Born good? Babies help unlock the origins of morality

[@woahcelestial]

I'm being forced to do homework on this. Help

[@madisonparrish2707]

same

[@likely_dreaming6175]

Same Here. It's a conspiracy! haha

[@SHIROSshir]

Celestial ..Im watching it on 3 AM from my own will and criusity...this is fascinating!! lucky u :)

[@woahcelestial]

Lol 9th grade History sucks

[@jaimeflor4181]

Hah, it's an extra credit assignment for me, college level Social Psychology, an essay on bias.

[@thekendredspirit5771]

The older kids that appeared to be more altruistic could’ve known that they were being tested and wanted to come across as selfless instead of selfish. So maybe as they got older they just became better manipulators because they know that selfish behavior is seen as unacceptable. Or maybe they legitimately were empathetic.

[@princeakeem8646]

This is true. It's difficult to tell whether they were just being manipulative. It tells me that learning social norms and courteousness might just be another expression of self interest; that our true motivation is the plaudits we hope to receive for being altruistic. The presenter does mention that once pressured or stressed, we revert back to a state that our innate bias dictates.

[@sarahvazq]

Azay Deelay yeah because at ten years old you wouldn’t be able to tell how obvious that test was? It would be pretty simple for them to see that they were being tested, and they chose the ‘kinder’ option because they thought that is what they were supposed to pick. Even though the examiners didn’t tell them what they were up to it wouldn’t be hard for a kid at that age to understand what was going on.

[@md.ashfaqulislam2960]

"Ball thief". How do babies know who owns the ball? 4:41. Maybe they just saw the other puppet refusing to share the ball as bad behavior. There is a difference between theft and bad behavior. Also, will they show biases if they see the 'thieves' behaving nicely earlier?

[@sha9543]

I feel like little girls will fight for what is right no matter whose watching

[@Marieparawho]

@Azay Deelay exactly. They obviously didn’t tell them they were being tested.

[@emptyheat]

Can the baby's preference to use their right or left hand has anything to do with which stuffed animal to grab when given the choice? Did this study address this?

[@hodanelmi2958]

R L I agree 100%

[@violetclover1224]

Did you hear the percentages? 75% and 81% are way too significant to attribute to dominant handedness, especially when the placement of the puppets was randomized

[@Last_Resort991]

If the study is not conducted by morons, factors like these are excluded by randomizing the position of the bunnies. Other factors like the color that the bunnies wear or (subtle) hints by adults should also be excluded.

[@hippyjoe]

Plus the "good" puppet was basically handed to them, whereas the "bad" one was held to the side. Either it was a chance accident, or the study assistant knew which one was which.

[@saltypotatochip4707]

In the studies where they were testing bias, many of the babies chose the bad puppets on their left. Unless the first babies shown were all right handed and in the second study they were left handed, I don't think handedness has much to do with it. I do agree that the study had other flaws.

[@J0DY85]

It would be interesting to have them choose a bunny, then show that bunny doing "bad" things, then have them choose again.

[@angelahaugh2740]

Good idea

[@Germatti13489]

Do you mean they should use a bunny rabbit stuffed animal instead of one that is a kitten? Because they are showing the stuffed animals doing good and bad things.

[@sashagamino2268]

@@Germatti13489 and your point?

[@Jane.Doe.]

@@Germatti13489 ? what? The original commenter was *perfectly* clear in their idea. Now. What are *you* trying to talk about? 🥴🤯 Are you a drooling blob or what?

[@ahhwe-any7434]

Theyve done that already. Only, I forgot how it goes. I guess they mostly choose good. Or think it's funny. I cycle the same thoughts throughout my yrs.

[@AddBowIfGirl]

Do “they become more generous” or do they become more self-conscious and concerned with the opinions of other. Younger children are notoriously the most honest humans.

[@bbrochelle77]

100% agree here. They're more concerned about what the other person may think of them if they find out if they gave them fewer chips.

[@SuperTonyony]

You guys think like psychopaths do. Do you vote Republican?

[@TheSlodfj5]

​@@SuperTonyony No one brought up politics. Seems like your projecting.

[@no_namegkjhfkashfkdshflkjdashf]

I mean, when I was that young I never felt self conscious, I had the urge to be nice to people and generous. Self image issues came after puberty. Personal experience, but others might agree.

[@Lambda_Ovine]

I think is implied that as kids grow older, the culture they grow up with overrides natural instincts, at least to an extent.

[@dianaram.c.1992]

They can't do what a rat or pigeon does. Idk why but this sent me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@wendywhoisit1819]

Well for a long time after we enter this world all we are capable of is lying on our backs and shitting our pants. What did you expect.

[@nobody1747]

@@wendywhoisit1819 a comparison that didnt involve rats is something I'd expect XD

[@OlivePapyrus]

But rat and pigeon infants are also useless. Unfair comparison.

[@xmunchyx]

@@OlivePapyrus the only difference between the rat/pigeon babies and human babies is that the human babies are way less likely to be eaten alive. The rest is the same haha

[@sarahyambao6454]

They're not essentially wrong, I mean we can"t fly nor voluntary live in the sewers hahaha

[@thehooeys1392]

This doesn’t prove anything “moral” but self-preserving tendency. They like nice behaviour because it guarantees them pleasure or less suffering. Let’s see who chooses morality if it comes with suffering.

[@AddBowIfGirl]

The Hooeys How can morality come with suffering? Self-preservation is a stretch given the low stakes.

[@mads229]

The Hooeys They are choosing the behavior that is more pro-social instead of anti-social. Things that are moral are usually also pro-social behaviors

[@erinirvine7588]

Well to be fair humans have been known to commit moral acts even if it may cause suffering to themselves we are at our most basic construct very kind and social creatures.

[@Shaidwjqksjfbejwk1]

Marko Fahrenheit they specified in the video that the person handing the children the toys was unaware of which toy was the bad one or the good one

[@Getyourwishh]

@@AddBowIfGirl sympathy

[@Bcakes1953]

This doesn't mean that we are born good it means we all may know good when we see it and want to be treated that way

[@sandrablade8371]

Jeanette Freeman i totally agree

[@violetclover1224]

That... that's called being good... Recognizing good acts as good is a feature of **being** good.

[@violetclover1224]

@ I never said that recognizing bad acts makes you bad. Recognizing good acts as good is a feature of being good, and so is recognizing bad acts as bad. Manipulators giving "good" answers isn't the same thing as genuinely doing good acts. Would you say that manipulators recognize their act of manipulating as bad?

[@AddBowIfGirl]

yasmin It’s not false if we’re speaking of babies.

[@redd-qh4xn]

My opinion, Babies are pure heart but that doesn't mean the baby is good nor bad they just neutral it how people teach them or the how the environment shape them.

[@ottodude555]

I gotta say- this BLEW my mind. I'm sure there's some confusing biases, and it wouldn't hurt to try this with babies from across the globe, but this... This changed by views on a lot of things.

[@joeschmoe2843]

@Val O'Brien ...dude, you're being racist.

[@kareemdavis1500]

@Val O'Brien that's right, Europeans have always been the epitome of high morality through out history and present!

[@artisticagi]

It honestly makes sense because it would not be in the baby’s best interest to like mean people. Mean people would mean not getting fed, not getting taken care of, not loved, etc.

[@uiraideszen3223]

Some babies would choose the mean one.Not everyone is born the same

[@riteshyeddu]

@@kareemdavis1500 😂

[@DrGlendaClare]

I would like to see these studies conducted with racially diverse children.

[@LuckyBadger]

The "white Barbie" experiment is pretty famous.

[@kellygalero8293]

I was thinking the same.

[@alexvano9718]

Were there any people of color throughout that whole thing? Other than the black man walking and talking on his phone?

[@Thecrazysamurai69]

​@@alexvano9718 there was a black child, an asian child, and one of the older kids was brown (maybe latina). Just cuz they showed mostly white babies does not mean they only tested white babies. They only showed the babies whose parents allowed their kids to be shown on tv... y'all need to stop immediately assuming things

[@alexvano9718]

@@Thecrazysamurai69 Phew, ok thanks for letting me know, sorry I was just curious. I have a bad memory :/

[@xin2yu976]

why she called the baby as little creatures? as if she is not from Earth haha

[@raw_oyster]

I don't think she has kids. I mean creaturs, blobs, perfect idiots 😄

[@robertangel6918]

Creatures are created beings. So this is actually a religious term. Learn something, please.

[@user_abcxyzz]

It's a term of endearment, oddly enough. It not meant to be malicious.

[@xin2yu976]

Robert Angel sounded so distant and above, she is not God 😅

[@xin2yu976]

Trust Valentino hehe... understood ☺️thanks ya...

[@deuteronomy6.5]

LMFAO "PERFECT IDIOTS !!!!!" OMG I'M DYINGGGG "BLOBS" OMG

[@girlygirlx5174]

Kari Rose Hahahahah!!

[@cubbybunnyx]

Creatures lol

[@nobody1747]

XD for most of the baby labs history the field agreed. Just a whole building of adults that refer to babies as perfect idiot blobs.

[@sandraarriaga832]

"little bigots"

[@billdebillbill]

Perfect example of CBS stawmaning a point of view to fit the narrative of this segment

[@george9057]

I think the morality of a baby might derive from basic human instincts that come predisposed to them. Changing or becoming more complex as they age in their surrounding environment. There’s a good chance the reason why the babies liked the good dog more was because mirror neurons fired in the brains when seeing the bad dogs, making the babies self-reflect and putting themselves, at least to a very basic level, in the perspective of the victim puppet. Therefore preferring the good puppet and seeing it as an instinctual ally of some sort.

[@JSmusiqalthinka]

Yeah. What seems to be innately human is a preference for pro-social behavior, which unfortunately comes with a double edge of tribalism/bias.

[@sarahwagland1559]

@@JSmusiqalthinka It all comes down to the need to achieve balance between the two. Like anything our natural instincts only become a problem when they're extreme. Nothing wrong with a sense of belonging.

[@snois2]

3:10 that awkward moment when your kid choose the evil one

[@agiff8690]

High five kid he will do well in life

[@kellerr13]

Or they pick the one closest to them, or being more offered? The adult is speaking in a more soft voice, or the kid likes looking in that direction, or likes the shirt color more.

[@purpleflametarot39]

kellerr13 - That's true. They should mostly be identical. Maybe a small different colored circles on face or something.

[@budderkupp1282]

The next Ted Bundy perhaps??

[@borneybergantine6114]

Budder Kupp Ted Bundy Jr born in vampire Christian America,,, it's all nurture... right???

[@artisticagi]

Ok so when a baby looks at me it means they like me?

[@marissaojeda2700]

Probably

[@sparklingfashion6276]

yes. if they stare hard.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

In first place, they examine you, then you can see the reaction following your behaviour. 😀

[@bobsmith6042]

They study you

[@paulryan2128]

It means they are looking at you ... That's all you can say until you have mire information about the interaction between you and baby.

[@aparker884]

i met a bab who was bor almost a year after my friend died. i was still depressed a year and a half later and this baby girl saw that i was crying and she wipes the tears away and smiles at me i never would have thought babies would sense these kinds of things then a year later i was having kidney and abdominal pain that brought me to the floor in pain and this same baby comes up to me and hugs me. she knew i was sick how i do not know. how does a 1 year old know when something is going wrong and know how to comfort someone?

[@fiarunfair]

Babies are sensitive to facial expressions, they can sense when something is wrong through it. It's one of their primal source of communication to others.

[@worldaround6520]

I have experienced the same.

[@katiekarakondis3348]

Not surprising..animals also sense sadness in humans

[@ArnoldZiffle-jw2mv]

Babies exist closer to Heaven, my 2& 1/2 year old niece, when asked what it was like in Heaven, said it was getting hard to remember. She smiled a little and looked very serious.

[@ArnoldZiffle-jw2mv]

Babies & animals react the same to fear or anger. Maybe out of self defense.

[@ridita5221]

I feel sorry for mums, whose babies choose the wrong puppet.

[@Thoughtsbyme-ts4jz]

Ridita that baby is a supervillain just waiting to be groomed

[@ScoyGeorge]

you're the puppet

[@AddBowIfGirl]

Ridita Sorry for mums and not pops?

[@renedanielmendezlopez4473]

That's where the question lands. Is the baby inherently evil? Or can it be taught to do good or evil? What will their mothers do?

[@TheSlodfj5]

Unless, like the video showed, it could be the babies prefer that puppet because of a bias. Time Stamp 7:28 - 8:11 We saw the "other" puppet get punished and the "bad" puppet (who punished it) got chosen by the babies even though the "good" puppet helped the "other" puppet.

[@DhawanGuptaIndia]

"Respect for the Blobs"

[@TaniaDetkina]

Can baby choose a grey cat when there is an colored cat? May be colors are important as well?

[@_jko]

***** Very good question~ maybe they should switch up the color to more neutral ones and put patterns instead. like star and smiley face patterned, and heart patterned or something. just something to get rid of color.

[@Maya-jj6lu]

+Jai Ko pretty sure they've already tried something similar. When you're doing a study you do various experiments before representing the result.

[@alondramercado1082]

+Detkina Tania they test even the bunnies helping with different colored t shirts someone asked in ,my psychology class this

[@postivemolly9486]

+Detkina Tania Yes

[@Ishana_Intuitive]

Yeah, I think this test is very one dimensional... the 20%, that have not chosen the evil one, have totally been dismissed. But for me, those would be the really interesting ones...

[@agrayson8408]

I can’t keep track of what bunny I’m supposed to like. These babies must be effing brilliant.

[@trinapellegrino621]

Yes more than most people give them

[@vanessabarrera518]

🤣

[@Analyst61]

As I watched, I wondered if they randomized the color and patterns of the clothes on the toys, along with the color of the toy itself. Without knowing specifically which variables were addressed, all in all, I thought it was a brilliant start. Their results will need to be confirmed by a separate study group.

[@orbic521]

Agreed. It's interesting to note that the "good" puppet had a brighter colored shirt than the bad puppet, and the cats especially could have easily been biased because babies like bright colors. Grey vs bright orange seems pretty obvious in hindsight for a child

[@Sakura30sparkly]

Yes and study groups from different countries.

[@evelynchew9590]

I wondered the same thing - what if babies like warm colours (ginger / orange brown vs grey)? But fascinating yes. Looking into parental attitudes and different cultures would also be interesting, since even from an early age babies probably absorb a lot more social information than we would think - affectionate vs nasty behaviour etc

[@ericwalker5186]

Its that what i am thinking. Especially babies usually like bright color such as red, etc

[@MandyJMaddison]

Never mind babies. I will tell you what I observed with a litter of kittens. There were three of them. A super-Macho male called MacGregor, a playful intelligent female called Mi Mi, and a woosey, wimpish greedy fur-ball called Burberry. MacGreggor and Mi-Mi were game for anything, They ran out into the yard and wrestled in the sunshine. Burberry didn't like the yard. He didn't really like the kitchen tiles either, because they were cold under his poor little feet. They were three kittens of the same litter, but their personalities were entirely different. And here is the big difference. When they shared a bowl of food, MacGreggor would happily let Burberry eat twice his share. But Mi-Mi would put one paw firmly in the middle of Burberry's forehead and push him away, snarling at him with her mouth full. And when they wrestled, if Burberry cried, which he did, because he was such a sook, sweet MacGreggor would immediately play more gently. But if Burberry cried when he ws wrestling with Mi-Mi, the effect on Mi-Mi was exactly the opposite. She would grab him, pummel him furiously in the belly with her back legs, and bite his ears as hard as she could. The more Burberry cried, the better she enjoyed it. Eventually their Mother would come to the rescue, grab him by the scruff of the neck and drag him up the stairs, with him squawking loudly all the way as his fat body hit each stair. My observation was that one of these kitten siblings had real empathy, and the other had none whatsoever. Children, in my experience, are just as variable.

[@maudeboggins9834]

I think some kids are born happy and confident, some are born insecure, so in my opinion with encouragement from loving parents hopefully the happy thrive and the insecure are given love and encouragement. Sometimes no amount of verbal and physical reassurance from loving parents stop insecurities but hopefully limit how far down one can go.

[@haleynic]

i completely agree, i am one of the insecure ones

[@MH-be6hr]

Bottom line, however: kids need to learn self-restraint and impulse control, especially if their own instincts lead them in harmful directions.

[@615BlackBarbie]

" Babies can't do much of anything." 🙄 Yea,ok.... Have you had a baby before? Those little people can do alot. Lol

[@Naharu.]

Cant do much of anything useful, she means.

[@615BlackBarbie]

@@Naharu. That's not what she said. That's what *you* said. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@615BlackBarbie]

@L. L. I agree.

[@ahhwe-any7434]

Well... I think my baby knows she's gotta hold a bottle to feed herself. She just hasn't quite mastered the holding part yet. ,,,Other than that, she's a baby. She knows everyone's on call... I think she just tried to mimick my laugh too. Also, she favors me so 😋..

[@---nobody---]

The cereal on should have had two of the same color cats with two different and very neutral colored shirts on. The babies could be picking the orange cat because it’s visually appealing. Just saying.

[@bizambo100]

Pretty sure they repeated it many times with different color combinations to rule out that sort of confounding variable

[@angelavitulli6994]

What do you expect for a liberal to say? Ps. Babies are not (blobs) useless or unproductive. Babies are little (human beings). These people don't realize that the age of reason takes shape at seven years of age. Babies know love 💘

[@emilyd.623]

We watched this video in my Assessment Of Young Children class on Tuesday & Thursday. We were all blown away by this. It's so fascinating!

[@BinuJasim]

The man who did this research is brilliant. The reason why older kids tried to give more to others is because they are smart enough to make them look nice to others and also because they know those coins are valueless. But if it was something valuable adults will start fighting all over again like babies.

[@davidh2794]

The coins aren't valueless. The narrator said that the children were told the coins could be traded in for prizes.

[@einom1236]

I've been attending a lot of playgroups when my child was a baby and man, some babies themselves are really mean while others are kind and gentle. It's just so very obvious from early stages in life, it's kind of disturbing :D

[@shizukuspider6559]

Tbh they learn it from somewhere..i.e caregivers/parents

[@magen2271]

Spiritual nature.

[@user-hx7mi7ml8u]

“Creatures” and “blobs” what lovely names to describe babies.

[@ahhwe-any7434]

I have a blobby blobby blobby bloob of cuteness. She's my sugar plum, pumpy pumpy yumkins, she's my sweetie pie. & I love to sing sweet songs to her, she's the apple of my eye 🎵 . I'm sure I butchered that but oh well

[@chrissychriss4265]

it looked to me like the "good" bunny was always the one closest to the baby. easier to reach. am i wrong?

[@andrko7908]

Babies: goo goo ga ga want puppet and cheerio These scientists: OH MY GOD THIS IS A GAME CHANGER HURRY UP WRITE THIS DOWN

[@pilaracevedo2078]

And this is why you shouldn't show studies to idiots

[@gorft4stic]

@@pilaracevedo2078 They’re just joking...

[@christiangirl9478]

Exodus 20 :7"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain"

[@debram.9373]

I think it's interesting how so many comments on this video are representative of the biases supported by these experiments.

[@041882]

+Debra M. A _brilliant_ and ironic observation Debra. :D

[@elainediamond7572]

Good point, Debra.

[@jforozco12]

your position is shit, Debra.

[@041882]

+Jorge Orozco why?

[@jforozco12]

because there are no biases in this experiments, Debra.

[@billygateway98]

watching this for hw, I honestly think theres too many factors on the first experiment. For one, maybe the child wanted to see what was in the box, so he chose the animal that helped the creature open the box over the creature that shut the box.

[@jintzie1950jth]

These conclusions are unwarranted, the grounds for them are too thin. More humility on the part of the researchers is called for.

[@CaptainJess1994]

We're not born to hate. Hatred is taught. However, we are born with the capacity to hate. Just because the baby favors one doll doesn't mean he/she hates the other.

[@ithacacomments4811]

As the mother of 2 grown children, and a former nanny... I can tell you that babies are born with with a deep deep sense of selfcenteredness....the dark side of humanity.

[@yuyulliz]

Well I think that makes sense for babies they are at that age which they are at the most vulnerable and want parents attention and need parents attention all the time. I doubt they do it because they are being mean but rather because it’s in their nature to survive. To them their whole world is themselves and parents and that’s about it, they are too young to start prioritizing others over themselves or “looking out” for others.

[@maredygduygu5243]

It is not necessarily dark, if they can't survive how they can look out for others? They are entirely dependent on caregivers and the outside world in general.

[@christinah.8504]

they have to have a level of narcissism in order to survive.

[@shalinighosh4773]

You should have conducted the same experiment multiple times on the same babies to see if their choice is random or calculated.

[@joggy1357]

80% is clearly not random

[@shalinighosh4773]

There could be some bias of the color of toy's t shirt or the hand in which the researcher is carrying it(baby could choose toy to his right or left always). Just to make sure other factors aren't working on baby's decision same experiment should be conducted multiple times on same baby with different environment every time.

[@mimah1015]

@@shalinighosh4773 Exactly what I thought. Kids sometimes go for the brighter coloured things

[@willowclay3137]

Evil could be mental illness, demonic attachments, and abusive childhoods!

[@erisphiliag]

In the experiment that begins at 10:26, it's not that children become more generous as they grow. What happens is that when they are grown-ups, they know the value of stuff. So, if something has no value, kids are more likely to divide with someone. Put a handful of 100 dolar bills on the table and let's see if the results are the same!

[@Rand0mGirl0]

but As they stated earlier, they said the coins can be traded in for a prize.

[@c.s.70]

Also as they grow older they become more self conscious or more sensitive to the opinion of others or appearing well to others.

[@someone-xc1lj]

@@Rand0mGirl0 ... they could care less about a prize they know it wont be anything thing they want

[@ivytran3865]

i love how they just keep calling them "blobs"

[@booradley32]

Holy confounding variables!

[@stephanmostert7819]

same

[@MF-ty2zn1]

I'm not so sure these tests are actually proving the WHY of the choice made. I was in a room of baby dolls and asked to choose the one I liked. The dolls were different sizes and had different features like some could talk or be fed. I chose the small, plain doll with no special features, because I felt that no one would choose it. I simply felt empathy for that doll.

[@divinechord7]

Honestly i believe that even then at some point you witnessed empathy & was able to comprehend it as a more desirable state

[@yesyes-om1po]

this seems within the margin of error, especially considering its a literal 50/50.

[@sibongilezandilewilliams6717]

Has anyone ever examined why do babies when they see other babies they default to smiling and being really nice to the other baby?

[@rodahboyani7364]

I wanna know how this kids are like 8 years down the line

[@CriticalEnmity]

They didn't mention it but they did the study with multiple different shirt colors and it has been tested multiples of times. I wrote a research paper on it.

[@iamtaya122]

My sister and I cant stop laughing at what most of what their saying😂😂😂

[@sanjanewmoonlife]

God bless them, such innocent soul's. Parent's should protect 100%,and give them love.

[@aseelbakheet5556]

In quran Allah say in nature of human We are created with equal ability for be good and bad But he give us an innate good And a flexibility to what our parents teaches us

[@jeannedebarras3481]

What I have witnessed justifies how we grow-up to be! Nature dictates that it is innate within us, even when we were babies to be self-centered, having to be assured that we get first before anyone else does, especially those whom we don't know personally, or those we are not familiar with. It is quite engaging to know that this only proves our innate behavior can either be still within us as we grow older, or having had the opportunity to be handled by adults who try to correct us before it becomes innate within themselves because they were allowed to continue doing such. It's so amazing how we grow-up to be if not being corrected when we think that this will eventually fade-away naturally. In the end, this is why we really need to be assured that we, as Parents, should be the first and foremost persons who will be observing behaviors and natural tendencies to unfold right before our eyes so we will not deny within ourselves that these things happen for a reason of which should be one of the so many things we should be at the look-out and corrected when they can distinguish what is correct to do from what is not. Being an educator, and proud to say, as being one of the first Teachers of my three wonderful adults now, has given me the greatest gift of fulfillment seeing their changes and development unfold right before my eyes! I will forever be thankful for this gift of parenthood, along with my ever supportive and loving husband, Hans for having to mold and nurture our greatest gift of Parenthood from God to become what they are now, all graduates, having a great time with their individual lives and modesty aside, so proud Parents of our Writer, Artist and Psychologist. So who says its all about nature? In reality, it is both from nature and nurture. Come to thinks of it, it feels so great to have been a part of their growing-up, along with the presence of their ever-supportive Dad! We are so proud of you three. Indeed, God is really good all the time!

[@TheJester-ct5pi]

What does morality entail? What if these babies are unconsciously choosing the puppet they believe will best increase their chances of survival, not necessarily because one is "good" and "evil"? What if morality is devoid of such connotations, but instead consists of a particular set of mannerisms/behaviors? Thus the baby chooses the cooperative puppet, not because it is "good", but because they see said individual as a potential ally, someone to increase their chances of survival, in essence selfish cooperation? Although the baby consciously chooses this puppet, it may be unclear at first why this is the case, because it's due to hardwired biological drives of survival. Thoughts?

[@AO-ij4yd]

I tried this with my baby. So when the mean bear was Bullying the middle puppet, she laughed a lot. But at the end she chose the nice bear every time I showed the 2 bears

[@mimah1015]

Hmm interesting

[@123370]

The bad puppet made a loud noise. The good puppet didn't.

[@sarahwagland1559]

Something that seemed to go right over the "experts" heads.

[@esthermariavargha6610]

Anno my doctor said to me, that "a child has only 2 enemies, his mother and his doctor". Since fifty years I experienced how right she was

[@jillianleda6732]

Thats crazy I remember being a baby. I told my mom a lot like where she stored my carriage, I remember so many things like all the places she put my playpen. Before I could talk I recognized things by shape and color. I related things to events (ex. Bottle shape and the color equals yummy, blue striped stroller equals outside.) I would look at shape and color to know what it did. I was also good. I assumed all of life was wonderful and everyone was my friend. I also believe in an after and before life because why would I assume everyone is nice and life is perfect. I remember the first shock of dealing with a mean girl at the playground and it changed my life forever. I realized I had anger and I hated it but I knew I would need it to survive and it was unfortunate. I then started to hate people and realize they are different from me and the before life I was used to. I was obsessed with my mom and dad too I loved them and was grateful for them.

[@RR-vo8wi]

LOL

[@uiraideszen3223]

So that how your views were!Did you have imagination?

[@David-jy7vh]

Tbh me too. It is crazy how we are built with morality and conscience. We basically know what is good and bad. Like it is mind blowing.

[@moonstonepearl21]

Could the fact that the puppets were different colors and had different shirts have an effect. Everyone has their color preferences. I really like blue, so would I have chosen the blue one simply for that reason? However I heard somewhere that babies are actually colorblind to a certain age, so color differences might not actually b that big of a deal. I also wondered if they switched the sides the puppets were on. That may or may not have made a difference.

[@EdwinLuciano]

+MoonstonePearl21 The answer is yes they switched the side where the puppet was on to account for the possibility that the children just preferred the puppet that was on one side. They also switched the puppet itself and varied the colors and textures of the puppets. Even absurd possibilities such as "Do girls prefer puppets that are red?" and "Do boys prefer puppets on the left?" are accounted for. This experiment has been carried out many times and the results have been peer reviewed in journals by other experts.

[@moonstonepearl21]

Edwin Luciano That's good to hear. It's just a short documentary after all. We can't get every single detail of the experiment.

[@EdwinLuciano]

+MoonstonePearl21 The obvious reason you want to switch the puppets is that you want to make sure that the children really are picking the puppet who they think is "good" but you also want to switch the puppets to find out if children just prefer grabbing objects that are to their left as opposed to their right or vice versa. That's not an uninteresting fact for a psychologist if it were to be shown in an experiment. It would be also interesting to follow up with the children to see if they are left-handed or right-handed and if that makes a difference too. If you're a psychologist and you discover something like that, even something like _girls prefer red puppets_ you want to take credit for it...even if that's not what your experiments were designed to look for in the first place! After all, lots of facts are discovered when people were looking for something else completely.

[@moonstonepearl21]

Edwin Luciano Ya. I know. I've studied psychology. That's all very true. You have to try and account for everything that could possibly make a difference. Also yes, following up on the children's dominant hand would be interesting as well. You are absolutely right about so many things being discovered while looking for something else. Just look at Pavlov's dog. Heck sometimes amazing things are discovered by complete accident when people aren't even trying to find anything.

[@theriffwriter2194]

I'm sure they factored that in and shuffled the colors around accordingly

[@Dreadtheday]

It is not immoral to have the most basic desire to have what we want. When we are surrounded by people who are like us we have thr illusion of trust. We believe that people like us also favor us. If kids are raised to believe that being different is favored... Perhaps the results would change. We cannot eliminate the family bias... the experience of family putting more value and attention on being nice.... Being nice takes many forms depending on what our community favors. We seek the most love and attention and I believe we seek that however it is subtly reinforced.

[@XxHarmonicNightsxX]

The 'prizes' that the tokens could be traded in for were probably junk like erasers, pencils etc. Small prizes like those may excite small children but as kids get older, they lose their luster. I'm thinking this is at least part of the reason why the older kids were less hesitant to give tokens to the other person and didn't care so much about keeping them for themselves.

[@RavenclawFtW3295]

A baby can tell when other people are being friendly or hostile. Now, does the baby know when THEY are the ones who are misbehaving? Is there a way to test for that?

[@candicorpse9670]

I think we read into things a lot deeper than we should. We make meaning where there is none.

[@sarahwagland1559]

Some people are desperate to prove that we are born evil to explain why they hate themselves so much.

[@candicorpse9670]

@@sarahwagland1559 Yes. And to justify any shortcomings they have.

[@aekta888]

One of the best videos I’ve seen on KZbin.

[@AdieBadie]

Even though I partially agree with the conclusions of this experiment (I believe our sense of "morality" is a mixture of our environment and our inner nature and they cannot be excluded from each other), I think that the experiment cannot be relied on 100% due to its execution. What makes us think that such young babies are choosing the puppets based on what they have seen and not based on any other random reason (colour, shape, just because)? Also, the fact that some babies did not do what they were expected to do gives us a hint on how the conclusions are not completely reliable. Anyway, that was interesting to watch and the babies were cute.

[@bizambo100]

The colors/shapes were randomized over the course of the study, that would not explain the trend. Also there is never an experiment which shows 100% "expected" results, that's not how reality works.

[@ginnyweasley8665]

Yes i agree my brother at 4mths adores blue he will choose blue before any other color. He also likes vibrant objects so he would not choose that sickly yellow of the other puppy.

[@maredygduygu5243]

@@bizambo100 They still beg explanation though. That is how competing hypotheses are born.

[@Carlie_flower]

It's not just babies though. They did a similar study with rats where the rats were given the choice between saving another rat and then both getting a treat or just getting a treat. Almost every time if the rat in the cage was similar color to the rats he had met previously and had good experiences with then he'd save the rat first. If the other rat was a new color of rat he'd never seen, he was more likely to just get the treat! So it's not just babies but some animals do this kind of thing too!

[@mimah1015]

Interesting

[@valeronunications4571]

Skinner never said or believed children were a blank slate, this was John Locke...

[@Venus-pd3ml]

Valeron Unications skinner believed that children could be taught anything as long as they are being trained. John Locke and Skinner have similar theories

[@jfamo3552]

Wish you a preference because we're self-interested. It doesn't mean that we're good and some Universal sense. It just means that the calculator is already equipped to figure out what's likely to be in their best interest.

[@bensommer344]

"Anyone who listens to a child’s cry and understands what he hears will know that it harbors dormant psychic forces, terrible forces, different from anything commonly assumed. Profound rage, pain, and lust for destruction." ~Wittgenstein

[@MsValeriaHeart]

🥰😂

[@Grace4ever22]

Tell us more

[@bensommer344]

@@Grace4ever22 Its Wittgenstein - he had brilliant many insights. Aside from that - its evidence for the reality of Original Sin...that kids are born with Concupiscence (as we Catholics call it)

[@angelreneetn]

Isn't it wild how some can look at the absolute purest form of innocence, and see a depraved little monster there?

[@bensommer344]

@@angelreneetn Its wildly brilliant...Wittgenstein saw what most of us just write off as "aww, he's upset how cute". Its rage of the most profound kind that a baby is expressing. Yes - a little monster. Not completely depraved (that'd be Calvinist) - but when he's angry...don't call it "cute". Recognize it for what it is

[@16leviathan]

It might just be fight or flight.. add a little more complexity and it would be danger or not danger.. babies just might be self preserving..

[@TesserId]

Seems a matter of who would you trust, as a matter of survival.

[@src3360]

If morality is innate then the terrors of religion are unnecessary and unneeded 🙏🏻

[@maudeboggins9834]

When you give a child attention and encouragement that is a solid foundation upon which a child turns into an secure adult.

[@mylink.orb17]

Well said

[@azadyadav9319]

I have mixed feeling and Thoughs for this experiment, here many things are missing and the way experiment is held specially the baby part.

[@TheBBear86]

I second the reaction of many, that the claims and assumptions offered in this video, especially by the journalist, seem very unsubstantiated. This is the sort of thing that makes me deeply cynical about journalism and TV. Her first mention of the suggestion that we are little "Devils" was delivered with a pretentious tone. And I actually have never heard the idea of being born with a selfish, lawless nature, described being "little devils". Then she goes on, excited to reach absolute conclusions that even those doing the study are not ready to suggest. I may be too sensitive about such things, but I can't help but see the same sort of suggestive journalism throughout various news and media sources. The study is fine, the rushing to conclusions by the journalist is the problem.

[@bizambo100]

It's designed to be an entertaining presentation, they don't worry about overstating the conclusion

[@greenspiritarts]

Did anyone else notice that it took just over 3 minutes before we saw a baby who was not Caucasian?

[@ghcblj81]

This was a fascinating video. It would be interesting to see more scientific research done in order to test the validity of their views. It seems that we should objectively evaluate the experiment and it's methods before we condemn it or blindly accept it's conclusions.

[@TRIZZLEandPEEZY]

yes, that is a factor, but with biases of 82 and 87% it obviously isn't a deciding factor.

[@anikamackay5664]

it's a truly interesting study...I wonder about the up to 20% that didn't have those biases though. I am a high Enneagram 4 and have shown clear preferences for anyone who looked different from myself or who had skills I didn't have...pretty much since I was at least 4 years old, maybe younger. Which makes me wonder if I would have had a preference for wanting punishment for people similar to myself or not. They might be making some assumptions either way, but truly interesting

[@jimflagg4009]

There was a question put out to people that asked if you could make 100K a year at a job where you made less than all of the other workers or if you could work at a job where you made 80K a year but make more than all of the workers people would go for the 80K a year job. They would intentionally hurt them selves in order to have a better social status.

[@sarahwagland1559]

Interesting but you could see it another way, that social standing is more important to some than money and it would them feel better about themselves. If it meant I would be looked down on everyday I went to work I think I might prefer the lower salary and look forward to going to work.

[@wafflegod6661]

Yea, if they make 100k, but the lowest salary, they still have the stress knowing that they are being paid the least for the same job, making them feel undervalued and possibly fear their job safety

[@berryerdat9225]

Surely you all realize that the display on the show is a dramatization and not an actual portrayal of the study.

[@SuperTonyony]

It's a re-enactment. If it's accurate, then what's the problem?

[@Yourcosmicsoulsister]

Watching this for my college HDFS summer class. Pretty interesting stuff!

[@sarahwagland1559]

You'll learn more reading the comments.

[@emmuoriginals5296]

Gotta follow up with the kids that choose the mean stuffed animals and see where they end up. It is very important that we do so.

[@alexfernandez6621]

...but what did the "peers" have to say during the peer review process?

[@koolmckool7039]

In my opinion we are born bad, but we have a conscience. I don't need to teach any kids around me to be bad, but I need to teach them how to be good. When they know what's right their conscience kicks in. That's my view.

[@ahhwe-any7434]

I have a 1 mth + old. She does mimick me smiling but in my head I wonder if she's putting things together or she just does it bc I do. I know the drs say other things. But then again, ppl develop differently. :/ somexs she does smile at the wrong times. & I think she mainly giggles in her sleep. But other xs I'd like to imagine her intentionally smiling at me. It's like she just wakes up to me all in her face & she smiles. Right now tho., she's a little aggravated & wants my undivided attention. im on the phone, but right beside her. So, she def has emos. 😊 she's all in my phone too watching me type. I know this had nothing to do w/ good or bad but I smile like this at her 😁 when she wakes up w/ my eyes closed & she seems to enjoy that 😊.

[@batoulsawas3790]

Oh, Allah, you are the great creator who created those humans who can choose between Justice and injustice.

[@brickarino6337]

Gotta love philosophy homework

[@blazeangelg]

If you're being doing school work and need the citations: APA citation- Finkelstein, S., & Stahl, L. (2012). 60 minutes. The baby lab. Columbia Broadcasting System. MLA- Finkelstein, Shari, and Lesley Stahl. 60 Minutes. The Baby Lab. Columbia Broadcasting System, 2012.

[@alishiad5695]

Does anyone remember the confounding factors for this study? I remember my research methods class pointed out where this went wrong.

[@Tylorgng.]

How often did they have the "nice" character in the left hand closer to the baby? It could be the babies are more focused on that because they believe the person wants them to have that one rather then the one thats further away.

[@regularsizedwithahat1935]

Babys are born vengeful that's kinda scary

[@lisaratley4858]

Evolution mandates most people cooperate. Necessary for survival of the species.

[@im_calling_you_out]

"These creatures..." Indeed. XDXD

[@trinapellegrino621]

Children avoid bad vibrations. Not that they are prejudice. It is a comfort of vibes. Even when we get older. A person walking into a room can bring bad vibrations with them. And we will naturally avoid them. And we don’t know why. But! Our vibrations are always there. Some people whom are brought up in a chaotic atmosphere. Are l are less likely to pick up on vibrations. For many reasons. There is so much more to this. I have been studying this for a long time. Having children around me for 76 years,

[@elizabethgrey9157]

Yeah... does anyone wonder how different those experiments (especially the one involving older kids) would be if it had kids from, not only families who are interested in participating in Yale research, but other families, the imperfect ones, the ones where the parent figures might have different moral standards than the researchers themselves? Do you think they got kids from drug-addicted families? From poor, educationally disadvantaged families? From extremists families?

[@rosalindmartin4469]

Bad was QUICK and Loud Noise. The adults are present and are giving off unmeasurable energies. But at least it's a start. The men and the sciences which require situations showing observable results appreciate this.

[@renatastec4624]

i wonder if they simply used their right hand to reach for the puppet - well, the "good" one was on his right hand side... yeah... i'll watch another youtube video

[@Henkiwashere]

It makes sense that babies are born, “good” as this clip says, now what is considered good in this example is to share and help others, we are social creatures, and we were social even 130,000 years ago when humans started living in groups. Now this is because when people worked together, it helped them survive, and naturally, humans would want to be around other helpful and sharing people, increasing their chances of survival. With most experiments, there are flaws, such as the babies could perhaps want a puppet over another for the sake of the color of the shirt, perhaps if a puppet was closer or not to them or not. These were my thought/take on the video. Now the implications of overcoming prejudice and bigotry can be pinned down to social factors the child may encounter, like family, friends, or culture. In Psychology, it has been learned that social factors can shape how a person thinks and behaves. Now from the video, we learned that humans right from the start will do what they can to increase survival, such as sharing and showing kindness, due to somewhere in their brain exists the capacity for empathy. Yet when they say a baby is like a blank slate, that is true in a way, depending on how you were raised, you could have morals that weren’t your own and that are someone else’s just impressed onto you, such as a family could be racist against another culture, but the child wasn’t born with inherent racism.

[@roshanrajakrishnan4435]

Or may be they identify and avoid threats.

[@kittycat802]

I was thinkinght same thing , like how dislike crazy femist and see them as threats ...

[@SuperTonyony]

@@kittycat802 What is a "femist"?

[@kittycat802]

@@SuperTonyony it means ugly in Russian

[@Meleny95]

3:52 the conclusion can also be, that they tend towards those who can be of use, those who can help. it doesn't necessarily showcase selflessness - that being good, and being good towards others is

[@Johanna040713]

Human beings are born with a tendency to sin. Humans are also capable of doing morally good things, but those good deeds don't wipe away the evil things! God was born a man in the Son, Christ Jesus, He atoned for our sins on the cross and rose from the dead! Believe in Jesus, follow Him, and you'll be saved.

[@hjge1012]

"Nice" and "mean" has nothing to do with with "good" and "evil". Maybe babies simply like people/puppets who are more facilitating? Besides, how do you even define good/evil. If "good" is everything that has potentially positive consequences for you, then its logical for a baby to prefer that over "evil".