Bold and the Beautiful - 2003 (S16 E97) FULL EPISODE 3983

[@annieo6527]

The Sally/Stephanie scene where both of them reflect on their own mortality was nice. And it highlighted a difference in their parenting styles - Stephanie wants to act on behalf of her children, Sally trusts her children to make their own decisions.

[@TriniT21]

Yes. But both want their children to be happy. Brooke can't join this convo, however, bc her parenting style is to use her children for her own happiness.

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

​@@TriniT21you beat me to it.

[@heathercook3905]

Sally is a far better mother and person.

[@annieo6527]

"Isn't that the same argument _Brooke_ used to Iure you away from me?" Touché. I loved how Macy called out Thorne on using Brooke's methods.

[@larryfrazier5925]

Exactly..such a hypocrite.. He's not the angel he thinks he is

[@TriniT21]

Good to know being flung from a car explosion hasn't altered Macy's memory...

[@francoisekoko6068]

Always a pleasure seeing Sally and Stéphanie interacting

[@MiriamStigsdotter]

The scene with Stephanie and Sally discussing mortality was heartfelt. Even more, thinking of the fact that Darlene Conley passed away 4 years later💔💔

[@-Lily7415]

Thorne and Ridge both just say what sounds good. Thorne tells Macy that he’s been thinking about her everyday for 2 years when he didn’t even remember the Anniversary of her supposed death

[@larryfrazier5925]

True.. She was happy for years without him. Then out of nowhere he arrogant thinks she can't live without him

[@Wyldee2025]

Dude reminds me so much of Wyatt, I can't unsee it when i look at him 😂

[@kellymcquay2626]

Me too,

[@Marian-gt3zn]

Lol! I thought it was just me 😅😂

[@dolareastar]

16:52 😂 i dont fancy this Lorenzo character, but his brutal honesty upfront without filter is a refreshing change from subtle chats the others do. Very much like Avengers DRAX

[@TriniT21]

Thorne has a set of 🏀🏀 on him.... Not him talking about the dreams he and Macy had together for a family, when he was the one who threw away those dreams for that nightmare Brooke. And b4 that he threw it away running after Taylor who didn't even want him. Thorne was always obssessed over Macy whenever he couldn't have her.

[@annieo6527]

Yep. Macy was talking about children but Thorne was too busy thinking about Brooke. She should have just gone ahead and had a kid on her own without Thorne before it was too late.

[@FayeIL]

Ok, I'll admit it: I laughed at Rudy's joke about the "boner-fide hit." Growing up with all brothers and male cousins will make one appreciate that kind of lowbrow humor. The Sally and Stephanie scene was lovely. I particularly enjoyed Stephanie's, "Is the queen receiving?". It was a nice hint at the reversal of their positions (Stephanie needs something from Sally now), because Sally always called Stephanie the queen.

[@annieo6527]

I noticed that line too, and Macy saying "some things never change" when it was _actually_ a role reversal.

[@annieo6527]

What makes me laugh is how Rudy actually seems to take _artistic pride_ in that tape. 😂

[@ministryofwrongthink9847]

Too bad Macy wont stick to her convictions. Make him go look for the family mattress

[@Html962]

Macys only conviction is to the Bottle!

[@SuzanneAllen-ne2nr]

@@Html962 The only thing Brooke sticks to is the mattress when there's enough com on he r.

[@annieo6527]

​@@Html962let's see... She drank in 1993, and again in 2000. Other than that, she was sober.

[@sharonstewart4882]

@@SuzanneAllen-ne2nr I'm dying! 🤣🤣

[@catherinefohl9519]

Been watching this show from day one that it aired in nineteen eighty seven and actually stopped watching after Susan Flannery, Stephanie, and Ron Moss, original Ridge, left the show for many years. I feel like I've grown up with the cast as I am close in age with KKL. Started watching again the current episodes and I have to say it is definitely not the same since those two and Tylo Hunter left. There are just certain characters you just can't replace. As far as Amber goes, she creates her own problems. Has she not learned anything about lying. As far as brook is concerned, did she really think Ridge would never find out about Hope even though it didn't take him long to forgive Brooke down the road. The show definitely turned into the Hope show once they turned her into a eighteen year old overnight from a young toddler as I am watching episodes from that time on also. I'm not sure about anyone else but I find myself skipping through certain storylines now on the older episodes and the newer ones.

[@PaulBonds-k2r]

"You the one who has trouble letting her children make their own decisions... " Sally

[@shannon2691]

I loved that line and Stephanie couldn’t deny it 😂

[@babs4848]

We can say also that the"I've told you" t-shirt is around the corner each time her children behaved as they please no matter how hard Stephanie tried to dissuade them.

[@larryfrazier5925]

@PaulBonds-k2r yes macy was grown.. She made her own choice to remain in Europe for years and then out of nowhere Sally decides. That's the wrong choice that she has to come back .. She did not have to remain in California. She couldn't just went back to the home. She made for a self and her mother could have just visited her whenever she wanted.

[@TriniT21]

​@@babs4848Steph knows her children got Eric's brains, so she has to think for them too.

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

​@@babs4848 let's not forget that Stephanie allowed Kristen to make major decisions by herself just last. Because Kristen is a lot more mature now.

[@ministryofwrongthink9847]

Eric is going to be watching that tape for science purposes of course

[@babs4848]

18:46 "Little" Rick is shocked because Amber usually doesn't "sound" like this when they are together 😂

[@TriniT21]

Research purposes only 🧐

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

​@@babs4848😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@carerforever2118]

Macy needs to get a restraining order. Otherwise, Throne ain't gonna leave her alone.

[@VjAdrasaVideos]

she loves thorne

[@larryfrazier5925]

@@VjAdrasaVideos She loved him before it looked Where that got her

[@larryfrazier5925]

@@carerforever2118 Thorn is obsessed

[@jonfoerster]

So nice to see a beautiful woman in the thumbnail again after all those ghastly closeups of Brooke! 🤢 The camera loves Macy.

[@kg4025]

I don't even care what she wears or what her haircut is, Macy is stunning! Plus she's so likeable and can sing!

[@francescofabbri7454]

What an obsession for Brooke you seem to have. Maybe because she's she most beautiful and the most important character of this show??

[@babs4848]

​@@francescofabbri7454for who? I know, the writer..He really loves Brooke's character

[@ambika66681]

​@@francescofabbri7454🤢😂🤣😂

[@dinagillette1625]

Remember when Thorne was framed for murder and while he was in jail Macy and Darla worked to expose Anthony who was the real killer? That was good suspense

[@lil_jon411]

Macy should have let him rot and be done with him.

[@annieo6527]

Only goes to show how lucky Thorne was to have her, and what an absolute fooI he was to let her go for _Brooke._

[@kayschultz4113]

Thorne is nuts; proposing to Macy, while she's already married. (Sounds like a Logan thing). Thorne sure didn't think about Macy when he was tonguing Brooke. Macy's husband was upfront to Stephanie, it was a nice change.

[@annieo6527]

It's even more strange because he's proposing to her, while she's already married, _to him._ (because her marriage to Lorenzo isn't legal)

[@babs4848]

​@@annieo6527 I wonder if Macy, who is the one who didn't sign the papers will come aware of that technicality. Because Thorne, who was so entitled to be at her funeral as her husband, sure can't. Too much for his mind.

[@VjAdrasaVideos]

@@annieo6527 exactly i wonder why no one havent mention yet

[@annieo6527]

@@babs4848 actually, Thorne is the one who will figure it out. I wonder if Macy remembers that night very clearly or if she has bIocked some of it out because she really should be able to recall not signing those papers considering she set fire to them.

[@michaswacha2310]

Also thought of this, aren’t Macy and Thorne still legally married?

[@cate9472]

18:44 Eric's thinking:"I knew she was talented. I knew it" 😅

[@PaulBonds-k2r]

Macy used the mattress words she said to Thorne

[@Pete_Murphy_Love]

Macy give up the act with ol wax face with a bad 1996 boy band hair cut. Nobody believes you love him 😂

[@jamesh4426]

Thorne is so sweet getting down on one knee. Nice to see a normal non-incestuous couple on this show again. But poor Amber, these writers keep screwing up her life. If she had a sex tape it would've come out long ago. Let Amber live her life already.

[@notgivinup]

I love the friendship between Sally & Stephanie.

[@MariaPerez-sb1xp]

I can't believe they still played actual tapes in this era (as in VHS). Nowadays, that's just a saying ("play the tape") which is explained through history classes for this generation in high school. Just realize how the average 12 year old doesn't even know what a casette tape is. Gosh, are we getting old or what?

[@larryfrazier5925]

@MariaPerez-sb1xp 📼 at that time Was just about dead...

[@christinaredhead8771]

Thorne go away... I can't stand Thorne!

[@TriniT21]

He is annoying me so much

[@danijelabogdanic3554]

Lip combo looks great on Amber❤

[@MariaPerez-sb1xp]

I always thought it was weird how Stephanie adored Macy, while she resented her mother at the same time.

[@andream5998]

Stephanie hasn't resented Sally for years not anymore. Stephally are sort of friends for years at this point. They might sometimes have their little honest talks and Sally tends to go after Stephanie's leftovers, but at the core their already have warmed up enormously with one another. I don't think Stephanie resents Sally not anymore. In the beginning yes she did, but I think since the middle of the 90s they are becoming more and more good accaintance and at the end very good friends. They have their competion came regards the busisness everyone now and than, but other than that they are often more friendly with one another than not.

[@Html962]

Steph has always been fake and phony like her favourite Taylor.

[@kymdp1969]

Stephanie did not have the love for Macy she has now until Thorne became involved with Brooke. Stephanie hid at their first wedding as she was not happy Thorne and Macy were marrying.

[@msrain1235]

Stephanie didn't like either Taylor or Macy, but she grew to love both of them like daughters. Even though it's the dislike for Brooke that brought them together, they became friends. I also liked Stephanie and Sally's friendship.

[@annieo6527]

Already before Thorne and Macy's first wedding, Stephanie spoke highly of Macy even as she disapproved of the marriage. She told Macy that she had many admirable traits and that any mother would be happy to have her as a daughter-in-law, but that because of the rivalry between the families, Stephanie couldn't see the marriage working. Stephanie's disapproval of Thorne's marriage to Macy was never anything personal against Macy.

[@PaulBonds-k2r]

They saw the 📼 😂

[@Wyldee2025]

😂 And Eric wasn't even trying to look away😂

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@Wyldee2025 😂 Eric's making a personal copy

[@Wyldee2025]

@@NewYorkNick0607 Yes I'm sure the ole goat is 😂

[@babs4848]

​@@NewYorkNick0607he is so in character 😂

[@TriniT21]

​@@Wyldee2025😂😂

[@redvelvet2071]

Macy should stay with Lorenzo.....Thorne doesn't deserve another chance after what he did with Brooke !

[@annieo6527]

Lorenzo isn't really a good choice either - he comes across as controIIing.

[@larryfrazier5925]

@@annieo6527 true

[@larryfrazier5925]

@@redvelvet2071 Thorn a joke.. He moved heaven and earth to divorce macy 2 b with brooke.. All of this devotion to macy went down the toilet when he was obsessed with brooke.

[@TriniT21]

@@redvelvet2071 nah, lorrenzo obssessed and controlling too (like Omar).. Macy should stay by herself. The best person they ever had Macy with, was Grant Chambers.

[@annlavine3576]

Rudy is clueless

[@jarrodakelsaw]

I feel Brooker would have been needed for this episode. She used to spreading it far and wide for an audience.

[@andream5998]

Wow, some people in the comment section are really losing it over their favorite matress. Brookehoe (nor kkl) have never been the star of b&b or heroine.

[@ambika66681]

There's always one delusional stan 😂

[@Html962]

Now that Eric is gone Brooke is the last OG of that show. Telling that she is not star of that show, tell me again who is losing it and is delusional 😅

[@34Jackson]

@@Html962 Yo u need to get yo ur head out of Brooke's cont

[@annieo6527]

​@@Html962that is just it. This show _shouldn't_ have a star. It's an ensemble show. If one character is treated like the "star" that is actually a bad thing.

[@babs4848]

What can they say? We notice discrepancies and distortions. Brooke's character couldn't be a loved one for half and more of the viewers. At least the half part which stopped watching with some commitment to the show after this season the first time it was aired. It is too obvious and it is also natural to have a dislike like this. I find the comment section cathartic. Finally we can say what we had thought back then.

[@TheRandomINFJ]

Why do they call this show ".....and the Beautiful" ? Asking for a friend 🤔. We never watched it.

[@BriannaKiser-ig7jj]

Thorne is so full of it you have no right to tell her what to do you been thinking of this for years 😒yeah after brooke didn’t want you no more

[@blackblake3658]

Was this useless male character audition time? Mark Garrison barely has a storyline and now this Rudy dude.

[@Html962]

Macy still plays innocent, while she has had her share of affairs. Cannot even remember the names of these fellas 😅 not to mention her love for the Bottle.

[@lil_jon411]

You can’t remember because they don’t exist.

[@annieo6527]

Her share? She slept with Jake _once._ And that was in 1991.

[@Html962]

Jake, bartender in Bikini, Anthony … etc

[@babs4848]

Annie, the most neutral ( with Nick) poster of the comment section has to reply to some of the nonsense people are saying about Macy. Someone is here to tease all the posters who prefer Macy's character to Brooke's. They don't like competition at all. The only argument they have is to respect Brooke as the star of the show. That's enough for her to be untouchable.

[@annieo6527]

Dating someone is not the same as having an _affair._ The one time that Macy actually had an affair was with Jake, and even then, she che at ed on Thorne emotionally rather than s ex u ally (since the only time she actually slept with Jake was while she and Thorne were separated and he was _also_ considering dating other people - then when she moved back in with Thorne, she was open with him about having seen someone else during their separation, but what she did wrong was that she didn't stop seeing Jake). Macy dated Sly after Thorne had already broken up with her, and Thorne was living with (and sleeping with) Karen at the time, long before Macy first slept with Sly. She dated Anthony after Thorne had (again) separated from her and it was Thorne who _gave his permission_ to Anthony to go after Macy as a kind of "test", at a time when the relationship between Macy and Anthony existed only in Thorne's mind. They (probably) never slept together. And throughout her years on the show, Macy _never once_ showed any interest in a man who was in a relationship with another woman. It is easy to find misdeeds when looking closely enough at a character's history, but one also needs to take into account whether these actions are _exceptions_ or part of a _pattern._ A character is defined not just by their actions but by how _frequently_ they do these actions. Having affairs is something that characters like Macy, Taylor, Bridget and Stephanie may do _once._ But having affairs and pursuing married men is one of Brooke's _fundamental, defining_ character traits.