor at 30 degree slope at 750M. They were later upgraded to a better, higher-velocity gun..
@thattankguy81652 жыл бұрын
there is no better way to enjoy breakfast then with a KV-2 video :)
@ThePeteweng2 жыл бұрын
A KV-2 video on my birthday? Thank you Jingles!
@cgross822 жыл бұрын
That E-25 ram was priceless! I was literally laughing uncontrollably!
@michaelhildebrandt18982 жыл бұрын
I never get enough of KV-2 game play 🙂
@jimmybob5622 жыл бұрын
I needed a good laugh, today was rough. Thanks Jingles.
@TheStefanskoglund12 жыл бұрын
Jingles, Wehrmacht did know about the deficiencies of the tank's own guns - so they did ensure that the 88 mm kanone would have AP ammunition too ! And that was their doctrine in 1940 in France, the 88 mm was intended for all targets air or ground or sea.
@bobheale25212 жыл бұрын
Still lovin KV-2 replays :)
@matthewandrews90522 жыл бұрын
Thanks jingles. As a history major in college I appreciate and enjoy your history lessons on real tanks. 👍🏻
@kibbeystovall75462 жыл бұрын
Actually Jingles, one of the biggest modifications to the KV series tanks did NOT involve adding more armor. In fact, it was the opposite, the KV-1S (it's in the game) had reduced side armor to save weight.
@Sgt__Hawk2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the E25 actually intended to ram him. He just got brake checked pretty good...
@aarondavies84862 жыл бұрын
These make working in the salt mine just that little easier when it's historic talk while wot is playing in the background
@timp33132 жыл бұрын
I only thought the other day "Jingles, why no KV2 anymore" Great gameplay, brilliant commentary - Please do more of these 😁
@LdHrothgar2 жыл бұрын
Mostly because Wargaming nerfed them into the ground and they are nothing CLOSE to as much fun to play anymore.
@mjxw2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jingles, great video as always. Re: the famous 88. It was actually their experience in the Spanish Civil War that convinced the Germans it would be an effective anti-tank weapon. Hugh Thomas wrote an excellent general history of it and among other, more famous examples of the genre, a young British volunteer for the *Nationalists*, Peter Kemp, wrote a very good memoir called "Mine Were of Trouble" on his experiences. Have a good one!
@DavidJones-ls6jy2 жыл бұрын
Best WoT video in ages....I'm crying at the E25.
@arkhaan70662 жыл бұрын
Now we need a good old fashioned TOG video
@HumbugDandy2 жыл бұрын
How about some tier 3 and 4 British Cruiser Tanks, Maybe even a Crusader and Matilda frenzy! HONK
@JonMI62 жыл бұрын
13:55 *KV-2 to E25* “The power of the ass compels you”
@rodofiron1002 жыл бұрын
I fail tooned my KV2 into a teir 9 game my first game in it, one spotted a doom turtle. Did 80% damage with my shot and then he burned to death. Way back when this game was still fun to play.
@callumfitch11682 жыл бұрын
My favourite moment of the new HE was when I took two zero damage HESH rounds from a death Star when I was playing a grille15
@andycraft79422 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Jingles. I looove the Kv2! Even if wargaming doesn't want people to have any fun in their game, the Kv2 can still deliver!!
@austinkilbreath98602 жыл бұрын
Hey rear admiral Jingles keep making excellent videos there always entertaining and fun to watch
@DeadBaron2 жыл бұрын
That E-25 shot was painful, I know Wargaming abandoned realism years ago, but that shell should have vaporized that little thing
@bavo9812 жыл бұрын
Playing this and the KV-1 waaaaaaay back when was the first time I felt invincible in WoT.
@fallenpalladin2 жыл бұрын
I remember back in Beta when the KV became the KV-1 and KV-2 and people use to panic when they seen a KV-2 it was GG from the start lol
@zackakai51732 жыл бұрын
1:40 what I'm hearing is the Germans lemming trained 🤣
@realberserkpanda2 жыл бұрын
I am old fashioned, I see KV-2, I click!
@DiscoStuWoT2 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff Jingles
@vforvendetta_. Жыл бұрын
I just started this video and just had to mention how much i enjoy Mr Jingles commentary about historical facts of tanks in game. Ah, off to watch now :D
@TallulahSoie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for video. Been an interesting few days since YT has been recommending 7+ year old videos from you and Flamu. Been an interesting contrast looking back. I thought I'd seen all your videos over the years.
@mahmoodali50432 жыл бұрын
I like to think that the KV-2 story was a real life example of a lemming train, with the German tanks finding a single KV-2 and looking at each other going "no, you go first" XD
@Banzai512 жыл бұрын
Sherman derping was every bit as fun as KV-2 derping. I really miss it.
@vicroc42 жыл бұрын
I remember unlocking the 105 on my Sherman just before the HE patch was released. Think I had all of two games of glorious Sherman derp before it got ruined. I'm still not sure if I'm saltier over that or them making the T18 into arty. That was another hilarious derp machine back in the day, made even better by the accusations of sealclubbing when I'd only recently unlocked it.
@devinaschenbrenner2683 Жыл бұрын
I love how he even put the breaks on the E25. Kv 2 never gets old.
@MaS-ch2id2 жыл бұрын
Dear Jingles, enjoying your videos as always. If I remember a docu correctly, the AA-guns have been used as a ground to ground weapon in the spain civil war. Just if you are interested and I am not wrong. Sincerly yours
@alvins50542 жыл бұрын
I had a hilarious moment on Redshire in the KV-2 a couple of weeks ago. We had just won the airship and was pushing through and a tank in the middle was spotted, I fired on the move at full speed while also turning the turred from D0 to D3/D4 at well over 400 meters while that tank was pulling back behind the hill, hit and one shotted him. I took a few more shots at range but without moving and hit every single in the battle and ended up with a tank sniper medal and a high caliber. Unfortunately for every one of those games you'll have dozens of games where you can't even hit the inside of the barn.
@mods11332 жыл бұрын
It's been a while since we last saw Comrade Stalin in a world of tanks episode. We miss him
@MyPetGoldFish1012 жыл бұрын
NOW WE NEED A A HOT TOG SHOW
@smiddlehurst12 жыл бұрын
For the benefit of those who haven't seen the glorious TOG on this channel before we should perhaps point out this is in reference to a certain food-based skin for the Royal Navy's finest tank and not, for example, any sort of adult entertainment related insta-demonetisation video.
@matthewmartin37872 жыл бұрын
Not that TOG is against adult entertainment, TOG is a party tank. Everyone likes being near TOG, even enemy shells like being near TOG.
@Kyuubi7992 жыл бұрын
Jingles would upload TOG more often, but the videos were too long.
@brianrankin58762 жыл бұрын
They NEEEEEEEEED to fix the skin o hot tog the mismash of textures kills it for me and can’t enjoy it
@topshelf35542 жыл бұрын
one of the better Jingles WoT vids for a while.
@marcelgroen62562 жыл бұрын
@The Mighty Jingles ... The "Not one step back" directive was issued at the start of the battle of Stalingrad (28 July 1942) by our friend Jospeh... Not at the starting days of op. Barbarossa
@HarryP4572 жыл бұрын
Oh dear... it's been too long since a KV2 vid. As he's running down the hill followed be the E25 I'm yelling at the screen "Hit the brakes!!". E25 go splat... marvellous. :)
@jakegross94282 жыл бұрын
I still have the 105 on my M4. 2 Marks, 2006 battles, hundreds of Fire for Effects and Bruisers, one Lucky and my only Kolobanov's and Nichol's and numerous other medals. Though looking at my KV-2, I somehow got a Raider medal in it; no idea how.
@ZeroHeros82 жыл бұрын
In all of the 8 years i have been playing World of Tanks, that is the first time I have seen a KV-2 do over a 1000 damage
@Seygem2 жыл бұрын
wtf
@markfrank33072 жыл бұрын
Hello Mighty Jangles. The only high light of my day
@ewetoo2 жыл бұрын
That E-25 is a classic case of the dog finding out what the windpipe does when you catch it on a bad day.
@thelegionisnotamused89292 жыл бұрын
Sitting here screaming 'Stop, STOP, STOP!!!' as he was rolling down the hill with the E-25 behind him...
@richieplaysgame52 жыл бұрын
ahh yes, a mighty jingles video just as i get home from a huge day. tuna bake at the ready! Perfect end to the arvo haha!
@bobheale2521 Жыл бұрын
One of the most hilarious games I've had was using AP in the KV-2. One shotting tanks everywhere, blind fire kills.
@resurgam_b7 Жыл бұрын
Always a joy to see the old KV-2 strutting her stuff and whiffing the best aimed shots while nailing the hail marys 😂
@giantfrigginnerd2 жыл бұрын
I think my favourite part was the dead hand of Stalin guiding our Hero's shots
@chriscoleman8200 Жыл бұрын
Brought to you today by the KV-2 - proudly supporting content creators and their denizens with daily doses of endorphins since 2014.
@Depipro2 жыл бұрын
Jackson: "Oh Mother of Pearl... sorry about the language." I like this player.
@talleryet2 жыл бұрын
Me: (Opens KZbin and see's The KV-2 Show from The Mighty Jingles) "I must watch this immediately"
@niki82802 жыл бұрын
Skyguy was credited with that Arti kill which the Jackson thought was his kill btw
@purplemnkydshwshr2 жыл бұрын
That E25 driver is now sending a sternly worded letter to Wargaming, complaining that the KV-2's shell didn't ricochet back at Skyguy and kill him instead.
@smiddlehurst12 жыл бұрын
Christ that's a scary thought... a KV-2 ricochet. Nothing quite like receiving 40+ kg's of exploding iron addressed to someone else.
@GaldirEonai2 жыл бұрын
3:34 The germans learned about the Flak 88 being good against tanks quite some time before Barbarossa. It was against _french_ tanks during the Bltzkrieg phase of the war that they tested it out in earnest, but they'd been planning for it since the start of the weapon's development, just after WW1. It was always intended to be a dual-purpose gun, evidenced by the fact that AP rounds for it were available and issued to units (you don't fire AP at aircraft...well, unless you're playing War Thunder but even there it's a bad idea :P). In the spanish civil war the 88 got a lot of use against ground targets, but since the republican forces didn't have much in the way of tanks it was mostly against infantry (with HE rounds) or bunkers (where the AP round turned out to be highly effective). They just didn't have enough of them to mass deploy them in the AT role and still keep up AA cover during Barbarossa, which led to situations like the unkillable KV-2.
@justusstern91252 жыл бұрын
What a great time it was when you could drag some teammates into T10 Battles with their KV-2`s.... and your team WINS, because your KV-2`s killed T10 Heavys :D
@Zeknif12 жыл бұрын
KV-2 and M-44 Winplatooning into tier X was one of my favorite pastimes. I three marked my M-44 that way.