Deepwoken's Voidwalker Problem, AND How to Fix it!

[@naeemnom4082]

If you are in pvp combat you do not gain a health pack from any mob or npc you knock (pvp combat being the red skull and pve combat being blue skull)

[@speedlife735]

It used to be the same as blue in verse 1 where I think u could get a hp pack from a mob Or just the same color 😂

[@iamverylucky]

totaletreandeath!

[@darkmatter9643]

@@speedlife735 in verse one there was no difference between pve and pvp combat tags

[@Slzerot]

Time code for the error: 13:11

[@meam2932]

There were no difference in the icon but the PvP combat was still there cause u still wouldn’t healthpack after being hit by a player

[@historicflame972]

If you want to know why the obtainment is so screwed, it's because it was co-designed by ragoozer, who is known for loving his previous project Rogue Lineage, a bit too much, a game which basically was the Voidwalker obtainment for 37 different classes, with the added middle finger of you being near incapable of getting lives back, so if you died as a base level you'd never get that life back unless you got luck/had exploits and was artifact hunting. He's known for actually incentivising toxicity, as it's what worked in Rogue, to the point that he almost suggested an item that upon use would send your enemies to the Depths and let you follow them and wipe them, it did get added in the end but it's been reduced to the point that it's not nearly as offensive.

[@speedlife735]

Yeah it was so dumb

[@Kool-AidDealer]

they did actually add the voidspire though 😭😭😭

[@Lyk6i]

not gonna lie this shit got me crying laughing 😂🤣 bros evil

[@alen448]

Average Ragoozer L. Remember when he added the nigh-unkillable 2 bars per hit corrupted bone keeper WITH HP REGEN for slots with many drowns? Yea shit STILL SUCKS and people STILL wait for the danger timer to log

[@1XRJ]

this is peak gaming content ong

[@imaginite2349]

My only thing with Voidwalkers is that they purposefully choose to target low levels because they know its less of a bother. And on top another thing I hate is that one voidwalker would literally bring another voidwalker with them and just jump you for retaliating too long.

[@GojoSandyHandy]

Agreed tbh

[@lossdust5182]

What happened to me is that I was a starter than this voidwalker with a green name went after me and I left the game and chose another server and guess what the weirdo followed me there and killed me 2 times and got sent to the depths and started all over again

[@YouHaveAnApeHead]

I was fighting 4 threshers at starswept valley, and as I was about to kill them 2 voidwalkers jump me, its really irritating. I also got jumped by a power 20 void walker with a bell when I was lvl 2 at lower erisia. Voidwalkers are the most annoying part about deepwoken honestly, i liked it better when I was gripped for luck instead of some shit reward.

[@ignite5407]

Like honestly they shouldn't be able to gank players IN COMBAT, there's way too many times where I've been PvEing and fighting some mob (lets say a thresher at level 11 on hive) And when I'm about to end the fight, either by killing the thresher or dying some random pulls up when I'm low and obviously destroys me because I dont have eyes on my back and I GET PUNISHED FOR DYING?

[@sano_ontop]

@@lossdust5182why was that one sentence

[@penguaplayz]

it is nice to know a dev team is listening to his criticism to make the game better for once

[@speedlife735]

True,you always need to know the bad parts of your game to fix them.Not the good parts.

[@alen448]

@@K-ream He's probably referring to the fact that the devs of this game are deaf as fuck for the most part not listening to anyone who spits straight facts on yt except for a few individuals and even then its not consistent, and have made tons of terrible changes over the months

[@spewdle4739]

@@K-ream I would say its more making the game more enjoyable for most players and not so much about avoiding permadeath. Game would totally be more fun for voidwalkers if they had a bunch more contracts in every server and their targets are less inclined to log. I would say that this benefits newer players more than it does experienced players trying to gank people but thats also an integral part in keeping the game alive and well - if theres no new playerbase playing deepwoken the game would just eventually die

[@goldenviper554]

I was gonna agree with you @alen448 but you clearly have not been invested in the deepwoken community if you think the devs are deaf. There are certain things that the devs will be stubborn on things they wont be. I've seen plenty of ideas that content creators recommend and now have been added into the game. If you dont have the popularity of a content creator you can do a few things to gain access to the recommendations channel so you can give ideas to the game devs. And @K-ream If you saw his last video, he said that perma death wasn't a bad thing and it encourages new players to try different things (Or at least I'm very positive that he said that). And I think not getting tainted when killed by a voidwalker is a decent idea. Because most of the time, voidwalkers have the upper hand even against older players because they'll be minding their own business, maybe half hp and then get attacked. Personally, I think it'd be a good idea to still be tainted, you would just wake up in the same area since (for me) the most major inconvenience is having to travel all the way back. But I wouldn't mind eclipses idea at all. Edit: I literally just watched the conclusion 5 seconds later @alen448 and they're not deaf at all wym lmao

[@alen448]

@@goldenviper554 Im mainly referring to balance changes, such as daggers having the range of a sword, railblade having the attack speed of a spear (no one complains about railblade tho), gale lunge's outrageous hitbox petra's anchor hitting you through vent (and much more), and the fact that pvp has become more of a the more minmaxed broken build wins. And for example here, this voidwalker problem did not exist. They created it. If you didnt want to get jumped by a voidwalker, you used to go voidwalker too since they couldnt hunt each other. You had a slower prog but no voidwalkers. Now the only way to dodge them is to grind eylis rep. Though I have to give it to them that they take concept ideas yes

[@elijahabu-sanu2554]

having void walker encounters not kill the victim is a great idea because it would introduce random pvp to newcomers meaning that newcomers will essentially have a safety net pvp tutorial that introduces them to combat and certain combat scenarios while not having to face the detrimental consequences of not knowing how to pvp in a new game, which would actually make void walkers a "positive evil", sort of comparable to predators in an ecosystem.

[@birblorde4434]

Knowing Deepwoken players, they'll either kill you anyway or give you all their life savings as an apology lol

[@GoldfishSon]

@@birblorde4434Like he said in the video, the voidwalker would get teleported away directly afterwards so that they wouldn’t be able to

[@707vn]

@@GoldfishSon implying some people wouldnt specifically try to knock people off mountains or knock them next to enemy npcs LOL

[@Soul.Resonant]

@@707vnngl that would be their fault for not picking a smarter location

[@GoldfishSon]

@@707vn At that point it would be a skill issue from the person getting invaded for not going to a different location.

[@b0ss771]

I think one fix could be rewards based on Power Level + Player Kills. If a player has killed a ton of other players on one slot, the value of hunting that player is increased because they’ve proved themselves as a worthy hunt. Where players who haven’t killed other players as often and are lower power level’s will give less rewards.

[@chromalite1412]

Wise suggestion. Some lv20 PVE builds who have not killed a single person should not have the same difficulty as a godseeker max pvp build

[@aramdominsect895]

That would probably break early voidwalker progression, since almost everyone who are low leveled are either new or not looking to fight, so the rewards would be miserable. I hate voidwalkers with all my heart but damn...

[@coffeebox2023]

another could be increasing the value/reducing it depending if the voidwalker killed a person with a higher or lower power than them. would encourage killing people your level/higher rather than new players

[@Godvlution]

Also as a tip for new players, the easiest way to get voidwalker is just get your friends to let you kill them in different slots 15 times

[@Samuel-gl4pg]

friends? what is that?

[@Junirules360]

bro thinks extroverts play deepwoken

[@sight4938]

bro think deepwoken players have the option of having "friends"

[@Shadowbirth1]

Oh god no i had a friend do this and they just lost every bounty they found and i personally unlocked voidwalker by killing void walkers and spinning back on gankers and i still lose bountys sometimes voidwalker progression is hard if you suck at bountys the way i became better in pvp was fighting void walkers that come and 1v1ing friends

[@Godvlution]

@@Shadowbirth1 yeah but I’d still do it, ion even do that many bounties the voidheart is just too convenient to have

[@fuzion-ace1163]

I’m absolutely LOVING the deepwoken content. I feel like it really fits him. And it’s much better for his channel focusing on a more popular game

[@speedlife735]

Eclipse THRIVES on criticism so a game like deepwoken that has so many problems, 100% or at least 76% best kinda content for him to do

[@landonrafferty5083]

I gotta agree, fits him extremely well, great critism that might reach the devs that we needed, and just fun content to watch

[@Bobby-_]

The new goat of deepwoken content

[@speedlife735]

​@@Bobby-_maybe

[@landonrafferty5083]

@@Bobby-_ he gonna pull us outta the depths of mid deepwoken content

[@infinitekleal5167]

Encountering a voidwalker as a low lvl is you having 2 options: either run for your life praying that the guy can't catch up to you or some random event happens and you get saved, or die, and 9/10 times it's going to be the second one, which makes it really depressing for people that are actually new to the game and a random lvl 20 with endgame gear appears out of nowhere just to kill you

[@jeffboy4231]

yeah voidwalkers might be the biggest thing that is bad for new player experience. other stuff is meh, you can atleast search it up on the wiki or youtube but voidwalkers isn't a problem you can really counter without becoming really good at pvp (and how are they supposed to do that when they have to fight people ALOT better then them, with better gear and such)

[@monkeycrimson6087]

I am a voidwalker and i myself have many problems with my own origin. Thanks for making this eclipse 🙏

[@Z0M37H1N6]

instead of actually dying to a void walker they could make a feature where they actually take a piece of your soul and you wake up in the same place where you died after a little fragments of self obby, when 4 pieces are taken you lose a life, level up and you get a piece of your soul back, do some kind of hard quest you get a piece of your soul back, etc. etc. this way people wouldn't rage as much when dying to void walkers as they could do one of those quest and get said piece back. freshies and such would have enough time to get loot and such before fighting again and not dying to a normal player and going to depths. voidwalkers get their loot and prog and freshies get to have more fun if anyone could find any kinda flaw in this id honestly like to hear it

[@ignite5407]

This is actually the best idea I've heard, since making voidwalkers just knock you would not incentivize players to fight back, since they just let the voidwalker knock them and then heal up and keep progging as normal Its like a watered down version of the contractor nerf (it sends you to L2 instead of outright wiping you) and it worked pretty well, so I see this as an actually fun mechanic

[@flailthe2952]

Of you level up and lose a life nothing happens because leveling up gives you a life back if your not in depths

[@ignite5407]

@@flailthe2952 Yeah but the issue comes in the form of you not being able to breathe, like everytime I had a voidwalker hunt me, (for example at hive) I get jumped on while fighting something strong (King thresher or sand knight), die instantly, come back and start progging again to get xp to level up, JUST TO GET GANKED AGAIN by another voidwalker, its a never ending cycle and you wont even get close to leveling up if you are on training lock

[@jeffboy4231]

nah, a big reason void walkers are annoying is because of the time block they present this would make this worse and even more annoying, that while you might not die from a voidwalker. they will still become really really really annoying

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

Fun fact. In the early days you got “more lucky” when you killed players, so the starter islands were a complete blood bath. Honestly it’d be much more fun if a void walker didn’t take a life but instead just sent you back to spawn and got a reward, while if they die they also don’t lose a life but their victim gets awarded

[@suzumebachii]

that would be a great solution if it didnt completely contradict what arch mage thinks about no-stakes pvp, wich this is pretty much the definition of, but they could maybe add some sort of penalty to whoever loses (maybe a xp gain decrease for a certain period of time?)

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

@@suzumebachii I mean chime of conflict exists (although it’s fucking terrible IMO why did they hamfist lives into it) If you don’t know it’s the games 1v1 mode but you only have 2 lives (refresh after 24 hours) where if you win you gain one and life you lose you lose one, loosing both and then losing a third game sends you to the depth. Why? Arch mage decided to be annoying that day. Like the loot was kinda ass and the only reason to do it was for resonance prog if you decided to be a nice person and not camp vigil or for fun

[@suzumebachii]

@@theveganduolingobird7349 yeah chime has no reason to exist other than artificially drive people off of overworld pvp (wich is a terrible decison, no clue why arch would ever do it) it TECHNICALLY has stakes (the skulls) but its almost impossible to actually lose anything while playing chime because you can kinda just not play chime and nothing will happend even if you lose 2 games in a row, contrary to overworld pvp where you cant really bypass dying there unless you arent power 20 (ffs arch just remove chime already PLEASE)

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

@@suzumebachii an actual real PVP game mode would be so much better instead of chime, chime will match a level 15 vs a level 20 in a server half way across the world which obviously means the level 15 gets absolutely massacred 9/10 due to ungodly ping

[@disco1528]

that solution can and will definitely be abused by the community. no lives bounties can be abused by having ur friends or alt voidwalker on standby in the server and then when u gank/get ganked if you are in a dire situation like get low, get ur voidwalker friends/alt to hunt you so you wont lose a life plus ur friends/alt gets rewarded for it.

[@Thecatbehindtheslaughtering]

Another thing worth noting is the EXP fall off. At higher levels, you're basically doing a bounty for three points and at even higher, just one point. This is annoying for the Voidwalker, as they do a shart tone of work for no reward, and annoying for the victims, as they watch the same dude come after them 65000 times.

[@LD-dt1sk]

If you are level 19 with simple flaw and hunting 5 star bounties you get 2-3 points. Also you cant go after the same guy for there is a cooldown on victims.

[@idkJuun]

thats universal, everyone gets exp fall off, simply go to the depths and farm.

[@historicflame972]

@@idkJuun You're telling him to go to the Depths and farm On the PvP origin Do you see the issue with that?

[@idkJuun]

You have to go to the depths to farm regardless for all the origins barring Deepbound, I don’t see the problem.

[@historicflame972]

@@worldsandnightmares Unproblematic? I know Arch siad Navae had some of that good stuff but I didn't realise it was that good, pass the blunt at once

[@Godvlution]

Eclipse has turned to a deepwoken KZbinr and I love it

[@totallynotclickbait6114]

Pretty sure this is one of his last videos on it though

[@thehalfzatoichi2869]

welcome to deeptube

[@jeffboy4231]

@@totallynotclickbait6114 don't know why that would be. deepwoken has been one of the more view making video's lately and he seems to like playing deepwoken. so if he continues he might actually finally break free from YBA completly

[@totallynotclickbait6114]

@@jeffboy4231 I’m just saying because deepwoken doesn’t get too much new content and he’s covered the main stuff that would have to be covered, I’m not saying it’s impossible (because for games like Tca he does that bingo stuff and whatnot) but I do think this will be the last one for a while

[@minepikaczu2]

@@totallynotclickbait6114Void tower will release soon

[@dowellz]

When Voidwalker first came out and I got it on day 1 I was legitimately disgusted on how op it can be for not only just killing people, but basic traversal too. Just the fact that you have a hub world you can teleport to is amazing enough.

[@Gustavo-xm2wt]

Guild base exist dawg

[@dowellz]

@@Gustavo-xm2wt that was back when those didnt exist

[@pyroferno4644]

Why u acting like fast travel is a bad thing as if it doesn't already exist with hive + u have to actually voidwalk players to travel

[@Gustavo-xm2wt]

@@pyroferno4644 hive tp + an oath + guild base and resetting + voidwalker + bells

[@krisz9442]

@@pyroferno4644 Cause hive isnt just a tp to anywhere from a hub, its set locations that have it

[@ziyvar5448]

There was an update in June that prevents voidwalker bounties showing up on players who hasn’t reached power 10 on any slot before, I think this should be moved up to either a higher power or unlocking/winning a game in chime.

[@cyberman0321]

I believe it should be power 15, killed a boss, escaped depths trail, and completed some of the basic echo talent quests. This might be too much but trail of one completion. After all of these, a player is more than ready to start handling other players

[@justsomemustachewithoutagu3825]

@@cyberman0321 wtf is wrong with you

[@realshaperio]

dude it's true I made an alt and got voidwalker at 2 hours of gameplay 2 hours. not even enough to get power 20​@@justsomemustachewithoutagu3825

[@qrzone8167]

@@justsomemustachewithoutagu3825 lmao, dude in my first few hours of playing the game I was able to get to power 10 by just being extremely careful. Power 10 is nothing, nobody is ready for PVP at power 10. If anything players should be safe from void walkers until they beat the trial of one, because that's basically a player's certificate of "i'm not a total fucking goober at combat"

[@arbalest327]

Nothing compared to you​@@justsomemustachewithoutagu3825

[@Purpol26]

I think making voidwalkers teleport to the voidheart after knocking the bounty would drastically impact the content creation community, since most of the youtubers like supaa,valekis and basically all of them make voidwalker progressions where the key part about them is the jumpings they deal with, they generate views from this, they even state that they specifically target big groups for the video to not be boring. Also I think the developers are trying to combat the "voidwalker superiority" with giving deepbound players access to ALL the shrines and the Call of The Deep item, also Lone Warrior origin lets you interact with the Shrine of Solitude inside of the Trial of One.

[@giornogiovanna4758]

changing the game or keeping it the same to incentivise pvp just because of content creators is cringe im in the half of the community he mentioned where i believe voidwalking should never have been added because i have a skill issue and die enough to ai, i dont also need players to kill me they can still make voidwalker progressions with jumpings even with the teleport, they just need to deal with the ones that arent the bounty first, or smth

[@speedlife735]

You just get a chest when you knock the bounty instead of having to kill them fully

[@speedlife735]

​@@giornogiovanna4758you are the problem

[@JohnDarkSoulsIII]

So its more important they make vids instead of making it better for all of the community?

[@kyy4878]

they can just add an attack guild option

[@Tibby185]

would genuinely like these changes because people just log or run away and i am no exception

[@speedlife735]

Mmm maybe,sometimes things won't happen for a long time, like how long it took to get a flamecharm mantra😂.

[@ignite5407]

​@@speedlife735Bro who even asked even for a flamecharm mantra? They simply need to balance the ones already at hand before adding more

[@Machinewashere]

One of their most recent "fixes" for voidwalkers being hated is the ability to hunt other voidwalkers, that one really feels like the devs were like "okay fine they can kill eachother shut up"

[@ZxZizzal]

yet its so easy to get neutral rep with etrea and boom u cant be hunted

[@garrettrengoku]

@@ZxZizzal That don't work no more

[@garrettrengoku]

The voidwalker's hunting each other is the most fair game design ever. Now it might not make sense lore wise but people that live for pvp can fight other people that live for pvp. Perfect balance.

[@ZxZizzal]

@@garrettrengokubro I did it an hour ago

[@garrettrengoku]

@@ZxZizzal It doesn’t work tho? You just must be lucky not to get voidwalked because it’s stated you must have everyone’s rep neutral since knives take bounties from any faction

[@lutchezar2443]

The fact that I have to play deepbound just to stop suffering from voidwalker encounters is killing me deep inside.

[@Aneui]

Never let ragoozer cook again

[@speedlife735]

We already know that lmao, like my god he is a good dev but a bad one with somethings.

[@officialxipherx]

Im a pve player, and it really annoys me that when i try to grind, i have to constantly be on lookout and watch for VW. Ive already lost a slot to them. Sadly since the deepwoken community is genuinely very toxic and immature, its impossible to talk about these issues. I also have very below-average reaction time & with me being terrible at pvp? I don’t even have a chance against a VW.

[@speedlife735]

TRUE,the game is good the community is horrible don't try to lie,if no one went voidwalker, we wouldn't have voidwalker problems😂

[@someonexdxd]

The game forcing you to be on the lookout and never feel safe is a good thing, not the issue

[@cat_agentreal]

Sadly I feel like if you have below average reaction time, deepwoken might mot be for you. Being terrible at pvp is a problem you can fix with enough practice (I suggest trying battle royale on the weekends when you have time), if your reaction speed isn’t the best, you’re gonna be a bit screwed in most situations.

[@violentlylazy]

What does a PVE player do in DW (genuine question) Like the PVE in this game is so bad dn there isn't much content Do pve players just do like L2 over and over or ??

[@lolnah1992]

That's something the devs can't fix, in sorry to say but maybe the game isn't for you. Because pvp is a big aspect to the game, you yourself might have to pause on PvE builds for a lil bit, and make a pvp build and just do chime, chime is how u get better without any consequences (if u stop at 1 skull)

[@kaptainamv7723]

As far as the consequences go, I think you should still be able to kill the victim as a voidwalker. They should just make it so your healthbar can't be stained from a voidwalker, and you can't be sent to the depths from them either.

[@cyberman0321]

Arch mage stated why that would be an issue, essentially people would abuse it, and no amount of patching could effectively prevent it from happening

[@kaptainamv7723]

@cyberman6918 Then just have it be that way only if the voidwalker is actively chasing your bounty. Voidwalkers don't show up enough for people to "cheese" especially in just a regular gank or pve.

[@cyberman0321]

@@kaptainamv7723 it’s not that people won’t go through the effort, it’s that it can be abused. Despite how stupid it may seem, Arch Mage actually did have many problems with people abusing stupid bugs in his previous game. Overall it’s hard to really balance, because what if a voidwalker hits you right before you knock, gripped, and you don’t lose a life. Also people could theoretically farm a max level alt on their voidwalker, not sure how good the exp but certainly very easy

[@Gustavo-xm2wt]

block parry dodge

[@cyberman0321]

@@Gustavo-xm2wt always the 600 elo phrase

[@ghutzy341]

There’s also another big issue where voidwalkers can take bounties on other void walkers inside the void heart, you get jumped, get them low, just for them to run to the teleport and get away for free cause you can use the teleport while player tagged

[@alen448]

This wasnt an issue until it was made an issue. Classic cobra effect. Deepwoken devs wanted ppl to not only play voidwalker to avoid other voidwalkers and in return allowed you to hunt other voidwalkers, allowing the voidmother teleport bullshit to happen

[@ghutzy341]

@@alen448It was also a issue when people would gank you in the void heart then teleport away, it was just uncommon, now that there’s bounties in the void heart it’s a regular occurrence

[@Twiggy2007]

@@alen448that wasnt why that change was made, it was made because people with a non knives of eylis bounty wouldnt appear on the board so voidwalkers would never fight other voidwalkers outside of the voidheart. They made it so that every factions bounties would appear in the knives of elyis bounty board so that voidwalkers could grasp onto other voidwalkers, not so that they can fight in the voidheart

[@alen448]

@@Twiggy2007 But that resulted in them bounty hunting each other in the voidheart so it doesn't really matter why they did it because it created another problem that didn't exist

[@justagamer2091]

About the town guards. While normally yes they barely help you during fights there is strength in numbers and if you have the talent "Bodyguard Detail" every single guard in a large area runs over to defend you from an attacker As for the health packs voidwalkers only get it if they were tagged by the guards and not the player if they are player tagged (indicated by their skull turning red) they get no health from npcs

[@Who-rl6jf]

but the talent in question takes like 40 charisma and you're better off getting a talent that helps you directly instead of relying on npcs

[@anthonynguyen1749]

if i have to obtain a high charisma talent just to be safe from voidwalkers in a supposedly somewhat safe area, isnt that annoying? youd have to level up to that point before getting that talent, and not everyone wants to make a charisma build.

[@Who-rl6jf]

@@anthonynguyen1749 thank you for saying exactly what i said in 10 more words

[@kufo772]

@@Who-rl6jfalmost everyone goes at least 55 charisma pre shrine so if you know your bad why would you get the talent

[@Who-rl6jf]

@@kufo772 barely anyone goes 55 charisma, you only do that if you want dazing finisher but even then why not invest 25 into strength to get access to not just bulldozer but also are able to get important talents like spine cutter with it.

[@marce4092]

voidwalker depths trials are harsher due to the amount of "drowns" they have. When you kill a player or wipe them and see their soul being dragged to the depths you get a drown, the more drowns, the harder the trial. That was a way to make it so people stopped wiping low levels back in the day which was a really big problem, its not limited to just voidwalkers, they just got more drowns normally cause of their progression

[@packwarden]

But if you're good at the game you can easily complete a voidwalker progression without seeing the depths so that consequence isn't really a countermeasure

[@aquatix5273]

I think for 1-3 Star Bounties (and maybe 4 Star Bounties) the system where you get rewarded and TP'd out for KNOCKING the target would be best, but for 5 Star Bounties I think they should still require a grip to complete.

[@Zhiowe]

I hate voidwalkers so much Ive changed my entire progression to sea based content to instantly fix my reputation with them and never encounter a single voidwalker ever again.

[@speedlife735]

SAME HERE I wish they would remove voidwalker origin and add like 2 other origins in replacement

[@Shadowbirth1]

Void walkers are free loot sometimes since they got alot of loot from other bountys and pvping void walkers is pretty fun unless they jump you in a inconvenient time

[@ljxr2745]

​@@Shadowbirth1u cant predict when u get jumped, so most of the Time you would be in the middle of something

[@earn6890]

The drain idea is honestly very good idea and kinda fitting for the lore too. Unfortunate, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree The dev done did made most of the voidwalker a sadist and they probably gonna kill anyway even if the target is drained.

[@enxi_vity]

eclipse said that when they getsknocked, the voidwalker tps immediately

[@aoshi9254]

@@enxi_vity how you gonna get your chest?

[@besttoiletfixerever]

​after you get tpd back talk to Eylis then claim your reward?idk@@aoshi9254

[@Slzerot]

@@aoshi9254 it gets teleported to you? I think its obvious that the chest wont just be left to the player you knock?

[@---idk]

I think when Archmage and the other people who worked on voidwalker released it they expected most players to be able to fight back because of some (or most) people coming from the game Rouge lineage and the skill required to play deepwoken since you have to parry and dodge as well as other various things, so I do understand as to why they didn't think voidwalker would be a problem considering killing people and fighting was way more common back in verse 1 of deepwoken when the luck mechanic was still an important feature before the removal of it in verse 2

[@fitmotheyap]

Arch didn't realise the people going voidwalkers are pvpers lmao

[@lionlance146]

glad to see someone who actually has a sense of game design and how to keep a community healthy talk about deepwoken, ngl… most deepwokeners are 12 year olds with no concept of “casually playing” because they havent touched grass in weeks

[@godofsomething1237]

Eclipse's 1v2 in the background footage was really entertaining lol

[@violet8318]

my thoughts on the origins: deepbound: awesome, love the concept and now that chains exists its not too bad, i just kinda wish getting specifically to power TWO was easier (requires for chains and air dash), finding mobs can be a pain too, maybe a way for deepbounds to quickly return to castle light while already in the depths like voidwalkers' voideye ability to return to voidheart voidwalker: i generally agree with the video, though i think letting the voidwalker get the kill without taking a life would be better since you would get loot, get to keep up the fight if it was a bigger fight, and get some of the player's loot which imo isnt a big loss... lone warrior: i want it to be buffed in some way cuz it kinda blows in terms of features but im not sure how castaway: it sucks but i feel like its almost a necessary suck where its so that new players can get into the game without being overwhelmed by to1 difficulty, depths risk, or pvp fights

[@mao38]

This is why they should add the ignition union origin

[@IamPepe1234SMGOAT]

@@mao38 you are NOT deepdelver sushi

[@mao38]

@@IamPepe1234SMGOAT it's called spreading the words!!!

[@mrname0420]

i feel like voidwalker bountys should have a playtime requirement. i have had a few friends quit the game due to them just playing the game for a total of an hour to get jumped by 8 voidwalkers within the span of 30 minutes. They should have like a 24 hour total playtime requirement, where if your account or maybe even slot has less than 24 hours total in gametime, then voidwalkers cant attack you. this would make progressing for new players less annoying as they wont have voidwalkers jumping them the second they get to like power 6

[@suzumebachii]

i might be wrong but isnt that already a thing? im pretty sure you need like 10h of playtime before voidwalkers can hunt you

[@iamayumpig]

@@suzumebachii it got removed

[@ItchiestBum]

@@iamayumpig Deepwoken moment

[@suzumebachii]

@@iamayumpig wait it did? wtf why would they ever remove that? as if the new player experience wasnt miserable enough? yeah they rly need to add that back (and make it 15-20 hours instead of only 10 too)

[@iamayumpig]

@@suzumebachii this was when there were barely any voidwalkers because of how little bounties you got because of the small lvl difference you could grasp to. back then it was very hard to find any bounties which made voidwalkers verry uncommon as well so people didn't really care that much.

[@ThebestmanIVGaming]

Once you become max level, you should be able to take bounties as they are in place rn, cuz I feel like what eclipse said is to solve the progression aspect and not the permadeath aspect

[@morija6605]

Yes 👍

[@noobyish]

very good point

[@ezalby998]

Bro you guys did me dirty in the conclusion clip LOL, that 2v1 messed me up. I had NO idea it was you. I think the suggestions you made for voidwalker are great though, keep up the good work!

[@josevictorribeirolisboa7576]

I really liked eclipse's solution to the voidwalker problem, but i must add that bounty chests are pretty bad by themselves, which is why voidwalkers usually only pick player loot bags, if eclipse's solution gets approved ( which has a good chance of being) they must buff the bounty chests and to also remove ''trash'' items from the loot pool. which would make it more worthwhile especially if the loot is tied to power which i certain bount chest aren't, and it must have a larger if not exponential xp reward for voidwalking bounties. which would make it possible for pve voidwalking, but makes players wanting to pvp a no brainer.

[@imafkingbeastandrewtateise9563]

they should make it so when you are gripped by a void walker that is hunting you you dont go to the depths even if your stained just like how if a contractor kills you in the depths it always sends you to layer 2 instead of wipe.

[@dascreeb5205]

Fun fact: in deepwoken's lore, the knives of eylis (the faction voidwalkers beling to) are just a mercenary guild (albiet quite a mystical one), that means voidwalker was specifically made to be so annoying.

[@speedlife735]

Yeah VOIDWALKER WAS LITTERALY NEVER SUPPOST TO EXIST, IT'S THE V O I D.

[@ohakol7128]

Lorewise no faction reallys like them lol

[@LampseekerForevermore]

They should follow dark souls's invasion matchmaking system where you cannot hunt anyone who is above or below a certain level range of you. And of course, a voidwalker cooldown after being attacked by one. However, you could also use a spears-of-the-church style mechanic where the voidwalker is buffed depending on the number of allied targets near their target, sort of a boss raid mechanic.

[@Gurke9]

The big issue I see with this is that you didn't really tell what the debuff of whoever got knocked would be. You obviously want it to be not so punishing, but what's stopping a person from just letting themselves get knocked because they know they won't get gripped?

[@jeffboy4231]

could still maybe drop some items and give htem to the void walker idk.

[@ItzJustDomino]

can't wait for this change to come right along with the king jellyfish rework, conquest, silentheart rework, void tower, unique bells, layer 3, central luminant, warmaster and hive oaths, hive origin, and bloodrend! 😁

[@TheScarletShadowYT]

Why is this guy so new to this game but is lowkey the most logical player with the most professional way of fixing problems? Like i hate voidwalkers but if they couldn't grip me i wouldn't mind.

[@speedlife735]

Eclipse has always been like that,experience things for himself then going over them in the most detailed manner

[@feesh2955]

get lost

[@TheScarletShadowYT]

@@feesh2955 who are you lil' bro?

[@ohakol7128]

omg scarlet shadow the top 1 voidwalker hater hi!!!!!

[@TheScarletShadowYT]

@@ohakol7128 yo

[@Okamiyourgod]

A good incentive would be to make a medalion type system, where a knocked player can have their “essence” sucked out of them when knocked. (Essence being xp from events used to level attributes)

[@MomentaryLapse]

Eclipse is the only person who takes a look at the whole problem unbiased and figures out a solution to that problem. Thats only is fair to both parties. Keep up the good work man!

[@argonicapple]

nah he's not and all these things were already said by the community for a long time, it's just really hard to get the devs to listen to you if you're not popular

[@t0tallysetj1]

​@@worldsandnightmareswell yeah, he even said ways to make voidwalker origin better, meaning more people would end up choosing it, all while saying how to nerf it

[@MomentaryLapse]

@@worldsandnightmares im glad you can read buddy

[@kjax5226]

you can uppercut people with ctrl+m2, this makes it so that move that would originally move your character forward (like lightning blade) becomes true as it will not rely on your movement while in the air

[@monkeycrimson6087]

2:05 also void Walker obtainment was based around deepwoken developers past game rogue lineage where basically it was so unbearably hard to progress and so easy to lose all that progress you could see people genuinely cry about dying tears and all.

[@speedlife735]

Yeah you can probably look up clips to this day😢

[@salgone]

the "ur mad ur mad" clip 😭

[@mao38]

​@@salgonerogue lineage ganks/fights felt different since ain't nobody making it out unschathed

[@anonymous_user815]

Dude I literally wanna love DeepWoken but I always die before learning anything and I hate it

[@lukyone450]

I think the perfect debuff would be "Void Drain" It basically removes your soul and it gives insanity at night, to remove it, find knives of eylis vs etrea ship event, talk to the NPC inside of the ship and then walk in the magical bubble, talk to Eylis to remove your flaw, but you will have to get a void walker contact with her, basically that's a debuff and an obtainment

[@thegaminggamer2896]

But then that just wraps around to the same problem. You fight a high skilled player and get downed but then you have to fight another player to remove the flaw or lose the life that the voidwalker didn't take. It's basically the same except it takes longer for the consequences to the bounty target for losing to kick in

[@trucoteca1924]

Dude thats great but i think they should also make it so you can remove the flaw by killing a voidwalker if you dont want to make the event over and over again

[@Chrisonix_la_furra]

if you're a void walker you had to farm, if you farm you're stronger, then there's NO LEVEL MATCH so you can invade level 1 guys being level 20 in dark souls you invade people near to your level

[@donutdynosaur4363]

I reckon they should increase the exp gained from bounties even more than they have, since the topic at hand mostly affects players on the lower power range, the faster the void walker gets out of their threshold the less they get killed, with the added fact that you need less kills to begin with. Progressing as a void walker is extremely painful at times because as you said, people either run or insta log making the time it takes to max a build be 1.5x even 2x the time for a pve player to max if we're talking power alone, on the other hand I think they should increase the reward you get for gripping a void walker since right now you get like, old yeezes and broken airpods as a reward for a fight and practically just wastes your time. Overall good video, agreed on most points but disagreed on some, for example saying that all void walkers are far better at pvp than most might be a stretch, since most of them obtained the origin by overpowering someone far weaker than them, I swear some void walkers play worse than a paraplegic grandma. P.S that fight on the vigil training ground got me cringing dawg, I was so immersed on how amateurish the fight was that I had to rewatch the segment cause I zoned out and didn't hear what you were saying. was hilarious, good fight

[@coolgjc]

Getting Voidwalker | it can be a quest but a long one so you have to talk to the guy on the boat then add a guy fair away then have to kill 5 people that are your level 1 2 3 or 4 what ever level you are you kill 5 of them so you dont kill new player or new build that people are making. For Voidwalkers | for the voidwalkers when you spawn on a guy you put them in combat but it does not tell you if you leave the game you lose a little knowledge like 1 or 2 but before you leave the game it tells you your in combat ( at the part if you leave it takes knowledge it gives the voidwalker a chest too ). when a voidwalker starts to kill you, you cant leave in area so you have to fight or if you leave the area voidwalkers get a speedboost water and land. For The Players | when you die to a voidwalker you get immunity so that you cant get killed my a voidwalker and if a voidwalker kills you, you dont lose a life ( immunity in that you dont pop up on the bounty board )

[@terryseb]

13:11 they dont get healthpacks, you only get a healthpack if you havent been combat tagged

[@DatOneGuyW]

my take on the alternative for gripping is this; Instead of gripping you, the voidwalker uses a new item called "Voidmother's Hunger" (or sum like that) and once they use that its kinda like a reaper but instead of killing them they get teleported back and the rewards are already in their inventory (gripping the player that you have a bounty on would do the animation for the item instead of gripping them so there is no way around it) and once they do that, the player that got hunted has a debuff that will only go away from in-game time, meaning they have to be in-game for a hour for the debuff to go away, and the debuff could make a bar of their HP voided. (meaning they cannot heal that bar and its never able to be healed until the debuff is gone)

[@Okamiyourgod]

This is smart

[@ok-ec2bm]

You just need the Blox Fruit team with "kill five snowmans" to fix it!

[@vee2003]

i dont even play the game anymore since its extremely boring but void walker is literally the only way to make the game fun after youve made ur 12th build and explored everything i seriously dont understand how people enjoy the game without pvping

[@keri7031]

Same, wait wtf its vee!!! But unironically the pve community is making the game more dull by the minute, there is 0 incentive to pvp and the community still tries to add downsides to pvping its as if they just want a single player game.

[@localhdmain6306]

My problem with the game is that it feels like the game jsut wants me to stick to the safest path since with how punishing and time consuming each death is any "Experience" i might have gained doesnt matter compared to all that i lost, the game is too punishing for me not to develop a strategy that minimizes time spent outside of safe areas

[@speedlife735]

A hardcore world in minecraft is easier than doing a progression in deepwoken all over again and you cannot let down your guard like you can in other games, you have to be on constant alert for no reason.

[@jakob9323]

​@K-ream fr people don't understand how difficult the game was when verse 2 dropped with exploiters everywhere nowhere was safe

[@jakob9323]

@@K-ream ooh or the luck era

[@thes6078]

deepwoken pvp is supposed to be risky arguement when i show them chime and battle royale gamemode

[@martimcunha7110]

hey eclipse would you make a persona(3, 4 or 5) game review? You use a lot of persona music and i would like to know if u even played the games, or if you did whats your opinion about them.

[@boptodatop]

Voidwalkers don't have outright harder depths trials, but they drown more often and drowns make trials harder.

[@Beij1ngCorn]

Actually, as someone who has never progressed in any of my 6 slots without voidwalker, we experience many issues just as unfair. Don't forget to address the teaming, the logging, the running, and the teleporting a voidwalker somewhere that they either have to climb or mountain and jump down or next to a gang of npcs waiting to attack.

[@Beij1ngCorn]

@bltelysian I did, and I just don't agree in anything except making new interesting origins. I respect him for thinking about the game though.

[@Victor-um9ce]

What about this: You can't be sent to the depths and lose minimal to no items when gripped by a voidwalker. You'll still become a stained health bar but you stay a stained health bar when you get killed by a voidwalker.

[@salgone]

As someone with around 100+ hours playing Voidwalker, more often than not you're server hopping to find a server where you can actually teleport to someone. When that server is found, however, is where the actual problem surfaces. Freshspawn Voidwalkers often end up fighting people 2x their level and then get third partied for being a Voidwalker, and while this is a community thing, I do genuinely think that Voidwalkers should be buffed to do more damage depending on how many people are currently attacking them. Adding onto that Life Siphon thing, I don't really understand how that will change the run-log-fight dynamic of seeing a Voidwalker spawn on you. Think about it, you're in an area populated by monsters and hear a Voidwalker. (as the life siphon mechanic has been added) I'd be more likely to leave the game if I'd be temporarily debuffed and lose all of my hp just knocked on the ground. I'd much rather be gripped at that point. Just make it so Voidwalkers can't target new players who just bought the game. Besides, there are no pure PVE players in this game unless they're new or horrible at playing Deepwoken. I like Voidwalker as-is, though I do agree it could be significantly better in terms of mechanics. Anyway, fight the Voidwalker. It's not that deep. Can't press F?

[@alen448]

You do realize how broken that is right? At least if its simply "You do extra damage if more than a single person is fighting you". And also, no way in hell am I going to fight the unavoidable one combo metamancer that happened to voidwalk on me

[@salgone]

@@alen448 Yeah, maybe I should've reworded that a little better. But dude, 99% of metamancer voidwalkers are power 20 and can only hunt power 18-20s. If you're at that point in the game where you're power 20 and still can't parry or pvp you might as well wipe your build and quit the game.

[@alen448]

@@salgone Damn bro does not understand what one combos are and how getting hit once basically means having all of your hp drained. Unless you are such a god at the game and you win all of your fights without getting hit which in that case oh well just a skill issue on my end might as well go and put in another 3k hours into this game yea that'll fix the problem

[@jeffboy4231]

my ass would actually sit there and fight the voidwalker because i can get some nice loot then. if not? doesn't matter i just go to a campfire real quick

[@alen448]

@worldsandnightmares You think vents work? Do you know how many times petras anchor has hit me through vent? And to add, even if I dodge and parry, something eventually will hit me, and then it just takes execution on the other player's part to pull off the most retarded combo. Or hey, he can just not combo me but do like 1.5 bars per m1, that sounds fair.

[@Ramosious]

voidwalker obtainment definitely needs to change but just having you talk to someone is a terrible idea

[@clockworkermoney]

The deep is CALLING you eclipse my beloved

[@clockworkermoney]

Also blah blah blah boat stream

[@murilo_the_lilo9947]

My family comes second. My deepwoken guild comes first

[@tyggrs1485]

2:36 nobody really does that because: 1. they already have the origin 2. they kill farm alts 3. they kill farm their friends

[@prestoo264]

i think the ability to communicate with devs on a game that has hope alone will make Eclipse end up loving this game

[@Soromard]

the concept of fueling the void mother and not completely killing the opponent is great. and I actually see no issue, since as a pve enjoyer it is very hard to find an opponent of your skill level and wanting to put up a fight in this situation is often out of this question

[@noobyish]

an idea i had to expand on this is after the downing instead of killing bounty system is implemented, maybe gripping the target needlessly would give you a little less exp than if you spare them? that way if your target is low level/new to the game and you think they really wont have anything useful on them you can leave them alone and get some extra exp, vs if your target is high level you can trade that extra exp for a chance at some good loot via gripping them.

[@jeffboy4231]

nah, they should make it like eclipse already said, just insta teleport the void walker away.

[@noobyish]

@bltelysian yeah thats definitely an issue, there are quite a few openly sadistic voidwalkers, but we can at least hope that voidwalkers will have pity on players that seem new to pvp.

[@bobthegoat760]

@@jeffboy4231thats a horrible idea, of course if you look on paper it sounds great, but you should be able to loot the target you killed. Imo it should be something like contractor in depths where the death of the target does not actually kill/wipe you. Gripping a bounty shouldn't take a life out of their health bar, this should be better.

[@Hiveatel]

By the way, voidwalkers can accept bounties on other faction bounty boards and still use Grasp of Eylis to teleport. So make it so that ALL grasp of eylis bounties end like that. Additionally, if the voidwalker is player combat tagged, they cannot healthpack off the guards. The guards are also very, very fucking annoying to a voidwalker.

[@DarkZ0l]

I think the requirements should be heavily reduced. but the consequences still the same

[@heatwave_s]

The epic battle through the entire video is amazing

[@bigbus9259]

Honestly, great idea. Fits into the lore pretty well, and I'd actually enjoy being a Voidwalker.

[@jonsena1373]

just walked into erisia and got jumped by five different voidwalkers five different times. they have fixed nothing

[@tk27-c2f]

Eclipse, I think you are right about some points, but at the end, it’s all because of new players. The new player experience is bad, and needs a massive rework. But I don’t think you really thought about how it would be when an average player plays against an average void walker. Now that fight is fair, and deserving. I think you are right about the new player experience and that it needs to be changed, but the average player experience it’s fine

[@alen448]

I mean sure but how often is the fight going to be average player vs average vw? Like 99% of voidwalkers either seem to fall into the "living autoparry" or "cant play for shit" category. There is no inbetween

[@speedlife735]

​@@alen448yeah I will once again say that, voidwalkers could be pro or average no in-between 😅

[@jeffboy4231]

yeah but there is no average player against average voidwalker. there are no average voidwalkers lol

[@whenthehowisandmebutthedot8493]

Skill also isn't the only factor. It's usually a PvP build vs a lower level PvE build, while the PvE player is in the middle of fighting something else

[@jacobrolston512]

Voidwalker was kinda the solution to missing something that old Deep had: an insentive to overworld grip. Pre layer 2 had luck, and you only increased this through killing other players. This meant that to get good cards, you needed to fight. Luck was removed however, so to keep overworld PVP alive, voidwalker. I tihnk the devs want to always have some form of overworld pvp, probably a mindset leftover from rogue lineage.

[@chiefyyyy]

It's great to see that you're actually playing the game! I'm a day 1 player and it's always nice seeing new people enjoy the game, keep up the good work! I totally agree with all your points, personally I haven't even unlocked voidwalker out of spite...

[@tarambukis-c2q]

i also have been playing since way too long and have never unlocked voidwalker for a similar reason

[@akirakill666]

I really hate the danger thing. Sometimes, you’re in the depth in combat with a random creature and the internet connection fails, resulting in the loss of all progress

[@kcinad]

Eclipse has somehow so much power of speech and I don't think he or we realize that these recent deepwoken videos will impact the game. This is actually awesome

[@alen448]

If Eclipse can't impact the game then no one can because a lot of people have spoken about a lot of glaring huge issue but their points seem to be completely ignored by the devs

[@alen448]

@@worldsandnightmares Its called improving new player experience. Though im 90% sure you dont give a shit about new players

[@ohakol7128]

​@@alen448new players cant even get voidwalked so idk what u mean

[@Drooonk]

​@@ohakol7128they can if they get to power 10

[@Slzerot]

@@alen448 Rogue Lineage "people"

[@Phantom-qv8gl]

Not letting ppl grip as voidwalkers would be dumb the whole point of pvp in deepwoken is thag you get to grip and kill your opponent , if you arent able to grip u bassically fought them for no reason and if they won they could grip u so its hella risk for the voidwalker and no risk for the person getting voidwalked

[@ilovesalad4207]

Cool video overall, but the only thing I have to say is about the section where you talk about making dying to voidwalkers less punishing, it already isnt punishing at all if you have basic knowledge of the game, in the early levels if you die to a voidwalker > power up > you only lost like 3 minutes of your time (Or no time at all if you set yourspawn using a guildbase, which not everyone has but still) and probably no loot of value, if you get sent to depths, sure its the place where you POTENTIALLY could lose your build, but realistically?, you can just walk over to depths trial and be back on the surface UNSCATHED in 5 minutes if you just know how to beat a sharko.

[@speedlife735]

You had me at BASIC KNOWLEDGE, WHAT ABOUT THE NEW PLAYERS THAT HYPHOACALY DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO KZbin,WIKI, OR FRIENDS THAT PLAYS THE GAME?!

[@ilovesalad4207]

@@speedlife735 When I said basic knowledge I meant like leaving the depths, if a new player can't figure that out REMOVING VOIDWALKER won't even be enough to save them fr, (also COMPLETELY new players do have a grace period where they can't be hunted I believe its until they reach like power 10 so they really do have time to figure out THE NUMBER ONE thing you need to learn to not wipe which is leaving depths)

[@sqrapz]

​@speedlife735 if u don't know u can get a life from leveling umm u may be doomed

[@joemama8233]

MORE DEEPWOKEN CONTENT LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!! the freshie killing bit in the video had me dying, but also felt really bad for them lol eclipse should do a pvp guide when he feels confident about his skill

[@grass1008]

to someone who just started playing deep (you) i dont think you have a say in it

[@jeffboy4231]

well the owner is agreeing with him. so idk what you talking about

[@IamPepe1234SMGOAT]

​@@jeffboy4231cuz he his a sizable amount of subs duh

[@fireandice3198]

Bros really in the second camp like he said

[@YoichiTenkai]

I feel like voidwalkers need a buff, like it is oso painful trying to get a single target, cuz it always says "the voideye cant reach", Or the fact that you are literlly most of time time fighting power 15 - power 20s, and even if not, 1 star bounties are lvl 10 at minimum, and will do like 1 bar per m1, so your forced to do trial of one, but then your lvl 7, and still take like 1 bar per m1, so its really dumb, and i feel like there shoud be a way for voidwalker to lvl up without having to waste 15 minutes going to trial of one.

[@aveensss]

The wiki is wrong thankfully, you don’t need to kill pathfinders it can be anyone Also if you are in PLAYER combat, you can’t get health packs (unless you use blood scourge bell)

[@speedlife735]

Wiki being wrong is crazy 😂 like cmon it NEEDS all information but since a certain person left there is no more constant information updates on the wiki😢

[@historicflame972]

The wiki is actually correct here

[@JohnDarkSoulsIII]

The wiki is right, Arch confirmed it, said he was changing it now

[@aveensss]

@@JohnDarkSoulsIII oh alright, because I remember I killed a jetstriker and still got voidwalker

[@neroolocutor3531]

It worst for us who live in a region with no local servers, 200 ping for pve is fine, but for pvp is another history

[@speedlife735]

Ping will always be a issue,but that's mostly roblox's problem😅

[@endmoder]

I think if the voidwalkers just don't remove you one of your life after they grip you, this can be completely better

[@JONITOKING]

Is this the Eclipse Deepwoken saga? I'm glad to see you take interest in the game.

[@LD-dt1sk]

No one tell him about contractor oath progression

[@Thecatbehindtheslaughtering]

Rag cooked 🔥

[@yxalag]

someones probably said this somewhere in comments already but my idea for obtaining voidwalker was that you should have to complete one bounty from any faction and then talk to the guy in the voidwalker ship. it only makes sense since the whole origin is based on bounty hunting and just one bounty isnt as annoying as 15 random kills. the bounty would have to be one that you would be able to grasp to if you were a voidwalker (so theyd have to be a similar power level) and oath shouldn't matter. if the devs want voidwalker to be the one origin thats difficult to obtain then they can increase the amount of bounties needed or add more to the requirements for obtaining it (such as needing positive rep w/ knives or maybe needing to do one bounty for every faction, stuff like that)

[@xobx_3265]

bro has never heard about rogue lineage

[@sergioherrera423]

The problem with voidwalkers consuming ur soul or smth like that is that they r probably going to grip u anyways for fun

[@hoodend]

they'd get auto tp'd so they wont kill you

[@optie5]

you should use your crit more

[@speedlife735]

Not nessary with everyone dodging and creating distance,even npcs can dodge

[@optie5]

@@speedlife735 ???

[@stalkknight8503]

You got to make video about how annoying the silentheart oath is in this game (it’s brain dead but pros say it takes “skill”)

[@DillaQuantavious]

Your ideas are literally going to turn deepwoken in to a sandbox game. If you don't want to pvp or wipe a few times, then its the wrong game for you.

[@jerome1695]

bros played for a week and thinks he knows how to fix everything

[@DillaQuantavious]

@@jerome1695 For real, hes a huge narcissist. He wants the game to be easy. I dont think he realizes that people like him aren't the intended playerbase.

[@detractor7072]

did you watch the whole video arch mage himself agreed with him

[@notbon5432]

So was deepwoken a sand box game before voidwalker was added?

[@DillaQuantavious]

@@notbon5432 No, because luck was a thing. Players still had reason to kill each other.

[@mgmikefike3406]

Glad you talked about this, I am someone who has a decent amount of hours as a voidwalker and must I say it is annoying for everyone involved, the amount of time server hopping to get bountys to teleport to someone and get 3v1ed or see them log instantly just isn't worth going voidwalker and the lowed exp you gain for all pve events makes the mid to end game of the build actually take hours of work if you decide you don't want to fight people stronger then you to get the exp you need to level up the only reason I still put myself through that is to get the tacet murmur(it requires 5 bounty kills) for the singular mantra it gives you(I like it personally but I with 100% certainty can tell you it isn't worth going voidwalker for)

[@chickenfingers2430]

Stap talkin bad abowt voidwalker and how it need be fixed, you need to fix yo mind. Voidwalker is perfectly fine and all u be doin is ruinin game and make it change, don’t make it CHANGE STAP IT NOW

[@flarethefox9836]

What the hell

[@clashcatastrophe7289]

Its very annoying that I have to suffer when I want to have fun for someone else to have fun

[@zcorb]

Deepwoken

[@speedlife735]

*Insert aga singing*

[@speedyling]

before i say anything i just wanna say that i really respect your videos and i appreciate people talking about the new player experience, this isnt me hating on eclipse or anything, just my perspective as a somewhat experienced player. your main solution for voidwalker risk (bounties make you knock your target before teleporting you back to the voidheart to get a reward) doesnt really make sense. it shifts the risk and reward of voidwalker too far in the other direction. as a voidwalker, progression is already slow (which you personally admitted you hadnt really experienced), and only really effective if you can consistently kill anyone you take bounties on, and your change would lower the reward for voidwalkers while also lowering the risk for people hunted. if you take a bounty and win, the other person loses nothing besides maybe the debuff you talked about, but a voidwalker losing will result in their death, a much higher risk. additionally, you dont get any potential loot from your target (and notes if you have pickpocket), or any loot or notes from guildmates of your target if youre able to take a whole group at once. i think still taking a death because "you initiated the fight" doesnt really make sense, should it work like that with non bounties too? also, assuming that voidwalkers are better than the average player just seems kinda misguided, especially because you talked about earlier in the video how the obtainment seems based on killing low levels (basically anyone can get boosted to like lvl 10 and go hunt freshies at lower erisia.) i wont talk much about the other changes you suggested because i mostly agree, its stupid that voidwalker is the best origin in 99% of cases, and hopefully the upcoming hive oath will somewhat change that. im slightly worried about having a player that doesnt have that much experience with deepwoken being potentially one of the most influential people in the community, having a direct line and seemingly frequent talks to arch mage is a very rare thing, and a new player having that could end up bad. it seems that youre really interested in the game, and i hope any suggestions you do give to him are well thought out and not biased too much by you not really being the average player. sorry for talking so much, i really am just passionate about this game. thank you for your time if you read this comment, have a good day either way. im excited to see where deepwoken goes on your channel.

[@alen448]

I mean back when voidwalkers couldnt hunt other voidwalkers it was just fine. If you wanted an undisturbed progression you would go vw and have a slower but less annoying progression. But the devs fucked themselves by removing that

[@speedyling]

@@alen448 originally I had a part about that in this comment, but I removed it to save space. In my opinion, the gap between pve and pvp players shouldn't be a thing. I don't think you should have almost total immunity from being attacked by picking the origin that you'll probably pick anyways. If you never get into fights because you don't get voidwalked, you'll probably never improve as a player. You still can get attacked by randoms, but in my experience that's incredibly rare until you're max level. I was one of those pve focused players for a long time, picking the origin to get immunity so I could prog in piece, and I was awful at pvp because of it. Since the change, I've gotten into fight after fight, and it's made me better at the game. In my opinion, you never improve if you don't try, and never fighting doesn't make you better. I think the voidwalker immunity changed were a good change, and it's still too lenient right now.

[@alen448]

@@speedyling I agree but imo you should be able to choose whether you want to fight or not without having to grind eyelis rep. Like if they added an npc where you can get your eyelis rep for notes or something I'd be 200% happy

[@speedyling]

@@alen448 i think that just doesnt make sense. you said in your original comment that picking a slower progression in exchange for safety from voidwalkers was a good idea. notes are not hard to get, even early game. so youd just gain complete immunity from them at like lvl 10? idk how youd ever progress as a voidwalker if that was added, and it still conflicts with everything i said about learning how to pvp. not a good change in my opinion