What If Griffith Had ACTUALLY Done Nothing Wrong (Berserk)

[@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901]

If Griffith did nothing wrong, he would have put his sword away, and simply asked Guts "Why are you leaving?". Guts would explain it, Griffith would realize his mistake and either talk Guts into staying, claiming he was the only man he ever considered his equal or consider him an equal and bid him good luck.

[@drdoofenstock5559]

Dam I wish he’d done that I really liked Griffith until he turned evil like I understood his reaction and I think after his fight he should’ve understood what he’d done wrong and should’ve found a way to improve the hawks

[@shathaan1763]

and they all lived hapilly ever after

[@isyanaya2406]

Then he marry princess Charlotte and get his own kingdom and bring world in peace. Everyone's happy, the end

[@Freshbreadthe2nd]

Guts would know that it's a lie. Because he heard Griffith say that the only one who could be his friend, his equal, would be a man like him who pursue his own ideals, Guts staying could not be his equal by his own definition, so Guts could not be convinced.

[@sir_gil]

@@isyanaya2406 it’s crazy how we love stories like this because the others seem less realistic but in the end this evil can’t be sympathized with and the ending seems so far from reality when the answer was always right there since their first encounter

[@jacopoarmini7889]

I just pictured Griffith answering no to the God Hand and Void just going "Well boys, we done here, everybody go home!" and then they all just leave, with a choir of disappointed apostles behind

[@clarissasann]

LMAO

[@sindasage4818]

That’s a pretty harmless way for it to end lol

[@kkrobertson1]

I agree! Once Griffith gave the words they were marked and the feast began! And the gods hands showed him his life if he had refused them! So this video is kinda point less.

[@warmac88]

Lol

[@knowcomment4525]

If you want a scenario/example where a character in a comparable position and with a remarkably similar ambition and path like Griffith, instead chose to give up on his selfish dream and and to offer up his life along with his comrades and soldiers in the face off certain death, look no further than Erwin Smith from Aot/Snk. The major difference to Griffith ofc is that he didn't intend to become a charismathic leader and inspiring figure, but he accepted the implications and consequences of this nonetheless the same as Griffith. The best example of their likeness in this regard is both being symboly depicted as having climbed to their standing and status by having piled up a mountain of corpses made out of their underlings allowing them to come closer to their respective goals. On the other hand if you want an example of what Griffith would have become, if he hadn't foolishly decided to sleep with Princess Charlotte and jeopardize his own future and dream, I would say the best canidate (in anime/manga at least) would be King Canute from Vimland Saga, whise dream is also to create a utopia/paradise like Falconia, just in historical fictional setting and through equally cruel (Ends justify the means) yet, wellmeaning methods like Griffith did.

[@MedicinalVorona]

Griffith learns how to use magic and becomes professor x

[@meterothecrow6270]

King cripple

[@asinussum]

Instead of Farnese it be Griffith who becomes a witch

[@corvuscorax9028]

guts become a logan

[@godhandstan3908]

That's why Serpico's eyes are always closed. He's Cyclopse.

[@MarcAlcatraz]

Griffith the Broken

[@The_Vincening]

I think in this scenario, that Griffith would be the the one to get the berserker armor. They would give it to him so that he could move and function, and it would still add some elements of Femto as he struggled to control his inner darkness. That would be pretty interesting.

[@shooterkid23]

Now that’s interesting

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

¡¿White berserker armor?!

[@pablogalleguillo9166]

Hawk shaped Berserker armor? That sounds interesting

[@demontimeyt4438]

Idk if it works like that. The berserker armour doesn't fix anything. It forces the body to keep going till you die. Griffith was already injured as he is and when guts had broken bones it compressed them back together in place. Griffiths tendons were cut. I don't think he can move even with berserker armour. Do you know the purpose of tendons?

[@joehill4094]

@@demontimeyt4438 What is stopping it from stapling his cut tendons back together?

[@choueriito2548]

0:15 "The second is from individuals with functioning eyes." So you're saying that if we think Griffith did nothing wrong, we need to....put our grasses on?

[@danieleasterling3763]

Yes

[@johnwotek3816]

Nothing will be wong!

[@SpaceEmperorGenos]

@@johnwotek3816 theres no brame, theres no fame

[@ergun1986]

@@SpaceEmperorGenos it's ap tu yu

[@kovacsnovak6745]

@@ergun1986 de ferst won shood B finded

[@radiogagaart8157]

If Griffith and Guts followed the first rule of a relationship and communicated in that last duel “Why are you leaving?” “You said to be your best friend I gotta find my own dream” “Ah, my mistake, pls stay” they might have spared the world of the apocolypse of demons lol

[@writtenpieceopaper1]

Maybe not even then. Griffith is all about himself without being aware of his own feelings.

[@shiranuiprestonsaga8867]

If Griffith said No i think he would break causality

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

What if Griffith met FULGRIM 😎

[@watersage7395]

@@IronWarhorsesFun that is some slanesshi heresy right there

[@creepadept]

Maybe slanesh gets another daemon prince Then again Griffith doesn’t take servitude very so just might get culled instead

[@ianharrison5758]

@@IronWarhorsesFunI’m ngl, Griffith is evil, but the way slaanesh twisted fulgrim is one of the most extreme falls from grace I’ve ever seen in fiction. He always had an ego but all his brothers did and that alone wasn’t a big deal, it was tempered by his philosophy regarding perfection, and the responsibility of the powerful to the powerless. At his best he was an arrogant but ultimately a good person and loyal to his father. Then he found the Laeir blade, and it’s influence led him down a path of inhuman depravity. As a series Berserk can rival the darkness of 40k but Fulgrim after he fell to chaos makes Griffiths actions look like the work of a beginner. He’s like all the worst aspects of Griffith were combined with lovecraft levels of insanity and megalomania. If they met, I assume one of them is not leaving alive and I’m not sure how powerful Griffith actually is compared to a demon primarch. I assume given what I’ve read so far he’s probably got more raw power than Fulgrim but Fulgrim is fundamentally immortal now, so killing him is kinda moot since he will respawn and demons can do weird shit in 40k. The fact he’s been damn near nonexistent in the lore since the heresy Doesn’t help. At least we see Angron fight people Fulgrim got nuked by a former son bc he was a bigger chad than he was and the mfs holding the explosion back let it kill them to inconvenience Fulgrim. Like a world ending Bomb went off and it didn’t even banish him, but the hit to his ego was so bad idk if he’s even left his pleasure world since, bro hasn’t stopped role playing(cannon) like 10k years. Either one of them dies, or they team up and penetrate people in ways that aren’t possible in 3D space and idk what sounds scarier. Then fighting anywhere near me or the idea they get along

[@TheMaskedMan]

Now it’s Boofire’s turn to deal with the plentiful *Griffith Stan comments*

[@5thnovemberscrivener634]

It is the way. ;)

[@miuraslover996]

Oh hey wassup Masked

[@tijmajini1276]

Masked and Boof leading the holy crusade to end the abomination that is the #Griffithdidnothingwrong

[@quadoof316]

DONOVAN

[@5thnovemberscrivener634]

@@tijmajini1276 Dues Vult: INTENSIFIES!!!!!!!!!!

[@MarcAlcatraz]

Have anyone done a "What if Guts had never overheard Griffith's "true friends" speech?" it is such an important and sobering moment for Guts that it would make a huge divergence in the OG plot and the Eclipse would either not have happened or have been set back much further (causality and all that jazz).

[@vaannebilim]

The speech is a trigger of the situation but guts was already thinking about his position in life so it could happen in time maybe in a later moment than the of happened so this could cause to Griffith not lose his temper and fuck everything but again we have the king who will oppose any kind of approach of Griffith to the throne

[@kongthao9935]

Wouldn't have made a difference. Zodd the Immortal already got Guts thinking. He couldn't have made such a prediction without having witnessed the previous incarnation of the Crimson Behelit. Griffith's little speech just drove the final nail in the coffin.

[@jaketheberge1970]

I think the king of Midland would still throw Griffith into the dungeon eventually. Griffith would try to marry Charlotte and the king would not be willing to accept that. The difference being that Griffith would not have done something as stupid as sleep with an unwed princess if Guts stayed in the Band Of The Hawk. The king would have come up with some justification to turn on Griffith since he's a hero now. Kings still crazy and with his wife dead would still develop his sick obsession with Charlotte.

[@janosoroshazi23]

In my oppinion Guts could have easily avoided Griffith losing his composure and sleeping with Sharlotte out of spite, if he just sat down with Griffith and talked things out with him properly, instead of trying to leave without a word, sure Griffith wouldn't have liked that either, but he would have had a bigger understanding why he wanted to leave. Or in the end, would have everything go south no matter what? You tell me...

[@ouflag6799]

@@jaketheberge1970 honestly with guts there if the king tried to pin something on griffith catching them would be a lot more dificult

[@AndrewBrownK]

As far as "doing things wrong" goes, his first real mistake was dropping in on Charlotte as a coping mechanism against Guts leaving. So if he had ACTUALLY done nothing wrong from that point, then you can bet he'd be on the path to his kingdom ala the Golden Age, sticking to the mortal realm.Could still get interesting plots with Zodd, Wyald, Ganishka, etc.

[@SerifSansSerif]

This is what I was going to say. If he didn't go after Charlotte, he would have never angered the king, never been tortured, never fell to the behilit. If instead he pursued executing the king first .... :3

[@YurinanAcquiline]

@@SerifSansSerif He should have waited for the king to die and grab Charlotte after.

[@zaifir8119]

Just think it. Confirm that you will sacrifice. Nah, i'm good. What? Really? Yes, i won't sacrifice. Well this is awkward... Uh, well due to unforseen events one of you lucky folks can take the chance and ascend to be the 5th angel of the god hand. Pippin, you always wanted to become a dark god, right? Judeau? Corkus? Does it have to be Corkus? Fine... And thus the god hand has to suffer for all eternity because they just got themselfs into an eternity with Corkus as their 5th member.

[@eliaspanayi3465]

God hand: can I have band of the hawk for lunch Griffith: no we have food at home

[@kongthao9935]

Slan: "I want the muscular guy that's standing next the scrawny white haired one."

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

@@kongthao9935 NICE

[@SPFLDAngler]

English isn't your first language, is it?..

[@zaifir8119]

@@SPFLDAngler Nope, any obvious mistakes i should know about?

[@tannerbarnes7392]

Now hold up! Griffith's first mistake was screwing Charlotte, not activating the Behelit. If he'd kept his cool after Guts' departure, he probably would have continued until he eventually became a king. For that matter, we could go back even further and say that his first mistake was having the philosophy he has about his men. If he'd been able to show his emotions and react to adversity like a regular person, while still being the genius that he was, he'd have been a wholly different commander.

[@DIEGhostfish]

His mistake was badmouthing guts. And the rest of the band.

[@mc_zittrer8793]

Developing a philosophy isn't the same as just picking up a sword. It's made from a patchwork of experiences, and whether you learned the right lesson from those experiences. Even if Griffith is a genius, there was never any indication that his Hawks commanders had any insight into what he was feeling or thinking. If anything, Guts was the only one with any real insight into Griffith's psyche, with the slight exception of Caska. Regardless, Griffith was mostly his own teacher through his adolescence. While it's exceptional that he was able to raise a band of mercenaries as a prepubescent boy, one can't expect to grow in all the ways important for becoming a self actualized and whole human being - especially since Griffith's dream was completely self serving.

[@naturalstrength8393]

If Griffith didn't do what he did, he'd just live the rest of his life a cripple and die while having to witness Guts and Casca's relationship blooming infront of him.

[@JoaoPedro-ps8lk]

He would reap the consequences of his actions? Oh nooooooo

[@lalboimanlun1230]

Thats still far better than sacrificing all your friends and rape your own best friend's girl who happens to be your friend as well. That's from the perspective of us audience and for everyone except Griffith and you(maybe).

[@arturzinurov4781]

Lalboi Manlun also viewing guts as his property and being too prideful to accept that maybe people have other wants in live then to be his stepping stone, oh maybe wait before having sex with the princess.

[@TheCriiss180]

yes and he deserve it

[@naturalstrength8393]

Cool Boy of the Cool Bois You think a person deserves to be tortured for a year straight to the point of crippling them for life because they slept with a girl?

[@Demokirby]

Alternate version if dual in the Snow scene. Guts: " I need to leave to find my own dream." Griffith: "I am disappointed to see you have to leave, but I respect your wishes and hope you one day find yourself. We will be here for you." Timeline completely changed.

[@kingautumn569]

Then Griffith goes on with his quest,kills the king,marries Charlotte,and becomes king

[@Demokirby]

@@kingautumn569 And guts eventually realizes that what he really needed was the Hawks the whole time and comes back as a more fullfilled person. Meanwhile, all the rest of the members of the Hawks are able to fullfill their own dreams, except Corkus, but he dies in a 3 way, so not completely bad.

[@wackgaming3487]

The dream team: Guts, Goblin Slayer, Master Chief, and Doom Guy.If this team existed no evil would exist.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Evil isn't something you can murder out if existence.

[@opinionatedfifteenyearold6044]

​@@seekingabsolution1907 the Doom Slayer says otherwise

[@YOUR_INTRUSIVE_THOUGHS]

​@@opinionatedfifteenyearold6044he's literally too angry to agree with common sense

[@Th3_Mast3r_Plan]

Wait, I thought that the only reason the monsters were allowed to slaughter the band of the hawk was because of the brand of the sacrifice and that the monsters weren't allowed to eat them otherwise or something to that effect.

[@zeusayala]

Its like a ritual Wait for the event then eat But if the event fails to happen They still get to eat

[@bigmoe9856]

@@zeusayala suppose that's fair. The only lose is Griffith not ascending, which he's rebelling against anyway

[@pengmaeda9908]

Maybe the Brand makes people taste better? Idk I'm just thinking theres a better incentive to eating only after the branding has happened, like taste, or slightly more energy in them?

[@IrvineTheHunter]

@@pengmaeda9908 The idea of the brand is their souls or whatever become a demons power, it doesn't matter who kills them as long as they are a sacrifice for X demon. I'm basing that off Slug demons second iteration as well as the discussion of demons being trapped in hell dimensions with their sacrifices.

[@vaannebilim]

The mark is used to curse the soul of the people that are branded so when they die they are locked to that process of creating more behelits The eating is part of their "party" apostles eat humans constantly there is not difference they just do it this way because they "eat humans half playing". Also is important they share the blood and parts of corpses to build a new body for the new demon

[@moodook4040]

If he'd done nothing wrong he wouldn't have pushed Guts to leave, he wouldn't have slept with Charlotte and wouldn't have been crippled. You covered it well, I'm just being pedantic.

[@mc_zittrer8793]

Well, for such a unique story as Griffith's, it's really not possible for him to do right. From the onset, his dream of greatness is admirable, but also self-serving. He was merely following the framework of his dream, even when he was fucking up and bedding a princess because he was in tilt. Why did he raise an army? To serve himself. Why did he deflower Charlotte before the King was okay with calling him an in-law? To serve himself. Why did he sacrifice his family of the Hawk? Yeah, to serve himself. It's like his story is a really unique deconstruction of Lucifer's story.

[@micromints1735]

Griffith would still be a forgivable character if he hadn’t raped Casca solely out of jealousy but that scene deliberately exists only to cement him as an unredeemable monster.

[@powmaomusic]

I think it was more meant to cover all bases and really get across that he’s rejected his humanity. Griffith commits two irredeemable acts - one on a grand scale, and then one on a personal, intimate scale, because a good storyteller knows that however horrible sacrificing a thousand mostly nameless and faceless mercenaries are, a single transgression against an individual on a personal scale is always going to hit harder.

[@Freshbreadthe2nd]

@@powmaomusic well said

[@edwardgaines6561]

*Hbi2k,* who made _Berserk Abridged,_ already wrote an alternate ending. Griffith says no to the Godhand, they all return to Earth, and the Hawks heal Griffith's body with the *elf dust* Judeau still has. No need for Elfhelm.

[@themister.s-1st]

But can elf dust regenerate? Healing and Regeneration are 2 different things. His tongue was cut out and his arm tendons taken out. Not damaged removed. Can you heal what’s not there?

[@ale-xsantos1078]

^ What he said I think the dust would help, he wouldnt be living in complete misery if healed, but he would still need to go to Elfhelm to truly get back what he lost during torture(or atempt to) Also if he did start dating Charlotte again like in the Abridged, when the invasion started they would have to run away and find a place to hide Specially with Casca pregnant or with her baby already born, Guts would have to take her and the child to somewhere safe and this is where I believe their shared new journey would start

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

@@ale-xsantos1078 ¡Guts god hand!

[@mc_zittrer8793]

@@themister.s-1st Yeah, and it was heavily implied that wasn't the extent of how he was disfigured. On top of having chunks of his flesh removed, I'm willing to go on a limb that Griffith was also castrated. Whoever made this Berserk Abridged seems to think fairy dust works like sensu beans, which seems kinda cheap and small minded for a story as ambitious as Berserk.

[@nasserfirelordarts6574]

Is that the bloodborne theme in the background? That's quite fitting!

[@hunterskidmore1672]

It is

[@suyashgupta6621]

Nah man, I think it's dark souls 3.

[@doppelganger9254]

@@suyashgupta6621 its Hunter's Dream - Bloodborne

[@MisterMelvinheimer]

@@suyashgupta6621 they're the same game tbh.

[@doctorofthugganomicsphd8158]

MisterMelvinheimer okay dummy

[@dmenor11ification]

An actual, well thought out look on the "Griffith says no" idea... Fanfic authors like me: *It's free real estate.*

[@joshuaslough1295]

Wouldn't Casca be pregnant if Griffith didn't bow to the God Hand?

[@edwardgaines6561]

Yup. And that means Guts wouldn't leave Casca for some bizarre quest. Not unless he wants to say goodbye to steady sex and breast milk.

[@princesshibana3674]

I mean also yeah if he didn't rape Casca she was pregnant at the time around the eclipse her and Guts was not aware of... So when he raped Casca while being unaware of pregnancy the child was tainted due to Femto (Griffth) rape that how the demon child was born if that's what you mean...

[@skydragon3857]

@@edwardgaines6561 wtf

[@thelegoyousteppedon]

Gut was gonna have a kid and then Griffith happened

[@chriswentz5197]

@@edwardgaines6561 Ok......Weird but ok

[@obolstudios5154]

Griffith: ‘says no to becoming a god hand member’ Void: *’opens his eyes’* “now this is some wacky shit if I’ve ever seen it”

[@doppelganger9254]

If not for Ganishka, there would be no Fantasia.(Ganishka dropped into the experiment vessel due to realizing Griffith's overwhelming power over him) If not for Griffith, the world would not be full of monsters as of now. (Skull Knight cutting transformed Ganishka trying to kill Griffith) Griffith set in motion everything, if he had not sacrificed - the Fantasia - or monsters everywhere would have never happened OR would have been DELAYED until next 5th God Hand is born. Griffith destroyed the barrier between Humans and Monsters(Spirit world). Griffith now is making sure monsters are in check, as Humans are far weaker and a minority. Griffith is literally a barrier between Humans and Monsters, it is in his hands now if the balance is kept or if one side wins, though the "balance" now favors monsters quite a lot. Humans are fucked.

[@kongthao9935]

Don't forget. That Behelit apostle and his false eclipse was what brought Griffith back. He wished for a new world. Thereby sacrificing nearly everyone at the Tower of Conviction. Griffith was remade from all the sacrifices while Gut's son was taken into the egg apostle and reborn(purified?) as the black haired kid that appears to them only during a full moon.

[@emilianomerendino3311]

The idea that with Griffith refusing the offer Berserk would be even darker is quite scary... and almost logical given the setting, as it would make the God Hand even more imprevidble and perhaps desperate, if they're searching to end their plan as quickly as they can.

[@edwardgaines6561]

5:41Aren't you for getting something, Boofire? Casca is technically *PREGNANT* with Guts's Berserker baby! No way Guts is leaving while Casca is blimping up with child. 🚼

[@A_Salty_Fishe]

My headcanon for this scenario: Griffith refuses, and since his body is still frail, he is killed by the demons/Godhand. Guts & Casca survive, though Casca's mind is still broken from the events of the Eclipse: losing her comrades, who she had been leading by herself while Griffith was imprisoned, coupled with losing Griffith himself overhwhelms her. (luckily Femto didn't... you know) Guts loses an arm trying to _rescue_ Griffith, and is also partially blinded when he rescues Casca from meeting the same fate that Griffith did. Skull Knight rescues the two of them, and Guts sets out in vain on a quest to get revenge against The Godhand, who he views as responsible for this. Gotta love that sweet, sweet C A U S A L I T Y

[@necromythos7339]

My biggest question for this scenario has to be: would Guts still get the berserker armor and if so, what form does it take when going Berserk?🤔

[@shiranuiprestonsaga8867]

I think Griffith would get the armor then

[@axsprime]

@@shiranuiprestonsaga8867 Death raven looking armor? Sign me up.

[@zayxen9346]

Wolf

[@CAepicreviews]

I imagine he still would, and he still would have the hound as his armor look - The Beast of Darkness is kind of always shown in his design with the eye/eyes when he is in combat and particularly mad.

[@zaifir8119]

@@shiranuiprestonsaga8867 the armor would work, but i don't think he would survive one use of it, unless they would restore his body before that.

[@countchocula1250]

"Griffith do you really want this?" "no."

[@RawHunterX]

If Griffith "had done nothing wrong", then your story would be about Griffith and not Guts. Which goes entirely against his quest of finding a dream and or following another's. I think even if Griffith will have not sacrificed the Hawks, Guts most probably would ve left him after Griffith's recovery.

[@sirkylelennify]

If Griffith and Guts met Flora in search of a way to heal Griffith, the berserker armor would be a great boon for Griffith. He'd be able to move his broken body normally again.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

FULGRIM: I WILL NOT JOIN THE FUTA SIDE!

[@creepadept]

Brother,there’s heresy here get the heavy bolter

[@hanz2904]

Fulgrim reminds me of Griffith

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

@@hanz2904 I mean they LOOK SO SIMILAR it's almost like a certain Apothecary cloned him🤣. Seriously though there's NO WAY its not dileberate! There are WAY to many similarities 👀

[@lainwarisa]

What makes eclipse so fascinating is if griffith said no, then again he would be kinda a villian for killing all those people because of his dream and then just throwing it away by refusing to reheal( i say during eclipse, even if he could be healed afterwards like discused in the video, he wouldn't have known that during eclipse and thus be more of a irresponsible leader at that time). I think in movies and series there is often that motive that for example main character has decided to "never kill" for example and then they face later in story a choice where if they kill someone they'll save thousands but if they stay passive then thousands will die or similar. So it is a very hard decision and something that as audience u are drawn into bc u don't know what u should do in that place either. Most movies and series don't wanna dirty their main character or make it seem like u can't always win with ur morals never changing so they pretty much make bullshit ending, but berserk does it good bc u actually have to choose and not suddenly find some ideal solution bc in life it's not always ideal. It's damned if u do, damned if u don't. If griffith didn't rape casca, i feel like he wouldn't be hated nearly as much as he is, not even close, as much as eclipse is horrible, rape is one thing that griffith really didn't have to do and what really makes it his "biggest sin" if i can say it that way( oversimplified ofc but that act i feel probokes out of all things the most anger in viewers, without it, eclipse wouldn't be nearly as traumatic as it was)

[@shiranuiprestonsaga8867]

This video basically defines causality

[@semi-useful5178]

Imagine if midway through the theoretical story, when things are about to end, Griffith, by sheer will, overcomes his crippled state and manages to swing a sword just hard enough to give Guts the opening he needs.

[@barrybend7189]

Griffith didn't do everything wrong( until he did before his imprisonment).

[@charlesman8722]

Barry Bend oh he did several things wrong

[@opticalraven1935]

Griffith is the embodiment of selfishness.

[@inferno7181]

There's nothing wrong with rape, betrayal and murder, so he did nothing wrong after imprisonment either.

[@garytsang5673]

Social Justice is the only answer to this toxic series. A little girl will show up and solo all 5 god hands while guts will be a side character saying one line 'you are muh queen' over and over at the final arc.

[@Thixico]

xd

[@kemvaros5031]

Hey, if there's no Caska rape I already love it.

[@RedheadMetalC]

if i'm not imagining, i must have heard Bloodborne music in background.

[@AcceleratorEsper0]

"We dont fully know what happens if an individual refuses the behelit outright" It is my understanding that destined people cannot refuse the behelit if causality says so. Griffith was build and shaped by god himself through generations of causality for him to accept his call and turn into femto, the last godhand, sadly, he knowing it or not, it was never an actual option. You probably already knew everything i just said, but god that is what i love about berserk. I mean, if everything is set in stone, what destiny has in store for guts? Is he destined to greater things? Will he somehow break causality and finally achieve his revenge? Or is he really just another human, who will forever struggle against forces he cant understand. Awesome video btw

[@justthunderbolt40]

I don't think it was impossible for him to refuse, it just was way too late for him to do so. For all his life he chased his dream, he couldn't accept to fail and live as a cripple. God shaped his mind and the circumstances of his life, but thanks to the Count we know that every individual with a behelit can still choose his fate, even when all the circumstances and their mindset push them to make the sacrifice.

[@l0sts0ul89]

nice

[@kongthao9935]

Zodd's prediction says it all. A double edged ploy. Become a king as a mortal or as a demon.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

But the point of the eclipse is that causality doesn't apply there, so a true choice is possible

[@AcceleratorEsper0]

@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon source? I really didnt know that

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

If Griffith had done nothing wrong we would all be mindless tentacle monsters. Thanks to Griffith, only those in power are tentacle monsters.

[@RealLifeRyan]

Don't pull a Miura and hiatus us brah

[@geoforce2272]

Love your content man

[@edwardgaines6561]

You, Boofire, and Masked Man are like the Trifecta of Berserk Fandom right now.

[@AchaOda]

Well, if Griffith had refused the God Hand's offer, he would've died regardless. In his state, he wouldn't have survived long enough after that fall from his horse and the whole banquet of demons.

[@kongthao9935]

Not to mention an angry father on their heels looking to extend Griffith's vacation for life.

[@Lozyder]

this timeline is honestly pretty interesting

[@tomtheconqerur]

What if Griffith was Eric Sparrow's father?

[@joekeith2819]

You missed the first things that Griffith did wrong! Convincing himself that the means, the sacrifice of his soldiers in battle over the years, justified the end of "his kingdom". For what would their deaths mean if he never achieved his goal? Convincing himself that his friendships weakened him and jeopardized his ultimate dream. A struggle snuggle with lady Charlotte... but also, using Guts to do his dirty work with the assassination, which inadvertently led to the death of Adonis. All of these things were pre-eclipse, but definitely led to Griffiths downfall. There was a point when he was good though, thats what makes him so terrifying, and such a great character!

[@warmac88]

Great video Berserk bro!

[@gv1lle]

Cool video and interesting thoughts. You should add this to your Berserk playlist!

[@literallyjustchickensandwich]

Dude i love how you always you Bloodborne or Dark Souls OST.

[@meunomenaoethiago284]

griffith could maybe be cured by puck / shierke / the old witch / the elf queen... that would be the quest for them, to go to elfheim to cure griffith

[@llamapi3]

Very cool analysis. From a storytelling standpoint, as usual, Guts and Griffith are opposites. Griffith is one to give in to destiny and agree with Causality. Guts, on the other hand, is a struggler fighting against that causality. It's just a small facet of what makes both of them such compelling characters. It's a very basic part of their characters and what drives them, even before the eclipse. Griffith was obsessed with Destiny and what was owed to him where Guts was always trying to find that answer himself.

[@yuany8998]

He would've given up his dream and everything to look for Guts, tell him about his true feelings, and travel together with him till the end of time :)

[@CastleFrasher]

Pretty sure if Griffith denied the Godhand he wouldve been pulled into hell just like the count.

[@Dominickun24]

The only thing Griffith did wrong was that old man for war funds.

[@arturzinurov4781]

RyanJ Rants so treating his subjects as tools especially guts and being blind to gut’s development are ok?

[@VespertilioGiganticus]

charlotte was a minor

[@WheediesManchild]

@@arturzinurov4781 I think he's joking. But reading I thought Griffith communicated to his men well that they were tools for him to accomplish his ambition, and that they happily agreed to help him accomplish his ambition. They may not have gone along with it if they knew what it meant, but it was part of their long term contract and loyalty to Griffith; and as this video highlights- they would be dead anyway.

[@DragoonCenten]

Artur Zinurov Yes.

[@nothingbadhere]

@@VespertilioGiganticus In our modern society, yes, she would be a minor. Not in the time setting of Berserk.

[@thenuggernaut9084]

"welp, i have wings and can talk again, y'all should get outta here before these monsters kill ya and i'll be on my way without doing any more evil deeds sorry about the brand nerds"

[@mikufan1212]

did anyone think if guts had given griffith a two weeks notice before leaving the band maybe they might've had some time to talk it out and he wouldn't have been so reckless?

[@doomguydemonkiller]

Thank you for your Berserk content. Hopefully the next discussion will be about the next chapter. If it ever releases

[@conchadeconchos]

ngl griffith redemption will be pretty hard without a tounge. I believe his life for all intensive purpose is done. he will not be going back to anything, it can’t so long as his body cannot regenerate. as his vision showed he would indeed just be an observer to the life around him, tbh it is a miracle if he could even have a kid as he imagined.

[@tammarikfarrar2076]

I'm a little less sure Caska would survive the ordeal if she didn't have the mark of the sacrifice. I think she would have been one of the casualties of the eclipse. I can even see an alternative timeline where Griffith is the on left with the blacksmith while Gutts traveled around looking for a way to take revenge on God Hand. If that were the case I could imagine the story being almost identical, with all of Caska's parts replaced by Griffith.

[@Maheata415]

Interested to see how will guts combat the now new and flourishing falcon army with physics, humans and Apostles. I have also have noticed the detailed emphasis on children and women on the battlefield seemed to bother Griffith and others a great deal, now guts with Farnese, sherike, the mermaid (most likely to command the sea animals alongside the Kushan sorcerer sea familiars). And the little dagger boy forgot his name. Also with help from unit commander ricket and Erica with thier weapons expertise swooping up salat and his guards. Also i can’t wait to see if all the witches and different beings on elfhiem decides to aid guts in Strengthening guts would be army against griffiths.

[@tchoythao5579]

I think this is how it would go... If Griffith rejected the Behelmit, Skull Knight and the Godhand would be going crazy from the change in history and defilement of causality. However, the only one with PTSD would be Griffith. Guts would be arguably weaker from lack of experience and drive at fighting the apostles during his pre-return Journey, and lack the GodHand. However, Guts would most likely become the new acting commander of the Hawks, while Griffith would become the mastermind if he ever overcomes his trauma with Casca acting as his intermediary. Guts would actually have a much larger party, being the remaining band of the hawks that remained loyal to the trio, and have less interaction from Apostles, since none of the members would be marked, which is the magnet for out of the ordinary supernatural phenomena. Most likely their goal would be to find a cure for Griffith, which would not occur due to the lack of supernatural interaction to lead them to certain magical individuals capable of healing Griffith. This can turn into revenge against the king, in which the hawks would probably join the Kushan as bought mercenaries. This is when the gang starts dealing with supernatural forces, and they will eventually find the information to try and save Griffith, but through Kushan magics. This will probably cause a conflict with the mercenaries and the Kushan army in which will end with the Hawks remaining with the kushans or leaving. This causes two events, the Hawks eventual decline into obscurity in the kushan ranks as no real serious matter would occur that specifically needs any of the Hawk members, or the Kushans/Knights eventually kill them all. Guts would be a powerhouse, but no where near the insane feats he displays as he would not have the dragonslayer, nor the drive and superhuman experience that his Black Swordsman incarnation has, to stop the Hawks from being killed, though he might survive. This just makes Guts into the digruntled warrior who's lost everything, like a cowboy movie, setting him up to be the mentor character towards the real MC, Isidruto, who ends up becoming the all powerful savior of the world and talk-no-jutsu's the Godhand towards good.

[@CaspianMidnight]

This would make a goddamn amazing fanfic, not gonna lie. If anyone has experience writing I'd take a shot at it!

[@jakevuckturd1201]

I think you forgot the part where Griffith is essentially a vegetable before his transformation into a god hand. With him not able to ever stand again, perhaps he would one day muster enough strength to control a wheel chair. And I also don't think he's able to talk (I'm pretty sure hes only able to talk before his transformation into a god hand because he's in the spiritual realm and we're hearing his thoughts as a reader). So he likely wouldn't directly lead the band of the hawk anymore. He would probably continue to be miserable in his vegetable-like speech impaired state.

[@Antonfinger1]

it could have worked if griffith died heroic and wasnt a pure scumbag and guts went to avenge the hawks as a berserker

[@miguelpereira9859]

People forget that the bad things that happened to Griffith were a result of HIS actions, in a world where people are midlessly killed raped and tortured for no reason

[@joel0joel0]

and manipulating a little naive girl into loving you, so that you can use her to become King, isn't even a noble action, but a pretty selfish one.

[@SeggyCute]

There’s something about berserk’s art style that makes my brain feel like it’s being massaged? I have no others words on how to describe this feeling.

[@joserodrigues7699]

i always assume people who say griffith did nothing wrong didn't actually read the fucking manga

[@epic321123]

3:20 Definitely not Hell, that's what the big swirly thing of souls is. I'm just calling it the Eclipse

[@nwooly2765]

If Griffith did nothing wrong the eclipse would have never been

[@nailtoolofamusement]

6:22 I'm positive his soul would just get sucked into hell anyway. It's possible that simply entering the eclipse marks your soul as being "of the dark" and Griffith was considered kin by the godhand even as a human so there's little hope on that regard.

[@mediocremason]

_Dear God this video is gonna be a spicy one_

[@ioannidedioannided6183]

Wonder if Griffith never sacrifice anyone and got the berserker armor, it would have been very interesting

[@spaghettiking7312]

Griffith and Guts would've become the humans able to fight against Apostles, once Griffith recovers. I don't know if they could beat the Ganishka, but they could fight the Kushan, and Skull Knight probably could kill Ganishka. An insanely cool scenario.

[@femtohimself71]

"it would be about temptation AND struggle" as if it already isn't?? have you seen the berserk armor? have you seen what the beast of darkness? have you seen the black swordsman arc? or the conviction arc?? my young lad... TEMPTATION IS A STRUGGLE

[@wrangelinhabitant161]

Ahahaha, Das Titelbild passt)))

[@Nononayme]

Гриффит добившись цели сам уже олицетворяет для всех подчинённых цель, поэтому он будет опять лечить Ганса) Неплохое видео, мне понравилось. Особенно первый спойлер)) ни капли в рот - ни миллиметра в зад

[@wv5853]

In the berserk universe guts managed to get his whole arm back and weopenize it so I’m sure Godo could just do that to Griffith’s tendon-less hands and legs and use puk to heal the rest the best they could, maybe.

[@lukepatterson8676]

Crux of the issue is that Griffith laid with the princess. Knowing full well what would happen to him. People here keep saying Oh well what was he supposed to do stay a cripple? Yes, the asshole used his "comrade's" as tools to achieve his goals. When guts left, he threw a self destructive temper tantrum. Griffith is 100% a sociopath manipulating people to achieve his goals. Literally the band of the hawk was thriving all Griffith had to do was coast for a bit fine ways to change the kingdom from within. Just as the king said you flew too high. In FACT Caska time and time and again showed her feelings to Griffith and merely used that as a means for her loyalty so when he saw guts and her being a couple who loved one another it pissed him off. His solution? Let me steal a carrige following the will of an Evil artifact that opens a portal to hell. Then when the asshole KNOWS his friends are getting eaten alive as he bargains them for wings....... openly stating "I want wings." Like bruh..... What??? He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever He shot himself in the foot then used AN ENTIRE PLATOON OF INNOCENT PEOPLE to undo HIS FUCK UP. Don't even get me started into falconia and how it's all a sham I swear I hate this character so much which is a testament to the writer I guess.

[@polyman6859]

Preach

[@opticalraven1935]

That was one of the problems Griffith chose to do.

[@mageplayer9419]

so imagine if Griffith had the berserk armor

[@john80944]

Shit. I couldn't follow this video without heavily working my brain. Now I have to read the series again.

[@odiadordeisrael]

Wasn't the Count dragged into hell for refusing a sacrifice? The same would happen to Griffith.

[@areshime2408]

Didn’t Griffith never answer if he wanted to become a god hand from what I remember after they ask him he just let out a wimpier and Guts ask the leader of the god hand what he said and the leader said he said yes, I’m I remember wrong because if I’m not then maybe he did say no but he couldn’t because it was his destiny and all the vision he sow when he was transforming was the god hand manipulating him

[@clarissasann]

I never thought about how the god hands may have manipulated Griffith at that moment. Nice one. But I think Griffith wanted it, and even tho we don't know what Griffith said, I think they can see through him and knew what he really wanted inside.

[@areshime2408]

Thanks I think he wanted it to it’s interesting to think about though

[@bambusbjorn3756]

Guts and Caskas child would have survived so Guts would become father. He would have a reason to fight for a better world.

[@jevon1007]

Besides Slug King, Griffith also refused a behelit in Qlipoth when dealing with Slan.

[@arx3516]

a cool alternate development would be Grifith planning his ascension to godhood, first plotting to become king of Midland, assassinate the king and marry his daughter becoming king himself, then studyng magic and come up with a ritual to summon and bind the Godhand , then stealing all their power for himself.

[@Yuseigo]

damm i wanna see this version of berserk

[@d3athraz0r22]

I think the series was building so that guts would be offered power via the bechi behelit but he would refuse

[@pengmaeda9908]

It would be cool to see a short spinoff of if Griffith hadn't accepted Godhand membership, but then would that still be Griffith? Because the Griffith I know, would still say yes in all possible realities. That IS CAusALIty AfTER AlLL.

[@bigwillblahblahbla]

Guts is the child of proffeicy . He was the whole time Griffith thought guts would take him there but it was the other way around. Griffith s act of betrale was needed to break guts mind crush him then build him up. He was raised in war born from death lived it brings it wants it needs to kill. The god hand is his arm that he chopped off. And they know it.

[@eriksigalraven8340]

Is very interesting take on the events. I had to agree even though I didnt like Griffith and was horrified by his Eclipse(at same time I cannot blame him for Eclipse bc to be handicapped must be horrible I think I would do the same thing if I ended up in such situation) and I too had a thought that given time period specifics Hawks would still going to be murdered even if it wasnt for Eclipse. And yet again the thing is that even if it wasnt for Eclipse Ganishka would still be a problem and seeing in canon it was Femto who saved Charlotte and managed to defeat Ganishka, if Griffit didnt become Femto then Ganishka would may win

[@Acesahn]

Remember though that the demons wanted to feast on the Band of the Hawk because of the brands of sacrifice. If Griffith didn't take them up, there'd be no brands.

[@Mathias-zf7qx]

I would play TF out of a fire emblem inspired berserk game

[@jefthereaper]

Overall even darker. Regardless of what would happen during this age, the Godhand would just keep doing what they have always done until finally their "chosen one" accepts their fate. If not Griffith now, then it will be another individual years from now. Be it 10 years or more then a 1000 years. Because there is nobody to stop the Godhand, and when the world is in (relative) peace/chaos of human make, nobody will really bother with perusing the Godhand with the same fever and self sacrefice as Skull Knight. So their time to throw the world into chaos will be more of a inevitability, no matter the state of the human world.

[@iquaniqua]

I think that if Griffith refused the godhand and only the trio were saved Guts wouldn't really want to go after the godhand, when he found out most of the band of the hawk was slaughtered after Griffith's imprisonment he didn't express any desire to take revenge, but only to save Griffith and after saving him he planned to rebuild the band and get by instead of planning revenge. The thing that pushed Guts over the edge was not his friends being slaughtered, but the fact that the person who he respected the most and is the whole reason he even has companions betrayed him. I think the story would either end by them settling down or pause till Ganishka's invasion where they'd have a chance to prove themselves to midland again.

[@caseyphelps6232]

Everyone here knows Miura finished berserk a long time ago and has it set up to be released all at once when he dies right?

[@warriorman1708]

Another good solution would be that almost no one thought of it: After the Rescue of Griffith, the Band of the Hawks had to kill him as a euthanasia, because Griffith's body was too crippled to be healed. And he certainly doesn't want to live in this state forever.

[@BecketTheHymnist]

@11:30 What awful things had Griffith done prior to the events of the eclipse?

[@Nick-ow2bs]

Did you even read the manga..?

[@JuanLopez-kk9wi]

Man literally holds a child as a political hostage and have guts kill a man and his child.

[@doxiedomian]

@@JuanLopez-kk9wi killing the child was an accident. Though he did burn a building full of nobles that for the most part weren't involved in the plot to poison him with an arrow

[@garyscott4441]

Firstly, Iets call that place the interstate/intercise? Secondly if Griffith said no, remember it's a gathering for a feast. The apostles would all rush out of the tornado and still eat them all before they left. Plus all of this was set to happen. There was no leaving until Griffith agreed

[@65firered]

I like these types of What-Ifs, I hope we can see more, even if we don't know how the original story ends.

[@Everythinggoodstaken]

Whether Griffith slept with the princess in order to make himself feel better after Guts leaving or knowing the consequences so they’d be forced to get everyone together to save him. I feel like he self destructed because Guts was really the reason they made it so far, all of his achievements in battle pushed them forward.