Borderlines: No Win Relationships, BPD Enigmas Decoded

[@leilacarvalho409]

Insane how the mind creates these situations just to cope with the shit your parents or parent has done to you 😞

[@NownZen]

So true! I Love my mom and dad, but boy some damage was done. I’m grateful to have taken a longggggggg break from intimate relationships to learn to process and own emotions. Though I’d love to have a healthy reciprocal relationship, I’m not sure it’s worth the risk at this point, until I’m incredibly stable on my own….. happiness comes from within, and unselfish service to others…,

[@jimmckenzie6560]

Why blame my parents for having a personality disorder? Too easy. I just have shitty character traits that I cannot tame or control. My own character is to blame for all of my failures with the only thing to do is stay away from people so I cause no harm. It's just life.

[@Superior.scenicmoods]

@@jimmckenzie6560blaming yourself is just as damaging ( and a waste of energy/focus) as blaming parents. Your childhood 💯 formed you. But now what? Do the work with enthusiasm and curiosity!

[@jimmckenzie6560]

@@Superior.scenicmoods The blame, if you want to call it that, is mine alone. The World is not responsible, I am. Thank you.

[@juantorres7810]

Don't forget on the parents's side, this is also an unconscious process, they don't know other way, either.

[@Yngn12]

You’ll feel extremely loved at the beginning but only when it ends, is when you realise that they were never there

[@gal2727]

Yep

[@denvercarlstrom8874]

This

[@justinhensley3315]

The fantasy came on the first recycle, after almost a year of being ghosted and hoovered. I just thought it was over. Then she hoovered me back with some fantastic words. Gone in a month lol. Kept in contact over the years. Tried it again. Almost the same exact words. Lasted a bit longer. I spent the last year and a half researching about BPD and what's going on with my part in this... wow! I wish everyone knew what this crap is. ....She's bAAaaack....😅😂

[@amitsalaskar1024]

Like a ginnie they just vanish in thin air. No one close to the victim understands the pain they are going through. Codependency is one thing but even a normal healthy person will be confused for a long time as to what really happened. Even Imagining you were in love with a secondary psychopath is far from a satisfying closure to that beautiful relationship. Cruel absolutely cruel.

[@CleanSweetHome]

​@@alouise3557 dear why doesn't he respond? Mine either, he knows how I boil from the inside 😢

[@AdamDocker]

As well as the top ten patterns, this is what I experienced in my 4.5 years with my ex: The person you fell in love with doesn't exist. Invalidates your feelings, doesn't listen to your thoughts or feelings, will make fun of your feelings. Her feelings are more important than anyone else's. Conversations that end up down rabbit holes. Tells you to leave her alone when she's feeling overwhelmed, then gets angry when you don't give her attention when she is overwhelmed, Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I hate you, don't leave me! Projecting her lies and insecurities onto you and blames you for having feelings that you don't have. False accusations and extreme storytelling. Dystopian narrative. Lack of Object Constancy. Spiteful and nasty words. If you tell her she hurt your feelings or that you're lonely or need some attention, then it's 'your' problem, not hers. Stonewalling / shutting down. Fine one minute, then, out of nowhere, a childish teenage tantrum that will last for three days. Contrarian/ confrontational / spiky. Unable to resolve arguments. Right-fighting, unable to lose an argument as it brings shame. Shame makes them feel not good enough. Hyper sensitive. If you want to bring up an issue, it will be taken as a criticism on their personality, character, bad girlfriend, bad mother. Everything is black or white, unable to see any nuance or grey. She refuses to give you emotional support, comfort you, nurture you. Demands constant validation from her friends and strangers / social media. Creating problems out of nothing. Extreme hypocrisy. Unable to be honest and open. Unable to communicate their feelings. Non communicated expectations. If those expectations aren't met, then she will eventually ghost you and create conflict. Threats of breaking up with you. Gaslighting. Jeopardising and self sabotaging the relationship, and blaming you're doing it! Tells you you're not needed, you're pointless, she can do everything herself, but then she demands emotional commitment/marriage/financial commitment. Infidelity / cheating and then questions your infidelity(!) Sex is validation, and was abused as a child. Will get angry during sex if you do the wrong thing and sabotage lovemaking with her extreme emotional outbreaks. Unable to communicate her wants and needs. Refuses to meet your wants and needs, that you communicated to her. Makes fun of your wants and needs and questions and ridicules them. Selfishness, individualism, hyper-independence. Unappreciative of all the things you have done and still do. Cannot take any accountability or apologise. Everything is about her. Her satisfaction, her pleasure, her needs. Every relationship break up (partners or family) was everyone else's fault. She was the victim. She is always the victim. Lacks any emotional permanence. Denies the truth even if it's staring at her in her face. Will speak badly about you behind your back to all her friends and make up false stories. They avoid the past because that would mean self reflection.

[@joannareynolds2811]

😢sad all those things is what he has done to me in our relationship

[@AdamDocker]

@@joannareynolds2811 sorry to hear that. It’s going to take time to heal from all of this. I hope you’re well

[@sonofthecannon]

This is a great list. It details the last 4 years of my relationship, I just went no contact 7 days ago. And this is the 2nd time, after we had a year relationship 20 yrs ago that took me several years to recover from. It just blows my mind that a condition like this can make people have the EXACT SAME behaviors. A list this long of the EXACT SAME actions and perceptions. I learned about BPD around January, and it's the biggest relief I've ever experienced. Just to be able to put a name on it, know that other people have experienced it too, and know that it's not your fault puts the entire world back in working order, and lifts the weight that's been smothering you.

[@AdamDocker]

@@sonofthecannon Sorry to hear you’ve gone through the same thing. It’s heartbreaking, as you love and care for them so much, but there is nothing you can do. I went through the whole relationship not knowing what i was dealing with, i thought it was two people talking a different language. It was only when i went to see a therapist during yet another break up, did she tell me i was with a narcissist. I didn’t want to believe her. Then six months later after the final discard, suffering ptsd and with a serious trauma bond, i went to see another therapist who told me the same thing. It’s been a painful 7 months and i’m just starting to feel myself again, but man my insides are ripped to shreds! Listening to a lot of these podcasts has helped validate my feelings, but i also highly recommend books like ‘I hate you don’t leave me’ by prof Jerold Kresiman and ‘The Chimp Paradox’ by Prof Steve Peters (also in audiobook which i found easier). I hope you find this helpful and can heal. Big hug. P.s What blows my mind is how this ONE mental health condition has the same traits in everyone that suffers it.

[@GLassa-vb2zg]

Oh my! You just mentioned my ex to a T!! Only difference is my ex is a male..

[@fleur8462]

They are destructive in a friendship level too. The BPD I met was verbally abusive

[@markeric1337]

Thank you. This is way too ignored. BPD doesn't discriminate between words and titles. Sam just said that judgment is impaired in those with BPD. What of the BPD that says "I've given up on relationships. I don't want to play games anymore." uh, huh. So, "BPD, you're going to be alone with your thoughts? All alone, forever? And I'm stuck in here with you, why? BPD, where did you take that person I knew? Can you please put that person on the phone right now? I'd love to speak with that person again, I'd like an explanation from THAT person" "Sure BPD says, Please hold📱............................................................................................................................................................................................................📴

[@alycewarr5332]

My Borderline daughter in law was very verbally abusive as well.

[@natewwc2741]

This is exactly what it’s like. Sad. God help those suffering with BPD and those in or that have been in relationship with them.

[@TimBadger-w7d]

It’s a living hell.

[@quinnrafferty4635]

We borderlines were never allowed to grow up. We’re stuck in this tortured state of acting like what we think mature, and overwhelmed and terrified like a child would be by anything that we perceive will hurt us. Also, we typically think of borderlines as “she”. It does a massive and agonizing disservice to us men who are always misdiagnosed with bipolar and are destroyed by antipsychotics.

[@imther1upedyrmom2]

Meant when people are talking about borderline personality disorder the vast majority of people who hobbits are women don't you understand this

[@quinnrafferty4635]

@@imther1upedyrmom2 is this a reply to my comment? Or a deleted comment?

[@Luke-Emmanuel]

hey bud, he references in many vids that he uses she not to mean a woman, but for the fastest sake of differentiation. he knows very well that both genders have it, i understand ur pain, just as a good woman named karen in these times. its ok man, rise above

[@alliwarwick5590]

My ex was a male BPD and it was amazing....till it was not...they usually have other traits that have been officially diagnosed but not many GPs in the UK have the knowledge about BPD or even personality disorders in general. The damage they can do to a non is extensive, I'd even liken it to PTSD. The thing is all the red flags are there in the beginning because when you're in the love bombing phase, irregardless of the BPDs chronological age, it's like dating a 4 yr old. seems so sweet at the time....BIG RED FLAG! Run!

[@LocPham-kw5ut]

stop the self-victim mentality and man the f*ck up. You are an adult in control, fix yourself and have fun in life.

[@rob3oy658]

Story from my past girl. She liked to say: "You know I will say yes, if you propose." 2 weeks later: "Bad news for you. It's just not enough what you are giving me. So I decided to break up!" I just came into the room, wasn't even sitting. First dialog of the day with her. It took me 5 seconds to think about my response: "Okay, I'm gonna pack my stuff" She was devastated, I was devastated... Now she's pure ice to me. I abandoned her in her view! But I won't break for anyone.

[@johnpatzold8675]

Well playled. I wish I had had that strength.

[@jamesneal5690]

My girl monkey branched to a guy while she was pregnant with my kid then dumped me when I called her out for it and thanked me for showing her my true colors.

[@hanssundqvist1781]

@@jamesneal5690 yea, they are always the victim.

[@hocuspocus3256]

Yep. Even though she initiated the break up with me, I told her I'm packing up everything, returning everything she gave me, and ghosting. And so I did. She went full blown rage before I finally cut her off and disappeared. I have no idea what she's thinking or saying, but I know it's not an accurate picture of what happened. I feel your pain.

[@RichD2024]

This brings more clarity to my experience with my ex, who I'm still not sure had bpd or was a covert narcissist. This hot/cold dynamic was the constant in our relationship. It was a relationship of extremes. Extreme love, affection, sex, and extreme apathy, coldness, cruelty. She would flip the switch without reason. It wasn't a mood change, it was a complete personality change. I feel sorry for her but so glad she's no longer in my life.

[@apple1234iou]

Sounds familiar. Did she send you a lot of hateful texts messages when you wasn’t with her?

[@RichD2024]

@@apple1234iou No there wasn't any of that. Most of her behavior stuff was when we were together alone. A lot of coldness and passive-aggressiveness

[@amitsalaskar1024]

Sounds like we all did the same dance with different devils but from the same clan

[@dxxdmxn1010]

I just went through a divorce, I found out later she had BPD but she failed to tell me. It was a pretty traumatizing experience not gonna lie. It ended really badly as well.

[@RichD2024]

@@dxxdmxn1010 I'm sorry you had to go through that. Being married must have made things a thousand times worse. In my case we weren't married but 6 months after the discard I'm still feeling the damage. It's a very destructive relationship to be in. Best of luck in your journey forward.

[@Kroops12]

Me and my girlfriend both have bpd and thanks to your videos we were able to realize that we turn into secondary psychopaths in trigger arguments which helped us control our emotions better, life is now less of a roller coaster and there is real trust and love. We both also in long term therapy so things looking great, thank you for your informative and trust worthy videos, a lot of nonsense out there!!

[@megalodon9400]

There’s something in their minds or brains that never matured, they act childishly, the tantrums, the stupid conflicts in which they engage, they hung up the phone on you, they drink way to many beers, they love you one day and the next they hate you, they are kids inside a mature person body. It sounds crazy but it’s true.

[@05101990toots]

Ever caught a whiff of one of their manipulative cycles and confronted them to see what was happening just so that you could witness them lying to your face? Apart from the fact that they’re childish, they have this tendency to undermine your intelligence too. Yes, you can’t win, waste of time interacting with them!

[@05101990toots]

@@thinkingallowed1st Is it something that you became self aware about or did a family member or friend point out that they could see signs and symptoms?

[@beepboop9519]

my bad

[@colemeeker908]

14 years of this madness and I’m finally out of it. I am devastated… prolly just gonna be done with relationships at this point in my life.

[@marvexe1396]

14 years??? omg so sorry for that

[@josephguerriero3943]

Hang in there I had 25 years of this when she walked away for a lifeguard that she said she looked good with pathetic

[@gregorydoyle4804]

I’ve just done 2 years. Absolutely mind f**k. Verbal, emotional and physical abuse. Walking in eggshells, terrified of her, numerous ‘dry breakups’, nasty Jekyll & Hyde personality, but I miss her deeply and will never experience the love I felt initially.

[@theharringtons2010]

Watching this makes me want to go and apologize to all my ex partners..finding out I have BPD and going through life not having a clue what I was doing and why is shocking to me...and explains why I married a narcissist or two...

[@amitsalaskar1024]

U shld mate. The amount of pain that was caused is inexplicable. No one deserves to be treated like that. Remember we all long to be loved and if that extreme love one gives out to be abandoned like this is cruel. If u hv a good thght like u mentioned u shld do it for some redemption and ull feel better too.

[@rustyrivers7118]

I wish my bpd would contact me, not because I want her back, but to just fess up, take some accountability and give me closure. I imagine most of your relationships ended almost the same...you should contact them to give them some clarity and closure.

[@endmite]

@@amitsalaskar1024i apologized to my exes and it didn't go well, i was only reminding them of the pain i caused. best to leave it alone and allow them time to heal

[@justsomedude7287]

@@rustyrivers7118you don’t need them to give you closure. Look back at how they hurt you, invalidate, disrespect, discard, lack of empathy, etc for you that’s all the closure you need. Them telling you isn’t going to change what you experience. You know what you experienced that’s all the closure you will ever need.

[@blinkyy1088]

Personally after being pretty psychologically abused I would find words from my abuser practically worthless. When people behave in a way like that, your brain places their words into the 'discard' bin and it's hard for you to care about what they say, good or bad, after that.

[@mhill88ify]

After being in the described "no win" situation, this helps me truly understand the f'ed up dynamics that were at play.

[@daffertube]

Dude your videos are blowing my mind

[@epicmredd]

Thank you professor. This was exactly my experience. Everything was smooth sailing until around the two year mark. We had a few fights, then she started playing power games to test my love, got addicted to weed, and broke things off seemingly out of the blue. As soon as the perceived power dynamic shifted, it was all downhill from there.

[@fleur8462]

this is scary.. both personality disorders are just downright scary

[@lisapatnaude3224]

Relationship with a Narcissist is a no win situation too

[@franciscoenciso435]

My jaw is on the floor listening to this.

[@GalickGon]

The things in my heart that this lecture brings out, scares me and how I felt about this girl. To be honest it scares me about how I will feel about anyone else in the future. Or if I even will.

[@nickm208]

Met a borderline and got entangled with her for quick minute.. 🤧 shits wild. Especially after they discard you for someone else without even telling you.. leaving you confused and hurt :/

[@DrexelGregory]

Fascinating. So Borderline fears enmeshment. Partner of borderline is usually needy, which is why they put up with the borderline. Then the borderline shoos away the needy partner.

[@koreenalaw8644]

As a woman with BPD this video gave me chills! Thank you Dr Vaknin.

[@adventures223]

@@freedomfighter9976 why would you have awful anxiety about someone who wants to look out for you Your sick in the head go chapter 51 yourself

[@FLAMINGBABYHEAD]

Sup?

[@Lamarck922]

@@funkymonk542 hahaha

[@Shelley-j2y]

Sounds like someone has his own mental problems. Wow, how rude of you.@@adventures223

[@RodS498]

This man is a genius... Story of my life with my ex bpd partner scene by scene... play by play... might as well have been a fly on the wall.

[@Mrhirtzel]

“The deeper they get the harder it is to extricate himself from the relationship” makes sense. The narcissist can’t admit she can’t be saved and she knows that if she were to ever be saved he would no longer need to obsess over saving her.

[@musicjunkie31karma]

So we’ll explained. You just put into words what I’ve felt of my relationship for years. Thank you

[@vipvop]

Breaks my heart into a million pieces...

[@herwigcoryn6197]

Brilliantely explained, maestro Sam. I experienced this during 13 years. All is point on. I didnt know she was borderline. She had narcisistic behaviour. I felt from early on something was wrong but because she started to live inside me from an early stage, i developed much love and compassion for her. No need to say that the situation was complex for me but i learned from you, your intelligence and analysing, so i tried to cope with the situation as good as possible. Now we are again in the next separation part. I think of going out for good, but due to my love and compassion i have for her, it is difficult. I got out to protect myself, it is so exhausting and unhealthy to be with such a person

[@papagreco]

@herwig coryn - you are not alone, I am dealing with separation from a BPD of 9 years. It climaxed with an outrageous drama that I still feel I can understand and forgive. At the time I had the support of a close friend who pushed me to initiate the break. I was reluctant, in shock and simply went through the motions out of fear for her and my safety. I still feel it was the right thing to do, but am torn. I empathize with her still, which may be a psychosis of my own manifesting. I want to believe I am healing one day at a time. I did see her flaws, but forgave, overlooked and made excuses for her behavior. I don’t know that I idealized her, but I always saw her potential and shared it with her continually. I do question if it was me who was delusional and projecting my vision of a perfect mate on to her. She couldn’t even see this in herself. Yes, I had resolved myself to love her unconditionally to the deferment of my own mental health.

[@revolutionaryfrog]

I think I'm with a woman with bpd now. How do you guys handle enforcing boundaries? It seems any boundary I try and set becomes an argument with character attacks on me and my intentions when I just want a stable boundary of respectful behavior towards each other.

[@JayRider84]

My girlfriend/ex now cheated on me with her ex after talking to him for less than a week. I was taking care of financially our whole relationship and we were together for 7 years when this happened. I was devastated. I couldn't believe her response to the proof of her cheating. She didn't cry, wasn't even thinking about me when doing

[@JayRider84]

These things but only seemed upset that she was caught. She lied about all the questions I had for her. It was hard but I now got to the realization that I don't want her anymore and can see her and especially myself with someone else. That was hard to get to. But it's my choice

[@terrimitchell5616]

@@papagrecobh😮

[@sklavinian]

I swear Sam, I'm convinced you've had access to my life over the past year and a half, as my BPD partner discarded me after a long marriage of devaluation and ran off with her narc "one who got away" from her teenage years. This video, along with your video on the Borderline female being a second-level psychopath is absolutely 100% spot on with my experiences.

[@DSWH072869]

Yup, female BPD as a secondary psychopath, factor II, dysregulated psychopath.

[@IRawRTooNI]

I simply cannot agree more!!! this is my exact experience well! 6 years married 8 and half years down the drain lol! those french canadians will get me everytime lol i hope the next ex of my wife will see this video one day too LOL what a giant lesson to be learned in life.

[@sgtmuffinbadger6147]

Same experience

[@JayRider84]

​@@IRawRTooNII am dealing with my girlfriend-now ex and been together for 7 years and cheating on me with an ex after talking with him less than a week. I was devastated but found some relief knowing that she has a

[@JayRider84]

​@@IRawRTooNImental illness and would continue this if I forgave her but choose not to deal with someone who has a mental illness. It's my choice who I want as a partner. Still living with me and told her she has

[@martinamarialauermacintyre3881]

Married narcissists seem to have affairs with borderline women because they can relive their unrequited love for their mothers. You explain the initial excitement and inability to end the affair before it has run its course, i.e. when the borderline discards the narcissist. Borderline women have charisma and a short-lived optimism that makes them so attractive.

[@brinselyseven5530]

Yep! Lived through this recently as the betrayed spouse. Do I thank the BPD?

[@sarakellyadcock]

Sam you explain the dynamic in a way that no one else can. It’s incredibly sad and destructive.

[@cube435]

This describes my mother to a T. It's a strange sensation, to finally make sense of the patterns of behavior I witnessed as a child. Brings a sort of relief to hear it explained and described.

[@ykaromarques6383]

thank god i was diagnosed really early, i was 19/20, now almost 22 and these videos show how I am and how I can be if left untreated with meds and therapy. Thanks, Sam!

[@thommy888]

Dual mothering. Congratulation Mr Vaknin to your explanation. I don‘t think that many people will be able to understand unless they listen closely and repeatatly to the last 10 minutes. Once you understand this, you will be ahead of 90% of all so called psychologists. Great Video. Thank you

[@bellofigoitaliano5038]

It’s ironic , borderlines greatest power ends up being their greatest weakness. What is the end game for borderlines in life in terms of a romantic relationship ? Do they just die alone ?

[@megalodon9400]

They kill themselves.

[@bellofigoitaliano5038]

@Ryan Ross it’s so sad , I feel bad for my BPD ex. She’s very attractive but very destructive.

[@darkcloudsilverglint4552]

Most likely, at least is the story of Mother in law and several other BPD I have come across.

[@bellofigoitaliano5038]

@@Kiraschwarze hi , I’ve ascended tremendously since I wrote that comment 2 years ago , all the dots have been connected , the 12 steps saved my life , I have complete apathy now , for any codepents who see this please work the 12 steps on your BPD ex so you can move on with your life and be happy for once.

[@marvexe1396]

@@bellofigoitaliano5038 Hey bro where do I find these 12 steps?

[@sanjayvarma7842]

30:00 Such an amazing insight. "The borderline becomes the narcissist's dead mother."

[@nkinyori]

Chills!!!! Wuehhh

[@Lp-vw1lf]

Professor Vaknin, I'm so grateful for everything that you're sharing. Thank you for helping me make sense of my childhood and everyone who was a part of it. I'm 54 and have the clarity and understanding I've been seeking all of my life.

[@myriammatos8641]

Mr. Vaknin, you are just amazing. I am so grateful for your teaching. I had never heard this situation explained so well and so clearly. I finally understand myself. THANK YOU.

[@zima3181]

Wow... I needed to know this 17 years ago. My life would have been so different. I couldn't understand, why the person, who pursued me so hard turned cold seemingly overnight and blamed me (!) for coming on too strong after I "made her dreams come true". It really fucked up my mind so bad. I was so easy to laugh, but after that relationship, I barely smiled. Daum, have to listen to this over right away, just to start sorting out that mess.

[@leonardascorpius5304]

I was married to/in relationships with BPD/NPD men only. Now I know better so I have better boundaries and will power to say NO to avoidant/controlling/hypocritical/manipulative/flip-flopping traits of these men, as well in friendships/working environment.

[@BigDaddyButthead90]

Mainly affects women, men are more likely to be using you for intimacy to be polite.

[@yuriyudin908]

I had the relationship described here by Prof. Vaknin. It was a Narcissist/Borderline dynamic. I could not fix my dead mother. It all fell apart….

[@youssefyassin3928]

your words moved me from dead

[@edapazi]

All I can say is don't get invloved with BPD or NPD peeps. Save yourself from massive stress and heartbreak.

[@BillowingBrick]

Sounds like a you problem

[@edapazi]

@J-kl8dm Sounds like you're probably one or both.

[@rubberbiscuit99]

Good advice. The health effects alone are good reason to stay away.

[@joannaayres6555]

Nuerotypicals got just as many problems. Ignorance is bliss

[@edapazi]

@joannaayres6555 Of course you would know.

[@staceypeace5342]

Amazed at how much this relates to me. I've watched various videos from professionals but I must say you are the most accurate

[@barry-uv1ji]

Reading this list of replies made me laugh so hard because I've been keeping a journal the last 3 years from 20 yrs. of this thinking I was in the twilight zone cause it reads almost word for word but it's really no laughing mater just glad I finally figured it out and others do too

[@kelleyb227]

Oh Sam. I laughed at your opening much harder than I should have…I’m healing! 😂😂😂😂

[@thinkaaj]

you made me cry out loud when you said he becomes the dead mother and mother the mother ... I'm 42 this is the first time I heard something exactly what I'm living

[@AllyOshalders-ti4zv]

Oh i love it! Thank you! Youv taught me heaps! Iv been narc abused, im borderline, at this time iv just broke out an more then half way healed. Getting bak to aesom amazing me again. Gratitude for all your work.

[@myriammatos8641]

You have just explained my life perfectly.

[@adventures223]

This is a great explanation one of the best i ever heard i been with cluster b women my whole life you 100% for sure will never get them to change unless they are really wanting to and even then they will bounce back and forth they are like drug addicts they relapse itsa never ending nightmare just run is my advice

[@deed18]

That engulfment anxiety is a lot like haunting. It felt like a psychic link almost. I could tell when she was hungry, thirsty, ovulating, upset, and when she needed to use the bathroom. It felt like she was part of me that i had to take care of.

[@yhm7654]

This analysis you’ve presented is the best of yours I’ve heard. No other explanation is needed after listening to this. Appreciate your direct evisceration of the heart of it.

[@borg-borg-2015]

Especially the last 5th of the video is very important. The interplay between mother figures, provided to each other from each other of the relationship partners.

[@mylesfreakingelbel]

Thankyou for making this information available; so much of what I've been thru is now making sense, which is allowing me to move on easier.

[@TinaBrownArtist]

I have seen many interesting videos about bpd and narcissism but your insight is amazingly deep and the most comprehensive ! Wow! You are a genius n God bless u Dr for this educational video, at such an advance level !

[@user-miggygtz]

I have been struggling with loving a BPD woman for almost 3 years. I have never felt more infatuated with someone who constantly pushes me away/ignores me. The thought process of NPD is exactly how I feel and is similar to what I think when I would interact with this person. She is symbolically my “working mother”, who after the divorce/separation with my father, who I would consider a narcissist, spent long hours at work to provide for me and my twin. I admire and love my mother dearly for this. I’ve had the savior/fixer mentality . I’ve given unconditional love to this person, even though she’s constantly discards me, entered new relationships, all while never seemingly wanting to enter one with me. I have been the curtain boy, adorer, to the show. It honestly debilitated my life, I haven’t been able to move on, and I need help, my heart still burns.

[@TheDvdspeler]

Best wishes to you. I'm going through similar things

[@ririimari]

I have always felt like a child or someone who doesnt know who I am or supposed to be.

[@strollerwhite7755]

delayed development caused by abuse/neglect might look like this...create an environment conducive to completing healthy unfolding.

[@jasminflower5608]

I adore you Sam,endlessly fun and educating to listen to you!

[@TrueCrimeJewels]

You are a delight! Welcome to the upside down world of KZbin creatorship. We are swimming in BPD and NPD drama.

[@twinpeetzmoolsaasa854]

ohoh 2 borderlines in your life :) Thank you again for the video, very interesting the comparison of abandonment, engulfment and losing their mind, the mindsnatching part also is very true and what i found to be the most irritating. I don't enjoy my reality constantly being undermined. They can be very nice and loving also, the insecurity becomes very disorienting.

[@smoore8]

Jesus this eerily and perfectly described my relationship with my ex-wife and her exact patterns of behavior and depression. Had I have only seen this video before meeting her.

[@juantorres7810]

Dr. Vaknin, I have to admit this video is one your best.

[@marem1842]

I appreciate the humour …… it adds a little lightness to all this. Thank you for your work and sharing the knowledge.

[@agoogleuser3582]

You just opened up my head, stepped inside and lined everything up to make sense between my BPD friend and I. I cannot wait to sit with her and watch it again. Sincere thanks.

[@Ami-dk9pl]

Conclusion: Borderlines are impossible to relate to and this is confirmed by my experience of a traumatized mother. Thank you for eloquent and elaborate explanations, prof. Vaknin.

[@adventures223]

They sure are they wont take the blame for nothing its always everyone else is fault they are the worst type to be around they will make your life a living hell i been around them my whole life and have not seen one of them turn their life around i seen a 89 year old borderline never changed at all she died that way they never change no matter how old they are seen it in every case maybe about 5% change if that but i have never seen a borderline change in my life you have a better chance at winning the lottery then you do trying to get a borderline to change very very few change just get away from them there moody toxic and a waste

[@adventures223]

@@freedomfighter9976 thats true i have heard of a few cases where therapy has worked the cluster b people i ever met never wanted help or didn't think they had a problem

[@HurtsEnd]

This shit is the worst when everyone around you has this and so that makes (me) the issue and not them

[@elisamartinez8888]

Oh woooow you are a delight master !!! In this video I understood my entire life with my narcissistic husband ,

[@Jennifer-ti4pq]

how you figured this out is remarkable.

[@emmysawachika4915]

This was the most interesting take on bpd and npd I've ever heard. Very interesting! Thank you.

[@user-vo9zu3pd9b]

This video just summed up my past year and a half I swear, I’ve never heard an explanation this accurate

[@mundomistico8260]

Omg, my parents have this dinamic, I have spend years to introspection try to understand, I was devasted, thanks a lot

[@michaelstricker573]

Experienced exactly this, but I‘m not a narcissist. Just was colonised by my narcisstic mum, and older siblings. Deeply hurt, searching for healing. This healing I found after breaking from the borderline ex. Me and my kids could heal from all the trauma. But it was exactly how Sam describe. Pure nightmare

[@amansway-rulesforlife4113]

This is a great video providing a general clinical description. In each case there are other factors. So not everything is truly present all the time. Though in 10 years, you see just about everything he describes in the video.

[@marvelousmental]

great great video.i'm pretty sure i have some form of BPD, and it's been almost 1 year since i decided to stay solo to analyze what my problem is with the realtionships. i'm highly analytical, and after i decided to kill my ego, i had to admit that i was the root of all my relationship endings, and with pretty much lot of drama. the sad thing is, i was sure i was right acting out and i was suffering a lot also, but it was for the things my imagination created, not the real life or my partners. i've made a purpose of my life since 1 year ago, to learn how to control my emotions and my reactions, and i think i'm evolving pretty good. and until i feel stable enough this way, i dont want to start smth new or hurt anybody. i'm highly attractive and i've always had options, and before this year i was always in a realtionship and felt like it was their fault when smth was going wrong or i felt bad. it's a very lonely place to be and even when u cause pain, u are already suffering a lot. lonely and painful place, and the guilt after you realise that u hurt a good person is horrible also...

[@alex-no6bn]

Thank you for making this available. I wonder if you wrote any self-help book to assist recovering from BPD?

[@nandanapalchowdhury4588]

Ohhhhh my god! Ohh my god! You have described it so perfectly, even though everything I thought happened was unique to our relation. Him always trying to fix me, and me always trying to punish him for trying to ‘tame’ me and trying to turn me into a doormat…He saw potential in me and tried but I refused to play into his fantasy. I wanted him to play in mine. To be strong and not volatile as he was. Both of us failed again and again. We hated each other yet were drawn again and again in blind attraction. I finally left him when I realised how terrible I am becoming as a human. I have realised so many flaws about me through this relationship. Just wow! 😮😮😮

[@jamesgraves9858]

This is my story. 100%

[@KG8B]

Wow this explains a lot now especially how the borderline has a solopsistic shared fantasy

[@hayleighturner2420]

As a borderline in a almost 4 year relationship , i am hitting the wall of stagnation and feeling invisible/completely assimilated. As a quiet/internalized Borderline, I've been lashing out by self harming/suicidal ideation. I feel like i have completely lost who I was as a person. To try pulling myself away from the situation and attempting to feel who i am as an individual is Agony, Shame and majority Self Loathing. BPD is a hell of a disorder. Finding explanation videos is a comfort to at least know it isn't just me.

[@nickmccaffrey2611]

I loved my ex partner with bpd and her child and she got a restraining order and that hurt even more than her breaking up with me , I wasn’t perfect but I loved her and was always there emotionally, 6 months down the track I developed depression anxiety and betrayal trauma. Panic attacks . I was going to marry her . Sometimes that’s life I guess be better stay stronger love life

[@keepcurious]

I love you fella for articulating my thoughts to audible speech. Pioneer/Master/Scholar/Gentleman Many thanks Daniel London

[@thirty-eightandfeelinggrea9739]

Professor Sam is sooooooo good!

[@amitsalaskar1024]

Like a ginnie they just vanish in thin air. No one close to the victim understands the pain they are going through. Codependency is one thing but even a normal healthy person will be confused for a long time as to what really happened. Even Imagining you were in love with a secondary psychopath is far from a satisfying closure to that beautiful relationship. Cruel absolutely cruel.

[@chriswelsh8826]

Yes exactly. Devastating and confusing and sad and in shock, still.!

[@drkknath]

beautifully narrated the ugly dynamics between borderaline and narcissist. Whether the narcissist you described is actually a codependent that is my question?

[@HerbertGoldstein-gy3gy]

i think there are codependent narcissists

[@eleonoraaivazidousoreitis9552]

Unbelievably true

[@williamford9921]

My ex had all of this Sam is spot on.

[@Jamie-lj1hd]

Just been through this for the past year.... Wow this is almost exactly what it's like!

[@bpassion4fashion581]

I have been “ friends “ with a borderline for 30 years now . It has been exhausting !!!!!!

[@neverliveevil6113]

Phenomenal explanation.

[@themonna7838]

So accurate ! I wish you would talk more about BPD thank you for sharing your knowledge ❤✨

[@dalenjurgens6751]

Wow, dr vaknin, i have always wondered what an actual behavior lifestyle looked like. With this info i can be more confident about my person's behavior. This would be very difficult to live with... especially as the person. May god help us all.

[@dalenjurgens6751]

Also around 3000 it reminds me of Norman bates. Is that an accurate characterisation?

[@dilfuzakhaydarova2859]

Thank you so much Dear Professor.

[@mousseva]

So clear, thank you!

[@subrata_mithu]

This is the best ever.

[@vanessahollenbach85]

Omg i must be the borderline in this npd/bpd relationship and explains why i cant just leave. Im not just being subsumed but financially as well. Lost everything due to my blindness and his need to be in charge. I am leaving but the strength to do so still evades me.

[@santoshraj1203]

Prof! You just told my story without being in my life. She did everything you said! Acted like a psychopath at the end, discarded me, tormented me, all while she cheated and monkey branched. .

[@David-zu2bf]

So True ! Thank you for your work

[@sunshinedayz7032]

A borderline sounds like what my ex boyfriend is, but he seemed like a narcissist as well.

[@Truevitz]

I think bpd and npd overlap similar traits.

[@marieluvie]

It has been said on here that it is nonsensical to divide the cluster b spectrum disorders into entities like narcicisst, borderline, antisocial. They share traits and they oscilate between states so why do it.

[@heal1856]

@@marieluvie The pure 'classic' narc is very unlike a borderline in behaviour. The narc is much more image-conscious. The borderline has elements of narc, but they are too volatile to be mistaken for a narc. A borderline changes suddenly. They can go from seemingly happy to angry in a short time, and it doesn't take much to make them angry.

[@amandapeterson3659]

​@@heal1856I agree and borderline people have more of a capacity for empathy usually

[@allison4481]

Bravo! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Nailed it!

[@stevencoble2685]

All this hurts and wish I heard this. Like last year.

[@MrsLaAutentica]

I'm bdp and my x is a narcissist. this is very accurate 😮

[@carolinequinn6936]

Oookay Borderline Shoshanim, the best

[@laureneyton-jones5926]

Omg the first 6 months, 1 year, 2 years? I got 2 weeks....after 3 months of intense friendship.

[@alem3481]

This is gold