Bold and the Beautiful - 1999 (S13 E23) FULL EPISODE 3157

[@toelielariouspinda355]

its so funny, Ron Moss and Winsor Harmon are acting their behinds off, but it just doesnt come across 😂😂😂😂😂 I love it so much, and then John McCooks skills, not adding anything to it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My guilty pleasure. 🥰🥰🥰

[@JamesBrady-qc6zy]

And people said That Ron moss was a terrible actor but in my opinion he’s not that bad of the actor.

[@andream5998]

Rm, WH and Jmc really are not so good actors. None of them basically has acting skills.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

*_"A lot of men have accepted you: Eric, Ridge, Grant..."_* Katie found a nice way to call her sister a s k an k 😂

[@brendanbressler9807]

And her future husband accepts Grandma Haircut too. 😬🤢

[@annieo6527]

This new meaning of the word "accept" is hilarious! Especially since Brooke's main goal has always been Stephanie's "acceptance".

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@annieo6527 😆 👍

[@Tikaboo27]

That wasn’t even the complete list up to this point. So has James and Connor 😂😂😂

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

She forgot about Dave, Connor and James... 😂 🥝💚🖤

[@NewYorkNick0607]

The dialogue from both Brooke and Thorne is so ridiculous and so at odds with their character histories. Brooke saying she finally has something worth fighting for and Thorne saying he's finally found what he's been searching his whole life for -- these sentiments have been expressed in the past (and were more true) _about Ridge and Macy._ It's ludicrous to hear Brooke and Thorne repeat those sentiments now about each other. The only way one could buy and root for their defiant romance is if you're a fairly new viewer. @Annie has written about how Brad seems to be trying to change the show's reality or rewrite its history, and it's not the first time he's done this. For instance, when Ridge and Brooke were married (after Taylor's "death"), Brooke frequently referred to both of her kids as Ridge's and none of the other characters ever corrected her and the show was careful to keep her out of scenes with Eric so their history together was never invoked. Brad was trying to whitewash that history to make Ridge and Brooke seem less icky as a couple and now he's doing another reset here with Brooke and Thorne.

[@annieo6527]

Absolutely! I wrote a reply to you but algo wouldn't let it through so I posted it as a separate comment (The battle of the narratives).

[@blackblake3658]

This was when Talk Shows were running soaps off the air. Shows became plot driven and characterisation went out the window. Ruined soaps.

[@gugugal1211]

This phase of Brookes love life was where she was extremely delusional and ruthless. Thorne was the worst mistake and the sickest. At least ridge was her first love, and eric was in a powerful position as a rich man to seduce her so it made sense. But Thorne? Brooke was super crazy about that lol. You can see it in her eyes, shes messed up!

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@Esi-741 triple date! 😉

[@annieo6527]

@@gugugal1211 absolutely! Thorne was Brooke's most destructive relationship ever in terms of the effects and the number of vic t ims, and her self is h ness was at its peak (which continued with the Deacon affair that followed).

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@Annie, see that sly smile from Brooke when Katie asks if her relationship with Thorne can withstand opposition from the Forresters? (9:50) That's the competitive Brooke we know so well! Katie basically said the magic words. For Brooke, romance is more about war than love.

[@annieo6527]

Yes, absolutely! Brooke keeps saying that she wishes Thorne wasn't a Forrester, but as you correctly pointed out, that is actually part of the appeal.

[@-Lily7415]

“ You are not going to blame me for her stroke “ Ridge tells Thorn “ Like hell we can’t!” What he and Eric don’t say out loud is that he is the black sheep,and scapegoat of the family And he gets blamed for everything always has and always will. They will fling everything on to him that they’ve ever done .

[@annieo6527]

Yes, this is true. But on the other hand, in this particular situation, Thorne _is_ the problem. Ridge and Eric have moved past Brooke (for now) and now they see Thorne about to make a disastrous mistake that may cost Stephanie her life.

[@elr6169]

Nauseating to hear Brooke talk this way about yet another Forrester man. If Rick wasn't her biological son, she'd go after him next.

[@clairefaulkner2603]

Love CJ, Mick Cain is so cute. Wyatt reminds me of him, the silly homie who's genuinely good and not the typical soap opera man. Oh also Cain came back for a few episode cameo some years ago and this cat has not aged a day.

[@prasad9002]

His so good looking. Girls should have been fighting over him instead of Rick most of the time.

[@annieo6527]

Yes, I always preferred CJ to Rick. His romance with Becky was very sweet - looking forward to seeing it again!

[@elaineellard5848]

Brooke has been married 3-4 times yet Katie still hasn’t!? 😂 she’s way more mature and smarter than her big sister.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

I've mentioned before how 90s B&B (Brad) often copied storylines and borrowed ideas from 90s Y&R (Bill) and here we have another one. Rick confiding to CJ that he feels he got married too young is exactly how Nick Newman felt on Y&R (the beginning of the problems in his marriage to Sharon).

[@prasad9002]

Nick loved Sharon. And always will. Amber and Rick's relationship seemed forced because of the babies.

[@sharonstewart4882]

Good call. I remember how upset Sharon was when Nick said that to her. It used to drive me crazy how insensitive he was with her feelings (even though I loved them as a couple).

[@andream5998]

Those forrester are all trash. Well, Rigde and Thorne had the biggest trash cane, worthless piece of garabage, toxic and sick loser as a rolemode - Eric. Eric taught them well of being cowards, losers, users, takers, narcissists and abusers. Brooke is propably Eric's secret child with beth. They are so alike.

[@Dana_inc]

How can a person all of sudden ( after knowing them for years) like a person! Brooke lives in a damn daydream! Throne should be suspect of these sudden feelings from Brooke!

[@annieo6527]

Absolutely! These feelings are too intense and too sudden to actually be real. They won't last and both Brooke and Thorne should know this. Instead they are willing to risk everything for a mirage.

[@TXALTHAUS]

11:58 "You are so far off the mark here, Thorne". Great line and a classic Eric Forrester thing to say.

[@jackieesposito4073]

This dialogue is really great between Eric and Thorne, however, it should’ve been said to Eric years ago exactly what he is saying now. Eric never ever should have been with his son’s girlfriend. Really, really inappropriate, incestuous, and gross.

[@blackblake3658]

In a few years Eric will be chasing Donna and Ridge will sleep with Katie while engaged to Brooke. 😆

[@nicolegough2828]

Ridge actually doesn't sleep with Katie until after he dumps Brooke.

[@marymason2499]

Whattttt

[@ministryofwrongthink9847]

Brooke you used Eric as a way into the Forrester millions😂

[@aph1976]

And Eric was innocent?He was the one married and not Brooke.

[@prasad9002]

Eric deserved everything he got.

[@babs4848]

​Eric deserved it. But marrying the father of your destiny .. it is not a great move. She wasn't in love with Eric and she is not with Thorne. But how can make her understand it..​@@prasad9002

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

Ridge to Thorne: "This is about our mother!" Also Ridge 2 seconds later: "You son of a b..." 🤣🤣🤣 Wait...when did CJ and Rick become bffs? 🥝💚🖤

[@annieo6527]

Thorne claims to have found something in Brooke that he has been searching for his entire life. Way to minimize everything Macy has given him.

[@-Lily7415]

I know I was so mad

[@babs4848]

That's what I've never liked about B&B script: the easiness writers had to demean great romances once they ended. And often they had to change characters original traits to achieve it

[@annieo6527]

@@babs4848 yes - in this case it seems like the writers are trying to make us forget Thorne and Macy's history (especially jarring when we are actually _watching_ that history in S8 right now). But in this case, the writers will not succeed in establishing this new narrative and in the end they will have to retrace their steps and go back to the original narrative, making the Thorne/Brooke "romance" an odd parenthesis in the history of the characters. And Thorne will be left regretfully wondering what he was thinking when he chose Brooke over Macy.

[@HunterWrangler]

@@annieo6527 Hence the reason they recasted Thorne in late 1996. I think the viewers would have had trouble believing Jeff’s Thorne would go after Taylor and forget about Macy.

[@annieo6527]

@@HunterWrangler I don't know if that was the reason, but given the connection between Macy and JT's Thorne it would have been difficult to create viable long term pairings for either of them with another character.

[@francoisekoko6068]

Even Katie saw the red flags quoting all the men who accepted brooke😂😂 but not ole ole brooke She wanted her pie and so went for it

[@-Lily7415]

They are being very loud at Forrester. They should take it down to the basement where Thorne’s Office is. After all no one sees or hears Thorne down there.

[@bettyhopson]

This crazy stuff with Eric and Ridge….being so Angry with Thorne over upsetting Steph when both of them had little regard for Steph’s feelings when they were in pursuit of Brooke? Thorne and Brooke are two lost souls….their relationship seems all about the battle they are fighting against all odds. Eric, Ridge, Thorne, Brooke are all a mess as far as I can tell…🥴🤨 Katie knows her sister has lost it. 😳

[@annieo6527]

​@@bettyhopsonyes, both Thorne and Brooke have gone off the deep end. It is so _obvious_ that for Brooke, this is a reaction to Ridge having twins with Taylor. And Thorne is finally getting all the attention that his brother usually gets.

[@LifeIsNotorious]

I remember looking at this in middle school 😂😂😂

[@rachelkristine4669]

Cute Dr. Queen Steph hit the medical jackpot! 😏

[@babs4848]

Brooke is saying that, in order to stay with Ridge, she had to fight Ridge Stephanie and Taylor's approval. She is admitting she struggles to achieve first 1) Ridge's love( when he was in love with Caroline) 2),then for Stephanie s approval( when she moved in Stephanie house) 3) and for Taylor s approval (maybe after she came back from Morocco). Where is destiny?

[@kayschultz4113]

Seems like Brooke wanted to stick it to Stephanie going after the Forrester "men"

[@kayschultz4113]

Brooke wasn't in love; she was just desperate.

[@annieo6527]

True. The context is that when Brooke first "fell in love" with Thorne, she had just found out that Taylor was expecting twins, which pretty much ended her hopes of ever getting Ridge back. So she looked around for another destiny and happened to find Thorne.

[@kayschultz4113]

@@annieo6527 To me, Brooke seemed to confuse destiny with desperation

[@alicehouston874]

If Stephanie is paralyzed, how could she try to strangle Brooke? The arms were working fine then. It was just a few hours ago.

[@elaineellard5848]

She’s only paralyzed on one side. Didn’t you listen to the doctor??

[@elaineellard5848]

Haha! Brooke was never “young and innocent”!! 😂😂😂

[@annlavine3576]

brook innocent hahahahahahahahahahahahahh

[@-Lily7415]

Katie you will share and feel Brookes joy too When you sleep with and marry Thorne 😂

[@marymason2499]

Whattttt

[@-Lily7415]

@@marymason2499 Yes! Years later and this will blow your mind too…A few years before that she gets engaged to Ridge !

[@marymason2499]

@@-Lily7415 omg

[@heatherhughes840]

And then years later she'll sleep with Deacon and then Dollar Bill who she also says is her soul mate and knows her like nobody else.😂

[@lil_jon411]

And not to mention Nick, who, surprisingly…is another relative of ridges. I’m truly surprised she never went after Massimo that way she would have been with all his male family members

[@heatherhughes840]

I agree with you and I don't know how I forgot Nick. She didn't want anyone to have him but her.

[@hulabird11]

We have all said dumb things like that when we think we are in love! 😂

[@annieo6527]

*The battle of the narratives* The two narratives on the show are really starting to col lide now. First there's the "old narrative" - the truth as seen by Stephanie and almost everyone else on the show. Then there's the "new narrative" - the truth as seen by Brooke and Thorne. Stephanie literally _can't handle_ the new narrative. She doesn't remember it, and it mustn't even be mentioned around her. Eric is trying to uphold the old narrative for Stephanie's sake, telling Thorne how wrong he is and that his relationship with Brooke must end. Brooke, on the other hand, is fig h ting for the new narrative. She has Storyteller ambitions as shown by her frequent statements of "nothing/no one can change this", but at the same time she keeps saying that she didn't "set out" to do this, indicating that she is controlled by her _id_ rather than her _e go._ Brooke's conversation with Katie is significant because it is a way for Brooke to almost break the fourth wall and speak directly _to the viewer._ Katie is, in fact, like us. She is an observer who has a lot of doubts about what is happening, and Brooke is trying to win her over. Brooke even addresses the elephant in the room - her past relationship with Eric - and explains how her relationship with Thorne is "different" (even though it actually isn't), in an attempt to obscure that connection and make this new romance more viable. The contrast between the new and the old narrative is perfectly summarized in the dialogue between Eric and Thorne, where Eric says that Thorne _thinks_ he's in love, and Thorne replies that he _knows_ he's in love. Both these statements can't be true at the same time, and this is at the core of the tension between the show's two parallel narratives. They can't both win.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Great analysis Annie! This has everything I love -- competing narratives, id vs ego, storyteller ambitions. 🙂 I like your point about Brooke being caught in-between, trying to drive the plot but also taken along for the ride. That dichotomy has always been true to her character: she's always been active and trying to make things happen, to be as "bold" as Stephanie, but she also believes in Destiny.

[@annieo6527]

@@NewYorkNick0607 thank you Nick! Another thing that occurred to me after reading your post was how, in keeping with the "double narrative", Thorne and Brooke's romance both _is and isn't_ in character. Taking their character histories into account, it _isn't_ plausible that Thorne and Brooke would actually be in love, but it _is_ in character for them to _mistakenly believe_ that they are in love, when in reality it's all about Ridge and the Forrester family (since this is a pattern both of them have followed in the past - Brooke with Eric, and Thorne with Caroline and Taylor). This is a strong point in favor of the "old narrative" - it is the only one that keeps Brooke and Thorne somewhat _in character._ This read explains Brooke's "love" for Thorne better than it explains Thorne's feelings, however. Brooke is naturally rebounding because she _can't have_ Ridge (it's like when he married Caroline). Thorne, on the other hand, _already has_ Macy (even though when he first kissed Brooke it was a reaction to him believing that Macy wouldn't marry him). He really has no reason to fall for Brooke - unless she actually _is_ the "Siren" of Greek mythology.

[@daliaelkhatib1726]

Thorne is being stubborn and stupid too Brooke doesnot love him she is bored besides she has tried all Forrester men why not him

[@annieo6527]

Brooke was "fig h ting for _Taylor's_ approval"? That's kind of difficult to get from a wife when you are pursuing their husband.

[@andream5998]

That goes also for Stephanie. How insane is it for Brooke to say she fought for Stephanies approval after she slept with Stephanies husband, got pregant by him, was the reason he left her and tore apart her family, took her company away and many other things. Brooke is a narcisstic Psychopath, she clear has lost her last working brain cells.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

She's right about the _fighting_ part.

[@marymason2499]

They’re gonna mess around and give Eric a stroke

[@-Lily7415]

Stephanie’s Dr looks so familiar.Was he a main character on another Soap?

[@hollowman290]

He is actor Scott Palmer who played Tim Sullivan on Y&R. He was Traci Abbott's ex.

[@-Lily7415]

@@hollowman290 Thank you! Tim on Y&R that’s it !

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

11:28 🤣🤣🤣 🥝💚🖤

[@brindhanandakumar995]

While i understand that Ridge and Eric have no moral right to tell Thorne to end his relationship with Brooke ... but this situation is serious ... Stephanie s life is in danger ... she cant risk another stroke ... best thing for Thorne would be to leave town ... lie low for some time ... and give time to Stephanie to accept that there is no other option !

[@antoinettefriloux6658]

In need of a therapist

[@marn25]

19:08 Ridge is enjoying that for some reason, like a villain.

[@babs4848]

Your post underlines the hypocrisy of Ridge and Eric but never the insanity of Brooke. Because she has lost it completely. And also she will never truly love anybody from now on, Ridge and children included.

[@scor66]

@@babs4848Brooke’s always loved herself the most! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@marn25]

@@babs4848 The main insanity of Brooke (so far) is that she takes Ridge's waffling. She says at 11:00 that vulnerability and insecurity is a part of the past. As a Brooke fan I am happy for her at the moment because she has put him behind (for now). And that is what all Brooke haters wanted her to do and also many Brooke lovers. And she is doing just that. And she is with someone who puts her first. Regardless if it will not work out, and regardless that he is "another" Forrester.

[@annieo6527]

@@marn25 but the thing is, this new relationship of Brooke's comes at the expense of many other people, whose suffering she is indifferent to. The cost of Brooke's happiness is _very high_ here, and a lot of innocent people had to pay that prize. Stephanie literally almost died because of the news, and still Brooke's main concern is not for Stephanie's health, but how to keep her relationship with Thorne going _in spite of_ Stephanie's health problems, and in spite of the very real risk that Stephanie might die as a result. Macy genuinely loves Thorne and was engaged to him while Brooke pursued him. She has done nothing to deserve the pain Brooke's and Thorne's relationship will cause her, and she is not even being given enough information to deal with the situation. Thorne believes that Brooke is in love with him, and when he realizes he was her second choice, it will be too late and he will deeply regret their relationship, and how it cost him the woman who actually loved him. Brooke's children, and especially Bridget, will have a very difficult time accepting their mother's relationship with their _other_ brother. The entire Spectra family will be completely destroyed by the consequences of the Brooke/Thorne relationship. Even Brooke _herself_ will end up realizing that Thorne was never her soulmate. This is not a healthy relationship. This is a wr e cki ng b all.

[@elia-n9h]

thorne questo e un bravo attore, bello, sexy

[@lindazollman]

Brooke 🤮