Born From A Wish | Silent Hill 2 (17)

[@rahjeel]

My headcanon will always be that Maria's section in the game is some David Lynch twisted dreamlike state of reality. Like the town went out of it's way to actually materialize a human being for the sole purpose of tormenting someone who comes to the town the same way it manifested the monsters.

[@BlueMarsalis]

I don't think that's even arguable.

[@lurkerinthedarkness]

I like this mode. You can unlock the rocket launcher with infinite ammo and also it explains how the G-Virus escaped Silent Hill.

[@SapphireAgent]

Stripper clarification, because I can lol: Some clubs have spinning poles, some don't. You will get calluses and bruises (and yes, sometimes friction burn) regardless of which type of pole you're using at first, but with practice and frequent pole work your body will toughen up and get used to having pressure and weight in all those unusual places and then it doesn't really hurt. Spinning poles are also definitely not easy-mode. They make spins easier (...duh, lol), but they make pretty much everything else harder because you're grabbing onto an object that moves in your hand (or whatever body part you're trying to hold on with). If you ever did the monkey bars on the playground as a kid and hit one bar that's loose and would turn in your hand when you grabbed onto it, that's what it's like. It's easier to learn a trick on a static pole and then, once you get it down, practice it on a spinning one.

[@Meitti]

First game had Lisa walking around despite her being dead for years and she doesn't even realize it until last hour of the game. Maria isn't the first or even the last monster who acts like human in the original four games.

[@dispnin]

Lisa had only just died right before the events of Silent Hill 1

[@Ether101_Prime]

Lisa isn't a monster, just a soul trapped in Silent Hill.

[@Meitti]

@@Ether101_Prime She says it out loud in the first game just before starting to bleed like crazy, that she's the same as the rest of the monster hospital staff. The real Lisa is long dead but memory of her lingers in Alessa's nightmare worlds.

[@Ether101_Prime]

@@Meitti There's a bit of lore in 3 and, I believe, a comment made by dev that says people who die suddenly are trapped in Silent Hill forever. This is why Lisa pops up as the Brookhaven Nurse latter on.

[@Meitti]

@@Ether101_Prime I think you're referencing Lost Memories, thats not exactly what it said. People's ghosts in general don't get trapped in Silent Hill, Lisa is an exception because she was caretaker of Alessa. Which means in games like Silent Hill 3 when you enter Otherworld which is basically just a feverish nightmare of Alessa, there can be glimpses of Lisa in there.

[@slandracon3853]

I personally subscribe to Pat(StaresAt)'s theory that Silent Hill just stole a stripper off the street and FORCED her to become Maria. It makes the most horrifying scenario, and in-universe sense given Silent Hills torturous redemption schtick.

[@PR--un4ub]

The scariest bit in this sub-story so far: a recording of footsteps.

[@baddunwell2306]

Like James her story also begins in front of a mirror.

[@PR--un4ub]

Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

[@baddunwell2306]

@@PR--un4ub yerp!

[@damien1065]

Either self reflection or alternate worlds

[@iamfishmonger.9548]

The fact they went as far as to give her a section of game shows how much effort went into this game. A figment come to life with all the attributes of sentience.

[@joshuareesor1756]

Well, it helps that they got an extra couple of months to work on the game, as Born from a Wish (along with other content like the UFO ending and general graphic improvements) were only included in the greatest hits version of SH2.

[@MLGHazrad]

I don't think this person was created specifically for James. I think Silent Hill is cruel enough to turn a real human to a persona made to fuck with James.

[@RicochetForce]

@@MLGHazrad Yeah, Woolie is right to be terrified by this shit. It makes the town even more terrifying.

[@XyerDark]

"I'm afraid to die." - person that dies multiple times in the main game

[@GASPERL1]

Exactly. Isn’t it horrifying that a person who’s afraid to die, is killed multiple times just to remind some random schmuck that he murdered his own wife? The fact that Maria is humanized so much by this DLC tells us that the town is even more fucked up than we thought

[@XyerDark]

@@GASPERL1 It is, but it's also funny.

[@dagdammit]

She'd know better than most if it's something to be afraid of.

[@animateacumen9396]

Have you considered, although not human, she feels the death every time she dies (afraid of the pain of death). I always took her objection to James leaving the town without her to mean the moment he either dies or leaves, to mean she dies forever. She only exists, because he does. And so the Maria ending really is HER ending. But fate is cruel, as she starts coughing near the car. I took this to mean she is bound to the town just as much as she is him. So she needs him to stay there, but they leave in a car. Chances are she dies anyways, the moment you leave town.

[@XyerDark]

@@animateacumen9396 Nah, she's not real at all, the Maria ending is James failing to realize the town is still testing him after he obviously failed and embraced the lie rather than seeking true redemption.

[@Alazull]

Honestly I kinda always thought that maybe Maria was someone who had maybe killed herself. Perhaps an actual stripper in this weird little mountain town run by a drug-selling cult. All the stuff in the main scenario is kind of Silent Hill punishing people who were alive, perhaps this is how the town "punishes" people after death, by using them as puppets to torture the living.

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

That's a neat theory

[@atdrawn]

That's actually in line with something from Silent Hill 3: when Heather first encounter the Closer in the mall, you can find it munching on a bloodied corpse. Later it's confirmed that the corpse is reused Angela's model. It might be just technical necessity from devs to save up time, but your theory put a sinister twist on it. Silent Hill swallowing people to their doom regardless of their innocence and then spitting them out later to fuck with newcomers that wander inside... it's pretty harrowing to think about

[@joshuareesor1756]

Silent Hill 3 actually talks about that idea in an optional occult magazine. It reads ""The souls of those who died suddenly by suicide or accident don't realize they're dead. Sometimes they stay put and haunt that particular place. These spirits have lost their human senses and memories and can only keep replaying the pain and sadness of the moment they died. The pain can get so bad that they turn to humans for salvation -- or they begrudge humans their lives. At such times they can possess humans."

[@planguy9575]

I think Maria is supposed to be an actual person. I don't mean that she's a person from the real world who got turned into a Mary copy, I mean that she is a self willed individual. She could have chosen not to be the instrument of James torment. But in the end she decides to do what she was supposed to. Note that her gun starts out with 1 bullet. Technically a way out!

[@Kernog]

I wonder if she only put one bullet of her own volition, or if she found it like that, as if the town was telling her "You can always opt out, if you *really* want."

[@KaptinScuzgob]

"why are there monsters on the roofs?" silent hills just goofin around while it waits for Jame to show up

[@theliveliestcorpse2997]

This whole part tells me that there might be more going on in the heads of the town’s creations than we think…

[@justletmelistthese]

noooooo way.

[@23kurtzy]

Yeah I always liked this.

[@ZarathustraPrime]

"...They look like monsters to you?"

[@23kurtzy]

@@ZarathustraPrime that is the best line in that entire game

[@PR--un4ub]

@@ZarathustraPrime Vincent: "Hehehe. People will believe _me_ - a gadfly and a troll - for years to come.

[@Kiyosuki]

I remember years ago that there was a kind of interesting but horrifying theory going around that proposed Maria could have been a real person that the town essentially copy pasted elements of Mary's personality and even a bit of her looks onto for James' punishment. The idea is that she might have been someone who worked at Heaven's Night, probably as a prostitute, and for unknown reasons had suicidal thoughts (which would in a twisted way, put her in a similar headspace to James.) as well as some sort of separation anxiety, maybe related to the former, and in that vulnerable state the town snatched her (some even posited that she was either attempting to shoot herself, succeeded in doing so and is a ghost, or was partially successful, prior to the start of Born from a Wish.) and "rewrote" her into James' temptation while simultaneously having Maria enter her own purgatory situation of dying over and over, as well as chasing after someone's attention and affection. Essentially, their purgatorial scenerios coincide with eachother. Going along with this theory, the Born from a Wish scenerio is the remants of Maria's former life and emotions conflicting with the town's alterations to her physical and mental being, and her eventual coming to terms with the "role" given to her to play out. It's sort of similar to Lisa Garland's situation in SH1, where she was either one of the nightmare nurses with Lisa copy pasted onto it in a sense or the town/Alessa generated her altogether as a wandering vengeful ghost, though either way she was a real person at one time. I do think it's a neat, if messed up idea.

[@breaksystembse]

31:14 Extremely late to the Speculating Lore party and I know that on the backdrop this is just because the game is reusing James's file holder, but I always thought the fact that Maria could have been in directly born from James's idealization of Mary is why the save seal "recognizes" her as "James"

[@boyo357]

I can hear the lingering salt from Woolie from the main game here in a few spots.

[@meatwadisgod]

For me this works on similar rules as Andrei Tarkovsky's Solaris. Maria is a real, physical being created by something of intense supernatural power that can essentially telepathically probe James' mind, subconscious, etc. Kelvin's wives that are created by Solaris are real people - fully formed - who are capable of independent thought, etc. They might work on different physiological rules than normal humans and they may have severely shortened lifespans (as in Solaris and the Maria ending of SH2). Beyond those basics I'm cool with the "mechanics" of Silent Hill being a total mystery. But for this game specifically that's how I understand it.

[@VadBlackwood]

I love how she's more confident in what Hemingway's name is than hers

[@pokemooney9329]

Reggie likes his ladies chitinous

[@sorreltyree]

When Maria wakes up and says, "Everyone's gone," who is the everyone she's missing? Is there a cast of figments who exist in the memories of the figment? Where did those memories come from?

[@tenworms]

Woolie casually dropping "Streets Ahead" is the best part of this video for me

[@zygfrydvolt1281]

Upon my first playthrough i believed that Maria is a real person. Or at least was. In my minds eye she was a stripper down on her luck that got sucked into this Silent Hill right before she pulled the trigger on that gun she's carrying. The town then altered her appearance and mind so she could be what James needed. Killed and brought back to die again as punishment for her choosing to end it. But the town spawning her to being, does sound very creepy indeed.

[@PR--un4ub]

So begins "Born From A Wet Dream"...

[@musicaleuphoria8699]

I mean... it's quite possible.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@musicaleuphoria8699 I hate that.

[@SuperStuda]

4:01 In water isn't a bad ending it's an ending. no johns

[@23kurtzy]

The bad ending is clearly the Maria ending. I’ve always considered in the water the canon ending.

[@Grigorr]

@@23kurtzy True, considering your first playthrough is more cautious and explorative, and also more frugal with health items. Always made more sense as an ending too

[@SuperStuda]

this is sh2, reality and cannon don't mean much here.

[@Ragitsu]

Oh PISS OFF. Yes, an ending where a human being commits suicide is BAD. You have a warped sense of reality.

[@PR--un4ub]

I can't wait to see you-know-who go through the adventure involving the Lockstone.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Skip right through to DkS3.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@blackdragoncyrus No.

[@Ragitsu]

@@blackdragoncyrus Piss off, Cy-rASS.

[@Gilbals]

I think this is clearer if Woolie gets the idea out of his head of figments of imagination. It manifested something from his desires. A living, breathing person, who has their own goals, but no real memories (except for those snippets of Mary). Even though if you leave with Maria, she will die soon after as implied by t he cough and medications, but that doesn't mean something born there can't go on to have a perfectly fine life. The child of Silent Hill 1, as we all know, is technically a manifestation of the place. She grew up to have a fine life until the cult ruined it, though it is implied that shit was starting to stir up around her for just existing. Anyway, back to topic. Everything in Silent Hill is real. It is tangible, made of meat, flesh, and if need be: barbed wire, metal, and rust. Perceptions of these things may vary from person to person depending on your viewpoint of the town. Not everything born from Silent Hill is inherently evil, just most things. There's also the multiple Silent Hills: The actual town which is never really stated if it's inhabited anymore or functions beyond cult shit. The otherworld Silent Hill, which is the foggy, typically dangerous place with broken roads and weird shit. Then finally we have Silent Hell which is when the sirens go off and shit gets rusty or dingy.

[@bargaintuesday812]

This wasn't DLC. It was a bonus segment added to the Xbox port (and then later versions of the game).

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

He did mention that it wouldn't be DLC at that point in time and it would be an expansion for a re-release/Greatest Hits version

[@bargaintuesday812]

@@TAMAMO-VIRUS It's directed more toward people in the comment section calling it dlc.

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

@@bargaintuesday812 Ah, gotcha

[@WillKeaton]

I feel like that puzzle would have been a lot easier to do in real life, or with a more user friendly interface.

[@AngryPainting]

Yes indeed > Put tablets in one’s lap > Grab corners of the top two with fingertips > Spin them until all square holes are blocked > Place the three tablets at once

[@Gungho73]

Woolie brings up the realest shit with the peanut butter in the memory card slot: Reggie: *gears turning internal thinking* there's no way he just made that up on the spot. that's gotta be real. *looks over to confirm; immediately knows it to be the truth based on Woolies face* That's when you know there's a level of friendship beyond a casual one. When you can just know even before confirmation. But you still confirm anyways because WHY PEANUT BUTTER?!?!!?

[@brentcrobarger7872]

This plate puzzle . . . The initial plate orientation doesn't matter. After you put down the first plate there's only 16 combinations of orientations between the remaining 2. It would be faster to brute force every option.

[@PR--un4ub]

The "Paradise" logo in "Heaven's Night" looks like a reclining nude (modern) Samus Aran.

[@nackskott12]

If she were a performer there, I'd go to Heaven's Night for sure.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@nackskott12 She's certainly built for that kind of performance.

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

tumblrized

[@PR--un4ub]

@@SonplaysMinEcraft ?

[@StaticSable]

I can see Woolie's not wasting any time getting brushed up on DS2 for Reggie's imminent playthrough.

[@GriffGalore]

It's okay, Reggie. Sometimes they just use lots of oil to lube the legs and arms

[@Homodemon]

Ok, now I'm imagining an oiled up stripper spinning out of control in the pole

[@k96man]

@@Homodemon (sound of a door being kicked down) LOOKS LIKE IT'S TIME TO OIL UP!!

[@nackskott12]

@@Homodemon Let 'er rip! *stripper launches across the room Devil May Cry 3 style*

[@PR--un4ub]

Did "the town" create/recreate that lush indoor garden sequestered from all sunlight...or were the posh Baldwins into plastic plants?

[@pliskin101]

The town gave Eddie a pizza, so I don't doubt anything

[@PR--un4ub]

@@pliskin101 That's what I like to hear.

[@noname-xk6uz]

I want a podcast of just Reggie and Patrick tag teaming Woolie.

[@tri3s4life]

A revolver with ten chambers? Now THAT'S incomprehensible and horrifying.

[@tri3s4life]

FYI, Maria's revolver appears to be modeled off of a Smith & Wesson Model 60 Ladysmith, which had 5 chambers.

[@ArtsShadow2]

🤣 Shooting the NEW Ruger Ten-Shot 22 Long Rifle GP100 Revolver kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKObqqh9r6qfbZo

[@FightCain]

more than enough to kill anything that moves

[@AngryPainting]

@@ArtsShadow2 a plinker against full blown monsters

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

@@ArtsShadow2 Huh, pretty cool that it exists.

[@lewiscarrol6193]

"I earned it! I earned the worse control scheme!" cried Woolie.

[@demilung]

My interpretation of who or what is Maria is that she was a real person - a stripper working at Heaven's Night, who was in a very bad place mentally. Since she "awakens" in an armchair with a gun with one bullet, even though she has more right over there, i interpreted it as the past-Maria was going to kill herself and at that moment, right before she fired the gun the powers that be in Silent Hill took her and started to mold her into "Maria" a vision that would be part of James' purgatory. And it was able to take a whole-ass person and make her an NPC in someone's journey not just because that person had some fitting criteria, like being professionally sultry but also lonely and afraid of being left alone, but most importantly because that person gave up - she fully commited to giving up her life, only insdead of death the Silent Hill took it for its own needs.

[@PR--un4ub]

Woolie: "I have a lot of questions about..." Me: "Good luck with that. As far as the _Silent Hill 2_ fandom is concerned, everything and anything is apparently true; no one is wrong and this game is an infinitely deep well of meaning."

[@Digsidian]

Open to interpretation is the poisonous excuse the terrible later games hide behind.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@Digsidian It all started here :-^).

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Separate Ways: Assignment Maria

[@GASPERL1]

I see people sometimes criticizing this scenario for “revealing too much” about Maria and for ruining the idea that she’s simply a monster created by the town and not actually her own person. However, I personally like it precisely because of this reason. In my mind, Silent Hill is far from “therapy town” - it’s a fucked up place dominated by actively evil spiritual energies. The fact that a full-fledged person could be used as a mere puppet simply for the sake of tormenting someone else is horrifying if you think about it, and therefore exactly on-brand for the town. Plus I think that both Maria and Ernest are genuinely well-written characters and it’s very easy to empathize with them.

[@PR--un4ub]

It means nothing if everything means anything.

[@GASPERL1]

@@PR--un4ub I’m sorry, could you articulate your point? I don’t really understand what you mean

[@FrozenOver0]

@@GASPERL1 I think it's to the effect of "if you can pull literally any interpretation from a text, then the text is probably too broadly written to have a deeper meaning."

[@GASPERL1]

@@FrozenOver0 But how does this scenario introduce this problem? If anything, I’d think it makes the scope of possible interpretations narrower, because if it didn’t exist, you could argue for any number of things about Maria - that she’s a real person, a monster created by the town, or even simply a figment of James’ imagination. This scenario is, I reckon, pretty clear in establishing that she is a physical being who was created by the town to fulfill James’ wish to see his wife alive again - in a twisted way, of course. I thought a lot of people’s problem with this scenario was exactly that it *removes* room for interpretation - which I completely understand, even if I personally like it

[@AngryPainting]

And that’s why reality benders in comics and media are so dangerous if evil Creating an in-medias-res sapient people would be shockingly fk’d

[@1theprince1]

Dlc done right. Want more of sh2? There you go.

[@animateacumen9396]

Woolie and Pat both mistaking the fire place covering crashing loudly to the living room floor as a gun shot.

[@Allmageddon343]

Finally, another episode of "Woolie struggling with puzzles I did when I was 14"

[@Virus16th]

And yet, he fucking crushed the trash dump and horseshoe puzzles - two puzzles that took me hours to finish. We all have our strengths.

[@RocRolDis]

Woolie hearing the door opening and closing for the umpteen-billionth time: That sounded like a gunshot... Oh Woolie. XD

[@SpillyoftheLabyrinth]

Fun Fact: There were pictures of Maria near the exit to the bathroom at the start of the main game.

[@pwnyboy9714]

Reggie; The Purist.

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

Special crossover episode where Maria explores the Spencer Mansion

[@Ranryu692]

I appreciate Woolie's commitment to pushing streets ahead

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

God, the way Maria keeps knocking on the door annoys me to no end lol

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Born from a Fish.

[@prismwing]

If I was doing that board puzzle I would have opened up inkscape to brute force every combination on frame one lol.

[@99jmaster]

9:01 but there's also a lot of people just doing it normally and a lot of people that follow heads taken that up during the pandemic and they've got bruises everywhere from doing it

[@Brandon_Powell]

25:25 The proper way to play a Silent Hill game.

[@XShrike0]

3:30 At 10 round revolver? Wouldn't that either be a massive pistol or small caliber pistol?

[@evanwcahill4439]

THIS CANNOT CONTINUE.THIS CANNOT CONTINUE. THIS CANNOT CONTINUE .

[@sunkeyavad6528]

2:50 Imagine it creating a nightmare of a person, because your trauma is a serial killer or sth. Like a Shiki Nanaya situation.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

What the fuck did Woolie mean when he just blurted out "Magic exploded."?

[@MrCeratix]

In this episode Woolie confronts David Lynch

[@MrStath1986]

(JET JAGUAR NOISES INTENSIFY)

[@goodvillain1015]

9:07 Excuse me, Reggie?

[@ApocApocrypha]

Wow, what a mansion!

[@Machva]

9:10 Reggie giving his classmates a show lmao

[@Vantablack33]

This episode should be called "Reggie Shrugged"

[@CameronFulbright]

21:05 Woolie mentions item from DS2.

[@cristianl1516]

Holy shadow puzzles Woolz!

[@LargeInCharge77]

Exactly what part of the game makes woolie think he needs to lab the extremely shallow combat mechanics. Jesus

[@eric123chan]

He was a QA tester, testing and experimenting is ingrained in him

[@chaosthunder]

he can do what he wants lol

[@Arc_hive]

Woolie super tired

[@dagothur2248]

Does penut butter fuck up the memory card permanently? Couldnt you just clean your card up or is the card fried when it makes contact and tries to read?

[@spacesergeant101]

Streets ahead!

[@El_Legante]

Alright boys, time to hit the stripper lab.

[@evp.2641]

Reggie, calloused thighs are not where it's at,

[@dominicstevens5851]

FoR tHe AlGoRiThM

[@AngryPainting]

\[T]/ Praise the Sun! He changed the controls!

[@Ragitsu]

Praise nothing. These are tank control games.

[@FightCain]

Oh sweet, to be honest, I only played this part once and never touched it again. Exciting to see this part again with Woolie and Reggarth

[@ryanmalinowski7529]

Lol at earning it!

[@heirapparent8217]

Whoops!

[@geminicrest]

I genuinely don't understand why this campaign rubs some people the wrong way. Does it mess with their strongly held beliefs of what the game is supposed to be in their heads? Honestly, I don't understand why its so divisive.

[@Abon666]

The level design is not as tight.

[@PR--un4ub]

It takes away some of the mystery.

[@geminicrest]

@@PR--un4ub ah, like star wars prequels

[@PR--un4ub]

@@geminicrest ...kind of like that, yes.

[@zuliusbazworth8627]

HONK

[@Szriko]

oh no woolie don't do it don't play it I know I'm weeks late because this is long pre-recorded but retroactively don't do it

[@locke2517]

I was going to say the same thing

[@MrStath1986]

(Jet Jaguar gestures and noises to spell out 'too late fucker')

[@slifer875]

This extra mode was a nice well written story but it feels like out of place fan fiction....

[@CaptainTitforce]

Imagine if "Tidus thought a bomb to be a blitzball, kicked it and then died" was an actual playable DLC...

[@slifer875]

@@CaptainTitforce since i despise tidus i would pay a huge ammount of money for that DLC.

[@RicochetForce]

@@CaptainTitforce I still can't believe that shit is real. My god everything from that story is 100% Clown Shoes.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@RicochetForce Yeah, but, Yuna is hot.

[@RicochetForce]

@@PR--un4ub She does look cool in her art from that story... but that mine shit, and all the other dumbass nonsense in that story.

[@TheDecisionsDecision]

Hate the fact that silent hill tuned into a series that's all about manifestations of a person's psyche... I just want monsters & devil shit.

[@PR--un4ub]

Another fan of the first game? Nice!

[@joshuareesor1756]

Even in the first game, the monsters and otherworld stemmed from Alessa's fears and trauma, so Silent Hill has always had influence from people's psyche. The main differing factor is how much each game focuses on either the psychology or the occult aspects, but there's always a combination of the two (at least from 1-4). The way I see it is how Masahiro Ito described designing the Closer for SH3. It's very similar to the Mandarin from SH2 but altered to fit Heather. He partially did this to showcase that Silent Hill has input on how the monsters are "designed" in-universe, creating the base that changes details depending on the person. The monsters are a combination of a person's perception and the powers behind Silent Hill; there's always devil shit at the core of Silent Hill, but that core is then altered by an individual's trauma and pain.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@joshuareesor1756 The symbolism in the first game was nowhere near as pronounced or central.

[@joshuareesor1756]

@@PR--un4ub I know; that's why I said each game has different levels of how much it focuses on the psychological and occult aspects of the series. Still, Alessa and her trauma influence all the monsters and environments of the first game, so to say the series changed into one about fighting monsters from a person's psyche would be incorrect. Even the god (called Incubus or Dream Demon) that the game is centred around birthing is influenced by this idea, as the Book of Lost Memoires states that it is an "Incarnation of the mental image of God that Dahlia had." SH1's symbolism is pretty straightforward and less pronounced than the later games, but just because it's not as central doesn't make it an aspect to discard when thinking about the game.

[@Ragitsu]

@@joshuareesor1756 Incorrect.

[@KurstKensei]

Mehhh I don't care for the Maria section of the game honestly.

[@locke2517]

I gotta say, really don't like born from a wish. It kinda undermines the base game. Its also irritating from a gameplay perspective. I was kinda hoping you'd skip it.

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

Neither do i... Maria is an illusion but this DLC turns her into a real person then why the fuck does she never appear in the base game for the other characters... it just sucks and fucks with the base game god damnit Konami

[@heirapparent8217]

The existing character model of Maria was a good base to make a full playable character. That’s it. That’s the only reason.

[@steffanofumo]

@@touchingisjustthefirststep Maria only interact with a voice behind a door and James, nowhere it says she’s a “real” person, for all we know she manifested right before waking up.

[@GASPERL1]

I don’t really know where people get this idea that everything the SH characters experience must simply be a figment of their imagination. Sure, the games fuck with this idea a lot, but it’s never officially confirmed anywhere - the beauty of it is that it’s supposed to be ambiguous. Also, James and Harry could get hurt and die fighting the monsters along their journeys. How could that be possible, if everything is just happening in their minds the whole time? So I dunno, I never really had much of a problem with Maria being an actual, physical being. The fact that she’s “real” isn’t in conflict with the interpretation that she’s a creation of the town - after all, Silent Hill is very capable of creating real, physical monsters that can hurt you. And if it can create monsters, why not full-fledged persons? That’s what the title of this scenario implies - Maria was “born from a wish”. It’s fascinating to me, because it implies that she exists in a sort of “limbo” - a real person in the sense that she has her own consciousness and humanity, but at the same time a mere puppet created ad-hoc to serve a purpose in someone else’s story. I don’t know, I just find it much more interesting than the simple idea that “she never existed at all, James only imagined her because he’s delusional”.

[@rockmanfan100]

@@GASPERL1 i like this dlc

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

I hate that this DLC exists and i feel like Konami had something to do with it