'BORN EVIL' - Brianna Ghey murderer's mother APOLOGISES to murdered trans teen's family

Clare Muldoon says backgrounds and contexts are not an excuse, the murderers of Brianna Ghey are 'pure evil'.
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[@TwistedTiara]

Life should mean life, you take someone's life you don't deserve a life of your own, simple as. Sleep well Brianna, you never deserved this bairn.

[@irreverend_]

In this context I tend to agree with you. There are occasions where taking a life doesn't mean you should lose your own. This is not one of them.

[@lc4.50ppppp]

the dangers of a death penalty is in some rare ocassions the convicted is innocent and in that case the justice system would be responsible for another murder of an innocent individual

[@irreverend_]

@@lc4.50ppppp plus it's clearly not a deterrent. And I guess if they know they're going to die anyway once they've done something, it escalates the situation and others get harmed.

[@chrollo__5715]

@@irreverend_why is it with this case?

[@alexshaw4182]

@@chrollo__5715 This is a special case as in it's 1st degree murder, it was planned and torture was involved. I'm not a fan of the death penalty but, this is the highest level of murder.

[@melaniabladeofmiquella]

Imagine being the mother of the killers, the unending shame

[@Anand-vx2xx]

reminds me of the movie 'we need to talk about kevin'. really quite applicable here, its about the effects of a school massacre on the surrounding area through the perspective of the killer's mother.

[@lostintranslation1957]

Parents don't bear the crimes of their children and vice versa.

[@iikavanaghii]

If she brings up a kid like this, she will probably crack open another £3 bottle of wine and continue living her life like it’s nothing to do with her. It’s the parenting where this starts, and ends. Too many people having kids who can’t even look after themselves.

[@urbansamurai261]

​@@iikavanaghiiyour mom needs a slap for raising you

[@melaniabladeofmiquella]

@Anand-vx2xx sounds interesting thanks

[@tracywaring3769]

They look like evil twins

[@nox7282]

Yes, and they both look inbred as well.

[@rosarose3443]

Stop using Autism as an excuse. I am Autistic and have never had thoughts of harming anyone let alone kill them. If anything I find it abhorrent having experienced bullying etc all my life. I have learning difficulties, selective mutism, chronic anxiety and depression. I was brought up to respect my family members, others and animals. I was treated exactly the same as my siblings in that there are consequences for my own actions and was disciplined exactly the same as my siblings. Autism nor mental health is not an excuse for violence and never will be. The more excuses you make for someone's choices and actions, the less they believe that they have any responsibility for those actions. Stop making excuses for individuals who know right from wrong. Autistics know just as well as anyone else what is right and what is wrong.

[@ephebofreedomfighter2430]

yeh im autistic im now an incel...

[@GiornoLovesDeathGrips]

​@@ephebofreedomfighter2430autism made me a femcel

[@mikhailmladenovic]

I'm autistic, adhd, dyslexia. You name it... I've never murdered anyone!!! I hate it when people use autism as an excuse

[@devilmyke]

The murder is bad enough but the messages between them are disgusting

[@DanGiga-c6c]

shame ,, the freak should not have been allowed in public, This is the reason these kids are in jail, Because the gross Gender Bender could not stop being weird and disgusting the general public

[@karmellla]

Terrifying to know people actually think like they do

[@richgreeeat8736]

​@@adamturner3797 exactly. Speech is just speech. So many sensitive, outraged p's these days when it comes to speech.

[@iesroo]

Another thing is how stupid they are for making it so obvious

[@iesroo]

@@richgreeeat8736They are talking about murdering someone so casually 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@Pezz323]

How come they're calling it a life sentence despite they're gonna be 39 when they leave and that's it they don't leave even earlier for "good behaviour"

[@irreverend_]

Firstly they won't be released early for good behaviour since it's a MINIMUM term of 20 and 22 years. Secondly a life sentence doesn't mean life in prison, it means they will always be out on license if and when they are released, and minor things will see them back in jail at that time. People often confuse life in prison and a life sentence as the same thing.

[@spudhead1161]

​@werxeh A life sentence is 99 years, when a Judge passes sentence, he'll attach a tarriff, which doesn't mean he/she will get out on their tariff. ps a life sentence DOES mean life in prison.

[@natrelacoustix]

Not in the UK. I assume you're American?​@@spudhead1161

[@CoryMCGIVERN]

Not in the uk ir doesnt, so assuming your american ​@spudhead1161

[@spudhead1161]

@@CoryMCGIVERN Certainly not American and yes in the UK. coming from someone who's been part of the prison system and probation for numerous years. So yes in the UK.

[@Chanesmyname]

Psychopaths are born that way and sociopaths are made that way, is what I was taught.

[@lamson1990]

They both got beat in school for being different; losers.

[@hiddensword9387]

@@lamson1990 You beat a dog eventually it bites back. Hate breeds hate, violence breeds violence. Calling people who were beaten 'losers' is just continuing the cycle. Grow up a bit.

[@tracywaring3769]

I suppose so because some are born with a mental deficiency but some are made evil because of the treatment they received when young , if it’s because mental reasons they are kept in a psychiatric hospital xx

[@parky5329]

Absolutely no difference to an adult being named. They still have families, friends and parents. Even worse, they likely have children of their own and partners.

[@lizardgirleva]

The comments left by 15 year olds that think being hateful is cool are utterly disgusting. Making these remarks about on a video someone who was brutally murdered is equivalent to defiling a grave and in the end, are you any better than the murderers? There is a time and a place for debating trans people. That place is not here. However there is never a place for hatred. RIP Brianna Ghey ❤

[@Whest92]

Your cool

[@Whest92]

Don't put trans on the news if you don't want a debate

[@alexfilma16]

Do you spend a lot of time thinking about 15 year olds?

[@cheesepuff65]

@@Whest92there's no debate to be had. it's fucked up. people like you who think everything involving a trans person is controversial make me want to hang myself.

[@Whest92]

@@cheesepuff65 crack on clown, welcome to reality

[@melanytodd2929]

EVIL. Pure and simple.

[@freeman8128]

Evil is never pure.

[@FokusEnzo]

haha

[@miahitpage]

What's funny exactly? A child has lost their life and two more will spend most of their lives in prison, show some respect and grow up.@@FokusEnzo

[@Whest92]

@@miahitpage hahahahahahha

[@miahitpage]

@@Whest92 get a life.

[@user-rx6dh2dh9t]

It really makes you wonder what goes through a killers mind. You'd have to be a stone cold psychopath to do something like that.

[@jp3630]

Oh look at what color they are 🤣🤣

[@user-rx6dh2dh9t]

@@jp3630 white? I'm white.

[@jaid2383]

​@@user-rx6dh2dh9t In all fairness the vast majority of sadistic killers happen to be white, especially white men.

[@ianallen2]

Many years ago ,life in prison was a sentence of a maximum of 15 years. At least the length is going up a bit, it should mean life with never seeing hte outside as a free person again.

[@cookiemonster3056]

Sorry but the justice system of the uk is a joke …. Why should they be allowed to be potentially released after 20 and 22 years when Brianna will never get to live her life . They brutally murdered her . They both should get life without parole . Life should mean life . Sickening pair of them.

[@spudhead1161]

HIM NOT HER.

[@cookiemonster3056]

@@spudhead1161 Bore off. Nobody is interested in your transphobic BS

[@matthewhall7640]

​@@spudhead1161 she's a female, therefore it's her.

[@spudhead1161]

@matthewhall7640 He's not a female, therefore a him. Not very bright are you?

[@spudhead1161]

@@matthewhall7640 I don't play your silly games and get bullied into your silly beliefs.

[@mike7002]

No parent brings up their kids to be murderers just the same as how the vast majority of kids from terrible backgrounds with a murderer or criminal violence convicted parent don't go on to do the same themselves. These two carry all the responsibility for their actions themselves and have zero excuses by way of how their parents were.

[@markcolston2930]

The hate humans show one another is sickening,what's going on?a truly wicked world we live in,and sadly not un common

[@irreverend_]

All we can do is try our best to be good to one another for the most part. There will always be outliers and reasons for hatred, what's concerning is that this had no reason. Not even a poor reason

[@dimitar6518]

​@@irreverend_They were clearly transphobics both of them, no other explanation here, there is a reason and thats it. Think about it tho.

[@irreverend_]

@@dimitar6518 I read the released transcripts of their interactions with each other, it had nothing to do with that. They just wanted to kill someone. They found someone vulnerable in the end I guess who would go where they wanted, but it was not because they were trans.

[@MrMaxeemum]

There could be one living next door to you, do you trust our police to keep you safe?

[@MrRailjunkie]

​@@irreverend_It wasn't coincidence she was trans. That was a big part of their motive.

[@user-rx6dh2dh9t]

This is an example of why I believe in spirituality. I truly believe good and evil realms exist.

[@LostHope84]

How do we get to make believe land?

[@TheSmokinducks]

They'll still have a life after 20 years. They'll still be young!

[@dartmoordave]

They have to get past the parole board yet! That was a minimum.

[@irreverend_]

@@dartmoordave plus they'll be on licence the rest of their lives if they ever are released. Break any conditions and they'll be in jail again

[@DanGiga-c6c]

they shouldn't even get 3 years, the did a public service

[@irreverend_]

@@DanGiga-c6c don't be a dick

[@sillycheese301]

​@@DanGiga-c6ctroll alert

[@Disinfo321]

Where are all the “it’s the parents fault” people? I have a sibling that had a better upbringing than all of us who is a locked up drug dealer, burglar with absolutely no morals. I on the other hand have never been arrested and grew up in a youth hostel and suffered tons of abuse. Some people are inherently bad people, and are more inclined to live a life of no empathy and morals. It isn’t always a bad upbringing otherwise all siblings would be the same. Some people have great upbringings and are evil, some have terrible upbringings and turn out to be great. Can’t always blame the parents, and equally can’t always credit the parents for their child’s success.

[@dee2973]

You are right it is all the parents fault bad , parenting all round in fact the 3 sets of parents of ALL the children in this case are at fault. I somehow suspect that Brett Spooner's dad was sidelined and was probably against the crazy decision to allow a mentally ill teenager dress up as a doll and put unsavoury pictures of himself on line . All 3 children in this case were mentally ill.

[@Disinfo321]

@@dee2973 the kids are psychopaths and sadists that loved watching torture videos and wanted to act on it, that is not simply down to the parents fault because you have no idea their upbringings.

[@dee2973]

​@@Disinfo321 The whole lot of them are crazy to begin with

[@bruceberry3421]

Evil has a face and name show the world .

[@Whest92]

Look at KZbin for murders way worse than this

[@captainbarbosa8891]

They should be deported

[@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.]

Deported to where???

[@verierii]

@@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow. hell

[@nox7282]

@@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.The pits of hell or a penal colony. They don’t belong in a civilized society.

[@mariasampson4747]

Poor kid must've been so scared

[@Plainandsimple25]

One big factor is lack of connection, when young people have a lack of connection it is one of the biggest reasons of behaviour problems. That's why I feel we should have proper resources for youth clubs , etc, music and sports should be affordable for all young peop le. My heart goes to Brianna's family.

[@maximuschung2076]

Grew up on a council estate, never had a pot to piss in. 1 football between 16 of us. I never killed an innocent person. Stop defending the indefensible

[@Freddielounds-1790]

Correct which explains gender identity disorder. Lol everyone's looking at the killers but not realising all of them are ruined.

[@sillycheese301]

I lack connection with many people but i would still never go out and do something like this..

[@Plainandsimple25]

@@sillycheese301 of course. I do agree with you, many young people do have a lack of connection especially with parents as they try to find their own identity. I used to struggle to connect too. Everyone needs to feel they belong though. That was the problem with the boy Eddie, he wanted to belong and be accepted by Scarlett . She did not seem to have learnt empathy, I think all teenagers are still learning empathy some learn younger than others, they do that through connecting with others. Like you say some people do struggle but would never do that, I think the key is when you are aware you struggle to connect with others , keep practicing, we learn to give and take and accept that we will let others down as much as they might let us down. They were extreme.

[@Freddielounds-1790]

@@sillycheese301 That's because struggling for connection and being fascinated by serial murder are two different things so not sure what you're achieving by saying that I'm better than apple's because I'm an orange.

[@stonehengemaca]

Maybe investigate people in GBNews comments sections that openly share their hatred for trans people. In the same way a terrorist with radical hate fuelled views would be targeted. Keep everyone safe.

[@jenwoo4987]

Stop stirring up fear. This child was one of a number on a list of potential victims. It was nothing to do with how he identified.

[@stonehengemaca]

@@jenwoo4987 Awww are you coming to the defence of "people in GBNews comments sections that openly share their hatred for trans people" or are you saying there's nothing for a trans gender person to fear from these hateful people? Or have you constructed a straw man argument for yourself to argue with yourself about?

[@jenwoo4987]

I hope your response made sense to you. It's utter nonsense to me.@@stonehengemaca

[@stonehengemaca]

@@jenwoo4987 You struggled to make sense of the original post,, claiming it was "stirring up fear", so I wouldn't worry about it.

[@jenwoo4987]

I should think most people would struggle to make sense of the inane ramblings of fantasists.@@stonehengemaca

[@Horror_N_M3tal]

Life should mean life period.

[@ephebofreedomfighter2430]

nope. they inocent childs.

[@ruefulmm2]

@@ephebofreedomfighter2430 they werent innocent nor children since they murdered that poor girl.

[@AnneBoorman]

If they had been adults they would probably have been given whole life sentences. As it is they’ll be out before they’re 40. Who’s to say they won’t do something again, albeit maybe not together.

[@mariewalmsley6143]

Least she knows what her daughter is unlike Lucy letbys.

[@njoyingtube1]

I'm not saying she is , there is so though some percentage of agreement that L L may be the victim of a miscarriage of justice TIME WILL TELL . These two specimens Are Guilty without doubts of DELIBERATE PREMEDITATED MURDER .

[@Freddielounds-1790]

​​@@njoyingtube1She was found fully guilty in a court of law after a boatload of paperwork signed by her along with a note implicating her was found under her bed. Honestly anyone labouring under the sick delusion that Lucy was a miscarriage of justice after the babies she murdered and the ones she tortured is beyond sick and shameful now there's no percentage of agreement amongst any criminal specialists that she is innocent only agreements amongst swivel eyed loons who can't stand the fact that if they can't trust a face like hers by assumption then who can they trust.

[@mariewalmsley6143]

There's always a percentage of people who are stupid.

[@rosieposie9564]

@@njoyingtube1 Lucy has been denied an appeal I believe. Lucy is really not innocent. Lucy at work, babies die. Lucy not at work, babies don't die.

[@njoyingtube1]

@@mariewalmsley6143 NOW THERE IS A STATEMENT , WHICH NEEDS NO JUDGE OR JURY TO CONFIRM . would you though deny an accused the ability to prove their innocence with evidence which wasn't available or worse was withheld by police . a very common revelation in many previous proven miscarriages of Justice .

[@HRHLMS]

I appreciate the debate and in no way am suggesting that the points are invalid, however wouldn’t this debate be better informed with psychologists and psychiatrists? I’m not aware of a former government advisor’s experience with these issues to make them more than opinions?

[@alandavies55]

Don`t think so. every psychologist I have ever spoken to have been more disturbed than most of their patients.

[@bunglejoy3645]

Exactly journalists reportersknowc nothing at all about psychatrity human behaviour psychology there is protocols journalists should folliw when reporting on issues like this and mentsl illness and all I've seen from news at mo ent is journalists just making it worse for those of us with ordinary mentsl illness eho have never done anything wrong never will do anything wrong but are badly stigmatised because we've got bpd, that diagnosis dosent make us a risk to others far from it but the media us feeding people's reactions to oeopke like me for starters people already think mentally ill its uour up bringing, wrong be it severe depresdion ,GAD thst I've got autism that I've got it can be just domething that's happened your brain not right in some way please media be careful in researching you subject and take heed ftom professionals about how to report this people who are dealing with people even like me I've gad it this werk trying to explain to someone thevmental pain I hsve you could see that covers came down in peoples eyes pain is physical bodily , it can be immensely mental as well and is usually unfoundedv feeling guilty but know you have nothing to feel guilt about list goes on

[@dwayne_dibley]

@@alandavies55or alternatively you’re the one with some serious delusions.

[@rhyfelwrDuw]

People may not agree with someone's lifestyle choices, but to stab someone death is totally and utterly wrong!

[@mistergooji]

My child would be disowned. It's that simple

[@sandraroutledge6453]

Monsters have no age

[@mickclark4861]

Normal background??What kinda normal family buys a hunting knife for their teenage child.. and doesn’t keep an eye on what’s watched online. One family computer and phones that can be accessed by parents 24 hours a day would certainly help going forward.

[@joce11]

I agree about the hunting knife but not about monitoring kids online. Sadly, too many parents leave parenting to the internet and mobile, computer devices. To me, these two are a symptom of a sick, sick society.

[@Paul-rm9ev]

The term "evil" is considered to be an emotional condemnation and is the sort of word used to stir up hate such as fuels lynch mobs. Problem is how do you suppress empathy? Aren't we meant to feel disgusted when confronted with such cold blooded off the spectrum abhorrence?

[@maryclynch9356]

My heart breaks for the poor victim's family. A beautiful life cut short.😢

[@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362]

A beautiful life? A dirty, perverted one more like

[@TigerLily12345]

Johnson and Venables we're given new identities after they were released

[@brandonlee7382]

This is so depressing. This is just so sad for everyone involved. Can't imagine what the families are going through. So sad

[@Whest92]

U been living under a rock?

[@scaramonga]

Parents should be held accountable for their child's actions going forward. Don't bring them up correctly, and teach them right from wrong?, then they need to share the penalty. Social Media to blame also, as per usual. These two should be handed over to me though, and justice, I can assure you, will be done. Mother apologising?, yeah, sorry for having a child who I didn't bring up properly, hence you have lost yours! What a work of art this society now produces, all painted in blood. Disgusting world we now live in.

[@tinaturner134]

Brianna was amazing human beings and rest in heaven sweet girl and I am heartbroken for your family

[@radicalrodriguez5912]

sweet girl LOL. Brianna was a boy

[@spudhead1161]

Did you know him?

[@isabellaquinn7454]

@@radicalrodriguez5912 get a life mate

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

​@@radicalrodriguez5912 in heaven he gets the female body he wanted, maybe.

[@matthewhall7640]

​@@radicalrodriguez5912no she's a girl.

[@EmilyTheQueen01]

great now im even more scared to be myself ):

[@BlackHeartDruid]

be normal then

[@gilpetperdon9831]

Don't be scared to be yourself, you need to get a set of trans balls and start defending yourself

[@Julia33066]

Same it’s so scary

[@HeatyFrog]

@@BlackHeartDruid hey I don't know who convinced you that the goal of life is to be exactly who the establishment wants you to be, but you should know that being subservient isn't all it's cracked up to be. You end up unhappy, and boring. Boring to yourself, boring to everyone else. You will look back and regret spending your life doing exactly what you were told

[@verierii]

Honey I’m so sorry, no one should feel this way. Mongers in the world. Monsters

[@ancietman]

Many of these young people spend their lives on their phones alone in their room. They got thousands of followers on Facebook but no real friends & often parents that don't care to watch over them & censor what they looking at.

[@wattage2007]

100%.The internet is as addictive, if not more so than alcohol. It's just sheer insanity that kids are allowed access - often 24 hours a day - to the internet and the absolute depravity it has to offer. I don't think many parents know how to enable parental controls on phones and even if they did, there are ways to circumvent that. Children should NOT be allowed unrestricted access to the adult internet until they've reached adulthood. It's rotting their minds.

[@joce11]

Exactly. I can't help thinking modern culture is making people mentally ill. Kids are becoming increasingly desensitised by social media, culture etc

[@verierii]

Girl no one below the age of 30 has an active Facebook. Most likely instagram tiktok, stuff thats popular with kids

[@joce11]

@@verierii Exactly. That's my point.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Evil definitely, though the asymmetry of her head and ears may suggest trauma or bad genetics as well.

[@cwftft4273]

A formative life after sentence? See if it was my daughter that this happened to, as soon as they walked out the prison gates……. that formative life would be snuffed clean out

[@spudhead1161]

It was her son.

[@bilbo7115]

@@spudhead1161 daughter. she was trans ffs.

[@jackdiddles4304]

@@spudhead1161 who's son? brianna was a girl

[@spudhead1161]

@jackdiddles4304 Not very bright are you? male, boy, therefore son. Born male.

[@spudhead1161]

@@jackdiddles4304 Son girl.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

I suppose it’s possible to not know your children could be capable of murder but people will always wonder what red flags the killers showed and whether the parents could have seen them and intervened. A horrendous crime committed by murderers with no remorse.

[@sugar2794]

I don't support any of them. You may say Brianna Guy was a good person but he was thinking about drugs before his death. Also, the 2 stupid killers are even more stupid on their stupid fantasy plan. The UK is a huge mess and you know that. Shame on both sides of the parents for not bringing up their children right!!!

[@dwayne_dibley]

A child lost their life and all you can do is perpetuate part of the hate. Seek professional help.

[@alexfilma16]

@@dwayne_dibleyWhat is a woman, Dwayne?

[@TheNamesSpencer]

He wasnt even speaking about genders or sex bro. Smh. ​@@alexfilma16

[@MrRailjunkie]

​@@alexfilma16A woman is an adult female & Brianna was soon to become a woman.

[@LittleLoz]

Think you mean she. She was just a normal kid.

[@christinamcilwaine350]

It's James bulger not Jamie

[@SS-yv9cq]

There is something seriously wrong with this generation Z the world over. Senseless violence, obsession with hedonism, nihilistic attitude towards life. It's pretty scary what the future holds.

[@katiePetsy]

Every generation has that. Humans have always been capable of evil. You just hear more about it now thanks to technology

[@hididdlyhodiddly6019]

If this generation is fucked it’s because our generations did something wrong. Stop blaming them, take accountability.

[@user-ev4rp3qb6x]

@@hididdlyhodiddly6019 Responsibility starts at home with telling and showing your kids right from wrong and giving that moral fibre to go through life to ensure that you stay well balanced member of society. Love as well is so important, showing your child love with cuddles and encouraging them in all that they do , ensuring that they have a well balanced life . When these things are not in a child’s life is when you get these problems which in turn go on to murder and mayhem. Parents and kids don’t talk anymore, we live in a world where children play in violent games for hours on end and don’t live in a reality, and the line between fantasy and reality is blurred . The end result are the murders you see day in and day out from sleepy villages to the inner city’s and suburbs, where knowing right from wrong is lost and talking to your child is now a lost art . We have failed and now we are reaping the seeds that we have sown. Whether it’s too late to return to the days where mum, dad , son and daughter used to have conversations and talk about things instead of living in separate worlds . I’m 57 this year and what I see is depressing, my son is 31 years old and has his own child now and I hope he and his son never stop talking so they have a strong relationship like I had with my son . We are all to blame, let us start to put our shattered society back together before it’s too far gone

[@Eric76]

Spot on the current 20 somethings are more advanced in their ability to use the web and enact behaviour that was not heard of before they were born. They are generally very insensitive to the world and it's people around them.

[@joce11]

​@@katiePetsyNo previous generation has suffered a lack of boundaries, parenting, morals and life skills as this generation has. No generation has grown up with social media, media and ideological nonsense as this generation. What kids have to tolerate these days is sickening and frankly I can't see society changing.

[@pureheart1916]

I’m blaming the parents who are the cause of the bad education and awful behaviour

[@SillyBoyKisserLol]

Womp Womp

[@Patrick_2008]

Aren’t you funny

[@alter709]

For the past year I watch GBN on you tube In that time I have seen multiple trans phobic segments on your channel Do better ! Brianna was called an “it” kids learn that !

[@SuperKiao]

He

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

I personally don’t like the idea of saying someone was born evil. People may be predisposed to conditions that can cause them to commit horrific crimes such as ed kemper but how children are brought up and educated is incredibly valuable. Just saying that we can’t lay all the blame on some notion of good vs evil there are steps along the way in which people should step in to prevent things fromescalating

[@stephthomas4031]

There are 2 types of psychopaths. Born, and there is definitely a propensity for evil when there is no conscience and they don't respond to any kind of therapy. There is 1 in 100 born this way an parenting makes zero difference. And those who have been brought up in a psychopathic household where the behaviour is learned and these prototypes can be helped if they recognise and want o change. Born psychopaths have no desire to change as having no empathy gives them a sense of power which they enjoy.

[@66kaisersoza]

Some people are born without a conscience but that doesn't make them evil

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

@@66kaisersoza yeah evil is really an aesthetic term we give to things we don’t really want to understand be it effort or giving said killer the time of day. But it’s important to understand things are more complex and thus should be treated as such

[@Emberchariot]

​@@bobbob-cd9ylit's not an aesthetic for things we don't want to understand. I'm pretty sure I understand these two murdered a vulnerable teen who had no way to protect herself. What is hard to understand about this and why are you calling it an aesthetic? That's adding to the problem. People see these acts of crime and see it as cool. Evil is not an aesthetic, an aesthetic means it's nice to look at, this is not nice nor good nor hard to understand in any shape or form. I feel sorry for the murderers and for Brianna's family, but I understand they what they did was evil.

[@William_Snowfox.01]

There is good and evil. I’m Catholic and I strive to be like Jesus every day. You’re just making excuses.

[@TheMadmacs]

has any history of scarlets previous school came out yet? people dont go from zero red flags to murder.

[@desd1932]

Nothing like the Jamie Bulger case at all.

[@nessah23]

Shouldn’t ever be free.life for a life.too soft Britain showing this daily

[@PetitePagan]

The government and media need to take accountability for this and other recent attacks on trans people after stirring up hate towards them.

[@adam_19855]

Where are trans people demonised in the media or by the government? it seems to me it’s the complete opposite of how you portray it.

[@aaronsmith4940]

If it wasn't a trans person it would have been someone else, people like this are looking for victims

[@trevorhart545]

Correction, there were OTHER Targets NOT transgender. YOU are jumping on a Band Wagon making it worse for everyone. Please THINK first before making FALSE ALLEGATIONS!

[@Theresaisabiologicalwoman]

No it's the parents job not the Governments

[@Lisa-dv1xn]

​@@trevorhart545 They clearly targeted her because she was trans though?

[@tashaax1993xanimalloverx]

Only issue is see with naming them is the fact they will get off on the fact their known like their glorified ...also they will get granted anonymity once out...

[@jaxmanx]

No apology accepted if it was me. As a parent it was also your responsibility bringing up your daughter. Hold you head up with shame and this burden of your murderer kid 😡😠🤬

[@mariahoulihan9483]

hold your head UP with shame.. that is back to front. I haven't heard anything that the Mother di anything to cause this.

[@englishlady8863]

Where and how they manage to buy the knife??

[@chrisstones3488]

His father bought it for him.

[@jamielee9350]

No one is "Born Evil"... it is all about the way you are raised , and the society you are brought up in.

[@username.exenotfound2943]

id imagine partly the internet since if you are constantly on areas of 4chan or reddit where there are some seriously fucked up people, it will change you for the worst and the parents likely wont know whats causing it

[@lostintranslation1957]

Not necessarily.

[@nataliebutler]

It's obviously not. People are born with different predisposition and capacities. Some might need the wrong environment to end up that way, but others never could, not matter what 'society' does.

[@Vivi_9]

They've grown up knowing nothing but Tory misery, products of their environment indeed

[@Vivi_9]

They've grown up under t*ry rule they are definitely products of their environment

[@icelandicwitch5749]

Eddie Ratcliff’s father brought him the hunting knife while on holiday. He also brought him a set of three throwing knives from the same shop in Bulgaria.A very unpleasant man who encouraged violence .

[@2009mysha]

This pair will be out when under 40, God help us to survive this pair being let out.

[@spudhead1161]

Don't talk from your back door.

[@TheresAnAngieAmongUs]

@@spudhead1161 How are they talking from their backdoor? Its true they most likely will be let out early

[@spudhead1161]

@@TheresAnAngieAmongUs IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT, NOT VERY BRIGHT ARE YOU.

[@spudhead1161]

@@TheresAnAngieAmongUs They could do 30 or 40 years.

[@mariahoulihan9483]

not for sure.

[@Add_Account485]

What's she on about we can't be EVIL?. OH YES WE CAN..! .. ( RELIGIOUS OR NOT..) THAT'S THE WORD WE USE TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE MEAN.. . That lady need not 2nd guess herself trying to describe the difference between good & EVIL.. CAUS THERE IS ONE! APOLOGIZE TO NO-ONE LOVE . 😅❤

[@JohnDoe-yg2eu]

The trans part is completely irrelevant. They had a list of several targets.

[@royalmilotic]

Her being trans was why they hated her. They hated the others for different reasons for each

[@verierii]

They did target her because she was trans, on the list the targeted many vunrable people, sadly managing to kill brianna

[@alexfilma16]

@@royalmilotic*Him

[@nox7282]

Were the others harmed?

[@palerider955]

Truth matters.

[@TheLastSongbird124]

It seems to me that there has been a noticable increase in teens today of callousness and cold heartedness with a willingness to main & kill, the likes of which we have never seen in this country ever in its history! Our culture is being erroded, the criminality in this nation today is at a high we have never seen before, ever! If this isn't telling you something then you must be blind!

[@vivhiggins5656]

Sorry we have look at the history and the devil run's this world,and children should be tought right from wrong and a bout god but sadly not and a lot off people have 2 faces and all so a lot off star's actor's high ups,god help us all has evil is all a round us,😢😮

[@britishpatriot7386]

​@devstuff2576that's a ridiculous excuse for today's ridiculous young

[@irreverend_]

I honestly wouldn't say it's worse than it's ever been, but it is more publicised due to the internet and 24 hour news coverage. Many many horrific crimes have been committed throughout history, by young people as well as otherwise. Also a higher population is going to lead to an increasing number of cases. This was particularly bad because they had no reason, they just wanted to kill someone. Doesn't even seem they targeted her in particular, could've been anyone they decided to.

[@TheLastSongbird124]

@devstuff2576 that's when you check the historic stats to back up one's statement :)

[@Freddielounds-1790]

​@@vivhiggins5656No correlation between those who can't even communicate in basic English and those who claim satan runs their life.😂

[@robertgregory380]

theres an old saying, the law is an ass, life should be life

[@lXlQueenofScots]

Are the killers related? They look a lot like each other.

[@ultimaoculis6389]

No they just both look a little inbred

[@rosieposie9564]

I wondered too.

[@Opiumpoppy8]

They are the spawn of Satan 👿

[@Disinfo321]

They’re from a hillbilly area, Warrington if I’m correct.

[@herbiewalkermusic]

It’s more nurture than it is nature.

[@andrewtaylor2525]

How is 20 years a life sentence?

[@andrewtaylor2525]

@Leidolfr oh, I see. Thank you.

[@harleyokeefe5193]

@Leidolfr That isn't what that means lol

[@emilyconnelly-3449]

@Leidolfrthat’s not what it means. A life sentence doesn’t mean you’ve taken a life intentionally although that can be a cause for serving a life sentence. A life sentence is a sentencing given in court for serving time, usually with a minimum amount of years raging between about 10-30 years. After those minimum years are served the defendant can apply for parole. If parole is granted by the parole board then the person will be “on license” for the rest of their life. Hence a life sentence. Being on license means you will be under supervision of a probation officer in your community + there will be restrictions and rules you have to follow and if you fail to follow them you can end up back in prison. However a life sentence is different to a whole life term. This means you’ll spend your entire life in prison which are for the most serious of crimes

[@spudhead1161]

​@LeidolfrA life sentence is relevant to how long it is. ffs

[@spudhead1161]

​@LeidolfrA life sentence expires after 99 years, most get a tarriff and on licence till the 99 years end. If a 20 year old gets a whole life sentence, they will get out at 119 years old.

[@jackkelly6282]

Stay away from that family! Audacity to think it can even talk about them!

[@smoll.miniatures]

It’s nowhere near Jamie bulger I’m afraid.

[@user-bq3og5pz9w]

No not born evil but raised evil

[@olgaherdova3206]

Life for life. I’m sorry, but I don’t care, how old are they. They absolutely knew, what they did and plan it. Horrible. RIP Brianna ❤😢

[@aaronsmith4940]

Nobody is born evil, somone made them that way, directly or indirectly her mother is to blame.

[@sgarratt8652]

I disagree. I have several siblings all raised together in the same manner. One is a sociopath the others are kind and normal. I think you are born this way.

[@carlcayford5928]

Any woman who allows their children to transition, should be jailed for child abuse.

[@xredjasperx247]

Girl your comment history is so pathetic 🤣

[@lemongrabloids3103]

Found the uneducated loudmouth with an opinion…

[@jamielee9350]

Does this woman even know what "Forensic Planning" even means ...

[@baloney2271]

yall know how the transphobic climate online is, right

[@carrietaylor6658]

I didn't know schools allowed dress up

[@nicholasgerrish6022]

It’s a very strange crime ….. The Police claimed at the outset, that the murder of this Transgender young male, (and the gender isn’t in dispute), was nothing to do with him being Trans. It is clear that they realised that this was a Trans person, of male gender, and probably found him/her to be rather “different”ie, a not unattractive seemingly female young person, who was, however, a boy. Ratcliffe apparently stated that he wanted to hear if ghey screamed like a man or a girl, while being killed…… Would they have killed her, had Brianna Ghey been of a normal sexuality? We don’t know, but thinking back to my schooldays, certain pupils, who perhaps suffered from looking and behaving differently, were often treated rather unpleasantly by their peers. Was it this persons peculiar disposition that caused the two young murderers to place him/her at the front of their list of victims? Whatever may have caused them to so brutally murder Brianna Ghey, it would be very hard to find any excuse for their actions, and as has been pointed out, Scarlet Jenkinson was darkly and perversely determined to take a life, for her own bizarre reasons. I also find it odd that a Head Teacher should be wearing a nose ring…… It may not matter, but it doesn’t seem much of an example to the young, on top of all the other things our children have to take on board these days. What on earth has happened!

[@joce11]

I think these kids were hellbent on doing something to somebody and also not just a case of if but when. Horrific thought really.

[@kinggoose3910]

pure evil

[@MrDaveyboy125]

Yes the he/she's mother was.

[@MrRailjunkie]

​@@MrDaveyboy125what do you mean?

[@MrDaveyboy125]

What kind of mother allows a small boy to have a sex change and be mutilated by a money grabbing, paedophile surgeon? @@MrRailjunkie

[@dartmoordave]

Her parents are teachers. Just shows what they know.

[@Annabella24183]

Wait till ya all find out what the gov get upto

[@Whest92]

How can you compare a 2 year old murdered to a 15 year old trans 😂

[@lemongrabloids3103]

Both cases involve children murdering children. These two planned to murder another child but it fell through before they lured Brianna out to the woods…

[@alanfizzypop9607]

Very dangerous so called human beings the question is how were they allowed to fester there madness untill they murdered it did not just happen over night

[@mattwuk]

Soon as I heard stepdad, broken home, broken kid. Im not saying every kid with divorced parents is bad, that would be ridiculous and there are kids that come from a stable family that go bad. It's just more likely bad shit happens.

[@gilpetperdon9831]

They probably forced the mom to go on their and say all that, pathetic.

[@MrGonetopot]

If Brianna had lived a full life and been lucky she would have probably lived to 75+ years. We all know they're only going to serve the minimum term. Life should mean you're carried out in a box.

[@alexfilma16]

*he

[@LittleLoz]

​@@alexfilma16she

[@SuperKiao]

@@LittleLozhe

[@LittleLoz]

@@SuperKiao she

[@SuperKiao]

@@LittleLozXY chromosomes

[@PatriciaByrne-pz3jk]

And the judge stated in court whilst giving the sentence, that scar-rat 🐀 had said in her medical assessment that she would kill again. Pure pure evil.

[@perry5509]

I think the internet has influence, for sure. I mean what did this girl apparently binge watch? Crime murder documentaries. She consumed so much media about murder that she came to idolise serial killers, but the fact remains that the media is there for us to all consume in the first place. The world has a weird fascination with murder- it's not just these two... Personally I don't think endless crime murder documentaries and videos should be allowed. It clearly can trigger violent thoughts and behaviour. These two have done something news worthy, but how many others have committed acts of violence that never gets reported, inspired by what they've seen online?

[@Jerharris90]

It's crazy. FAR FAR FAR more trans people kill than the other way around and the media ACTIVELY HIDES THE STORIES!!

[@Whest92]

U opinion is invalid, ty

[@LostHope84]

Are you one of those old boomers who think video games create killers too? Should we just shelter people from the realities of life because they’re too weak and susceptible to influence? Maybe if parents cared about their kids, this shit would no longer happen.

[@perry5509]

@@Whest92 why? It would probably make you sound at least a little more intelligent if you had a counter argument. Ty x

[@dannysstart2218]

was the news reporter drunk? she seems a bit off it

[@350SL]

3 troubled kids

[@Harapan876]

why was brianna troubled?

[@alexfilma16]

@@Harapan876A boy thinking he’s a girl.

[@The_Banshee724]

Right at the end the presenter said "Talking about one of the TWO big horrible stories of today" what was the other story?

[@M4rkmcc21]

Whats with the title "trans gender teen" and keeping on saying it. Give it a rest. Just use the word her. Thats what she wanted to be.

[@BlackHeartDruid]

him

[@HeatyFrog]

It's GB News, frankly it's amazing they didn't put "boy" in the title

[@juchiha9566]

@@BlackHeartDruid What was your goal with this comment?

[@verierii]

@@BlackHeartDruid her*

[@barnbersonol]

Mother talks remorse but I bet she'll still keep visiting her devil kid in prison.

[@LostHope84]

You can be remorseful and still love your children at the same time…

[@silver4831]

​@@LostHope84How could you love a child after they did that?

[@IBTU]

IF THE VICTIM WAS STRAIGHT IT WOULD BE IGNORED

[@x-vh2ke]

I think you mean cis.

[@bilbo7115]

the reason UK media is covering this so extensively is because she was 16 and the gruesome specifics with which the killing took place with other teens involved rather than because she was trans and it was a hate crime. Also i think you mean cisgender, she was not gay, she was trans.

[@razekpraxis]

This is what we mean by hatecrime. This was a hatecrime.

[@MrMaxeemum]

I think the reason is because she was jealous that a boy could look better than her and get more attention from TikTok than her.

[@IBTU]

@@bilbo7115cis 😂😂😂 your either a male or female

[@bradleymilton9372]

I'm a mum

[@kt1696]

I would say these two people are deeply damaged by some events, why should mental health not be discussed? It's the only way the truth can be clarified.

[@itzbp9949]

Still was a male not a female

[@x-vh2ke]

False

[@itzbp9949]

@@x-vh2ke nope correct. Chromosomes in his body would tell you that

[@x-vh2ke]

@@itzbp9949 Cis women can have XY chromosomes, too. Are they men? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6586948/

[@Disinfo321]

@@itzbp9949sex and gender are two different things. It doesn’t affect my life because I don’t know any trans and I’m not trans myself, but by definition chromosomes don’t determine one’s gender - that is sex. If one has female characteristics and identifies as female then they’re female, biologically or not. If they aren’t hurting anybody who cares.

[@itzbp9949]

@@Disinfo321 thats the biggest bunch of deluded bullshit I've ever heard read a biology book and stop reading shit online

[@paul-j1216]

Capital Punishment ! !!!!!!

[@winbig1]

THERE IS NO LEGAL RECOGNITION OF A TRANS GIRL IF YOU ARE UNDER 18. SO THE VICTIM COULD NOT LEGALLY HAVE BEEN MENTIONED AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A BOY IN A COURT. THEREFORE UNFORTUNATELY THE VERDICT SHOULD BE OVERTURNED.

[@galinadodd2318]

So you think they should get away with it?

[@winbig1]

@@galinadodd2318 Where did I say that !? I'm saying that the rules must be followed. I'm also against cannabis and one of the killers was taking it age 13 coming into school high.

[@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.]

You're an absolute clown

[@SinUc-w5z]

You need help…

[@winbig1]

​@@SinUc-w5z Wow what a great reply. Thanks for your infinite wisdom.

[@mezykin]

that mom looks born evil too

[@alexdawson1203]

Mother and Father are just as evil, lying to your son his whole life telling him he can be something he cannot. If they didn't enable his delusions and got him help he might still be with us. Sick parents that had a hand in his murder too.