A SISTER!? Bojack Horseman 4x11 Reaction

A SISTER!? Bojack Horseman 4x11 Reaction | Review & Commentary ✨

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@EversPrimeTime 8 ай бұрын

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@Dez861 8 ай бұрын

The episode actually fully answers the question of why Bea is the way she is. It just doesn't do it outright. When she's a young woman, she's able to see her father as the awful, abusive, sexist cad that he is. She rebels against him, and her ultimate act of rebellion is Butterscotch. After they get married, and her husband fails to provide her with the life he told her they'd have, she recontexualizes her father's abuse as "love" and "righteousness." In other words, she starts to think; "If I had listened to Daddy and married the nice young man he picked out for me, I'd be fine."

@roo1014 8 ай бұрын

Butterscotch and Beatrice smile at BoJack right after he is born. It was the one and only time we saw them express genuine love and affection towards him, and he was just born and as a result, would never have any memory of that one happy moment between the three of them.

@chrisgreen8803 8 ай бұрын

It’s a brilliant episode… To quote Todd “Fuck man, what else is there to say?”

@jacquespaught 8 ай бұрын

The real scary question, if you ask me, is just how far does the "poison" go? BoJack is horrified that he's infecting Hollyhock, Beatrice infected BoJack, and Joseph infected Beatrice. What were Joseph's parents like to make him the way that he is? What about Butterscotch's parents? We're obviously all responsible for our own actions, but those actions are at least partially shaped by our upbringing, and that's a horrifyingly deep chain of behaviors when you really start to think about it.

@alternategender8471 8 ай бұрын

And I think one scary part is the individualization of The Self. So much of a person is shaped not only by their parents, but their peers, their idols, the community spaces they exist in and the expectations-- we can see it in our own families all the time. A slightly off-touch joke. Words that have fallen out of favor. Information that has been disproven but they keep on being misinformed because it’s always been what made the most sense to them. Eye rolls when new, really verified scientific facts are mentioned cause that’s not what clicks with their world view (cause it’s very narrow). How much would a helpful, honest and accepting community have helped literally anyone? If sexist class politics weren’t Josephs only frame of reference; if Beatrice didn’t feel everything was Expected of her regardless of her feelings; if bOJACK HAD MORE *POSITIVE* INFLUENCES and ENCOURAGEMENT THAT HE CAN CHANGE IF HE PUTS THE WORK IN (‘doing it every day is the hard part. But it does get easier. But you gotta do it, every day’ and ~some people~, need reminders to keep on top of these things). but alas. Good comment I just got hit with a brain blast of ideas reading it fjfgl.

@aaunyea4799 8 ай бұрын

Beatrice had so much promise in her life,even after the tragedy of her mother and father, but her trauma making her keep Bojack was her final undoing. Since she never dealt with her own trauma, it bleed into Bojack just continuing the cycle. Tale as old as time, her trying to stop the cycle with Henrietta was actually heart warming

@roo1014 8 ай бұрын

Probably the most likable thing Beatrice did, saved Hollyhock from the Hell BoJack went on to endure

@Olivetree80 8 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@AshoreNevermore 8 ай бұрын

Ngl, I absolutely cried when BoJack was comforting his mother. I thought she was going to pass away during the conversation. But it's still brutal, even without that.

@roo1014 8 ай бұрын

The cruel irony is Beatrice likely would have had a much happier life married to the man her evil father selected for her in lieu of the man she chose on her own terms

@testosterone912 8 ай бұрын

her father wasn’t evil what r u on about

@Karanthaneos 8 ай бұрын

@@testosterone912 Evil is a strong word, a product of his time and an asshole would be more realistically fitting, but he did tend to put his own choices over his daughters, and it was ultimately his controlling nature that lead Beatrice to make bad choices just to relieve the pressure of constantly being under his thumb

@aaunyea4799 8 ай бұрын

Less evil but a product of his time. By father standards, he wasn't all that bad for the times. Even when she ran off and had a baby with a bum, he gave her husband a high paying job he definitely wasn't qualified for.

@mizv4043 3 ай бұрын

He wasnt evil. He was ignorant and a man of his time. You can tell he realized he fucked up by having Honey lobotomized even though those were all the rage at the time and on the cutting edge of modern medicine at the time. He wanted good for his daughter. If he didnt he would have cut her off financially after she conceived Bojack but instead he continued to offer support to the point where he gave Butterscotch that 6 figure office job to support Bea and Bojack

@mizv4043 3 ай бұрын

@@Karanthaneos if she was constantly under his thumb he wouldnt have allowed her to go to university. I may get shit for this but she was kind of an idiot. Hell she rawdogged a guy she had just met who crashed her party to steal booze and didnt get the message when she found out he gave her a fake number and address. Shes also too selfish and stupid to be able to separate her resentment of butterscotch from bojack who was an innocent party in all of this.

@puppetpawss 3 ай бұрын

Something that I feel needs to be talked about a little, since I rarely see anybody bring it up: Throughout this episode, we often see Honey Sugarman (Beatrice's mom), while never actually getting to *see* her. In the beginning, when Beatrice contracted scarlet fever, we see her as a shadow when Joseph is screaming at her. During Beatrice's debutant ball, we see her as a very brief flash when Beatrice speaks about her, and we very briefly see her overshadowed silhouette being pulled to Joseph's side when Beatrice is about to start her dance. We see a quick flash of her at the piano when Beatrice is chastisting Bojack later in his life. And finally, we see her as a silhouette with nothing more visible of her besides her lobotomy scar when Joseph is traumatizing Beatrice after burning her baby doll. I honestly think it's such a sad concept to think about when you really do think about it. Beatrice's mother is there for her entire life, but she isn't actually "there". She'll always be a looming physical presence, but the real woman behind that proper 90s mother is long gone. And that's honestly just a mortifying and depressing situation to put a child like Beatrice in. Losing her older brother, and then immediately losing her mother, but never actually "losing" her mother, because her mother's empty, almost corpse-like shell still remains in her place.

@Schmidteren 8 ай бұрын

My fav episode of the show. Such a beautiful, haunting, mesmerizing rendition of such a horrible sickness and a interesting character.

@miguel-um2em 10 ай бұрын

Ive never made it through this episode without crying, lmao 😭

@EversPrimeTime 10 ай бұрын

Yeah...this one is pretty tough 🙃

@zenouskaramchunder 8 ай бұрын

This episode, as heart wrenching as it is, is so fantastic and brilliantly done. The portrayal of Beatrice forgetting memories is incredible, really seamless transitions between the various memories to show them mixing, and the best way it’s shown for me is through the painting in the back of the main room, as it transitions between the family portrait as a child vs the family portrait as an adult. Oh, and Will Arnett voices Butterscotch

@SuperDrocket 8 ай бұрын

I especially like how it recontextualizes the season. Once you see this episode and go back and rewatch the season., you realize that a lot of the stuff that Beatrice said that seemed like complete nonsense at the time actually sort of makes sense (in an addled dementia-ridden sort of way, where she's merging the past and the present.) Her calling Bojack Henrietta is the most obvious example, but especially a lot of the stuff in episode 6. Beatrice is basically dropping clues left and right about who Hollyhock actually is, they just don't make sense until you see this episode.

@zenouskaramchunder 8 ай бұрын

@@SuperDrocketI completely agree, it’s really cleverly done

@hvovkm 9 ай бұрын

Things you probably missed: 1. Bea never had ice-cream; she's confused when BJ asks if she can taste it but lies that it's delicious. 2. Henrietta we see is the projection of Bea's memory, and she probably doesn't want to remember her and hence the "scribble face". I'm weirdly scared of dementia or such conditions, as my life progresses 😬

@EversPrimeTime 8 ай бұрын

Ahh, thank you! I don't think it's weird to be scared of those conditions. Especially with how media depicts them...they're terrifying. Simply terrifying.

@uztre6789 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, the faces she doesn't remember are just blank. Henrietta's face is scribbled out so she actively tries to push the memory of her head

@testosterone912 8 ай бұрын

beatrice has tried vanilla ice cream the bad thing is when her mother almost killed her was the first and only time she tried it which is why she was like that

@treemu 8 ай бұрын

@@EversPrimeTime Another is the scene where they're burning Beatrice's things because of her sickness. She is a child in it so we would think it's scarlet fever they're talking about. But remember how every transition in the episode is her reading a book that says "X time later". And how they're burning books. It's her dementia, eating away at her memories, erasing details like faces of background characters or letters on signs. And she can only "watch" as her memories burn away and leave her detached from reality, mixing real time with her early life. I'd seen and talked to many people with dementia and never really understood how it works until I saw this episode and the comments on it and then it just clicked. It's a horrible thing to go through.

@MissFlow 6 ай бұрын

The thing with dementia is that it's a very slow developping disease, literally eating your brain away. It starts with the short term memories (codes, adresses, names even though you do remember faces etc). This is why even in an advanaced stadium, people can still recall very old memories, like what their childhood house looked like or the way to their school. Even some very early developed skills like playing piano are still there, because that's all that's left and is the last to get lost. Beatrice was desperate in her moment of confusion and anxiety. It is possible that at that moment all the sudden you do start to remember things. She recalls Bojack in that last bit of clarity, the one thing that was still familiar to her.

@Jessica-vv8yo 7 ай бұрын

The jingle for the commercial and the "save some for...these fellas" just pushes the point that woman ARE NOT supposed to have anything fattening and its something for men only (according to Butterscotch) 😂. He cant say save some for ME cause its not for Beatrice.

@Sailower 8 ай бұрын

One of my favorites episodes, the end just break my heart everytime I see it 😭

@CreativeName795 8 ай бұрын

Easily my favorite piece of media I've ever consumed, I've never had to take a moment and pause something to breathe but this episode did things to me when I first watched it and it's truly an experience I will never forget.

@walak6832 8 ай бұрын

Man this one hurts every times.. i love how instead of seeing all how it was we see how she remembers it, all the people at the bal with blank faces, Butterscotch begging to her saying "begging with my hat in hands" and a hat just pops in, or how the slide seemed so high to her as a kid, wow. I dont think Beatrice could have been happy except if she ended up on her own, her dad sent her to college to get married and she instead learned so many stuff and seemed legit interested in it, and in the end, like she said its all Bojack’s fault cause she couldnt stomach having an abortion and she stopped everything to became a mom, just hoping Bojack’s dream would be worth more than what she gave up, but she never cared too much for entertainment sadly.. this episode is just too good at making us feel for what until now just seemed like a monster almost. I loved this video, i totally agree spliting at least the last 2 of each season, i loved seeing you realise why everything seemed so weird with the hotels name lol and also the contrast with the opening of the video with your intro made me laugh a bit haha, amazing video as always, so excited for the next ✌️😁

@LA-xc4tc 6 ай бұрын

I was literally sobbing too.

@colinthecakeconnoisseur 2 ай бұрын

I love how in the end of this episode BoJack didn't do what he planned to do when she finally knew who he was and tell her off. He gave her 1 last moment of comfort and safety and understanding.

@MaxDaDwarf 8 ай бұрын

I can’t believe Beatrice at one point called Bojack (who she saw as Henrietta) “You worthless waste of my husbands jizzm” and nobody noticed it. I guess it’s the double interpretation

@soniaiboyako4023 4 ай бұрын

Bc ppl tend to think the worst of her and be wary that she might be faking, so that specific line tends to be interpreted as her kind of slipping up or whatever and then going back to calling him Henrietta just to play innocent - that's what i've gathered from most of the conversations i've had and reactions i've seen

@maxdon2001 3 ай бұрын

Great reaction! These episodes know how to hit!

@mizv4043 3 ай бұрын

the reason bea's father is burning her things is because it was very common to burn everything after a child contracted scaret fever. It was a way to make sure infection didnt spread.

@jerryhayes9497 8 ай бұрын

IM NOT CRYING, YOU'RE CRYING... 😭😭😭😭

@soniaiboyako4023 4 ай бұрын

"They're not really harping on that very much so it doesn't really seem like that's the *main* reason she's the way that she is"..... jeeze louise 😭 i think this might explain your take on Azula as well, among other things lmao

@FriendlyKitten 8 ай бұрын

!hug Billy-Joe! I know...

@jeffbrehove2614 8 ай бұрын

Do you think Eda could taste the ice cream?

@bgb411 3 ай бұрын

Beatrice learned to never get attached before she ever even had Bojack because her mother made her promise she would never love anything the way her mother loved her son. Add to that the fact that Beatrice had to burn her comfort doll due to having scarlet fever. She learned to detach. She has her moments of clarity. She knows she isnt a great mother, she knows Bojack is depressed just like she and his father are/were. She COULD have been a loving mother if she had different experiences that shaped her into a person who knows how to love. Look at how she treats that babydoll when she has dementia. Look at how she treated it before any of the traumatic things happened in her childhood. Mental health was a taboo subject when Beatrice was younger. Look at how they "handled" her mother's depression and grief. Getting help for her own depression wouldn't be an option and she would be afraid to get any help after what happened with her mother. Beatrice is easy to hate, but bless her heart....she never had much of a chance to be a decent, loving person growing up the way she did.

@periflores1002 8 ай бұрын

“Wooooow, shocking 🙄-*wait*. 🤔😯”

@AshoreNevermore 8 ай бұрын

You'll get this a lot, but note: Beatrice couldn't remember the ice cream. She wasn't allowed any. "Ice cream is for boys," after all. That probably broke her illusion right at the end.