BoJack Horseman 4x11 - "Time's Arrow" REACTION!!

[@Pepepper]

Those last lines hit different when you remember she never got to eat ice cream growing up, so she can't imagine what it even tastes like. ;_;

[@adamvialpando106]

And that look she gave makes me think she knew what Bojack was doing and continued to believe it for him. Probably the only kind thing either one did for the other.

[@OTWTRAPP]

@@adamvialpando106 your not right at all ,also what would that benefit from Bojack anyways and still good theory it I just wanna know how would that benefit for Bojack "IF" she was faking

[@adamvialpando106]

@@OTWTRAPP The same reason Bojack let Princess Carolyn help him at the restaurant back in Season 3. He knew she needed to help so she could feel better. Instead of tearing her down when she became lucid Bojack instead helped her go to a peaceful place. When he mentioned vanilla ice cream she probably snapped out of it because she had no memories of it. But seeing her son, who had never shown love to her or received love from her, putting aside his feelings to do one small kindness for het she probably decided to simply go along with it so he didn't think his one act was a failure. At least that's how I saw it.

[@awolace1577]

I noticed that- she uses the general word “delicious” instead of anything specific, it HURTS man

[@christopherscotts5797]

She did taste a freezy pop when she went to the war's over party with her mom. And it's hard to imagine that even when she was a rebel while young, she didn't try to eat ice cream

[@tvftw1]

Ah yes, another 20 minute collection of good times with the funny horse show

[@3dstuff654]

Just like the adventures of the big metal man and the full metal alchemist 😁

[@BrokenCartridge.]

Like that movie with the happy old couple with balloons!!

[@YourLocalEldritchHorror]

@@BrokenCartridge. No NO why it's true but whyyyy

[@BrokenCartridge.]

@@YourLocalEldritchHorror rip

[@chuu5896]

I’m ready to die

[@yansantiago8309]

One thing about the ending that I like is how Bojack, even when he said that he'd tell his mom off and let out his hate for her once she remembers, he actually tries to comfort her somewhat instead.

[@KlooKloo]

Unfortunately she doesn't have memories of vanilla ice cream, because she wasn't allowed to eat it, breaking the illusion.

[@sukhnoorkaur]

Proving that may be he’s more man than a horse 🥺

[@MonstrousOgre]

When she said "You're a waste of my husband's jism", she was referring to Henrietta. Not Bojack.

[@Steelburgh]

And when she first sees Hollyhock at the retirement home. "Oh, it's you." BoJack introduces her as his daughter, which is when she starts calling him Henrietta.

[@MonstrousOgre]

@@Steelburgh damn I didn't even think of that. Nice catch!

[@jsinmcc92]

@@Steelburgh really nice catch

[@bisine]

@@Steelburgh holy shit that's a nice catch!

[@xxbennyboygamerxx]

@@Steelburgh nice catch bob

[@penfold7455]

That last few minutes: Yeah, this is what everyone who has a parent with Alzheimer's goes through at some point (which I personally went through with my mother up until December when she passed). It starts off with correcting them when they think they are at some younger point in their life, but you eventually realize it makes it easier for everyone to go along with it. It's a rough thing to go through, and this episode brought that back.

[@Slm99]

It was the same with my grandmother.

[@dulcealvarez6071]

there's a song by the band daughter named "doing the right thing" and the vocalist wrote it about a relative with alzheimer and it says at follows "I'll call out in the night for my mother But she isn't coming back for me 'Cause she's already gone But you will not tell me that 'Cause you know it hurts me every time you say it And you know you're doing the right thing" it always makes me cry a lot when you decide to let the episodes of dementia or alzheimer continue cause the reality would be hurtful and its something that you have to make them go through more then once

[@Sephiroth144]

Yeah; I remember trying to correct my grandfather when he swore, SWORE, I was my father, and why was I lying to him... Those memories still discombobulate me.

[@alexdifilippo6820]

I like the detail of "GRAND HOTEL" being glitched to "GRNAD HETOL", showing that the little details kind of become lost as it all replays

[@jo0rd73]

Yep along with all the blank and covered faces of people she doesn’t remember. Hits me every time, the more you look into the finer details the sadder it becomes. Such a masterful piece of storytelling this episode is.

[@mercersworld1040]

What's really sad about the last part, is that because Bojack's mom never had any real ice cream (just lemon and sugar), when he mentions that bit to her she snaps out of the illusion. She then decides to embrace it, go along with it because that's all she's got left.

[@toddjh]

She's had ice cream. We even see her eating some in The Old Sugarman Place.

[@lawnmowerdude]

I’m sure she had ice cream later lol.

[@alexm2528]

That's....a stretch. Just because it never happened on screen doesn't mean she never had ice cream. You have no proof of this.

[@jenyjen94]

@@alexm2528 no proof, but its a theory. her mom and even dad kept talking about her weight. she took "thin pills" as young adult, she fed them to hollyhock even with dementia, because being skinny was a must. so its a theory she never had icecream even in her later years

[@محمدرضاپهلوی-ذ7ع]

I think when she was an adult she probably had some ice cream

[@Blue3lephant]

This show reduces everybody to tears at some point. No shame in that. This is a very hard hitting episode, even if I can't relate to Bojack here. It makes me appreciate my relationship with my mom so much more.

[@alondob]

True. I cried the first time I saw it. It hit really close to home when you think about how the people you know have experienced pain and trauma and then it affects you.

[@CatCubed]

I think for me, it was the second half of the last season, I don't think I stopped crying while watching it lol

[@cloudy772]

I’ve watched the show at least 10-15 times and even still like 1/4 of the episodes are capable of bringing me to tears every time I watch them

[@MishaHusnainAli]

Yeah, this is a heavy one. Take care of your mental health as well, ladies. Some of these episodes can be really hard to watch.

[@Embusterito]

The line " Your sickness has infected everything" has so much power. Because it is literally because of this events in her life that Bojack turns out how he does and keeps spreading the poison. The writing on this show amazes me everytime i rewatch it.

[@christopherscotts5797]

"Especially your baby"

[@alonsofonseca-px9ob]

@@christopherscotts5797holy shit

[@quinintheclouds]

@@christopherscotts5797 OH

[@chrisgreen8803]

All those people at her ball… Faceless. Dementia means she can’t remember their facial features. And then Henrietta, her face is drawn scratched out. Clever way to animate them for this episode

[@OTWTRAPP]

It's because she tries to forget about Henrietta but doesn't want to at the same time cus she keeps going through the memories of her hell

[@Steelburgh]

Apparently the script called for Henrietta to have a face but the animators took it a different direction and they loved it. The animation team had so much creative input into this series (plus all the visual background jokes were wholly theirs).

[@cynic1984]

I find the way Abi laughs as a last attempt before crying very relatable. I often find myself laughing when I fell like crying. This does get people mad at me, because it looks like I am making light of what is happing to them. So seeing her laugh as a reflex was relatable.

[@abi_corinne]

I 100% relate to this. My family would get annoyed with me when I laughed. It is a reflex and a lot of people don’t get it or try to understand at first. They just think I’m rude or insensitive 😔 for me it’s an outlet for my anxiety

[@i_so_late]

This show helps me not take for granted the loving parents I have, there are so many issues that this show tackles, and I'm lucky enough that the complicated parental relationships are one of the few aspects I can't relate too. I can relate to the crippling depression and loneliness and self-hatred and suicidal tendencies and other things, but not this. We all have our own unique struggles and problems and I think that's interesting.

[@code8825]

Seriously one of the best episodes of all time. Not just of bojack, just.. in general. I dunno, this episode was crazy, it really affected me the first time I watched it, and it still affects me every time I see it. You spend so much time hating bojack’s mum, and this episode really just….. dang, dude. Edit: obviously she was still a terrible mother to Bojack. But seeing what his mother went through does make you still sympathize her, after feeling for a long time that you couldn’t.

[@ri3121]

Id say there are some upcoming episodes that are even better but this is definitely top 5 for me

[@OTWTRAPP]

@@ri3121 well I wouldn't say that but ok

[@phantom2450]

This episode is my favorite of the series for a bunch of reasons: - the capability of the writers to take Beatrice, a character until now we’ve come to universally hate, and not only humanize her but make her descent understandable - highlighting the cycle of abuse, which if anything can be seen as a thesis to BoJack as a show. Beatrice, it turns out, is both a victim and a perpetrator just as much as BoJack is; our innate good nature can be corrupted by dark forces in the world and we could end up pushing that darkness on others. It’s our struggle in life to break this cycle as best we can. We see that Beatrice failed at that, and BoJack’s continual struggle with it is the core of the show. - the show’s brilliant use of visual cues as a way to illustrate Beatrice’s mental decline - the entire emotional ordeal of that last two minutes. Was Beatrice lying? Was BoJack? Did they both put aside their sordid history, all the bad blood on their shoulders, to be kind to one another? A perfect climax to the build-up of how damaged they are, and one of the only two moments I’d personally cried watching the show. We’ve still got a lot of great stuff to look forward to, but to me this is the pinnacle.

[@phousefilms]

Bojack put aside his anger towards her in that moment, when he had always wanted to tell her off when she remembered him. Beatrice lied as well, as she had never tasted ice cream before because of her parents, which is why she hesitates before she says its "delicious".

[@artistfloor9]

Beatrice had mixed motivations for taking Hollyhock away from Henrietta. On one hand, she was empathetic. She seemed genuine when she said she didn't want Henrietta to make the same mistake she made. She wanted Henrietta to achieve her goals and not spend the rest of her life resenting her own child. On the other hand, she was cruel. She took Hollyhock away the same way her father took her doll away, almost as a form of punishment. She told Henrietta it was wrong to get attached. Love does terrible things to a person, after all. Was it ultimately for the best? Who can really say.

[@shamelesscoffee]

Just a thought rant. I do think people that watch reactions to series' tend to be lonely people. For the most part, people who watch reactions, have already seen what the people are reacting to. They come for the sense of being in a group or being around friends, for the reactor's personalities and to hear their thoughts on it. I think a lot of people are attracted to your girls' channel because there's so much good energy in your videos. It's the kind of charisma that draws people in. I'm probably not the only person who has been in a dark situation, and the only thing that kept me going to the next day, or the next week was seeing the next episode to something. Not to pressure anyone, but I think that's definitely happened for some people, and they kept going for "one more week" until they finally found their footing again. When I first started college in a different city, away from all my friends and I didn't know anyone, reaction videos undoubtedly made me feel less alone. Anyway, great reaction! I'm looking forward to the next one, and the finale in particular. Even now I feel like the creator of Bojack is one of the few people that truly understands depression.

[@Jackson-jd1um]

This attacked me more then I deserved

[@lauren3054]

Okay damn, had to pause and reflect for a bit after reading your first two sentences lmao

[@coldbattery]

you should try the haunting of hillhouse. the director understands depression, and the characters are relatable

[@Karanthaneos]

There are things I love, I wish I was able to experience them for the first time again, but that's not possible. Watching people go through what I did is a form for me to capture that feeling once again through their eyes. It's that feeling of discovering something new that's so incredible and fascinating. We tend to experience this feeling quite often, but we have to remember that there will always be a chance to get surprised by something and experience it for the first time.

[@Nr4747]

I definitely think that loneliness can be a reason to enjoy reaction videos, but I don't think it has to. I'm not a very lonely person but I still get curious what other people might think about certain media I enjoy, especially if my friends, family and girlfriend don't share those interests. Yes, it somewhat substitutes discussions about that media with friends etc., but not neccessarily because of loneliness but simply because of differing personal interests.

[@Price_of_Fame]

My favorite TV episode of all time, so glad to see you guys get here finally!

[@BryMartinezV]

This season firmly cemented Bojack Horseman as one of my favourite shows of all time. Such a beautiful, sad story.

[@Waltonruler5]

There's a lot to unpack from this episode. Bojack's mom recognizes Hollyhock, but thinks Bojack is Henrietta - Hollyhock's mom. She freaked out when Bojack threw her baby out the window. We think it's just random but she's reliving that past drama. Bojack wanted to wait for his mom to recognize him, so he could tell her off. Instead, he comforts her. He tells her she's having ice cream and she says it's delicious. Easy for us to think she's reliving a memory, but she never got to have ice cream. She was told to put some sugar on a lemon. She's imagining an experience she never got to have.

[@Ryuksgelus]

Funny if she was so damage she never ate any during the honeymoon phase with Butterscotch or later in life....well not funny but interesting. I also hope off-camera Bojack did pay people to make her life comfortable....or did he switch her to a better place period. I don't remember?

[@zubaba]

You may not want to, but if you rewatch this season after what you learn here makes every interaction between Bojack and Beatrice so much more profound. The writers of this show snuck in so much that sounded one way but meant something else. Thanks for sharing your reactions to this episode, know that your openness is helpful to others to see.

[@simonbrunner3062]

The luxury of having a character with Alzheimer's is that you can put big chunks of foreshadowing in her lines, and no one will think long enough about what she says to pick up on it. Just go back one episode: "Where's the girl?" "She's gone." "Oh, right, I put her away, didn't I?"

[@TheJokerAkaCirque]

Joseph Sugarman, ladies and gentlemen. Possibly the actual worst person in a show full of them.

[@MaxMXCrafter]

And even he , is just a product of his generation.

[@JesusPerez-pe8vk]

@@MaxMXCrafter exactly, i think that's the bigger idea

[@canxtanwe]

@@MaxMXCrafter no he is just an asshole. stop excusing shitty people by saying “just a product of his generation” it just lightens peoples terrible actions

[@allysoncurtis4732]

@@MaxMXCrafter I think that fact makes it even more terrifying

[@patrickwsu]

Vance Waggoner is pretty bad too.

[@xavvi]

Damn, what a fantastic post-episode discussion. Raw and honest and very admirable. It's not easy to be vulnerable and especially not to an audience of this size but as was touched upon in your discussion we often don't realize how much we have in common with our pains and traumas until they're said out loud. Thanks for saying it out loud.

[@alondob]

This is the first Bojack episode that brought me to tears. Like how does an animated show bring out this much emotion?

[@nesso.9944]

Im a young black girl whose mother is very flawed in ways that are similar but less extreme to Beatrice. Your discussion at the end of this episode was so healing to hear. My mom never talks about her past, so ive had to infer things from my dad and from grandparents about why she's the way that she is, and generational trauma is just so real. Thank you for talking about your lives and crying it out and supporting each other. You guys are so awesome!

[@babatundejones52]

Fun fact: at the end, Beatrice had a pause because she's never had sweets. All she could eat was a lemon for sweets.

[@punkgrl325]

She had an ice cream bar the night she went out with her mom, but I imagine ice cream overall was too traumatic for her to enjoy afterwards. Not to mention, how she was always obsessed with maintaining her figure due to her father and the constant bullying she went through.

[@michaelandrews117]

The best (worst?) thing about reactions to this episode? Everyone's faces at the end of it. Everyone just looks devastated. It's such an affective piece of art.

[@josecolin3011]

I was really holding it together until Imon said it's okay to Abbi and she started to cry during the discussion 🥲🥲🤧

[@Kaemonarch]

I always felt like the "lake house at Michigan illusion" gets broken when BoJack tells Beatrice that they are having vanilla icecream. She never had icecream (that's not a healthy girl's snack afterall!); just that one popsicle on that after-the-war party where her mother went kinda crazy... When BoJack tells her they are having "vanilla Icecream", you can see "something" in Beatrice's eyes... she breaks a little out of the illusion and takes a while to answer trying to describe its flavor... because she doesn't know it. Also, not show in this KZbin video, when we see what's inside BoJack's fridge on this memory-thing from Beatrice, we just see sugar and lemons... probably because the fridge was full of sweet and yummy stuff and "some sugar on top of a lemon" was as sweet as Beatrice ever knew... :-s

[@jo0rd73]

My mom passed away two years back and this episode really hit me. She didn’t have dementia etc…but was in and out of hospital multiple times a year a for lung problems. A year before she passed we were told multiple times she was close to death and she was on so many meds and her brain was oxygen deprived that she fell into these delusions. My family saw most of it but I’ll never forget the day I visited her and she thought I was my brother and asked why did I break the vase (my brother broke a vase at a house party about 20 years back and there was some drama surrounding that). It destroyed me for a bit it was like she had forgotten who I was and she couldn’t recognise me as who I am. I’m so glad that she recovered that time and we got to spend more time with her as her usual self before she finally passed. I have so much sympathy for those who have lost a loved one and have gone through this for an extended period of time. It just has me so worried for the future that more than likely I’ll also have to experience this. I wish the world wasn’t as divided as it is, every single one of us are hurting and dealing with very tough situations and I don’t think we pay enough attention to the pain of others and we definitely don’t cherish people enough when they’re still here. You really don’t know what you have until it’s gone.

[@citizenerased1439]

I loved your reaction and your openness. ❤️ This is one of the hardest episodes. Isn’t it amazing that a cartoon about talking animals is so incredibly deep and moving? This show is such an unexpected surprise (in both beautiful and devastating ways).

[@yllowturtl]

Love the analysis, I never thought about the fall she had and all the pills she drank since childhood.

[@ChrisDixon__]

What an open and therapeutic discussion. I feel I wanted to randomly express my thoughts on the growth & upgrades of your channel and overall admiration for what you do. From the camera quality to the lighting, to the audio. The setup, the mic audio is clear and adjusted, perfect for listening to discussions. The upgrades in equipment are great. The camera quality is nice, the lighting (ring light? softbox?) is toned, complements both of your complexions, make Abi’s lip gloss and detail in her tats/ink visible pop, and the waves in Imon’s hair are more noticeable. Whether stylishly dressed-up or chill casual, and I have to mention both of y’all glow up 😍, always been gorgeous but recent years just added more ~chefs kiss~ glowing 🥰 I've been currently binge-watching your _Hunter x Hunter_ and _My Hero Academia_ reactions for the second time. Imon, your hard work & time is noticed, respected, and appreciated. You two have been my favorite reactors for several animes, I’ve always enjoyed your reactions but only started really commenting once your _Legend of Korra_ reactions started. With that, I choose to only contribute to the comments section if I have something genuine & kind, informative, share thoughts on an episode as it progresses, or pointing out something I love. Your reactions over the years have brought joy for me through some low points at times, through laughter and honesty - thank you. The beauty of the internet (“who would’ve thunk” like Abi says). I appreciate y’all being open. Both of you acknowledging & discussing the lingering effects of toxic patterns and how it can bridge onto family and in ones own habits is special because-as you’ve both expressed-knowing this and being aware, and choosing to break that cycle. That in itself creates a big shift. I admire you as mothers, women, and I am happy you both have each other as support. Sending love & light to you both, Imon and Abi. ✨

[@ImonSnow]

Thank you so much for this comment. It means more than you know

[@ChrisDixon__]

@@ImonSnow You're very much welcome. 💜💜

[@renatodiaz6512]

Imon physically soothing Abi to give her a safe place and allow her to cry was such a beautiful and touching (pun intended) moment, I even teared up myself ❤️

[@margaretmcfarland793]

This episode did an amazing job showing how and why Beatrice turned out the way she did and it made me feel bad for her. It doesn't excuse the bad things she's done, much like how Bojack's traumas don't excuse some of the terrible things he's done, but I like that we get to truly see her and understand her. This episode also made me think about how me and siblings were raised, how our parents and other family members were raised as well and how their traumas were passed down from generation to generation. And like you guys said, we're all victims and we're trying to do the best we can with what we got, or what we're willing to take. I'm glad the US's attitude towards mental health and coping mechanisms is changing; it's slow but it feels like it's going in a better direction. And thank you for sharing your lives, stories, and feelings with us viewers. Please don't feel embarrassed at all.

[@blade3430]

Ugh your discussions are always so genuine and refreshing

[@PassiveSmoking]

:Your sickness has infected everything: What a line

[@SessVlogs]

Aw shit, it’s time. One of the most perfect episodes of television ever made.

[@TheKnicks2012]

Jesus, if I were to rewatch Bojack now, I’d be so heartbroken. I see HEAVY similarities to the way my parents are or at least their upbringing and how they pass down all their trauma, mentalities, and old lifestyle and how they do not understand how it affects the family. Great reaction and also discussion!

[@diegoayala900]

Throughout all the season he was waiting for the moment that his mother was conscious, the moment where her dementia would leave her enough minutes for him to scream in her face all the damage that she had caused him for so many years, all season surely fantasizing about a moment like that, surely he even had all the words already chosen. But when the moment finally comes, she is in a wheelchair, she recognizes him and is relatively aware of reality, he just can't, and he takes pity on the woman who brought him into the world but also harmed him for years. Love this episode ❤

[@rosshall6475]

If i could like this ten times I would. This show is powerful and I really appreciate that you share your experiences and feelings so openly with the rest of us. You two are awesome

[@theGreenGoblin]

Easily one of the top 3 episodes. Her memories are so sporadic and fragmented. It’s a tragic interpretation of how Alzheimer’s takes away everything. 🥲

[@Steelburgh]

My grandmother just passed away after a long bout with Alzheimer's. This episode terrifies me. The thought that people you love are going through something like this is just awful and makes you feel so impotent.

[@riley8385]

I saw this episode a few weeks after my grandmother passed away. In her last days she suffered from a severe dementia because the secretions of her liber were eating away her brain. This episode made me cry like a baby.

[@KeangoDLuke]

Y'all are amazing. Thanks for sharing your stories. Bojack reactions with you guys is like a massive therapy session, gets you to think of stuff in your life you've been ignoring or putting away.

[@phousefilms]

This is one of the greatest episodes of the show, though the penultimate episode for each season is pretty great each time. -Bojack puts aside the anger and vitriol he was going to give his mother when she remembered him, instead giving her a comforting story about their former home(which has since been destroyed). -She calls Bojack "a waste of my husbands jism", but it was because she was talking to Henrietta -Bojack throwing away the doll made her relive her things(especially her "baby")being burned after she had scarlet fever -Beatrice never tasted ice cream, which is why the illusion was partially shattered when Bojack told her about the lake house, which is why she hesitates before she calls it "delicious".

[@Kaemonarch]

The slide wasn't that high up. We are seeing it from the perspective/memory of a little girl. To small kids, small slides look huge and what not. Also, it may been sightly damaged, but definetively not as bent as the one she pictures/remembers.

[@espresso574]

This episode hurt the most for me. My dad went through pretty severe dementia near the end of his life and this episode portrayed it so accurately. It was heartbreaking to watch the first time around. That last scene, when they were talking about the ice cream, was too real. We would tell my Dad similar things about where he was and wasn't at when he got confused. He wouldn't necessarily believe us, but he couldn't imagine an alternative either. It was just a reluctant acceptance of a reality that he wasn't able to interpret or see. Thanks for reacting to this, it hurts, but it's also one of my favorite episodes.

[@squidit96]

I watched this show through so many times but it wasn’t until recently that I noticed the saturation change during her conversation in the park with Corbin Creamerman. The colors are more muted at the beginning, and become brighter as she realizes the two of them aren’t that different, and could start to see a relationship with him.

[@unclebobboomergames]

I grew up in a Mexican...very traditional family. They didn't understand mental health. And the eldest of my generation fell prey to their ignorance to where its destroyed his life and has gone to affect his kids through way if his drug abuse. And my younger cousin fell prey to the same things with his bi polar and adhd that made success in school hard undiagnosed and through drug abuse he's going going same way. And it makes me realize that without knowing I was very close to falling down the same road. But I managed my way out. But I was very close to not. But it helps when you see it from the outside. Even on you. And realizing it and doing the best you can to not carry it forewad. Like with crying. I try to teach my son not to cry out of whining or disappointment in certain nonsense things. But I try to never discourage him from crying when he's sad or upset. Or angry. Or...he's four so it hasn't happened yet...but out of happiness. I want him to be able to express himself in a way that I was discouraged from and caused a lot of pain growing up (also LSD is beautiful and has helped reflect as our hosts have pointed to)

[@DI-QueenmoEMino]

Honestly, this episode of Bojack-horseman is one of my favorites for so many reasons. Mainly because this episode is such a good example of generational trauma and really shows how abusive behaviors or mindsets can be passed down from one generation to the next, & unfortunately it can be a endless cycle sometimes. If ya'll thought that this episode was emotional and a tearjerker just wait until you both get into the even more heavier also more messed up stuff within this series.

[@andyzhang7890]

Man this channel is a gold mine, love the structure of the reaction + personal introspection/ discussion. It's been really therapeutic, thank you guys.

[@laytone_on_one]

He killed the illusion for his mother when he brought up the ice cream because when she was younger her father wouldn't let her eat it. She dosent know how it tastes

[@Andrew-ht7rf]

that's too much man

[@Cirac1]

At the end, she naps out of it into a moment of clarity when Bojack mentions that she's eating icecream, because she'd never had it as she grew up being told women didnt get icecream.

[@margaretmcfarland793]

Amazing reaction, you guys. This was the episode I was waiting for; one of my top favorite episodes of this whole series.

[@jorgesblog8017]

For sure one of the most outstanding performances in an animated show.

[@toddchavez8274]

LOVE YOU GALS!!! Thank you for sharing some of your vulnerabilities with us. Crazy how at the first sign of simple genuine acknowledgement Bojack just stops in his tracks, sees her for how she really is - old and vulnerable - and shows kindness her. As far as my interpretation of the events from Bea's perspective goes, I think one moment she's in the present, another she's in the past, and sometimes she's in between. Not a loop. Alzheimers sucks.

[@caseyrau]

One of the most heartbreaking things about the last scene is that BoJack DOES NOT forgive Beatrice - he still resents her with every fiber of his being, he doesn’t understand her childhood trauma, he doesn’t know what she’s suffering in her dementia - but for maybe the first time in the show, he does a kindness for kindness’s sake.

[@He11raiser01]

My favorite episode is coming soon guys, I’m excited!

[@irem1888]

I'm as damaged as Bojack, brought up in a bad family. And unfortunately, just like Bojack's mother, my mother is damaged. I can't be mad at her because she has no one to support her, to listen to her. So who is to blame for me being like this? I do not know. It's hard to find the culprit. We pay the price for the damage of the previous generation. Thats all. We want our families to be good people. This is the most natural impulse. But when you learn that they are not a mother and father, but a simple person, it is easier to continue on the road with the damage you have taken. This show taught me that. In the end we all messed up. I love u girls. This video is a pure emotion.

[@Rob749s]

This is a stunning example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Everyone likes to think they know what's best for everyone.

[@sdaniels160]

I've been anticipating you two getting to this revealing episode. It ties a lot of things together. I didn't expect tears.

[@Steelburgh]

Joseph Sugarman was truly a monster.

[@foamingclean596]

I mean, the point of the episode is kind of that no one is a monster?

[@MegaGamer1006]

@@foamingclean596 nope. Joseph Sugarman is a monster. He is a product of the generation he was raised in (as is Beatrice and BoJack) but his actions and his words caused unspeakable damage on his family, his children and even his grandchildren. He is arguably the most horrible character in the show.

[@TheJokerAkaCirque]

@@MegaGamer1006 i agree but to play devil's advocate: Beatrice appears a monster until you know what it was like growing up under Joseph and her other life influences that made her the way she is. Who's to say there wasn't someone else whose horrible actions shaped Joseph? Buuut it's also possible that the rot just started with him.

[@cynic1984]

None, just like how Bojack is a monster for what he put others through. They are all victims and they are all monsters........ this show is depressing.

[@artistfloor9]

@@TheJokerAkaCirque Exactly. Every monster has a backstory. It doesn't excuse their actions, but it does explain why they are the way they are. We are all product of our environment. It's very rare for someone to just be "born bad." We can sympathize with what Beatrice has been through while still condemning her for being a horribly abusive mother. The same can be applied to Bojack, and it could also probably be applied to his father and grandfather if we got to see their backstories.

[@crazysuicid]

she tastes how "delicious" the vanilla icecream is from bojacks story at the end, but she's never had it before

[@dafty9159]

Idk if you´re gonna see this, but I'm really glad you guys react to this show, you two are very emotionally inteligent and understand the themes they tackle in this series. The discussion after the reaction video is what I love to hear the most, always very insightful and personal, which I love

[@IcedEarth426]

I'm willing to bet that many of the awful things that Beatrice's dad said and believed in were things that were taught to him by his own parents. The show is a perfect picture of generational trauma and how it ripples through the family lines. It doesn't excuse any of the awful things that anyone does, but it highlights the fact that we have to be cognizant of the fucked up things we've picked up from our parents and try to break those cycles.

[@DominickvdHoff]

wow this was a great reaction, thank you guys for sharing your experience like this and being so open.

[@jerryhayes9497]

Superb episode in so many ways. Calls back to an earlier episode where bojack says to Hollyhock he's waiting for an opportunity, when his mother recognises who he is, to tell her " F&@k you mum!!" And at the end of this episode, here is his opportunity And he can't do it. Instead, he paints a nice picture for her. Bojack has done some awful stuff, but he's not some heartless monster. We know he has the capacity to be a better person

[@jakehasaproblem]

what really gets me about the ending is that while we saw Beatrice's life essentially flash before her eyes, Bojack does this right after learning about what happened with Hollyhock. the amount of restraint he shows here, a place where he's away from cameras where he can say whatever he wants to her, but doesnt

[@sukhnoorkaur]

I was waiting for this reaction for long and I haven’t watched it yet and I don’t know if I have the courage to press play and watch y’all go through it😭😭 Idek how it had/would impact you but uffffff here it goes.. (UPDATE) I loved your discussion ♥️ I cried with you and honestly it calmed me down. You both are beautiful people. I love that Bojack has this effect on people to start these discussions and go deep into ourselves and address our own grief/trauma etc. idk how to type everything that I’m feeling rn But I loved it Also fuckkk Joseph Sugarman

[@claireteaspeaks461]

probably my favorite episode of any show ever. the evolution of how we perceive Bojack’s mom is just really well done

[@nessew7835]

Thank you for being so open and talking about the struggles in life

[@runelucapreisler9690]

Thank you for being so open and vulnerable! ❤❤

[@user-ug5fd4xf7h]

this episode Beatrice in general always reminds me of my grandmother her brother died in ww2 and she was so spiteful. she died years ago my Mother and her never really buried things I just wonder sometimes was this how it was at the end was this her story I don't know.

[@partycitydumpster]

_"Your sickness has infected everything."_

[@dominque4180]

Please forgive me if this sounds repetitive (if someone has already said this in the comments), but I would like to say thank you! Thank you both for being as transparent as you both were and sharing each of your experiences growing up in youth and now as adults. Thank you both for creating this space where we aren't ridiculed for having or experiencing trauma and seeing it as that rather than push it away or sweep it under a rug. Thank you both!!! You both didn't have to share this with us (and please remember that by all means share whatever you both feel comfortable with sharing regardless of what anyone else says), but y'all did. Y'all became vulnerable with us and in return I became vulnerable with/to myself. Thank you beautiful ladies, and please take care of yourselves. Whether that be time away from KZbin, meditation, whatever is healthy for you both. Much Love!

[@matthewfortuna3443]

View from halfway down Free churo Time’s Arrow ^ heart crushing perfect episodes

[@Schmidteren]

One of the best episodes of the show.

[@NaruSakuIsLovez]

Yeah this episode always hits hard.. there is really good analyze for the episode that I really recommend to watch "time's arrow the tolls of trauma" by Johnny 2 Cellos.

[@euankrasniqi5457]

Can't wait for your guys reaction to "Free Churro" and "The View From Halfway Down" (my two favourite BH episodes ever)

[@joshwilliams5860]

even just watching the reaction, i started crying

[@WildHeart7777]

This was a beautiful reaction to a wonderfully sad piece of art. Big hugs ❤️❤️❤️

[@numbah16]

I really appreciate your discussion afterwards.

[@Nel_Annette]

This is my favorite episode of the series.

[@Nitzah]

So this episode is meant to be more of a visualization of Alzheimer’s and Dimensia. For example my Great Grandma often thinks she’s like 16 but decades also somewhat blur. It’s because while often short term memory loss is noticeable, the confusion is because as more recent memories get muddled and eventually forgotten, the person tends to think based on what they do remember is that they are in that time period of their life. So on the drive to the Nursing Home she’s slipping between points of time, that’s why she was confusing Bojack for Henrietta. In those points of her life, it made more sense for Henrietta to be there, which is also part of why again back to my Great Grandma, she would confuse my Grandma for her sister. People and your sense of time are displaced and muddled all together and why it can be distressing when at the same they can’t hold onto the current memory of now current things become confusing and scary. It’s not impossible to explain in the earlier stages, because that’s still a thinking functioning person, but it gets harder as the disease progresses. Timelines and your sense in time get all switched around, things are remembered somewhat off or this one thing that happened 20 years ago seems to be right next to or bleeding into what also happened 40 years ago. If this sounds confusing aside from me sucking at explaining it’s because confusion and loss off so much as you try to make sense of what you’re still able to remember is the jist of Alzheimer’s. It’s scary and sad,but with proper care can be managed and help them feel like frightened by their current reality, and what is happening to them. Now with Beatrice she had an entire life of trauma and pain so while she had her way of coping when her mind was there (even though by her actions wasn’t good coping mechanism in any sense already), now that she’s jumping back and forth between these decades it’s all very much real again. It’s beyond already hard flashbacks trauma survivors face in that she to her sense of reality is actually living in these points. However Bojack taking a moment to give her a nice scene to remember, while she might never completely know is more powerful on both helping Beatrice feel less frightened and him not going for vengeance against her like he wanted.

[@snaggletooth994]

there is a meme of Jesse Pinkman laughing and watching the first chapters of Bojack Horseman, the next frame comes out Jesse crying ... several times I found myself in that situation when watching this program

[@Naahi95]

I've never seen it but I can already imagine it and it fits so well, especially cause Aaron plays Todd too 🧡

[@primepm8861]

Nice call on the tissues. This one broke me especially. Had to take a timeout after this episode.

[@Serryy]

Beatrice thinking that Bojack is Beatrice because hes with Hollyhock. Everything makes sense if you go back watching the previous episodes. What a fantastic show. And i know you know this, but dont feel bad for crying. This episode specifically brings a lot of people to tears. Edit: Just because i see a lot of hate for Joseph Sugarman (which is warranted ofc). A lot of people analyze correctly that Beatrice gives the wrong lessons and hate she learned to Bojack. They forget that Joseph also grew up in a society where he got taught to repress feelings and he most likely got taught that a womans worth is only physically. Hes a horrible person just like Beatrice and Bojack, but theres most likely a reason behind that.

[@sabalos]

The thing is though, Beatrice's terrible father and horrible upbringing and no good very bad husband don't excuse all the awful shit she did. I think a lot of people, when they watch this show, seem to want to side with one character or another - to puzzle out whose 'fault' everything can be traced back to and solve the show. Lots of people go to great lengths to try and excuse all the awful shit Bojack does, for example ('with his parents he never had a chance!' etc, which is true, but..), and after this episode many people do the same for Beatrice. I mean, the show's about a lot of things, but I think maybe the one biggest through-line is the idea that we are responsible for the things we do. A bad upbringing or bad family life can be the reason you do something, but not an excuse for it. Your choice is still the same every day - give in, and repeat the actions and cycles of behaviour that people have done to you to others/yourself, or acknowledge that even though those things happened you , it's your ability and responsibility to choose differently. Beatrice and Bojack both had no help at all in their upbringings, but they both still had the option of trying to be better, and by and large failed. Not that it's easy; I know I don't do it either. Hard disagree on your comment that no one's really alone, by the way. I don't see any real future where I'm not just alone. But I'm glad you guys are doing better than you were in the past.

[@bryceswinson8736]

ahh yes , i forgot these were uploaded on wednesday , now i’m exciteeed 🥳

[@forestgrump4723]

You gotta heal yourself because if you don’t heal what hurt you you’ll bleed on people that didn’t cut you

[@KoreJoestar24]

in a way, this is one of my favorite episodes and I realise how similar Beatrice and I are, I kinda have a mom like her dad except sugarman makes my mom look like a role model mother

[@Salocinist]

This show is quite a kick is the stomach. A very good kick, great form. But yeah, a kick in the stomach. Lots of love and strength for whatever you're going through

[@noahhhhhh8392]

holy shit this showwwww. i cried so hard in the birth scene you earned a new subscriber :)

[@vladvlad11299]

Just finished season 4 too . Absolutely devastating episode .

[@KayaaaaDe]

Henrietta's first appearance was too spooky for me. And the way she started humming right after. I kept re-watching that scene cus it was too good.

[@simonbrunner3062]

If you do get around to rewatch the episode, do yourselves a favour and rewatch the entire season along with it. There's so much of a rewatch bonus in every scene with Bojack's mother. Everything she says will make so much more sense now that you know Hollyhock's backstory and that she and Beatrix go way back.

[@Collsy100]

Funny thing about the painting Beatrice inherits from her dad and gives to BoJack: When Sarah Lynn was first introduced in season 1 and threw that party at BoJack’s place, someone drilled a hole through the wall and the blue horse’s head. It was foreshadowing Honey’s story. The blue to symbolizes her depression from the death of Crackerjack, and the drilling through the forehead is in the same spot as Honey’s lobotomy scar. Also, the way you guys pointed out how alike Honey and BoJack are-generational trauma being passed from what happened between Beatrice’s parents passed down to her passed down to BoJack, who has no hope of understanding the significance of any of it. The painting wasn’t literally of Honey, but it was symbolic of her story to come.

[@genoswest7253]

Another thing is that when Beatrice was talking hollyhock away from Henrietta, a part of her was putting Henrietta in the same situation of with how her baby doll was taken away as a child, and I think this was done subconsciously. I don’t think Beatrice was aware of what she was doing, like she herself didn’t even realize her intentions weren’t fully pure, I think a part of it was also that she didn’t want to suffer alone.

[@oyey-razona9489]

Your reactions are AWESOME!!! congratulations

[@leafblade3T9]

some things you said remind me of the netflix show The Midnight Gospel. worth a watch.