Bold and Beautiful: Hope & Finn Cheat as Steffy’s Slapped by Karma?

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In the recent twists and turns of The Bold and the Beautiful, a love triangle is brewing between Hope Logan (Annika Noelle), John Finnegan (Tanner Novlan), and Steffy Forrester (Jacqueline MacInnes Wood).
The drama escalates as Hope, previously in a relationship with Thomas Forrester, is faced with the heartbreak of his proposal to Paris Buckingham (Diamond White). Meanwhile, Steffy, Thomas' sister, continues to fuel the fire by pushing Thomas away from Hope and towards Paris.
Despite the tension, Hope might find solace in an unexpected place - with Steffy's husband, Finn. Recent episodes show Finn offering support to Hope, raising eyebrows among viewers and characters alike. The two were found holding hands, sparking rumors of a potential affair. Could this be the beginning of a new love story or just a false alarm?
While Finn assures his mother, Li Finnegan (Naomi Matsuda), of his loyalty to Steffy, his actions with Hope hint otherwise. As the drama unfolds, Steffy and Finn are seen sharing a passionate kiss, which only adds fuel to the ongoing speculation.
As the storyline progresses, it remains to be seen whether Hope will move on from her past with Thomas and possibly find love with Finn, or if Steffy's interference will continue to affect her life. The coming episodes promise more drama, romance, and suspense in this complicated love triangle.
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[@sirichatman6888]

Nobody that gets married in that house stays married.

[@christinestarr2638]

The wedding will never take place; someone or something will stop it.

[@RonJulien-qj1ny]

Keep on telling your self that​@@christinestarr2638

[@Stephanie-qg5nd]

So true sick an tired of it

[@sherquettaingram2578]

Who will stop the wedding Thomas,Paris or Hope

[@DarleneSmith-t3e]

So true

[@lily-yanlee9277]

Hopeless Logan, the woman who said to Liam 'I don't want a man with a divided heart'. Even worse...Finn is a married man to Steffy!

[@reebutler9994]

You’re telling the truth I agree,

[@j.8095]

Right like what does she think Finn is going to do after they sleep together? She’s embarrassing herself. I’ll be glad when Steffy gets away from Finn and stay away from men for a loooong time. Take her kids and go.

[@sylviekeumajou2676]

Falling for somebody is one thing and acting on those feelings is another thing. Hope might or might not act on those feelings. Steffy might be the one who cheat.

[@darlinee2911]

Hope is like her Mother. Just pitiful

[@darlinee2911]

Hope is like her Mother. Just pitiful

[@ellahickman649]

Finn shouldn't be touching her at all so he just as the blame

[@denisewatson358]

This soap was made for everyone to sleep around in the same family

[@taroman7100]

Writers, You're idiots! You should all be fired.

[@patriciawilliams5924]

Don't let Finn and Hope get involved, Thomas will be back for her and they get back together

[@crosa6422]

Yuck! I hope they don’t do this but b&b ONLY writes cheating no chemistry between hope/finn or Thomas/paris. It’s gross. 🤮

[@tammyackerman2262]

I agree 💯%

[@wendycox9476]

I agree. This show is incestuous !! Thommo..Hope's step' brother !! She left Liam supposedly because he wasn't dedicated to her supposedly? So Now''. she wants Steph's next husband? Ohh please..that's just ridiculous...!!

[@helenl263]

Let me tell you Steffy will knock her right off that pedestal that Finn propped her up on😂😂😂😂😂😂 Getting my 🍿 for this

[@nancyhuffman4873]

@helen1263; 100% Agree; about time Steffy gets Karma. 😊😊😊😊

[@helenl263]

@@nancyhuffman4873 Steffy was not the one I was talkin about. I was talkin about Hope

[@nancyhuffman4873]

@@helenl263 ; Sorry about that; but I do hope that Steffy gets her Karma.

[@Nancy-br2ez]

🍿🍷me too!

[@elenawiley2050]

Finn is such a doofus. Telling Hope there will be a man for her, blah, blah, blah. all the while being totally oblivious to Hope's lust for him. These Logan women act they are the best thing, and Ridge and his father are such p----s. I don't like how the writers are making Steffy to be so awful, when Hope is the sneaky one. Brooke needs to tell Ridge that Hope has feelings for Finn. Ridge is so naive.

[@twils1132]

Exactly

[@CarolCamagwiniSilevu]

Hope is not sneaky...

[@bubblezzxxd15]

So he can do what exactly? If she wants him, she'll have him

[@j.8095]

@@CarolCamagwiniSilevuyes she is

[@tinaperryman895]

@@bubblezzxxd15 "IF" Finn wants her .right now he has no feelings for Hope in any romantic sense.

[@VanessaSanders-w2w]

If Hope do cheat with Finn it will caused ridge and Brooke problems

[@j.8095]

And she can kiss that line goodbye for sure then

[@reebutler9994]

That should have nothing to do with seeing what hope wanna get payback on Stephanie . Finn a grown man he already been warm . Hope that shouldn’t have anything to do with them cheating finn .got to want to do this cause he been told from two people.

[@rosemarywilkerson5742]

Brooke want Hope and Thomas together so that she will leave Finn alone

[@j.8095]

@@rosemarywilkerson5742 but why? Thomas and Finn aren’t the only men she could get. That’s why I don’t like her, you result to Thomas… then you result to a married man. She’s sick!

[@ttf_justhell3442]

Lol did y'all forget when Steff cheated on Finn with Liam 😂 Omg people Steff is the cheater 😂

[@wandanikita2340]

What is Hope's issues with marrying Thomas? She spends most of her time with him, sleeps with him and co- parents with him. That is a true commitment so why not marriage. That seems like the obvious next step in a relationship. What is Hope not ready for?

[@firstlast2414]

Because Thomas ticks all the boxes and she wants to love him but she just doesn't feel that way. She wants to give herself time to love him that way but it's unfair to expect him to wait. How she feels about Finn is how she wants to feel about Thomas, unfortunately the doctor is currently unavailable.

[@LucyLennon20]

maybe Hope is struggling with 'trust issues'.

[@suzie4211]

What exactly is considered the appropriate “time frame” to re-marry after a divorce.? She may not be ready to commit to having another child and the full time responsibilities that come with that.. just right now. It may be that Thomas’s need for a family.. is too soon for Hope to commit to.. right now. She’s already been a mother.. and a house wife. She may just want the romance and connection with someone for now. That’s what she wanted to continue with Thomas. She may just like the family unit she shares with Thomas and Douglas.. and that’s just enough right now for her. She didn’t say no to Thomas or a future with him.. she said no to the idea of another “marriage”.. “for now.”

[@LucyLennon20]

@@suzie4211 exactly, well said suzie 👐

[@GeorgiaKowlessar]

Hope says she needs more time. This is bull. how much time. Having a relationship with Thomas outside of marriage would be great if they wanted it. Thomas wants marriage. A split is the best resolution. For some reason Thomas is fine to sleep with but not commit to marrying him. Logans are superior?

[@bigshotz1240]

Paris and Thomas doesn’t really work. Hope and Finn is just dirty. Something feels off.

[@mandfwjames6787]

The only thing that is going to save B&B from cancellation is to stop these slow burning ridiculous storylines with same couples and go to 60 minutes.

[@cynthialewis4313]

I thought they were talking about another soap coming in. I hope not because that very well could knock out B&B not that but this all could be sabotage to make this cancel.

[@LucyLennon20]

@cynthialewis4313 I read B&B will not be canceled. "The Talk" is canceled and a new Soap: "The Gates" will premiere on CBS in January 2025.

[@mandfwjames6787]

@@LucyLennon20 - I was thinking about it being cancelled after the one-year renewal it received this year. Right now, the renewal is only for the 2024-2025 season which will begin in September.

[@LucyLennon20]

@@mandfwjames6787 anything can happen on CBS daytime tv

[@ds3146]

Hope is not full of herself and is not on her high horse. Thomas is an ass.

[@yolandablack6645]

Stupid storyline like Finn and Hope can't stay in the friendship zone. As for Hope and turning down the proposal, it is nerve-wracking at the least.

[@pattiepriest9036]

@@yolandablack6645 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@rosemarywilkerson5742]

I'm not understanding any of it. So stupid of a storyline

[@Gigi-lj4qf]

None of the Logan women wanted Hope with Thomas from the get go. They should be onboard with this!!!!! Geeezzzzz. And Finn is just an idiot. I do think Hope and Finn will kiss but when he turns her down Hope will spiral even more.

[@traciabrown8426]

Hope should not be the innocent nice pure person they keep saying. No such thing ad a perfect innocent person. Gag me.

[@normasalcedo8522]

I don’t like how the writers are portraying Steffy’s character. We are so over the Forrester women vs Logan women. Hope needs all these men to reject her to knock her off her high horse, and realize that she doesn’t need a man to stand on her own. She’s better than her mother.There is so many better ways that this storyline could be, Ugh!!! 😩

[@pattiepriest9036]

@@normasalcedo8522 steffys the same way with men 😁

[@paulaaugustine9026]

I need Hope to be with Beth and Douglas

[@carmenwhite8651]

@normasalcedo8522 It's like the Logans can do anything or be successful on their own merit. They've always had to have the Forrester name and money AND men to be important and successful even within the company. God forbid they did anything without sleeping with someone to climb up. On the other hand, the Forrester's seem to be the "little worker bees." It really should be Logan Creations. Forrester's seem to always be on the losing end when it come to love and relationships, but the show is supposed to be built around them, not the Logans. Is it just me?

[@twils1132]

@@carmenwhite8651 It’s not just you. That’s been the irritation from the beginning.

[@normasalcedo8522]

@@carmenwhite8651 100% true! 🫶🏼

[@pattiefoster6483]

Steffy leave Finn if he cheats on you

[@MsHamilton76]

Steffy cheated on Finn with Liam in Paris and when they came home

[@mariubaldo5501]

​@@MsHamilton76when did Steffy cheated on Finn in Paris, but I know she did when Liam cried like a baby when Thomas was kissing the mannequin, but when did the Paris thing happen because I thought Liam was still in LA talking mess to Finn?

[@christineingram8832]

Steffy better drag Hope like she did when she find out about Steffy and Liam

[@001spring]

Steffy......the woman that's been with two brothers and their father? This show is so gross.

[@CarolCamagwiniSilevu]

@@pattiefoster6483 Steffy did cheat with Liam while with Finn.

[@tendabrenda6611]

Liams waiting in the cutt ready to strike 😂

[@margaretdavis-qm5oo]

Facts 😂

[@jacquelynmcculloch7447]

I no even remember Liam was still on the show

[@daleunderdue6935]

For REAL😮

[@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi]

And he doesn't have to lift a finger. He's literally watching everybody else destroy their lives and all he has to do is pick up the pieces lol. Steffy will be his by Christmas at this rate lol

[@connieluggi4099]

I really would like hope to get back with Liam she was fine with Liam until Stephie and Thomas had to interfere in their lives

[@elainethompson7115]

How will Steffy pay dearly 😢Blenda that Steffy brother and she have every right to step in if a woman is using her brother by the way if she move on with him no problem Steffy is getting stud Joshua Marrow hope can have Finn for all I care😢

[@ThereseStewart-l4k]

Come on writers don't do that wow don't let Finn cross the line and cheat with hope don't do that

[@dorothywest6963]

A descent man turning evil

[@reebutler9994]

I’m so sick of talking, but this is the truth if theyFinn and hope together, I’m not watching bold and the beautiful no more.

[@aronbutterfield1496]

They are setting the stage/ of Hope and Finn will be together..Steffy and Liam will be getting back together too! after Hope and Finn cheat!..

[@I.J.eprice9147]

Can't one couple (Stephanie and Finn) stay together without straying from their marriage. Don't let there be cheating and straying...😏😖

[@joecausey8508]

I hope Finn and Hope (Fiope) get together.

[@cathyscalzo]

Hope and Finn have no chemistry at all. 😢this is so heartbreaking where they are going with the story

[@saffirechanning7286]

Brooke can STOP Hope and Finn from starting an ILLICIT AFFAIR before it even STARTS! As Hope's CONFIDANTE and MOTHER, she KNOWS what's goin' on in that girl's HEAD, when it comes to Finn. He's a MARRIED MAN, who would LOVE to USE Hope as his SIDE CHICK! Ysee, it isn't all on Hope. Finn is at FAULT too. Steffy ASKED him to STAY AWAY from Hope but he isn't LISTENING to her------or his mother, Li. Finn DESIRES Hope and he has for a while now. He isn't PERFECT, like Hope imagines he is. He's a MARRIED MAN, who wants to NICE DISTRACTION from his WIFE and MARRIAGE RESPONSIBILITIES. If Hope starts having an AFFAIR with Steffy's husband, there will be HELL TO PAY!!! Oh, I can SEE it now, BOTH Steffy and Ridge will AGREE to CANCEL Hope's clothing line, HFTF and THROW her OUTTA FC altogether! That WAR between Hope and Steffy will go NUCLEAR and nobody will be able to STOP it either!! But Brooke can PREVENT it from happening. How? She needs to RAT OUT Hope about her feelings for Finn! OK, if she doesn't wanna TELL Steffy, then she needs to GO TELL RIDGE! Yeah, maybe Ridge could STOP things from getting OUTTA HAND between Hope and Finn. But Brooke needs to SAY SOMETHING to Steffy or Ridge about Hope's DESIRES for Finn. I SWEAR, if Hope were MY DAUGHTER, that's exactly what I would do because TOO MUCH is at STAKE to remain QUIET! So, if Brooke remains QUIET and lets Hope go down that RECKLESS PATH, she can't try to DEFEND Hope, after she's already started having an AFFAIR with Finn. Yeah, Hope will probably be ANGRY at Brooke for a while but she'll GET OVER IT. When it comes to that situation, Brooke needs to be Hope's MOTHER-------not her FRIEND!

[@tinaperryman895]

@@saffirechanning7286 I agree with you that Brooke needs to tell Ridge before a fall out happens...but there are no signs of Finn having any kind of romantic feelings,not yet anyway,who knows what these writers have planned for next week..

[@MariaRolon-x7n]

This soap really needs to be canceled already so many stupid storylines they don't know if they're coming or going. hope and Finn have absolutely no chemistry together, they are boring as hell together. Finn really needs to get his nose out of hopes business, everybody's got their nose up everybody else's you know what. Katie has her nose up bills you know what, she should mind her own business, when Bill wanted her she didn't want him she only wants him now because Poppi's got him, nothing but jealousy and stupidity.and that whole storyline with that guy being Luna's dad is ridiculous too. also that whole story line with Thomas and Paris they have absolutely no chemistry together, and Paris is another one jumping from one bed to the next First Paris was with Zende who asked her to marry him then she saw Carter's abs and was lusting after him and didn't stop till she bedded him too then she was flirting with was Thomas at the same time. Paris needs to go back to Paris. Thomas needs to stop acting like an a****** he knows he's still in love with hope. and Steffy if she would stick her nose out of everybody's ass especially her brothers, and she would focus on her marriage she'd do a whole lot better. I can't stand the way she sucks up to Paris just because anybody that's not hope she will suck up to. if she had left her brother alone and not send him flying off to Paris hope and Thomas would have worked it out for themselves.

[@ds3146]

The woman is grown and doesn’t need mommy telling her what to do. Ridge will kill her. It’s ok for stuffy to come between Hope and her men, not for Hope to do the same!

[@gildagutierrez1014]

Finn be aware hope wants u only for one reason it's not love like everybody else she is like mother like daughter

[@Panda-r8n]

Bell has made look bad so his darling Logans look like angelic victims So now Finn is swooning on Hope Really Bell???? Is Steffy the old ugly maid or something?????

[@LucyLennon20]

Finn & Steffy seem (to me) like an old married couple with kids and stability. That can get boring and with Hope running over to the Doctor's office with headaches, etc. that's not helping Finn. He's tempted.

[@elizabethwilliams3425]

​@@LucyLennon20Hope's the one who's tempted

[@CarolCamagwiniSilevu]

​@LucyLennon20 Finn and Steffy have no chemistry. She needs to be with Liam and Hope with Thomas and Finn gets someone new.. 😂😂

[@RonJulien-qj1ny]

​@@CarolCamagwiniSilevuyes to steffy getting back with Liam but thomas and Paris are good for each other not stupid boring ass hopeless

[@LucyLennon20]

@elizabethwilliams3425 Hope is confused. And Finn doesn't help by telling her over and over that Thomas isn't good enough and that a new man will come along and could be standing right in front of her. (*like he is) Then the look Hope and Finn give each other, like they both know it could be them.

[@coreygeorge9593]

Brad Bell is going to be the iceberg that sinks this show

[@pattiepriest9036]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 yeeeeeeeup for sure

[@GinnySmith700]

Totally agree

[@j.8095]

Yup and I can’t wait

[@artlovinglatina9733]

Well, Hope has gone Brooke Jr. fully. She wants to steal a married man, Brooke's specialty. I can't imagine Thomas taking her back after betraying his sister. I want Steffy to be aware of what is going on with Hope and Finn. Hope is totally lost. She needs professional help PRONTO!

[@abbyrock5684]

Steffi who has slept with Bill and both of his sons is more like Brooke.

[@TheJmustang07]

​@abbyrock5684 Steffy is like Taylor and Brooke. Taylor slept with everybody too. She's no angel

[@abbyrock5684]

@@TheJmustang07 Wow, I didn't realize Taylor slept around! Thanks for the info.

[@artlovinglatina9733]

@@abbyrock5684 Taylor never slept with a married man. Brooke did sleep with married men. In fact, they were almost all married. Eric was married to Stephanie,Thorne to Macy, Deacon to Bridget, Bill to Katie.and Nick was engaged to Bridget.. When Taylor slept with the same men (she never had Deacon or Bill) as Brooke did, she was going through a tough time thanks to Ridge. They were never married at the time. A fact that was omitted by the previous blogger.

[@abbyrock5684]

@@artlovinglatina9733 Okay, I get it. It's just that Taylor and her children act like she walks on water.

[@RB-fy9dk]

I'll tune back in when Thope gets back together. Not feeling Hope and Finn. Not watching Thomas and Paris no chemistry

[@tammyackerman2262]

I totally agree!

[@dorothywest6963]

I am with you, I said if Hope hooks up with Dr.Finn I will not be a fan, never liked Paris, she is a trip. Hope and Thomas has the best chemistry.

[@RonJulien-qj1ny]

No thomas and Paris are good for each other yu people are insane really sorry so she can continue to string him along and used him as her sextoy eff out of here with your stupid thope garbage​@@dorothywest6963

[@mildredhuguely4316]

Zero chemistry - agree. I still think it’s a fake relationship so Thomas can get Hope back. I hope Finn doesn’t sleep with Hope. That would be a repeat of Liam, Hope & Steffy.

[@gloriaphilon]

If finn do sleep with hope, payback for steffy. She deserves it because she stole Liam. It's a family affair. Everyone has been with each other in the family after each other. Let's find out if Kelly is Bill girl soon please!!!,soooon....

[@tinaperryman895]

If these "writers" need to have Finn and Hope kissing it better just be in dream state,we don't need to see another Logan woman still another husband from his wife ..so far Brooke,Donna,Katie and Flo have taken a man from somebody..please don't add Hope to the bunch..

[@daisyparker7509]

Srephanie's in that bunch.

[@wendycox9476]

@@daisyparker7509 Don't see her trying to hump' somebody else's husband. That would be the usual Hoar for the future. Until she came along Steph and Finn were trying to work out there marriage. They don't need others interference . Maybe the Logans could for once in there lives mind there own business ??

[@SharonDeniseMorris]

A lot of people have fantasies but love their spouses.They usually do not cheat ...but this is the soaps.

[@valeriemendez2540]

Thomas will be upset if Hope put the moves on Finn he doesn't know she has fantasies about Finn.

[@aronbutterfield1496]

Thomas/ already moved on!

[@latoshacovington9865]

I think Hope needs therapy because her fear of being like Brooke has too much influence on her life decisions😢😢

[@sherquettaingram2578]

Hope needs counseling since Brooke and Oliver drama

[@lily-yanlee9277]

Finn lacks many parts of the anatomy, but he does have a big heart.​@user-bt3xy3vj1i

[@tendabrenda6611]

@@lily-yanlee9277and a small brain

[@tammyackerman2262]

STEFFY IS AT FAULT FOR THOMAS AND DOUGLAS LEAVING AFTER HOPE TURNED DOWN HIS SECOND PROPOSAL! SHE IS THE ONE THAT TALKED THOMAS INTO LEAVING TO GO TO PARIS! HOPE TURN DOWN THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE SHE WASN'T READY DIDN'T MEAN SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BE WITH THOMAS! SMIRK FACE BOSSY A$$ STEFFY NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. SHE KNOWS THOMAS IS STILL IN LOVE WITH HOPE AND SHE DOESN'T CARE WHO THOMAS MARRIES AS LONG AS IT'S NOT HOPE.. LOOK AT ALL THE HELL THOMAS PUT HOPE THROUGH OVER THE YEARS BUT HOPE FORGAVE HIM FOR ALL OF IT. LOOK AT ALL THE TIME STEFFY CHEATED WITH LIAM WHILE HE WAS MARRIED TO HOPE EVEN GETTING PREGNANT AT ONE POINT AND HAVING TO HAVE A PATERNITY TEST DONE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT WAS LIAM'S OR FINNS! STEFFY IS DEFINITELY NO ANGEL AND SHE HAS BEEN WITH WAY MORE MEN THAN HOPE EVER HAS!!! I'M GLAD HOPE FINALLY CAME INTO HER OWN. NO I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER AND FINN TOGETHER EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE REVENGE ON STEFFY. I PERSONALLY LIKE HOPE AND I WANT TO SEE THOPE BACK TOGETHER! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CHEMISTRY AND NO SPARK BETWEEN THOMAS AND PARIS! THOMAS AND HOPE WERE ON 🔥 WHEN THEY WERE TOGETHER! I HATE THE DIRECTION THAT THE WRITERS HAS TAKING THIS STORYLINE!!!

[@artlovinglatina9733]

​@@lily-yanlee9277And no balls!

[@TodoDekuOTP]

Only one who needs Karma is Hope. Steffy isn’t to blame here. All Hope has done is play games with Thomas.

[@faycarter4517]

If they put Hope with Finn, I’m done watching the show they making her out to be another. Brooke and I don’t even like that at all.

[@sylviekeumajou2676]

They thought about people shopping watching before you watched it. Some did not like Thope, others might not like Fope. But they are people who would like to see Fope. Finn and Hope are in love

[@wendycox9476]

@@sylviekeumajou2676 No there not. How many times has Finn told Hope he loves his wife? How many times before she takes the hint? or of course then she can deal with Steph's rage !! She broke up her 1st marriage to Liam..and Married him..then cheats on Liam..with her step' brother? YUCK!! Now Thommo has moved on from her using him..she wants Steph's 2nd husband as well now? Time for Steph to exercise her 2nd amendment rights on this train wreck of a women. ...No women is going to take that for the 2nd time..wipe the floor with her Steph !!

[@donnabradford9494]

Hope is a homewrecker, she already stole Liam from steffy while they had Kelly together now she wants baby daddy number 2 😮

[@Andreatheists-yy1oj]

Finn married Stephie not knowing her past and her infidelity to him. Hope is too fresh from her terrible marriage to Liam...the real weak cheater. She needs a break from serious relationships. Go visit her Grandparents on the Logan side for awhile.

[@tinaperryman895]

@@Andreatheists-yy1oj 😄..that's a good idea,Hope go visit your grandpa..

[@CassandraPorter-g4w]

@@Andreatheists-yy1oj Finn knew she cheated with Liam and her past with Liam, her ex-husband. He blamed Liam for going back and forward. Steffy told Finn about Bill after they were married. Does Steffy know all about Finn's past?

[@Cresenta]

Done with this show.

[@catherinecurry4774]

This is so false Finn is so in love with Steffy.Hope has no chance!!

[@heatherrecore7230]

Thomas and Paris are not a good pair. I used to be pro Steffy but she is a dictator and now I'm ready to see her pay for her actions. I am thinking they find Hope on the ground and Shiela is freaking out over Hope....is it a brain tumor? Or is she pregnant? I liked Tomas and Hope together. But if her headaches are due to brain tumor both Finn and Thomas could be in dismay Over Hope. Finn caring for Hope could anger Steffy...Thomas worried for Hope could anger Paris.

[@artlovinglatina9733]

I still like Steffy. There is nothing wrong with protecting your only brother from the clutches of the Logan clan.

[@1Airwaving]

I would love to see Paris & Thomas work . Sweet little family, , Douglas could have a little sister or brother😊

[@LynASullivan]

Thomas and Paris no chemistry. How long will this drag on. Everyone seems to be over it

[@freethinker4596]

Oh please, there is zero chemistry between Thomas and Paris!!!!!!!!!

[@tammyackerman2262]

Exactly absolutely none!!!

[@RonJulien-qj1ny]

​@@tammyackerman2262neither him with hope less

[@tammyackerman2262]

@@RonJulien-qj1ny Thomas and Hope had awesome chemistry!!! Those two were on 🔥! Anyone could see that. That's why so many people were rooting for THOPE!!! I have watched B&B for years give or take a few because I would quit watching sometimes but I certainly watched when Thomas and hope were together and I've seen tons of videos on KZbin that has the perfect song with each video of Thomas and Hope! This chemistry was absolutely amazing!!! When he's with Paris it almost seems Forced. And they certainly don't make a good couple! I would rather stream reruns of B&B when Thomas and Hope were together than to see Thomas and Paris!!! The writers screwed that storyline up!

[@jay.h596]

I really cannot stand Hope and Finn should’ve told Steffy when Hope did.

[@kimnewson]

I hope Rich get in control and get rid of Brooke because she and her mama is no good. They like to trouble, but they got some soon is gonna lead Brooke again once again for his daughter.

[@leandredavis9501]

If they put hope and Finn together I'm done with this show

[@darnellanders8768]

That would be the only reason I would continue to watch... Hope needs to free herself from the Forrester's who are all about dominance and controlling the narrative according to their fragile egos....Finn and Hope are Hot 🔥 together..Finn will soon tire of cuddling up with a barracuda and or cold 🥶 swordfish...

[@dianapatrice6032]

I would not like them being together. The kids are already all mixed up. Imagine if they got together and hope get pregnant by him Steffi finally broke away all that back-and-forth here we go again I will stop watching.

[@darnellanders8768]

@@dianapatrice6032 Oh yeah this would be Karma for Stuffy ho if Hope got pregnant by Finn and also just more heartache for Hope who will be nominated the new slut of the valley second to Brooke ... Hope is so confused and vulnerable....All thanks to Stuffy hos belittling and demeaning Hope. And Tommy boy moving on faster than one can blink a eye..... Then of course more blending of the families. .Bell is all about that. .It all started with Brooke....Finn will become the new waffler unless Liam is around to pick up the pieces relaxing in the easy chair recliner..

[@traciisaac6153]

So I’m I? They went for the same men with limb. I hope they don’t start this messy mess again

[@darnellanders8768]

@@traciisaac6153 exactly they played this crap out with Brooke and Taylor for years.... just more rewritten recycle storylines...

[@nadda7140]

Ridge and Brooke looks like they will start to have problems over their children. Now would be a great time for Taylor to come back 😊 preferably with a hot man!

[@antoniajarvi2217]

I do not like how Ridge talks down to everyone. What is his deal? You can tone down your vouce & attitude Ridge! Reminds me of Victor on Y&R.

[@nadda7140]

@@antoniajarvi2217 yeah i agree. But I am glad that he is finally standing up for his kids. I think the show will make a thing out of it based on Donna's reactions to Brooke when Ridge got mad. I can’t stand Victor. I had to stop watching Y&R

[@yolandablack6645]

Steffy should get taken down a notch. Paris and Carter should be together, and I agree 👍 that it's time for Thope.

[@pattiepriest9036]

@@yolandablack6645 👍👍👍👍👍

[@tendabrenda6611]

@@yolandablack6645 she doesn’t want to marry thomas

[@tinaperryman895]

@@yolandablack6645 Carter and Paris were together,but Carter loved Quinn more,so Paris was dumped at the alter..

[@donnabailey1682]

Finn and Poppy finally. Hope with no one right now. Goodbye Paris. Come on writers. You can do better. Your getting boring. Maybe later put Hope with Bill. That would be a twist.

[@johnschannel449]

Thomas is only with Paris to make Hope jealous and Paris is only with Thomas because his a wealthy forrester , if they marry it will only last a few months

[@elainejurczak7068]

Why would the writers want to put Hope and Finn together. They are step siblings? When do they put siblings together in these stories???

[@wendycox9476]

All the time !! Hope and Thomas are step brother and sister !! YUCK"" !!!

[@jenerest1925]

I'm so glad Thomas left hope!

[@danielkwamedanso-owusu3505]

I think Steffy should stop bugging hope

[@tammyackerman2262]

YESS STEFFY NEEDS TO LEAVE HOPE ALONE AND MIND HER OWN DANG BUSINESS! ALL SHES DONE TO SEPARATE THOMAS AND HOPE IS GONNA BACKFIRE ON HER A$$ IF SHE'S NOT CAREFUL! I DON'T LIKE STEFFY OR PARIS!

[@teresamiller1485]

Yes I agree but why is Hope always going in Steffy's office???

[@j.8095]

@@tammyackerman2262what did Paris do exactly?

[@tammyackerman2262]

@@j.8095 I just don't like her, Steffy or Poppy. Several people I've seen comment don't like Paris or Steffy! Everyone has their own opinion about who they like and don't like and Those 3 I don't like!

[@tammyackerman2262]

@@teresamiller1485Not sure but everyone is in and out of that office. It's actually Steffy and Brooke's office now since Ridge asked Brooke to step up and take his place.

[@tonigipson9011]

Hello, Okay this time I get a chance to speak about Hope&Finn, didn’t have enough b4 for talking about Poppy& her sister and there mess, so look ya, we all know the history of the Logan women, hope mother cannot throw back @ her daughter because when you have lived in a glass house you don’t throw stones , most of Hope problem after having a sexual thing with Thomas he bought out the real hope, that the feeling that she starts feeling she doesn’t know how to stop them it’s in her DNA, Brooke the mother we know about her family members of same sector, and Thomas help bring out the thing in hope, now I don’t think that her and Finn show us any kind of spark fire @ all, and Steffy would literally kill Hope (lol) for coming after her husband, Steffy remembering Hope mother endeavors from the pass, although I don’t see Paris and Thomas together, either, Paris your pass is also catching up with you also, so we just have to see how these writers of B&B end all this messy mess going to a closure!!!!!!!!!!

[@sueg2133]

So Hope tells Thomas firvtje third time she doesnt want to marry him. Hope is a flake

[@marisalombardi385]

The Forresters have just proclaimed Paris a Saint: how ridiculous...

[@lesliesyville8560]

They are Marones 😂 😂😂😂

[@alicialigon2385]

I hope they stop this mess with finn and hope ok they have zero chemistry zero same with Paris and Thomas.

[@nlung12345]

Totally agree. I don’t see chemistry with either pair

[@nataliepinkston4868]

I like Thomas with Paris and I like Steffy with Liam

[@nataliepinkston4868]

This is soap opera. You can’t keep one couple together forever. You have to switch it up as people is gonna stop watching and that’s why the the the rating is so low right now it’s boring so I’m glad they change it up.

[@latasha3472]

Who cares about y'all? Chemistry don't like don't watch.

[@Suzlac2009]

@@nataliepinkston4868 DW already wrap her parts of taping so I don't see Thomas and Paris getting married at all. Thope will be back together and Sinn will stay Sinn too. They will not screwing the 2 most important fans bases like this for a long time...I predict that by the end of sweeps, Hope and Thomas are back together.

[@lydiamesfin2139]

i am so mad at the writers because they brought up Thomas and hope. However hope and finn together. I hope that hope will be back together with hope and Thomas .

[@eileenrogerssouza519]

Stop this crap with Finn and Hope, Hope is beginning to be just like her mother

[@judimiller8458]

Logans go away

[@nlung12345]

I still don’t think Thomas would like Hope moving on

[@artlovinglatina9733]

Not with his sister's husband!!!!

[@jwhittington3455]

I don’t blame Steffy for wanting Hope out of Thomas life. Hope is just using Thomas and has no intentions of marrying him since she has the hots for Finn. Finn needs to stop bragging about Hope because she is far from being so saintly and perfect. Thomas is the one who made Hope for the future popular not her because all she does is daydream during the day. I hope Steffy walks in on Hope flirting with her husband and puts her in her place literally like scare the heck out of her.

[@wendycox9476]

Now that"". would make for a good storyline !! That cheap, scrubber needs some comeuppance !!

[@dritadiaz1215]

If Finn gets with Hope than Finn is just as bad as Hope

[@sherquettaingram2578]

I hope Thomas and Liam drag him like he do them

[@tommy7fun]

Nahh.....Finn is a good guy. And sometimes good guys make bad choices. The flesh is weak.

[@artlovinglatina9733]

He is too judgemental to get involved with Hope without repercussions.​ I expect Sreffy to limit visitations with Hayes.

[@sherquettaingram2578]

Steffy better drag Hope like she did her when she find out about her and Liam

[@sherrybarrie8314]

Steffy's character needs an adjustment. They had her put Hope locked in a gondola so she could marry Liam years ago. Steffy always wants what Hope has. It would look good on her to come down a few notches for her bossiness and interference. Very dislikeable character.

[@DesrineBarrett]

Thomas is marrying Paris, yet still asking Hope to marry.right about there he is not committed r love Paris.if Hope had said yes,he would have thrown away Paris like a piece of garbage

[@capricebaah6264]

Steffy is looking out for her brother as any good sister would. She has been hurt by her daddy leaving mom for a Logan and does not want her brother to be with a Logan. I don't blame her. Taylor and Ridge had 3 kids when Ridge left her for Brooke. Time to write something else on this story. How would Brooke act as if better than anyone seeing how she slept with all the Foresters. She is OK with her daughter going after a married man really. Story stinks.

[@Tonymark-b5w]

Then Steffy should blame her dad, but she treats him like he can do no Wrong. Pathetic

[@wendycox9476]

@@Tonymark-b5w No she doesn't !!! She calls him out on this all the time..just yesterday in fact in my country...before she forgot her passport and missed her flight. He's a bully anyway..always yelling at people and telling them how to live there lives.. I hate" him in this show...thoroughly boorish, unlikeable pig !! Turns my stomach...!!

[@patdoud2319]

I have been bold fan for several years I don't understand the writing.... Sick of them making Hope out to be bad. hope n finn do NOTHING FOR ME!!!!! they don't have any charism like Thomas n Hope.. I absolutely don't under stand how she confesses her lov 4 him n won't marry him!!!! and if Hope loves Thomas so much how can she turn 2 Finn. Stephanie is such a bossy control freak!! Finn needs to grow a pair n stand up to wife n mom!!!! don't like Poppy story she seemed good in beginning n now turned bad. Katie storyline is bazzare NOW SHE WANTS BILL??????

[@reebutler9994]

Belinda Thomas is a grown man. He said several time he had to get away. He told hope .people accusing Stephanie why Thomas left .now because Thomas ask hope to marry him again is Stephanie fault that hope said no to Thomas again hope should have received the proposal and wear the ring until she is ready. hope begin to have a pity party with Finn and I’m sick of hope. Belinda make it make sense to me now hope won’t Thomas herself crying when Finn around it’s headaches.

[@TheJmustang07]

​@@reebutler9994 Thomas is a grown man. Steffy needs to realize that and stop trying to run his and everyone else's lives. She's annoying

[@melsdolls]

Yes Steffy has to let Finn go cozy up to the woman who shot her and left her for dead. She should also not care that little innocent Hope is plotting her little revenge because as usual she is blaming someone else for her bad decisions. I think Finn and Hope deserve each other. Steffy and Liam are fun together. Hope should have been out of the picture years ago. Bill Spencer was right.

[@connieluggi4099]

Steffy deserves whatever she gets that's what she gets for button in on Hope and Thomas's business

[@TerriAMays]

Yes, they need something positive. They just need new characters/actors.

[@traciisaac6153]

All theses people in this soap do is swap Men with each other! Hope is becoming just like her Hoish Mom

[@akieldaniel9837]

It about time Steffy taste a own medicine

[@deartammie]

Yes!👏

[@Panda-r8n]

Here we go again Bell shoving his love of Hope Logan in our faces and now we are to believe that Hope is more than Steffy? Is he for real? Finn wanting a whiny spoilt self serving brat of Brooke Logan?Steffy or Steam fans may want Steam but not as a Finn cheats on Steffy because Hope is irresistible lol

[@shakeragolding966]

The writing is going downhill. Steffy is doing too much and she has become un-defendable and this Steffy vs Hope bit is overdone! I'm just tired at this point. No to Paris and Thomas and especially no to the way Douglas is being used in this storyline. Team Hope on this bit

[@sherquettaingram2578]

I think Paris been using by Thomas

[@shakeragolding966]

@@sherquettaingram2578 I think he's really trying to move on from Hope. However, it not going to be easy because we're already seeing him crack

[@sherquettaingram2578]

@@shakeragolding966 Ridge is questions Thomas about moving on from Hope

[@bettydorsey215]

I stopped looking at this show. I'm so sick and tired of the musical beds, the story lines and the characters.

[@Sandra-eg9fi]

But Belinda, Steffy has been proven right since Hopeless STILL couldn't commit to Thomas and we had Thomas himself admit that it didn't matter if it was today or 19 years from now, Hopeless would still say No! So why should Steffy pay for that, shouldn't someone question what is wrong with Hopeless? If Finn, who has no reason whatsoever, to cheat on Steffy, do anything with Hopeless, then I hope Steffy is done with him. this is not like Steffy and Liam, who has a past history, FINN Only has a history with Steffy, so this would be so out of character and out of the blue. It would also prove that what Hopeless and all the Lowgans talking about Thomas moving on too fast is pure Hypocrisy, and Steffy doesn't need another man who has also been with Hope. Finn was brought in to break that pattern, same as with Ridge/Brooke and Taylor

[@justheropinion1758]

Once Ridge find out that Brooke knew about this and didn’t tell him I don’t see them getting married and him taking her off the board and shut down Hope for the future

[@danielkwamedanso-owusu3505]

To fair Steffy has allowed Liam to kiss her twice

[@latasha3472]

So it's okay to go full throttle over a freaking kiss?🤨😏

[@patriciaherzog66]

So it's ok for steffy to kiss Liam twice but not ok for anything with hope and finn

[@latasha3472]

@@patriciaherzog66 She didn’t initiate the kiss . Liam kissed her

[@tammyackerman2262]

​@@latasha3472but she didn't push Liam away she also kissed Liam back! It's bad enough when Liam and Hope were married he cheated with Steffy how many times and then she gets knocked up and has to have a DNA test done to determine whether her baby is Finns or Liam's while Liam was still married to Hope and Hope forgave him for that once again!!! Steffy it's certainly No Angel!!!

[@CassandraPorter-g4w]

Steffy did not kiss Liam. Liam kissed her. Steffy told him to stop disrespecting her and Finn

[@Andrea-sl8wd]

Steffy gets a taste of her medicine...EXCELLENT.

[@justjulzz5940]

B&B needs new meat.

[@j.8095]

Every time they bring new meat in they ruin them!

[@darnellanders8768]

All those words of wisdom coming from Finn makes one wonder will he Soon tire of cuddling up to the barracuda and or cold 🥶 swordfish that he married and 😮 free himself or just decide to become the next waffler.. Hope knows all to well how that feels..

[@tahjimcadoo2492]

Come on Finn isn't a cheater this hole thing is just Finn being overly nice naive Finn really needs to look at what hes doing really the writers need to stop this thave really messing up the Finn character an we the fans don't like it Finn loves an adores Steffy hes not interested in Hope like that an theirs no chemistry but I do think hes being foolish Hope is a mess because of Thomas she made a mistake not excepting his proposal now she's having to deal with it I don't believe at all Thomas is over Hope when he was standing at the fire place in his grand father Eric's living room Thomas was thinking about the proposal he didn't look happy an before that he was staring at Hope while standing next to Paris an when Hope left he Room he rubbed the back of his head an looked a little down Thomas told Hope after he proposed for the third time Hope said no Thomas said he new she would he said it ok that he was moving on yeah with clear feelings of still being in love with her I get it but we see hes still in love with Hope I get he wants to get married an have more children but its to fast an an when your thinking about your first proposal to your ex an you keep saying your over that its not really the case an things are still fresh I really like the Thomas character glad hes back but I hadn't been watching its Bern to much an what their doing to Finn has not right hes being really naive I get hes a nice guy an he trying to help but its looking a little rediculous Finn feels sorry for Hope that's it Finn needs to watch him self in really look at what hes doing I don't like what brad bell is doing Finn is a goid character but hes become a bit of a hippocrite he believes Shelia who shot him an his wife may have changed but hes making negative comments about Thomas an I don't get it Thomas has changed an had therapy Shelia hasn't an we know shed lied Finn was always wanting to give people the benefit of the dought but hes not doing that for Thomas an Finn is now looking really rediculous Hopes the one fantasiesing about Finn an he has no idea hes not interested in Hope No hes not brad bell needs to fix this right away an give us the old Finn back this isn't right an I don't see Thomas an Paris walking down the aisle I do think Hope will stop the wedding I don't like her behavior at all but I do believe she does genuinely love Thomas an her thinking about Finn is because of her up set over Thomas I don't think Thope is over ill continue to watch the clips on line an not watch the show on TV ill watch clips of Thope an I do watch scenes of Steffys Grand mother an Brooke fight so that's it I'm very disappointed in brad bells writing vey much so hope this Thope situation will go well still love them lets get a new producer or something 💯😈😠👺👺👺.

[@tammyackerman2262]

I agree 💯%!!!

[@lorinewland755]

No chemistry with Hope and Finn!! I hope he doesn't end up sleeping together.

[@jamesanderson3617]

I think Finn is such a weird guy, man!!

[@lindajackson2382]

Well Sheila IS HIS MOTHER!

[@nlung12345]

He is a weirdo

[@mariubaldo5501]

If it's karma for Steffy but the karma will be on Hope because 2 wrongs doesn't make a right and your suppose to forgive and not it back at someone because once you get revenge, you'll be the 1 getting the worst of it, because once you do wrong it always comes back worst on you

[@marymaynard9530]

Ok who cares at this point hope, Finn, steffy get on my nerve I can’t stand their characters wish they would of kept Thomas got rid of them

[@roselinejacob6917]

I'm so sick of hope.

[@sherquettaingram2578]

I am sick of Steffy ,Finn and Hope

[@amandaredd3057]

What? Hope, you won't marry me after we've been sleeping together for 2 months? Well, I'm sorry but "I love you" just isn't enough! What? Everyone thinks it's great that I'm now marrying another chick who I've also only dated a month or two? It's not weird that my son calls some random woman "mom" like he doesn't already have one? I DON'T GET IT. Seriously, why the hell does everyone make Thomas out as the deserved hero?? Whatever. As far as Steffy goes, she can hug a landmine. I hope Hope and Finn run away together and leave her with nothing. Or better yet, leave her to crappy Liam to be mistreated again. I can not stand her

[@patriciaherzog66]

Steffy deserves everything she gets

[@tendabrenda6611]

Finn will shut hope down, she’s crazy

[@gailhayes2831]

​@@tendabrenda6611I totally agree. Bell wants the opposite though the boosting of ratings. Overexposure Hope, Finn atm Loganized Finn he must get dirty too. Time will Tell.

[@tendabrenda6611]

@@gailhayes2831 yup he gotta make his rounds like Liam bill ridge and Eric

[@sodaratieng9507]

I disagreed!

[@CassandraPorter-g4w]

No, she does not deserve the blame for Thomas and Hope. That's their doing. A suggestion is only a suggestion. Thomas made the decision to act on it. His call

[@shillery65]

Yuck do not like Paris with Thomas???

[@nlung12345]

Nope

[@tammyackerman2262]

Neither do I!!! It almost looks forced and there is no chemistry whatsoever like it was between Thomas and Hope!

[@SharonDeniseMorris]

Iam glad Steffy is look out for her brother.Hope is being jerk.She just wanted to bed him ..& now Finn..so she is right hope should not get married.

[@eyezonly8593]

Let's be honest Hope couldn't measure up to Steffy even if Steffy wasn having a bad day.

[@melaniemcconnell3650]

So when are they going to drag up that Stephie kissed Liam Liam kissed Stephie and she never said a word to them about it. Miss self-righteous

[@deniserenville782]

U don't listen can't u keep hope away from finn I ll quit watching if thy get together

[@LaurieLBell]

Team Hope! Karma is coming for Steffy!

[@reebutler9994]

Team Stephanie👍🏽

[@CassandraPorter-g4w]

Why is karma coming to Steffy. Hope and Thomas are responsible for their own relationship

[@pinaditommaso9244]

Belinda mi dispiace ma non sei obbiettiva in questo momento...dai la colpa a Steffy per aver convinto suo fratello a non essere solo oggetto del sesso...Thomas ha un cervello e ha capito che Steffy aveva ragione .Perché non dici che Hope non sa cosa vuole dalla vita e Steffy dovrebbe pagare per le scelte di Hope?è assurdo

[@LucyLennon20]

I agree💯% Hope does not know what she wants !

[@winterdame307]

Steffy is wrong in lots of ways but I still like her. It would be wrong to break up anyone's marriage. As far as Steffy and Liam goes, he was willing to play both Steffy and Hope at the same time. Liam could have told her to buzz off but he kept coming back for more with Steffy even though he was married to Hope! I don't know what Finn will do. He might fantasize about Hope. Although I don't know why. I see no romantic parallels between them. Let's face it, boring plus boring equals a yawn. These writers will do anything to boost the shows ratings! As I always say, time will tell!

[@trose5507]

Steffy engineered her marriage to Liam, while Hope was stuck in the gondola...thanks to Steffy & Bill co-conspiring. It's about time Steffy gets what she deserves and finally feels what it's like to have her husband/man being yanked from her. Steffy _BEEN_ doing Hope wrong for so long.

[@sherquettaingram2578]

Hope told Brooke Liam will not fall for Steffy game. Because he loves her and respect her

[@tendabrenda6611]

@@trose5507lies

[@tammyackerman2262]

​@@trose5507I totally agree!!!

[@artlovinglatina9733]

​@sherquettaingram2578 what????

[@magickcat7983]

Steffy deserves her karma but I still don’t want to see Hope serve it to her through Finn.

[@maunsebastian8809]

Yeah, karma for Steffy! Let's get it on b&b! Super soapy!

[@diamondtiara84]

It just occurred to me that Ridge and Brooke are kind of like Hope and Thomas. Ridge loves Brooke but he doesn't seem in any hurry to marry her again. But in their case, Brooke (despite a remark about him not putting a ring on it) is okay with waiting until Ridge is ready, whereas Thomas felt differently. You have to both be on the same page (like Thomas and Paris) for it to work.

[@sandratodd694]

Steffi is slapped by Brad Bell just like Thomas always is with his awful storylines, Taylor’s children never win , not when Brooke’s kids are involved , we always see which witch is always left standing on this show, it’s always Brooke, Hope and all women that are Logan’s , and their same old boring non existent storylines, why are they even still on this show, the only reason that they are on here is because , all 3 if them are just some old busy bodies who are in absolutely everyone else’s business, storylines and episodes??? Brad Bell do you really think that absolutely anybody tunes in to watch the Hope character, they did until you ruined it by taking Thomas out of the storyline, because that was the only time that she was interesting, and not boring like watching paint dry? If you actually put Finn and Hope together to cheat on Steffi, you will lose fans and , sorry but this show already has some awful storylines that are just all over the place with , lame storylines and boring characters, where are the key characters of Bold and Beautiful, sidelined and missing from any real storylines???? Who tunes in to watch this nonsense?

[@nannarav8754]

Belinda I've always said that Steffy was the cause of Thomas and Hope break-up. They were two consenting adults and could've handled their own private lives and affairs. Thomas and Hope either would've worked thru their issue or not, but at least the choice would've been theirs and should not have been Steffys too make. But nooo meddling, conniving holier than thou, self righteous Steffy was'nt having it, so she inserted herself into their private, personal, business at Thomas upset state with Hope to manipulate him convincing Thomas to leave town and take their son Douglass with him for no other reason than to stick it to Hope once again. Steffys interference had nothing at all about protecting Thomas from Hope, but everything to do with sticking it to Hope once again as she has been doing since Hope has been a character on B & B.

[@CassandraPorter-g4w]

Thomascmade the call to leave not Steffy. She suggested it and he made the decision to leave. He could have decided to stay. In the end, it was his call. I don't blame Steffy for trying to protect her brother.

[@melaniemcconnell3650]

Stephie needs to own up to her own lies that she's hiding

[@Kathy-zz6gn]

This storyline is boring and doesn't make sense. Finn doesn't even know Hope he keeps praising her over and over with the same repetitive dialog every time he sees her. If Finn cheats on steffy, I hope she doesn't take him back.

[@Ilove2blog2]

Why not he forgave her for cheating with Liam Steffy fans hypocrite as always

[@sodaratieng9507]

I don’t see anything wrong with Thomas and Paris! It does not had to be hogan’s women! Move on with new couples!

[@jamesanderson3617]

I dont like either Hope or Steffy at the moment so if Hope cheats with Finn it would be karma for Steffy but Hope is really selfish where Thomas is concerned