Deepwoken's Layer 2 Has Some Problems

[@lewisaidan2398]

Arch actually did give a reason for why you can’t use graceful flame, that also explains why the portable lantern doesn’t exist yet. He said that it’s because the light from the flame and/or the lantern will call the 8 snowman’s, which would instantly eat your light hook and wipe you.

[@fedydespooky7025]

tf is the 8 snowman’s ima a day one and don’t know

[@ImpatientPlatypus]

@@fedydespooky7025bros bowl is cooked

[@mrbrownlol3637]

Darn those 8 snowmans!!

[@fedydespooky7025]

@@mrbrownlol3637 bruh yall trollin💀

[@luckylaniang5574]

​@fedydespooky7025 basically in his playthrougj of blox fruits he got to the winter island or Smith and the quest said "kill 8 snowmans" and proceeded to shit on it

[@vzKurio]

Cant wait for someone to ignore "I dont mean that layer 2 is bad", shit in comments, end up in DDOS and continue complaining 😔🙏

[@seek3150]

lol deadass though

[@xdrakon8196]

It’s a canon Eclipse event. It happens in every video. If you break the canon, it all falls apart

[@niten1ryu]

layer 2 is lowkey...bad though...

[@RealZish]

this aged poorly lmao

[@Airbelt]

eclipse officially has a deepwoken addiction

[@codenameloser8488]

The deep is calling… it’s calling… I can’t stop playing… the deep… the deep… the deep! Must play Deepwoken… must gank freshies! Must play chime of conflict!

[@user89730]

Skibidi rizzler mogged

[@cheesywithers]

@@codenameloser8488 I read this in ikit claw's voice and i have no regrets

[@MaciekRodriguez]

There's no way bro went from yba, through reviewing roblox games, to getting addicted to deepwoken while the game is dry asf. It's really fun watching how your gameplay improved from your deepwoken review, to actually doing l2. edit: Alright y'all are right, eclipse is probably at a point where the game still seems exciting to him, unlike many people. My main problem with the game is that the balancing team seems to be non-existent, and flamecharm is heavily prioritized by the devs for some reason

[@oggaraggairoaawfauhaiu31_UN]

deepwoken ain't even dry but aight

[@minepikaczu2]

@@oggaraggairoaawfauhaiu31_UN when u have like 3000 hours then it is, im just so thirsty for conquest along with the overworld addons to it

[@croccoalex6957]

deepwoken isnt dry its just we have done everything

[@elsebonio4702]

To be completely fair, the game is only dry for us long time players because we've played it for so long

[@jeffboy4231]

deepwoken is not dry at all. but obviously the lake will be empty if you play/drink for 2000 hours. every single game in existence would have that problem dude

[@JsphCrrll]

You basically hit ever complaint I had about layer 2 on the head. Too bad the devs are too busy working on league of legends. Hopefully layer 3 will be more of what people want when it comes out in 3 years.

[@rr3d942]

League of legends update better be packed or ima be mad 😡😡😡

[@trucoteca1924]

Cant believe archmage got hired by riot games

[@ultimateking88]

@@trucoteca1924wait fr?

[@comradexdface]

I was so disappointed when they said conquest is gonna you making your current build again. Half the fun of league is the build crafting. I'm playing the casual freshie version instead, ranked is cheeks.

[@ExaltedNinja.]

@@ultimateking88 no

[@BadPredictions]

Consider doing oaths as stories. Some oaths obtainment have crazy lore and adventure. Please try getting them

[@newyearlunardeluxe]

eclipse please notice this person 🙏🙏

[@A_HampterV2]

This is actually a good idea for all oaths expect oathless,jetstriker and dawnwalker cuz we seen that already.

[@Bobgamin]

Silentheart bout be go crazy

[@Yes-xj6if]

I love the crazy adventure of “find me 5 void feathers” or the incredibly immersive “kill 5 guys with other oaths Ty” So peak…

[@bluechezzwithsocks9117]

@@Yes-xj6ifnotice the word some

[@DoodooWiper5000]

Eclipse has now fell into the trap of deepwoken

[@KazumaEnjoyer]

he stuck in the depths

[@CheeseWarford]

The Deep calls him.

[@masterbolt6106]

Layer 2 not only is it just something i speedrun without thinking about it, it's also losing its value more and more. It used to be the best way to get loot, but now that the Diluvian mechanism exists, there really isn't a point in doing floor 2 apart from getting dawnwalker/a couple dye packets. As for floor 1, chaser is now pretty much useless, and there really isn't a need to get the deepshore fossil now that Maestro can just drop any enchant stone you could possibly want, as well as more legendary weapons than even Ethiron. Also eclipse I wanted to ask you: have you ever worked on non jojo games before ? you make really good suggestions and remarks all the time and i was wondering if it comes from experience

[@EclipseGameplays]

I have never worked directly in game design, but that's extremely high praise for an industry noobie like myself lmao, thank you

[@Lunarinzo]

@@EclipseGameplaysOn the idea of special layer 2 armor, instead of just getting one either op talent for your build or one that is shit, you should get no talent, but in return you get like 2x the durability of a master armor and way more armor against stuff in general (Don’t dunk on me I’ve gotten to 19 as my highest power and some random guy was so sorry for m1ing me once he basically gave me everything for black diver)

[@50gritsandpaper1]

@@Lunarinzo thats pretty much just black diver armor

[@Lunarinzo]

@@50gritsandpaper1 Fair but black diver should have a talent where your willpower scaling is 2x more, so say you have 40 willpower, you’ll have the sanity of 80 willpower, 100 would equal 200 (idk if this should work on lft)

[@EldritchEntityWithASmartphone]

I’ve seen people talk to devs about the Maestro & Diluvian loot problem. Hopefully Maestro gets the rates on enchant stones dropped and cbow & crypt no longer drop.

[@kairo_9512]

There's a reason for the Light Hook. Layer 2 was Deepwoken's first MAJOR content addition, a whole new dungeon with new monsters and 2 incredible boss fights, the update was hyped and awaited for a LOT. So to make it so that everyone could play this long awaited layer 2 they added the Light Hook in the purpose of letting everyone including less skilled players play the dungeon without risking anything, but gave it a timer and removed it during the Ethiron fight to make things still somewhat risky if you go too deep into it.

[@santiagoegas7715]

did you watched the video before typing this?

[@progaming-kk4oj]

You didn't even watch his vid before typing that did you

[@caa_la]

this has the possibility of getting on DDoS

[@TotallyEvervin]

good point dont mind these weirdos when layer 2 released it reworked a TON of game mechanics and added so many different mobs and people had been perfecting builds for a long time that if they lost cuz of some bullshit from the game would be not so fun

[@roy-cm4wo]

​@@TotallyEvervin Did you even watch the video either 😀

[@blocks4944]

eclipse is evolving he says glazing now

[@flop69419]

the deep got into him, now he's learning

[@johannawilliams1039]

Your (ECLIPSE) is evolving!!!! Your (ECLIPSE) has evolved into (GRIFFITH!!1!!!)

[@uberrex8073]

​@@johannawilliams1039wait- hold on, how do i undo?!? B button, B BUTTON!!!!!

[@Greyman-Gaming]

@johannawilliams1039 Shit! Go back go back go back!

[@Sky_darts]

@@johannawilliams1039OH HELL NAW

[@SillyFeral]

11:32 Lorewise, there is a diver in floor 1 that asks you to save her by completing the entirety of layer 2. However, she is being controlled and that trap there is meant to kill you for attempting to save her.

[@boptodatop]

She's not being controlled that's just straight up Ethiron lying to you.

[@historicflame972]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN LOREWISE, YOU ENCOUTER IT IN THE ACTUAL GAME, IT'S IN THE GAMEPLAY, THERE'S NO DIVIDE, IT'S RIGHT THERE, IT'S NOT LOCKED TO SOME 5 DOLLAR BOOK BOUGHT FROM WISH

[@dakotatrue12]

@@historicflame972what??

[@thebloodynine5665]

​@@historicflame972dude are you on crack cocaine

[@kairo_9512]

@@historicflame972 Most sane and calm Deepwoken player

[@brook2988]

Eclipse should become a tester tbh, like i really love the blacksmith idea and the portable lantern, like parasites arent even a problem at this point you will use the respite lantern anyways, keep it up eclipse gl with deep

[@justtyler1092]

he should NOT bro he yaps about light hook being bad yet its good it makes sense

[@brook2988]

@@justtyler1092 In fact, the only thing I don't agree with here was the light hook, but it really has a lot of very nice ideas

[@daggithehorrendous]

The main problem with layer 2 is how badly Deepwoken's permadeath mechanic interacts with it This might be a controversial take but, personally, I feel like layer 2 would be a hundred times over better if light hook was kept permanently throughout the exploration parts of floor 1 and 2, but removed upon reaching bosses, because: 1. The main risk of wiping (atleast as a new player) comes from bosses anyways, the fact that the travelling sections of floor 2 can also get you wiped leads you to just use the quickest and safest route to the boss 2. Layer 2 actively discourages exploring, floor 2 is the biggest offender of this even though floor 2 has the most exploration to offer The literal start of floor 2 has a trap npc that when talked with spawns 3 lancers, the place is filled with trap rooms with enemies that are way too hardcore for people who've gone there for the first time, and on top of that there's also a timer that basically forces you to hurry up instead of explore the place Imagine you're playing layer 2 with a friend of yours who's new to Deepwoken, what would you prefer: Option A. Have only the risk of wiping at bosses (which is the main part that causes wiping anyway) but be able to mess around and explore all the trap rooms/npcs/easter eggs throughout layer 2 without a worry and ACTUALLY fight enemies to learn their attack pattern and secure loot next time youre actually ready to tackle on the boss(keep in mind this hypothetical idea would work just like floor 1, loot isnt kept until you beat the boss) Option B. Know that layer 2 will basically insta wipe you if you dont take the shortest route, so just go through the same boring motion telling your friend to just follow your lead without questioning else his character will get wiped (which is currently how layer 2 is played) ALSO PLEASE PLAY RANDOMLY GENERATED DROIDS 🦆

[@funnehdennis]

72 free attempts each day just to do layer 2 without wiping (yes you have to speedrun each floor for maximum rewards with light hook) Edit: 31 runs. Sheesh.

[@t3qnix110]

To be fair, I think Deepwoken, in general, sacrifices a lot just for the permadeath mechanic to work in an MMO. I'm not saying they should get rid of it entirely or anything, although I have my own hot take on that. There are just a lot of things Deepwoken either can’t do or requires a significant amount of balancing and tweaking to work that other games just don’t have to deal with. Like you can’t make bosses too difficult because you can’t do trial and error in a game where if you mess up you have to grind again for potentially hours just for one more chance to win, this ain’t Elden Ring. Progression must also be very quick to make it easier to start over from wiping and keep players away from mental exhaustion. This structure also limits exploration to how much it affects progression. If it doesn’t make progression faster, then people aren’t going to explore it, especially when their lives are at risk. As a result, people become more willing to forgo potentially fantastic experiences if it makes their progression easier. I could go on, but you’ve hit many of them on the head already. The more I think about it, the more I feel that Deepwoken is a pretty challenging game to develop for; there’s always a fine line you have to tread, or else you break the entire game, and each new addition has to be very methodical and meticulous in its approach just to work, not even be good, just to work.

[@cowdude8948]

Randomly generated droids is mid

[@jeffboy4231]

Tbh I'm fine with the permadeath lol, I think they did some great things with it, but imo a big problem for my friends (and a bit for me) is the pvp, while my main gripe is just voidwalker my friends would love a pve version of deepwoken and tbh I would kinda too​@@t3qnix110

[@sano_ontop]

I ain’t reading allat

[@golthrim7896]

another deep vidoe! thanks eclipse.

[@Destroyer-cj7zz]

The ignition union did make a portable lamp of sorts but only in lore, as the railblade is said to "Generate a warding heat that protects the wearer against the insidious chill of the Eternal Gale.", i still do hope one day we get stuff that acts as counters to the parasitic snow though

[@historicflame972]

Captain Rex

[@cuunor9310]

your firfire idea is BRILLIANT

[@GearedinEle-zn9bo]

only the blacksmith]

[@velryxia]

never played deepwoken but plan to and these videos are making me want it more

[@Thunderfury0900]

you should!, its one of the only really really good games on roblox

[@ArkhamVEVO]

dont

[@smellslikebees8179]

Don't play this atrocious dogshit

[@expomkr7506]

Go for it

[@qiqi9856]

just a heads up the beginner stage is a nightmare

[@robbedbored1179]

there are reasons to lighthook, eclipse (do not include me in DDOS) 1. if it would be risky then nobody would even do l2 2. back in the day, when verse 2 came out l2 came out too, and that was the most anticipated update in deepwoken, that overhauled everything. if it were to be this difficult, while nobody even KNEW how to beat it, who would even bother?? dw would js lose its players 3. some people dont play the game for pure fun, some prefer grinding for loot. LH ensures safety while that is being done. 4. sometimes, going to L2 isnt necessarily to beat chaser, its for getting some minor talents, and if you had to waste that much time everytime you even went down to L2, then it'll get annoying for the players. i tried

[@NylonEpoxy]

Deepwoken is a difficult game with permanent character loss, losing characters is a part of the game that should be expected.

[@funnehdennis]

can we just like this so that dude can get on DDOS and the comment above me is shown

[@robbedbored1179]

@@NylonEpoxy Of course. But this is a whole level of difficulty. L2 is incredibly risky, and often buggy. A lag spike? Instant wipe. I know same goes for depths, but It’s not nearly guaranteed for you to wipe during it Unlike Layer 2. Also? Guess what? Unlike depths deaths that are not your fault, deaths in L2 are mostly non-restorable. Going hookless l2 everytime is torture, and would be the most boring thing ever for some, and an instant wipe to others. No one wins here. Making layer 2 THIS hard will make it unplayable to half the people. No one will even try and play it, unless you’re good at the game. I wont even bother bringing up the difficulty spike from depths mobs, where you safely log if you see anything bad (or run from it) and L2.

[@thereallegitimatemontblanc]

You saying to not include you on DDOS will probably be the very thing that gets you on DDOS...

[@thebloodynine5665]

He brings up some pretty fair points so I don't think that he necessarily belongs in an entire separate video that's borderline calling him retarded 😭

[@thehexofficial]

5:38 You can actually! There's a piece of equipment in game called the Winter Corps Parka, pretty common drop from Layer 2 chests. It gives you a talent that works similarly to Survivalist, where the parasites take longer to have an effect on you. I get your point though, it doesn't completely/heavily negate the parasites, but it is something you can obtain directly.

[@suopd]

the problem is that item gives a very poor amount of health so you kind of brush by one problem and create another since you're going to be more squishy against high dmg mobs

[@thehexofficial]

@@suopd true, you can always switch it out while you're not in combat though. I think it's a fair compromise for 10 - 20HP

[@Reeeas]

@@thehexofficial you can't switch equipment in layer 2

[@thehexofficial]

@@Reeeas You can? I think you're getting confused with not being able to equip things you've found until you exit the dungeon

[@smellydelinquent]

yeah but what kinda sucks is that you can also get it from crypt of unbroken, which proves his point about no special layer 2 exclusive loot

[@itsnova1939]

Hard agree on not being usable in combat, however I have to disagree with manually using it in terms of being flung off the map. There are many instances where bugs, ping, etc can lead to going off the map. Would suck to wipe to that, wouldn't feel "oh thats my fault i wiped" it would be "wow thats like 4 hours of my life grinding this build wasted." Just make it so if you die in combat in L2 the Light Hook wont save you, but it saves you from parasites and falling off the map. This is also better for players who are first going into Layer 2, who wouldn't know about parasites and falling off the map is inconsistent sometimes where there is and isnt floor. Meanwhile any player going into Layer 2 would understand dying to a Bonekeeper and any other mob, is, well, dying.

[@jeffboy4231]

not even 4 hours, for most normal people a build could take days to make lol

[@boptodatop]

Just make it same rules as falling into Layer 2. Above half hp you live below you die.

[@ThebestmanIVGaming]

What happens if a bounder flings you off the edge?

[@dominicballinger6536]

But the Bonekeeper isn't fightable anywhere else except for the 20+ drown depths trial. If only for the exclusive enemies that would make you wipe every damn time you die because you haven't had a chance to learn them, Lighthook would become exponentially less useful and making layer 2 much more annoying to get into

[@guest-eg3zx]

​@@dominicballinger6536 probably the only solution is to make it lighthook will work as usual before u beat chaser and reported to Claris for the first time, and then the light hook will be weaken so it doesnt work in combat or some changes. they could probably rework how light hook work lorewise

[@desii3299]

last friday they added a new weapon, its obtainment coming from an npc in layer 2. talking to this npc will wipe you if you do not meet the requirements. the requirements are not mentioned or hinted at

[@EclipseGameplays]

They never learn LMAO

[@IrisBread]

Like, WHO THINKS OF THIS SHIT?

[@navuwatr]

its supposed to be secret bro. obviously there wont be hints. was there hints about the deep angels cave? no.

[@EclipseGameplays]

@@navuwatr it's not a secret dumbass, Google exists

[@FIREBALLMK19]

@@navuwatr it would be a mid secret but the fact you get wiped for requirements you dont know unless you google it makes it total dog shit dude

[@godofsomething1237]

In my opinion light hook is necessary to function the way it does now, except for the part where you have to wait for your light hook to give you 20 minutes of light hook in your next run.

[@pitchblackkittycat]

Just found out you can craft the lantern in layer 2. Looks like the devs found your video! I haven't seen anyone else talking about it, but it is very very cool that it's in the game you.

[@axhfoediv]

I'm glazing this so hard. This is actually so peak. Eclipse cooked hard throughout the whole video Layer 2 has actually become such a mindless speedrun that the playerbase has gotten used to, mostly subconsciously, this video was such a good reminder of the problems everyone feels. Agamatsu also reacted to your vid on stream, I'd just like to bring up an idea he came up. Essentially the suggestion is to give lighthook a couple seconds to charge before it pulls you up. This way if a player's is low percent hp in a fight, they'd still be stressing as the lighthook is winding up. Maybe this would only apply in combat ctag, so players unfairly knocked by the gale into the void can still safely exit.

[@uoza7673]

No way the just added portable lamps in layer 2 right after this video 💀

[@codenameloser8488]

8:22 I think this puzzle is intended for multiple people. Outside the library, there’s a mural that will light up when you use the obelisks. One person recons to the person in the maze how many times to press the obelisk, and you get through. Needless to say, this has its flaws. Especially us solo gamers without friends who live on playing video games for a living/don’t have as much time as us. We don’t have someone to tell us the code while we are in the library, thus are left with either taking too long and getting teleported back with a progress wipe, or make friends with the wiki.

[@Ben_E2]

and what if someone doesn’t have vc?

[@hoovy_thepooter8489]

@@Ben_E2 your messages are broadcast to everyone in dungeons

[@asiangamerchairs]

@@hoovy_thepooter8489That was only from a way more recent update, if you didn’t have a voice chat you were screwed and even then no one would really understand how that library in the map would work anyway

[@Retrovoider]

Completely agree with the ignition's drill, some of my friends that play the game don't have the confidence to even try chaser without a full squad. Leading to them not getting ANYTHING until they have backup, which can take WEEKS.

[@n3no2]

Honestly I just love the direction your content is going, a few years ago when I first started watching you it was only for the specific games you played at the time, I felt like the commentary you had on them was refreshing and taking a more critical approach was so nice to see. But even after all those years and finally coming back I feel like I can just watch your stuff for you, you’re very funny and that more critical analytical side aids in that as well. It’s funny laughing at how horrible some things are and how you actually try and help them become better, I hope you can continue to do what you do.

[@HerozOfficial]

Why would we want to go into layer2 and risk instantly dying? The light hook is good, I'm a PVP build, you want me to fight chaser with a dagger?

[@Afron-b5d]

No way , eclipse is my god, his ideas already in the game, with the first weekly from the video upload, pls make more videos on deepwoken with suggestions to improve my davourite game. With best wishes, avarage deepwoken player

[@OperativeQuebec]

The light hook is awesome feature, I see your point but it helps people who have never gone into layer 2 start learning how to traverse it instead of not knowing where to go and dying to parasites

[@SamsDevelopmentChannel]

layer 2 is flashy but is lacking a lot of things. Like a golden bowl without anything inside of it.

[@spida2pro705]

The reason the light hook exists was to pad the release. Imagine thousands of players wiping being oblivious to parasites, all the enemies, hell even the wind is dangerous. layer 2 is a puzzle structure learned piece by piece and it allowed people to do trial and error without wiping everytime they learn something new and having to get power 15 again

[@dotdotdotdotdotdotdotdotdot]

chaser drops a crown exclusive to him but its so rare that most people never see it

[@lolgustxs]

mfw when i get the bloodforged crown AND the kamas in the same chaser:

[@somerandomperson4586]

I really like the idea of firfire being a rest stop town. In many roguelike dungeon crawlers, this kind of feature exists at some point whether it be a shop or special event to reforge items, etc. Layer 2 is a dungeon-designed map. Making firfire have some cool unique npcs or unique features from the overworld would be great.

[@acee555]

I think it'd be cool if you could use the light hook and wouldn't run out until layer 2, but at the cost of nerfing your drops. This would be cool for newer players who might want to just have a fun replayable option in an otherwise punishing game, that they could attempt layer 1 at lower levels without as much penalty.

[@thej2705]

good points, though I do want to suggest the idea of (since there are peaceful beings in new kyrsa), maybe an underground society like the divers (hell could be ignition union) who have found a way to negate the time dilation, and have set up shop in the railways possibly. kinda like your firfire rework idea, but the place would serve to give a place to stay, craft armor and maybe do something with medallions, such as purchasing certain kyrsgarde armor blue prints n stuff. I think this is a good idea, though obviously flawed, it’d be a neat way to add more lore to floor 2 along with making it a bit more involved ( maybe the time dilation timer could be a non factor while inside or something). tldr: small refugee town inside of new kyrsa with sane npcs. great video as always, keep these up, they’re really entertaining to watch.

[@InternetDweller]

love the video eclipse, this laid back content were u criticise games from a game design stand point has really made me change the perspective from which i programme games and add new features

[@jessederosiers2184]

Even if I haven't watched the video, Eclipse is really reaching a peak right now!

[@Leejohnas]

Honestly initially I thought the lighthook changes you made were odd, but considering all the other changes you made, i'm completely for basically everything in this video. This is an amazing take.

[@suopd]

16:40 I completely agree with this. I think a good change for this would be that using the deepdrill allows you to keep at the VERY LEAST 5 items (with the ignition union taking the rest since they are a generally "greedy" group). This would mean there would be an option for newer players to get valuable loot without having to confront a boss that will most likely wipe them, but there is still an incentive to kill chaser to obtain more. This would further mean that floor 1 doesn't become this "free loot zone" for experienced players who would be able to get to most chest spots without ever losing their light hook.

[@CheeseWarford]

It’s official: The Deep calls him. (Like actually why the fuck do I keep coming back to this game.)

[@PebbleRock2]

I love your videos eclipse! keep making great content and keep going with these deepwoken videos!

[@sellpz8711]

fun fact on firfire , theres a hidden cliff and theres a kyrsgarde sitting beside a cliff , he will ask you to sit next to him and if you use the resting emote next to him he says speical stuff

[@Decaying_bacon]

What does he say

[@thefunnymoongod]

​@@Decaying_bacon "you're a good friend" or something like that

[@codytehspy4701]

Nice video dude! I really enjoyed your takes on it. keep it up brotha

[@user-uz8ke7wc8z]

I think the main issue this game is not *perfect* or has some really huge cons is because devs took too much on them. They have to make lore, have to make lore events/bosses, have to expand the game following the same lore, have to think of PVP and not only PVE and some of the people right now would like a storymode for sure which might be even harder if not impossible to make. Plus the weekly updates are forcing them to make the least so they can do something bigger later.

[@lbdino5630]

So glad to see you got into deepwoken on the brink of another huge update nearing, I hope with your input you make deepwoken more of a balance and greater experince.

[@zhanglaoshi5529]

This guy got vow of mastery on the whole dev team he made them add layer 2 items 4 days after the video 😭😭😭😭

[@jetz1525]

16:30, this mechanic wasn't really meant for keeping the loot if your light hook ran out. Its purpose was just another way to escape floor 1 if the player could not beat chaser (like you said) but entered layer 2 floor 1 through falling into the void in layer 1 of the depths while meeting these conditions: Power 3 and above, and 50% or more health. Entering layer 2 floor 1 through this method is also called "Hookless" because when you enter layer 2 floor 1 with this method, you dont have a light hook.

[@Bruh.Andrew]

what i like but don't like at the same time about layer 2 is how it's just so linear it's a > b > c > boss | a > b > c > d > boss there little to no exploration to be done theres nothing to find other than a random monster or useless lore npc they really should just do a massive layer 2 expansion for the new conquest update making lighthook as a way to just leave whenever instead of a safety net like you said earlier i want to explore layer 2 but i know damn well that theres really nothing out there outside of the boss or floor 2 i want to explore it but im not trying to get infinite comboed by the snipers and wipe over that the only good monster they added to layer 2 is the bonekeeper everything else is just stat check

[@shipmate8008]

They did something cool to Firfire, adding some legendary weapon, then again it is almost impossible to find without the wiki and causes you to instantly die if you manage to get to it without flamecharm and a specific outfit.

[@fate3350]

deepwoken is the most noob friendly game i have ever played in my life, I love how it tells you everything at the start and exactly what to do and not just "build a boat".

[@KakaNo1st]

you made a lot of interesting points hope the devs see some of these and steer it in the right direction for the game

[@Zawaito]

1:58 the lighthook released with layer 2 because that was a new environment with a couple of new mechanics. Before layer two, builds were completely based on luck, luck was even a stat. Imagine how frustrrating it would be if you wiped your "one in a million" build because the game bugged or didnt register you changing directions to avoid the wind and got flung anyways. This was a really good strategy to avoid an even bigger influx of restore tickets. Furthermore, light hooks having the timer means that the clueless playerbase couldn't bruteforce their way through layer two, making the content last longer. Also, an average layer 2 floor 1 (chaser fight) can be completed with like 5-10 min without tryharding as long as you know where to go, so the loop for those who didnt want to risk their builds would be to run floor 1 until you get a route fast enough that you can start exploring floor 2 while still having the lighthook. In the end, in order to make the game less risky, you need to take proper time inbetween runs (if you fail or bail out) I really like this, it solves oretty much every potential problem they could've had with layer two at launch

[@Zawaito]

Also, there are quite a few things you can only get without a lighthook so it is really just training wheels

[@vex3167]

this guy gets it

[@Daminm]

Ok so may I ask how recent you are to deepwoken? There are some things i'd like to comment on but dont want to spoil it or make it unfun by telling you the shortcuts in L2 that make it to where you can do it in 60 seconds with a pve build. All im trying to prevent, is me telling you shortcuts and removing the thrill of doing layer 2 with some "danger" aspect.

[@progamer-gp4ep]

I do really enjoy the “speedrunning,” as you say, of layer 2, but your suggestions would generally improve the experience as a whole. I’m most fond of your take on firfire, as I believe it is a land of missed opportunity for what it’s worth. Having an alien settlement said to be “foreign yet familiar,” a tagline which instantly attracted my interest towards firfire immediately disappointed me when I found out firfire’s purpose in layer 2, and how much more it could have been expanded on.

[@sebastianoweiss7670]

hi eclipse first thing i want to say is thanks for the awsome video and since i dont usually leave long comments i wanted to leave my first one on an good channel but let's stop glazing so im a casual player of roblox and i got deepwoken becouse i saw youtubers play this game it seems fun so i got it what the first 2 hours told me was pain and still i realized im one of those player that cant play this type of game since i get really stressed over iniziating combat with another player and i tried pve as i played over 10 hour just doing the trial of 1 spoiler i died at sharko over 50 times i want to joke about this but i cant so i guess it's just skill issue in my part but still i want to continue to play and start over again (i dont know how to dash in the air too ;( ) so to finish i want to thank you becouse you enspired me to continue play this game as witouth you i would have stopped a long time ago P.S. i hope this dosent go in a ddos becouse now that i red it again it kinda is have a nice day!

[@zylxxlyr4403]

it takes ages to get good, just stick through it. i believe in you man

[@McLovinLlama]

Eclipse I know your going through rough times, but just know that a lot of us really appreciate you!

[@LeoB100]

6:22 layer 2 eternal gale is also stuck in the cycle from new krsya and there's a piece of clothing to do that also its not that risky to do layer 2 without a hook (as long as you can beat chaser or only came for the exp) you can skip firfire carvens entrace after getting the hook

[@kennydeepwoken]

eclipse, there is a lore reason for why specific kyrsgarde aren't hostile, it's because the ones in the city are being controlled by ethiron, influencing their actions, that's why the ones in firfire village are friendly and so is the one outside the city, because they haven't gotten close to the city to be controlled.

[@RenxTheHedgehog]

I liked the idea of the Life Hook, as it prevented newcomers to just wipe out of curiosity.. However, I think it would have been better executed if it was a tool to "Explore" and do a research of the dungeon, and then, to be able to actually complete it, you would have to go in without it. Imagine like, if you go with the life hook, you can do your normal run but with no rewards, no chests. But you can figure How to complete the dungeon in a safe way. And then, after you have the mindset to do it, you will have to go in without the life hook; Chaser spawns and so does the chests and rewards idk, lemme know your thoughts lol

[@Tree_Oakens]

Great points! I can get to chaser in 5 minutes, that’s With killing the bounders, with killing the bonekeepers, for extra chest which are good. I really wanted more quest, more rivalry between the divers and the ignition union, seeing them fight down there over an abandoned settlement. Where you could choose a side to help to gain reputation and specific loot for each one, helping the ignition union would give you guns, ignition deepdelver etc, while the divers would give you black diver, and depths loot. I think that the light hook should be changed completely; instead make it possibly 30-45 minutes, to do quest, kill different bosses, help the ignition union or the divers, obtain special items to counter layer 2. And have multiple ways to go to floor two, having the ministry have a small camp, and people can choose to help them, I think it would be cool if you could choose only one to help, and expand their base but I have no clue how this would work with multiplayer so there’s that. Of course with all this make it so that the map is far bigger, in all directions. Floor two could stay a dungeon while floor one could be more like an exploration, this would come with new enemies, bosses, quest, items, secrets etc etc. I think it would be amazing if you had to do this to go to layer 3 forcing players to actually explore and do layer two before going to layer 3. It’s a lot, and definitely has a shit ton of flaws. I’m no game designer just what I think would be cool!

[@ImKainn]

Layer 2 isn't bad, but they should add more content to it. Nowadays, Layer 2 is primarily a place for loot farming and doesn't offer much else to do. Here are my opinions on how to improve it: Quests: They should add more quests, such as speaking with an NPC and completing missions to receive a chest with a higher chance of rare drops. Additionally, some quests could involve tasks outside of Layer 2, like sending "X" item to "X" NPC in Layer 1, and as a reward, you get a talent card. Floor 1: In my opinion, Floor 1 should be a more open-world area with more quests, monsters, civilizations, etc. The idea of portable lamps is excellent. My suggestion is to have an open-world map to explore, with portable lamps that have a limited number of uses and need to be recharged at the Ignition Union base to use them again. As you mentioned, there should be a blacksmith in Firfire where you can craft certain armors. In my opinion, you should only be able to craft master armors at this blacksmith, since it's already easy to make them; you only need to be level 15 and have a storage slot with the necessary items or have the items in the bank. Floor 2: For Floor 2, they should remove the trap NPCs and provide more assistance to players entering this area, such as a quest like "Activate all the Lamps 0/5" when you enter Layer 2. In the library, your idea of making the code to pass through it random is a great idea that would make the game more enjoyable and immersive for non-speedrunners. In the city on Floor 2, they need to redesign it entirely, in my opinion. Currently, you can bypass the entire city and activate the lamps without fighting a single mob, which removes the challenge from Layer 2. This makes the only challenging parts the Scion Of Ethiron fight and the escape sequence. Sorry for some mistakes in my writing, im from Brazil and im learning English (Used Translator after making my text)

[@boozados]

Would be cool but probably too ambitious because of the way the devs work. A neat way to expand Layer 2 floor 1 would be the gate thing you get near Diver Journal 3. In one of the first twitter posts for Layer 2, it says the divers finally found a shrine or something implying that divers mostly explored outside what we did possibly

[@superschaf1610]

When it comes to how the lighthook time recharge is calculated, i found it to be 2 minutes waiting before starting to recharge at a 1:1 rate. Although important to note is im pulling this from personal experience and I havent taken the time to extensively confirm this theory yet

[@LD-dt1sk]

Fun fact: If you use ironsing you have a mantra called iron skin which can regenerate your armour in layer 2

[@basicplate6591]

about the parasite part, ive talked about the arc suit protecting against the parasites, as its a main point of the arc suit in lore as the flame req is too keep you warm in layer 2.

[@platinumbon9155]

About the light hook. Perhaps i didn't properly understand what you were saying but its timer only goes to 10 minites if you use it as an item or die while holding it. Beating floor 1 and escaping it via the light hook spawned by klaris gives you a full 20 minute light hook on your next run no matter what. Anyway, overall thoughts on layer 2? Sort of wasted potential in some areas but what we got in the end is still great. Personally i dont just speedrun layer 2, I start exp farming there too whenever i hit level 15. Floor 1/2 and the fight against scion of ethiron seem like a joke to me and is just free exp to me nowadays. Funny how killing scion of ethiron used to give you only like 8 investment points ot something lmao.

[@painfulperfect8520]

With your videos, i feel like playing the game again, your ideas for the game are to be honest good, if i had to say one specific idea, it would be the Firfire one, the devs should hear you out

[@boozados]

Yeah the fire thing is odd. Just as you I would like to see a developer’s reasoning for graceful flame not working in Layer 2. Not quite the same thing but we have functional lanterns. We have the Gale Wax puzzle which curiously enough, is lit with azure flames. We also have the name Firfire for the town on floor 1. Recently the name might sort of make sense since its where you can find a disciple of Pleetsky and there is a fiery heat emanating from there but that is about it. To sum it up, really odd that graceful flame doesn’t work here when as you mentioned, it should work a lot better in a snowy landscape with parasitic snow that is susceptible to heat as opposed to an ocean

[@Lumensm]

Eclipse, i think that many of the points you have mentioned are being saved up for layer 3, for example, the firfire race might have left to layer 3 for some unknown reason maybe they saw pleeksty's potential for power and decided to join him and helped him ascend to godhood or some stuff while these firfire dudes that are in L2 have been uninformed of it, for example this is how it cojld have went: an exploration team of firfires went to explore l2 to the fullest or maybe go back to layer 1 (there are yurts (buildings looking like bubble houses) in a part of L1 possibly signifying firfire's influence) and while they were oit of the main area, pleeksty and the others left to L3. Upon coming back, the exploration group noticed everyone was missing and assumed that they just were the last of their kind. And so, we would get to see the firfire race in their fullest in L3, with some of the points you have mentioned such as armour/clothing, a blacksmith specifically for that equipment and whatever else there could be.

[@notemo7440]

Personally as a new player, I really appreciate the light hook, not as a get out of jail free card, but as something that lets a new person explore the new area without immediatly getting crushed or trapped. Like imagine how’d you feel if you were a new player and fell off of the edge of the depths and just woke up in layer two with no idea how to escape.

[@enerrji]

I believe the lighthook is designed to explore and learn the mechanics of l2. As you said once in your previous videos, Deepwoken is a trial and error game. Its what allowed you and many other players to learn the patterns of the Bonekeeper fight. Its what allowed players to learn how the parasites and the wind works.

[@Affogato1300]

on the closing thoughts question, I'm one of those people that's realized how beautiful Eternal Gale looks and how infuriating it is to have Parasites act as a artificial and unnecessary timer that doesnt let me freely explore the layer even after completing it tenths of times over and over. I just hate the unneeded timers especially when they give us maps as extensive as these with no chance of fully appreciating the whole scope of the map-maker's vision. Also your Firfire idea is so good man

[@kermit4036]

Tbh i was disappointed that Layer 2 turned out to be a dungeon instead of a completely new hub, a dungeon you have to complete under a time limit on top of that

[@Beeeiee]

Good news about the firfire section, they did indeed add something to firefire which is a miniboss that drops the new legendary weapon they added like 3 days ago. What an amazing start, just ignore the fact that to fight this boss you must have a bell, have no light hook and when speaking to the npc you must have specific stat requirements or else he just insta kills you.

[@sopa33]

There is also a fourth trap in layer 2, in New Kyrsa you can enter in a building that once you get in, will lock most (except one) of its doors and spawn a lot of kyrs mobs so you can have so much fun

[@The--O]

Eclipse switched to playing a good game, Glad you're enjoying deepwoken Eclipse!

[@OffContentObi]

Just realize this maybe the reason arch give us the portable lamp backpack

[@realsupergonks]

as problematic as layer 2 is, rest assured eclipse that blox fruit stands proudly with 0 issues whatsoever ❤❤

[@Greyman-Gaming]

Defeating the 8 Snowmen: A Blox Fruit Story

[@orangejuice4910]

Literal autism

[@glitched3494]

yes

[@fishsticks4207]

Has a lot of issues and crashed Roblox twice as a whole

[@Airbelt]

@@Greyman-Gaming Defeating 8 Snowmans: A Blox Fruit Story

[@hulomulo]

I really like everything you said and wished that’s what actually occurred. My first time in layer 2 I was too scared because I didn’t want to die and get wiped, from there forth I learned about the light hook and began just having fun and trying to beat chaser. I wish it was more on the side of explore and learn like east luminant and the other seas, because that’s where I had the most fun in deepwoken exploring and fighting random dudes with my friends.

[@boozados]

I’m surprised that as someone who really enjoys the world design you didn’t bring up the monsters. I’ve always been bothered by the lack of variety and quantity but the quality is still there I think. Take Scyphozia for instance, it feels a lot more lively in comparison and even got two new mobs but more practically one since the Brute and Broodlord are reskins of each other with different stats. Layer 1 has about 14 different enemies. A lot of these are also found in the surface(Crustaceous Rex and the two jellyfish) but this makes sense even if you think its lazy. These even have cool lore implications, like how are a bird and a spider in a deep sea? Layer 2 technically has 8 fightable monsters I think including Scion of Ethiron but Kyrsgarde variants make a majority of these and are more like another race like how elves are in fantasy stories outside of a gameplay perspective. Now we are left with the Diver Husk, Carbuncle, Bounder, and Bonekeeper. The Diver Husks and presumably Carbuncles too(emphasizing on this because idk why they exist outside Layer 2) can be grouped up into Gale Parasites. We are fighting the parasites with varying hosts eventually. So we get 3 unique types of mobs here, Bounder, Bonekeeper, and parasites. It feels oddly empty in Layer 2 which is supposed to be a whole new realm essentially. It is a dungeon that plays way more linearly than Layer 1 but in terms of size are probably relative and Layer 1 probably gets outsized if you include Layer 2 Floor 2. They’re not even talked about by npcs for some reason like Megalodaunts are and I think that is a missed opportunity. They’re almost as obscure as Primadon. Supposedly there was meant to be a crab monster thing from an Agamatsu video and that would’ve been cool to have. To sum it up, Layer 2 does not have a very interesting monster pool. Also, a bestiary would be a cool way to give monsters some spotlight. Could be implemented as a book series starting with archivist megalodaunt or whatever it was

[@repel3202]

Layer 2 has a couple of unique equipment drops that cannot be obtained anywhere else (or are just VERY difficult to find anywhere else) 1. Chaser's Bloodforged Crown. A red crown with a blood-reducing talent that is SO rare barely anyone has held one. 2. Delver's Duster. A leather jacket from an Ignition Union Deepdelver. It's a mythical equipment you usually get in Ethiron or Chaser But i agree, Layer 2 needs some more love.

[@shunsui_43]

The devs actually listened and added most of the things you talked about in this update. Cheers to good weekly updates

[@dankerbooper]

The thing about layer 2 is that despite Deepwoken sort of being inspired by Roguelites, there is essentially no random map generation in the ENTIRE game. Even something like a maze puzzle that you'd figure would be the easiest to randomize they didn't bother doing. The closest they get is to sometimes switching up the positions of monsters and chests in layer 2. This is part of why its just a loot speedrunning simulator now.

[@ShizueUwU]

This comment section just shows how much deepwoken players want to ruin everything for everyone

[@hateyourenzo1914]

I'd like to mention that with the layer 2 instakills, they actually did add a new one in which you must go to a specific spot at a cave near the town in floor 1 (which you can easily fall off into the deathpit below at) and go through doors that dont open unless you went down with no light hook, and you are then burnt to death and wiped if you do not meet multiple requirements when talking to an NPC to obtain a new weapon

[@nolem5538]

You know, if deepwoken had a single player option or even private servers I feel like I would have enjoyed the game more. I've always enjoyed single player and Co op games over pvp and deepwoken has things that really interest me, but I really don't like the pvp aspects of the game, all my interactions with other players basically boiled down to either they want to kill me or they don't want to interact whatsoever. I had about 2 interactions I would call good/fun with other players but they were pretty nice. I really wish they added a way to play single player, preferably separate from the mmo part so people can't use this as a way to Max out a character without needing to meet another player. I hope some other people think a single player deepwoken would be fun cause I genuinely would probably play more of the game, if I didn't feel the constant stress and fear of my progress being wiped by someone who played the game more and leveled more who just decided to choose me to pick on.

[@nolem5538]

Experiencing deepwoken like my first time playing elden ring. Without any invaders, letting me explore the world and figure thing out for my self without any worries of someone just killing me with a meta build or something would be wonderful.

[@IrisBread]

no

[@thebloodynine5665]

no.

[@nolem5538]

@@thebloodynine5665 care to elaborate ?

[@Nextquestionisfrom]

Try deepbound, its mostly jolly cooperation against stronger enemies

[@kyleisnormal]

THEY ADDED PORTABLE LANTERN YOOOO

[@DeathlyiOS]

I just started deepwoken 3 days ago and I already wiped my max build, but I just can’t stop playing

[@Bobgamin]

Eclipse make a video about deepwoken origins and suggest them to add ignition union origin please

[@theoreticalexistence9630]

Every time I see somebody bring up issues with deepwoken I can't help but think: "Oh hey that's ALSO only a problem because they slapped permadeath onto an open world RPG." Don't get me wrong, simply removing permadeath wouldn't solve everything, but it sure would solve alot! Light hook being annoying for no reason: Permadeath. (it no longer has a reason to exist without it) Being forced to speedrun and ignore all the cool worldbuilding because you're on a time limit before you die: Permadeath. (hey you can actually enjoy the game now) Feeling like you're completely forced to use a guide or you will literally never progress: Permadeath. (and bad game design) (trial and error doesn't take several hours per try anymore, a guide being optimal would still suck but atleast trying to learn on your own isn't putting you in the "incredibly brave minority") NPCs deciding they want to be funny and kill you without warning: Permadeath. (would just be funny if you didn't lose your entire character and in some cases could be a way to grind) Players never even reaching the cool content even months or more after it releases: Permadeath. (This just... wouldn't happen without permadeath unless the player in question is completely godawful at the game and refuses to learn progression and combat.) Deepwoken has so much more going for it than just permadeath. So much so that it absolutely baffles me when people claim that it would somehow instantly lose all of its replayability and die on the spot if it was removed. I wish I could enjoy deepwoken for all of those great things it has going for it, but I'm not gonna deal with all this nonsense when other PvP/PvE games exist.

[@lordminlo]

6:20 about the portable lantern to counter parasite, the railblade should've been able to do that and you kinda can verify it since it's on the lore and description of the weapon

[@Phill720]

The drill IMO makes sense, in the depths if you fall in the void instead of an instant wipe.You are granted a chance to escape through the drill. The reason why don’t keep anything is that you are meant to beat the boss chaser. What would end up happening is people would just farm the mudskipper npcs and do the wax and leave through the drill without risking fighting chaser.

[@leafyumm]

personally i dont play deepwoken (mainly because im not a fan of getting wiped in games and i dont feel like spending money on it) but watching your videos on this game is super fun and i hope you make more

[@arlongnida6595]

6:15 they actually already did invent a portable "lantern" to keep the parasites off of you, and that is the Railblade. In the description of the weapon, it says something about it emitting heat that keeps the parasites off of you, but it actually doesn't do that when you are using it.Some youtuber already talked about this topic.

[@averageinternettroll]

"Im not saying layer 2 is bad" *sounds of pitchforks dropping*

[@glebs5465]

1 minor problem I have that wasn’t mentioned in the video is some of the terrain. I often found myself accidentally clipping into the floor and walls very often in layer 2 because the terrain was a lot more bumpier that it is on layer 1 or the surface.

[@koenigseggpeta4360]

6:15, they have worked on a "portable" lamp thing, or whatever it's called, the railblade. while it doesn't have a passive like warding off the parasites, it says in it's lore that it has the ability to do so. just thought it might be a cool thing to add

[@guhuhhuh3630]

Personally I prefer the speed running route through layer 2 now since I’ve done it over 100 times and atp it becomes really tedious trying to farm loot or get medallions, although the new secret passage to floor 2 and double chest weekends have helped with this. However I also do really enjoy first time exploration of places and going in blind but only for a little while before it’s actually gets tedious. I think it would be worthwhile to have a system in place for layer 2 and future dungeons where if it’s new to you and it’s your first time, the risks of wiping your character should be reduced or maybe just removed for the first few runs. And maybe for future dungeons when they drop there can be a week grace period of no wiping to allow blind exploration without requiring a guide

[@purketz5231]

Hey Eclipse, just wanted to say regarding the loot section that most people when making pve build do not look at the talents, I saw how you brought up the immortal helm with indeed is very good but with a pve build people mainly focus on the actual stats and not the given talent. Although you may be correct that the loot between layers is not good, there is still very good items when it comes to how you dress in deepwoken, which is a whole other area of fun for people to dress up and cosplay.

[@justsomeguywithnomaidens1770]

Thank you eclipse they must have watched your video they added some things you said in the new update