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[@BOLDcast]

We give a bit of criticism in this ep, but make no mistake! We're still very interested to see where things are going! Check out our reaction to ep 3 on patreon right now!

[@natanaru]

There was criticism ? I must have zoned out during that part. This series is great, the art in the manga is amazing, and mappa really plays with it well.

[@shinramune9002]

​@@natanaru they have to say its like this because some dumb people will go ape mode in the comments. Especially not long time subscribers

[@tristensanz7058]

I think you misunderstood the point of them getting condemned criminals, it's not that they're disposable (though they are) it's that they are "loyal" (as in they know they'll be killed if they don't do it so they aren't likely to betray the Shogun) that goes out the window if they don't have the executioners tho

[@shinramune9002]

@@tristensanz7058The Shogun even reached out to the Iwagakure (Gabimaru's Village) already for replacements. Yeah executioners are kinda like their watchdogs keeping em check. But they didn't know what was waiting for them on the island.

[@BOLDcast]

@@tristensanz7058 I used the word "disposable" because that's the word that the shogun used

[@sirperybLakeney]

Hi Carson, I know you said you didn't want an explanation but you do actually need one because you're wrong about this. The Yamada Asaemon, who are a real historical clan of executioners, are being sent because they are also viewed as expendable. In traditional Japanese culture beheading criminals was seen as impure (which was a really bad thing). As a result, even though they serve the Shogun, the Yamada Asaemon are ronin not samurai because they are willing to do a task any samurai would view as beneath them and as unclean. They were not given the status of samurai (as a result officially the Shogun is not recognized as their master -so their impurity doesn't rub off on him). That's why those kids were stoning Sagiri in the flashback. The Yamada Asaemon are outcasts from normal society. Even though they are highly skilled, the authorities regard them as scum and expendable. There's actually a classic manga about the Yamada Asaemon called Samurai Executioner which is by Koike and Kojima, the team who created the legendary Lone Wolf and Cub. Anyway, the point is that the Japanese audience would be expected to know that so there wasn't any need to explain it. Hope that helps.

[@porkfatrules6025]

Great insight here. Thanks for this!

[@simplyrohith2163]

Lindsay is absolutely correct. Gabimaru is absolutely notorious criminal. That was why the Shogunate tried soany things to kill him and finally got an Asaemon to do the job😂. When he was caught it could be that the information about him has been made public.

[@cedricmichaud552]

The reason why there was this fight in the show I think was that the shogun wanted to see a fight to the death. The narrative reason was so they could show Sagiri's doubt and fear of killing, and showing the Gabimaru way of "handling" the killing.

[@shinramune9002]

Man i love Beach episodes in anime

[@pranjoshi]

Yeah, the sunsets are always beautiful in these episodes.

[@Gojo6-ice]

yep sunset with bloodbath❤️😍

[@Official-OpenAI]

To the shogunate, samurais are nothing but pawns to where he can sacrifice to get what he wants, so it actually would make sense that he would send them over along with the criminals. I thought it was common sense.

[@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483]

i think they kinda got it, the show even made it VERY clear the shogun is an idiot so he doesn't care who goes lol

[@muhammedashfaaqkp6579]

Then why send criminals? Just send the elite executioners? Now that they are with criminals, it's gonna affect their potential as well.

[@kenzalethomas1891]

Just want to say I enjoy your reactions. Your questions might be slightly answered in the next episode. Sometimes answers just come a little later in the series. I think that's a great way to keep a viewer engaged and guessing. Great reaction as always you two.

[@alexfielding7191]

You can see it as forced nudity but I see it as a metaphor for vulnerability.

[@kittykat896]

I see it as her humanity being violated by going against humanity itself and in trying to cut oneself off from natural human emotions

[@greenmatrix5303]

gabimaru is naked too lmao...

[@envybe248]

Dunno if you guys know this yet but the author of Hells paradise was one of Tatsuki fujimoto's (Chainsaw man author) assistants. He helped fujimoto with his early series called "Fire punch". Some of Fujimoto's other famous assistants are the authors of Spy x Family and Dandadan (which currently does not have an anime)

[@exposureeee]

My headcanon is that they're sending the Asaemon on the mission to ensure that the criminals don't keep the elixer for themselves after they find it lol. Edit: I phrased this poorly the first time.

[@shinramune9002]

As a manga reader its something like that

[@cedricmichaud552]

I thought it was common sense that these Yamada Asaemon are there so a bandit don't run away with the Elixir of Life.

[@verols335]

It’s not a question why they’re sending asaemon with the criminal, question is why you send seemingly disposable criminal cuz you don’t care if they die or not AND asaemon with them, at this point just send asaemon which you assume stronger than criminals anyway since they’re suppose to kill them if they misbehave and have them find it without added tension of having to look after criminals

[@shinramune9002]

@@verols335 he said "choose expendable people for the next expedition".

[@kittykat896]

There's actually a reason why that these Asaemon were chosen to accompany the criminals which is a separate motive than just finding the elixir and making sure the criminals don't take it.

[@mimiAnime1]

i know you said to not explain ig LMFAO but as a non-manga reader i did not really think they wanted blood to be shown. this was more so to show that the shogun is not the most “holy” or “good” person that some might think. even in the dialogue he says something like “i always wanted to see a bloody brawl” not the exact quotation but you get it lol. even one of the samurai people said “what’s the point” so i think the author is ‘indirectly’ telling you that this is not just a reason to show “blood and gore” but to establish that the shogun is not a good person but he’s leading a whole bunch of samurai’s lol. plus, i think from what is shown in the anime so far it seems this authors style is a more indirect teller and not ‘im going to give you everything in summary and explain everything to you’ and it will be shown through dialogue of characters. that’s just how i viewed it though lol.

[@HelenaSan425]

Bell from Danmachi looking Grumpy as hell lmao

[@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483]

lmao, and his wife is a blond like a certain level 6 adventurer

[@yoman7873]

They are sending the Asaemon's there because what if one of the criminals acquired the Elixir and used it themselves. The Asaemon's are their to ensure that the Elixir gets to the Shogun and is not used by the criminals.

[@cariocabrabo1015]

I dont know why you guys think that this executioners samurais are not dispensable too.Samurais exist to serve the will of the Lord.

[@ahmadillo1752]

Well, this is feudal japan. Since the shogun word is law, and the shogun has this selfish desire for the elixir, then he's probably not thinking logically. He doesn't care, he's clearly dumb. I just think of Gabimarus appearance being known in that world as being similar to the John wick universe. The killers know of each other, but that doesn't mean that civilians know what he looks like. Killers know killers

[@ryanpalyo8181]

9:30 I wouldn't consider this to be iffy logic. The criminals want to live and escape, so if you just drop them off on the island and leave there's no incentive for them to look for the elixir. They'd either do nothing or try to build a raft and leave on their own. At that point it'd make more sense to just execute the criminals and put together an elite unit of warriors to send instead, but as you said they don't want to risk to many important people. Hence the small group of Asaemon. You don't want heinous criminals to escape back into society, so you send a small group to watch over them, that are strong enough to survive the criminals themselves and the potential hazards of the island.

[@Saprana]

Gabimaru is a very interesting Shounen MC

[@Zonca2]

I didn't interpret the Shogun as thinking that up on the spot at all, I think it was clearly planned like this from the beginning have 10 Asaemon take 10 criminals, find out and test who is talented and please sadistic shogun with a battle, they already knew few criminals who were notorious, but hey why not find out who else is good and if the famous ones are worth the story, Shogun just told the guy to hurry up with the deathmatch, kinda shame that so much of the discussion is overtaken by a misunderstanding I feel.

[@karasuma_seiichiro]

The story is set in the Edo period, which had 200+ years of peace. As you can imagine, the value of a warrior is low when there are no wars to fight. Hence, as great swordsmen as the Asaemon clansmen were, their lives didn't amount to much if it meant securing the success of such a high important mission. Besides, they need people to put a leash on the criminals or they run away with the loot

[@TheAnanthvarma]

Love your videos mostly guys. Just one constructive piece of criticism: Give the show a few episodes to explain itself before thinking they're burdening you to figure out. Things will explain themselves in time, that's what makes anime interesting :) I feel if you consume the content for the first 3 episodes of any show you watch and then start predictions and speculations, you'll be making informed guesses which would make the viewing experience for all us watchers much better :) Hope you guys keep up the good work

[@scarletnach2952]

They explain next episode with the Yamada clan as the Shogun doesn't care about anyone and uses whoever.

[@avvalyn9]

I had the same criticism watching this episode. In Blue Lock, for example, the main characters in the story have the title card things showing their name & rank. The fight in this episode was just another way to show who the main characters of the story are instead of just listing them from a file, getting a title card, etc.

[@omiku9103]

Some of the people who read the manga said that it would have been better if they were in this episode for ep2 and 3, or even the middle of ep3.We might have gotten a little more information that way. Of course, I'm happy that the anime carefully depicts the emotions of the characters.Also, the battle royale of these death row prisoners is because of the stupid general 😂 Gabimaru was also reluctant to go all the way to Edo. Your impressions are genuine impressions of enjoying the story☺️ I use a translator, sorry.

[@rin195]

yeah i'm not going to a mysterious place that turns people into flowers AND look after a criminal. 😭😂😅

[@swapnarupbarua4668]

Hagemaru be like:- XRAY VISION ON

[@kittykat896]

If you've watched the next episode you should probably know now why the Yamada clan were chosen to accompany the criminals. But if not, there is a reason why, in where it puts an extra layer in the motivation for the Yamada chosen for this mission, and it's revealed in episode 3 Also, there's only 5 criminals who have red seals. They planned for 10 criminals to go to the island. Meaning that even if they expected all 5 red seals to be going, they needed 5 more criminals to choose from. Lastly, y'all do remember that in episode 1 that it started off with an unreliable narrative that gets revealed by the end of the episode in Gabimaru's back story, right? That really should've set the expected precedent for people going forward, in that to not take everything at surface level and be suspicious about things being stated by characters just at face value. Like, come on, now. If something doesn't seem to add up, it might not be a plot hole, it might be more unreliable narratives. 😒🙄😏 This is actually a common writing tactic used in many storytelling mediums. ....but I guess maybe not used ENOUGH in shonen, that those who watch a lot of it, can't fathom a shonen story to diverge from the over saturated writing formula that most common battle shonen rely on

[@gacktcbiz]

The "explanations" you seek are all coming, some of them very soon. The Hell's Paradise manga didn't become one of the Dark Trio by being the kind of mediocre Shonen you so clearly dislike (and I am with you on that). Though I am seeing a pattern of react streamers being unreasonably critical of this show (not you specifically). Without going into spoilers: 1) the Shogun clearly does things purely for LOLs, he is not concerned about logic or efficient allocation of personnel or resources 2) the Asaemon have a very good internal reason as to why they want to be involved, as you will see later 3) the Legend of Gabimaru is a very intentional marketing strategy by Iwagakure (as you will see later) .... so no, he is not famous because he doesn't know how to conceal himself. This show does not waste time, things move at a very brisk pace, and many things that are mysterious now are clearly explained later. So don't be in too much of a hurry to criticize this or that for not being explained RIGHT NOW.

[@gacktcbiz]

And your discussion at the end: It's actually very realistic to show that a major government project can be wasteful and poorly managed. The Shogun's chief retainer even thought so himself. The author WANTS you to know that the Shogunate is being stupid.

[@kittykat896]

Right? I've been seeing this criticism a lot and I'm just like..... Y'all do remember that in episode 1 that it started off with an unreliable narrative that gets revealed by the end of the episode in Gabimaru's back story. That really should've set the expected precedent for people going forward, in that to not take everything at surface level and be suspicious about things being stated by characters just at face value. Like, come on, now. If something doesn't seem to add up, it might not be a plot hole, it might be more unreliable narratives. 🙄 This is actually a common writing tactic used in many storytelling mediums. ....but I guess maybe not used ENOUGH in shonen, that those who watch a lot of it, can't fathom a shonen story to diverge from the over saturated writing formula that most common battle shonen rely on

[@gacktcbiz]

@@kittykat896 Exactly. Some of these criticisms from react streamers leave me scratching my head. Are we even watching the same show? And a few react streamers are so concerned about "this show better not be another typical Shonen" that they are completely missing the fact that this show is exactly what they say they want (ie, not a typical Shonen). And as you said, all this should have been abundantly clear after Ep1.

[@Alizma90]

I re-read the manga and around Chapter 90-something, there’s a panel about how the shogun just sees this whole ordeal as entertainment otherwise he would’ve sent Shugen to the island to begin with or something like that.

[@gacktcbiz]

@@Alizma90 yup, I just didn't want to go into specific details in case there are people who are anime-only reading this thread

[@alejandrodiazmera2650]

I think if you see how the scenery is set up by the shogun it is pretty clear nothing has been thought out properly before taking action (not the story itself but the people in it that hold high positions. I mean, you see something beautiful, think it's paradise and then go there for the Life Elixir. Yeah, sure buddy. Maybe they don't even care not only for the prisoners but the executioners too and they think that they have bulls, oil and fire, enough to kill all of our criminals). Well, enough rambling by my side.

[@elbandito2990]

I mean the Shogun could have 100% had this planned out, there was only 1 boat and 10 executioners. id assume the samurai around him had no idea, hence why the one called it stupid. It was more than likely just sick excuse to get rid of death row inmates, and to see the 10 red seals in action. I can 100% understand why you guys would think that though.

[@BinSensei94]

Any questions that you might have will be answered in the future sooner or later.

[@Akhmed_2004]

The main reason is stupidity of Shogun.

[@anuj_4015]

👍

[@Idc69892]

❤

[@Sargon890]

4:12

[@Sargon890]

5:35

[@blazergiu2139]

yo

[@spc48]

Cost effective😐

[@jambi.z]

guys, what happened to hxh :C ???

[@itsTanK69]

❤❤