(1558) Review: Lishi SC1, SC4 and KW5 Picks

[@UtubeAdviser]

omg no wonder, i went to home depot and made a copy and when i got home it wasn't working and i never realize until watching this video that my original house key was sc4 and the one i got in home depot made was an sc1. Yes it fit perfectly in the keyhole but it did not unlock the door. I went back to home depot and i got an sc4 key made and wolaaa, it worked perfectly. Knowledge is power! Thanks man! I learned something today.

[@daviddurham2270]

Thank you for going that extra little bit of detail. I have been wondering which one was for what kind of lock and was wondering what the difference between them were. You've been the only one I've found that answered that for me. Thanks again!!!

[@marianofuntime8366]

plz help, how come my sc1 2 in1 doesn't fit in any of my doors. i life in the USA in California. Are the doors different here?

[@Jmyventures]

I’ve learned a ton from Bosnian Bill, so much so that I’ve started up my own local locksmith service - these Lishi tools would make my job 9000x easier. Good stuff sir, keep it up!

[@joshy7759]

Oh God, the rogue assassin started a locksmith company. No one is safe now.

[@RealJonDoe]

Some generic 5 pins will not allow the sc4 going all the way in. This may not allow a good tension or lineup, hence wanting both.

[@baileybahr533]

Thank you so much, I was wondering about that!

[@trailman20]

It didn't go all the way in for him and it still seemed to work just fine ( he even said it didn't go in all the way ) ..idk I don't know much about them ..have your used them and experienced issues?

[@RealJonDoe]

@@trailman20 yes, it greatly depends on where in the lock it binds. Some locks have a stop at the expected end, others end somewhat haphazardly, meaning the lines will not match.

[@randyaivaz3356]

History on How this Tool Came About, For Years, I Wanted To Decode Master Padlocks as They can't be Dissembeled. So in 2013 I Mentioned On Lockpicking101, It Would be Cool if Someone could Make a Tool to Decode not Just Master, But Kwikset and Schlage as Well, and a Company That Could Do this, Would Be Lishi(maker of pick/decoders) for auto Wafer Locks. 6 Years Later, Lishi came out with A Revolutionary new Tool, A "Game Changer" their First 3 Were for Master, Schlage, and Kwikset. Coincidence?. Now They Make for MANY Pin Tumbler Locks. Always Wondered if they saw the Post, And then Made Them? Stratmando is My Username May 26th, 2013 Glad they made as I Still don't have the Means to Make them.

[@steveslocksmith211steveslo8]

Great video the only thing is a lot of Schlage locks are 5 Pin with a 6-pin core a true five pin lock that's won't work in it Bottoms Up prematurely so I would recommend buying the SC1 and the sc4

[@matthewellisor5835]

That extra stack gives me trap ideas.

[@matt6thompson9]

I love these, makes life a lot easier! Great point regarding the purchase of the 6 pin set vice 5.

[@carllewis2207]

Just ordered my KW5 and SC4, Bill has never steered us wrong yet. Thanks!

[@noahway13]

Well, what do you think? Worth it ?

[@carllewis2207]

@@noahway13 absolutely worth it, I use it for decoding more than picking, I can pick faster with something else and decode with these.

[@richardedwards3098]

Hey Bill! I’ve missed your videos! This one happened to come up in my feed…. I fully understand why you don’t do videos anymore. You have my respect Sir. I am the proud owner of 2 lishi tools. I love them! Peace Bill. I hope you and the local (family tribe) are doing well!

[@El_K_Bron_Del_Moycas]

This is quite practical for residential locks

[@agentvx8320]

Bill, if you have a six pin cylinder with only five chambers populated, there's obviously no problem using the SC4 pick/decoder. However, there are Schlage residential grade locks with shorter five pin cylinders (generally knob/levers but the BE365 electronic pushbutton deadbolt also). These will not accept the full length of a six pin SC4 key. In that case you could probably still use the SC4 version of this pick/decoder, but the pin position indicators won't be in the right place when the pick is inserted as far as it will go. (Similarly using an SC4 key with the correct bitting in the last five positions will work, but you have to pull the key out slightly from bottomed out so the pins and cuts line up properly.)

[@mikestrohbusch5434]

apparently, you did not understand how to use the 6 pin version in a 5 pin lock

[@77nizzova53]

@@mikestrohbusch5434 He was absolutely right!!!! The lock in this video accepted the while tool in, but most residential locks the sc4 wouldn't have gone in all the way!!!!

[@oD4rkxW0lfo]

Correct, you just put it in as far as it will go, then work with positions 2-6, treat them as 1-5.

[@miamagana7835]

Oh now I understand how he did it. I was confused how the hell my lishi wouldn't go all in like his

[@miamagana7835]

I was wondering if I could make some sort of spacer that would help lining up the pins so that I don't have to pull it out slightly everytime. It would work right guys?

[@engineer9975]

Thank you for the clear answer on if these work this way!

[@billhenderson731]

I really like these, not just for the ease of use for a locksmith, but you could use these to ‘learn’ the pin binding; and practice SPP later?

[@agentvx8320]

It's not hard to identify binding order in a lock with ordinary picks. This just makes it more obvious to viewers on camera because of the decoder function.

[@paulskeie1469]

They look like a good set. The only statement in the video I have a issue with is that you would only carry the 6 pin versions is I have worked with locks that will accept the SC1 but the SC4 dose not go all the way in.

[@blakkat531]

its the same as using an sc4 blank to make a new sc1 key, the excess is just surplus material the space and depth has not changed.

[@inspectorbaldbeard1211]

THANKS!! You answered the questions I’ve been asking regarding the 6 pin tools in 5 pin locks.

[@mrgadget5023]

If the tailpiece was on the back the sc4 pick wouldn't be able to slide all the way into key way the tip would bottom out at the tailpiece just an fyi. This wouldn't work on a b60n or a f series knob or lever if it was still on a door

[@advantagephc]

You can use the SC4 tool in the 5 pin F series locks. The tool will not insert all the way which presents two problems. One - the spacing will be a little wonky - you have to feel around and adjust. Two - if the tool is not fully inserted, all of the tensioning pressure is place on the thinnest portion of the tool which makes it much more susceptible to bending or breaking. On a lock with no spool pins, your pressure will be much lower. Stress on the tool is higher when you are trying to overcome a difficult spool pin. So, while it is possible, I have purchased both lengths for both myself and my technician.

[@peteo4454]

@@advantagephc thanks! that answer is the best i've seen.

[@jackjones7615]

Bill took your advice and got myself sc4 plus kw5 all's I need now is the locks to go with them I've heard there are some UK & European that might suit, many thanks Robbie from Huyton Liverpool UK

[@roysammons2445]

Great concept for a picking tool. Nicely reviewed Bill.

[@chrisdwalter]

I have been replacing old locksets at my office building with schlage deadbolts from homedepot. these are all coming standard with spool pins

[@ryanclay959]

I am praying that I actually win this giveawy. I have been subscribed to this channel for a while and I have learned a lot about lock picking from this channel. From what I have learned from Bill by watching his lock picking video's I did make my first lock pic and tension wrench out of windshield wiper metal inserts and I got a master lock No.3 and No.1 and I began to use the skills of lock picking I learned from watching Bills channel and I was able to pick open the master lock for the first time 2 nights ago and I posted my very first KZbin video that night and I gave a shout out to Bill on that video it is under my name Ryan Clay here on KZbin and it is the first and only video I have ever posted. I thank you Bill for teaching lock picking sport and your channel for lock picking is my favorite to watch regarding lock picking.

[@bradw0535]

Nice thorough review Bill, great tool for the locksmith! Thank you sir!

[@evensonelectronics9577]

Takes a pile of guessing out of lock opening.. Love these tools.

[@jamesthe-doctor8981]

I saw your first review of the Lishi the other day. It looks like they'll open Kwikset and Schlage locks even for a noob like me without even having to learn how pin and tumbler locks even work. Fortunately, I do, so I'm still entering the giveaway. 😂

[@Jake1973_]

These things take all the skill out of picking. How am I suppose to feel special now?! 😂 That said, I want!

[@JAllen01]

By being rich enough to have a full set

[@safeshowroom]

The tension arm is supposed to sit right in front of the plug. Not only do you gain more control but you can see Mr Li's face.

[@Acknaar]

So after I built my first lock picking set I poped my master 140 about 20 times . Then I picked the quickset locks on my doors and found an issue with standard presentation of picking . After I picked it I could turn the core freely but the door would not unlock . So after further testing I had to make a knife to turn something deep in the core to release it so . IMHO I would ask you pick an active lock to test these issues in real life situation I think its much harder than presented .

[@mikrobspen]

Definitely going to buy the Schlage version for my locksmith business. The "SC4" longer version would work for a six pin cylinder that is coded for either 5 or 6 pins. But I don't see how it would work in residential Schlage five cylinder that do not allow for 6 pins, unless it is shimmed so that the tool is held back .156 of an inch (the spacing between Schlage pin chambers). Should be easy enough to make a DIY shim.

[@agentvx8320]

I doubt it's really that big of a deal if the pin position indicators are off a little because the SC4 pick is inserted all the way to the back of a 5 pin cylinder.

[@mikrobspen]

@@agentvx8320 The tool is in the right position when the shoulder makes contact with the lock. If the longer blade hits the back of the shorter cylinder, then the shoulder can't make contact & the spacing is wrong (same as a trying to use a six pin key in a 5 pin cylinder).

[@marianofuntime8366]

plz help, how come my sc1 2 in1 doesn't fit in any of my doors. i life in the USA in California. Are the doors different here?

[@virginia7125]

My front door is master key capable when the houses in my neighborhood were built. Every 3rd house was master keyed alike. A lot of my neighbors didn't trust this and changed the locks out. I was wondering if all locks, say sargent or yale, use an exact number for the cut depth? My key is old and may can be recut by the depth measurements of each layer. Sargent is 5. Best is 6 on my house. I had a binding car key that worked great on one side. I was able to take the good side and cut a new key that doesn't bind.

[@clubsnapperuk]

lol, i loved this video so much i purchased the lishi sc4 to play with and learn this craft, Big mistake, I'm in the uk and we don't have the Schlag keyway , ive not found a lock yet that this sc4 will fit , hmm,

[@vincentr3339]

Good to know. Let me know if you find out please as I am also interested 😜

[@Mercolix]

What is the difference between the SC4 and KW5?

[@evilcanofdrpepper]

WHAT ABOUT THE CHEAP IN FIELD LISHI KEY COPIER FOR BRASS KEYS? Does it work or does it easily get dull and how hard is it to cut keys wiht it and create something usable?

[@weksauce]

ASKING THE REAL QUESTIONS

[@oneundecided]

Thank you for this video. My SC1 key has a pin spacing of 0.156" and the number 73272 printed on it. I measured the distance from the bottom of the key and on the key starting from the front of the key - first - 0.306", second - 0.23", third - 0.305", fourth - 0.288", fifth - 0.228, first, sixth - 0.328". Looks like I need six (or maybe five ) bottom pins and a few top pins. Can you determine the exact pin sizes from this data? I bought a door with a lock for my new porch and want to redo the lock so that it can be opened with my front door key. I hypothesize that my key has only 5 pins and these pins are 73272. What would be the pin's sizing and diameter corresponding to these numbers 2, 3 & 7? Also, how can I find out if the top pins are the same?

[@richardhaen]

Hi Bill u have been off for a while good to have it back on, I watch locksmith lawyer. This is Richard

[@yassmin-r9n]

Thank you for your helpful vedios,do you think these tolls work on german cars?.

[@jimk6208]

I just noticed that Lishi makes a 2 in 1 for the Master m1 keyway, 4pin. (as if master wasn't already compromised.) Opening has never been a problem, but internally decoding to cut code keys for riveted, laminated padlocks might be worthwhile.

[@RRking-c2w]

i have ASSA lock how do you know what lock decoder that works on your lock

[@TheLockLizard]

I'm thinking about getting these, however my only concern is that if I only buy the 6 pin version, will a tailpiece or cap on a 5 pin cylinder prevent it from working properly?

[@ciderfan823]

I used one to unlock my garage door since it was cheaper than getting a locksmith and gave me something to do. 😂😊

[@carlo1132]

I wish I bought the Sc1, having trouble with a closet door lock, the reason I bought the SC4 is the seller said it replaces the SC1 and no longer stocking SC1. I am new to this tool and was afraid I was going to damage it, the tool goes all the way in to me and seems to be dead on pin 1, so I was picking 2-6 with the SC4 on the 5 pin door knob lock??

[@swgeorgia]

Some 1" Mortise cylinders are not deep enough for a 6 pin keyboard.

[@agentvx8320]

Those are pretty unusual, but many Schlage residential knob or leversets use shorter five pin KIK cylinders.

[@douggwyn9656]

It is conceivable that a 6-pin pick or key in a short 5-pin lock could protrude enough to interfere with the inner workings, or to prevent the pick's shoulder from getting into the engaged position. So it might be useful to put both lengths into your tool kit.

[@agentvx8320]

@@douggwyn9656 It's not actually important for the shoulder to touch the face of the lock though? Unless we're talking about ordinary keys and end users who don't understand how locks work. (This is precisely why Schlage does it in the first place; to dissuade commercial customers from using consumer grade locks in a building master key system.)

[@tomking3942]

I use a 6 pin primus key in my 5 pin f51 entry lock. It’s pinned to the last 6 pins positions. The pick could do the same. I would think the other key ways Schlage has would be more of an issue. We’re the c123 keyway pick?

[@agentvx8320]

@@tomking3942 I would think it would be very difficult if not impossible to make one of these for C123, since they're so thin at the bottom of the key.

[@allenang9541]

I been clicking on the registration... I never got picked for free items. I really would love these lishi tools.

[@Fredengle]

so are you telling me if I need a lockpicking keys you would go with sc4 kw5 only as probably the ones that will most likely cover most applications? thank you

[@johncage3025]

These are absolutely amazing

[@jerryy7650]

Very helpful review! Which type of lock pick works for Best lock?

[@miamagana7835]

I was wondering if I could make some sort of spacer that would help lining up the pins so that I don't have to pull it out slightly everytime. It would work right guys?

[@jackjones7615]

Hey Bill will kw5-sc4 fit s keyways? Which we have in the UK. Many thanks Robbie from Huyton Liverpool UK

[@nrowlett]

Huzzah I'll have to add these to the go-bag one of these days!

[@januslabreviews2921]

Can you use Lishi SC4 or KW5 for Yale locks? or each one is for different locks?

[@Alhamdulillah1446-Tauhid1]

Now will this work on my lock to my tool box

[@samxu1467]

Hi Bosnianbill, Can you try out your KW1 or KW5 with Weiser lock (WR5) . I am in canada and lots of Weiser here

[@KirkAtamian]

What do you recommend for commercial locks just those two or any more. I am a commercial real estate agent and this save lot of times on missing keys

[@GAFO777]

So are there Lishis for European Locks like BKS ?

[@memememe5755]

Looks like a cool Tool, but what’s if your pins aren’t up. What’s if the pins are down

[@nurkurzda2334]

does it also work with European locks?

[@etozhiznj]

Which off them are most common to work on different locks?

[@JS-fb6ww]

Which one of these do I need to buy in order to pick a falcon lock core?

[@jordangreenwood8124]

Hi will these lishi decoders work on uk? And if so what one would you get besides the master lock one

[@kiltedthistle]

Great review Bill. Cheers 🍻

[@LEGN0ME1]

Just to let people know the 6 pin one doesn't always go into the 5 pin key way. It can be stopped by the "nut" on the core.

[@peteo4454]

how often would you say, i'm on the fence on which one to get?

[@bobfoster5917]

Hi I have the sc1 and not come across any British locks it fits I mostly work on British euro locks do you know what lishi I need to fit them some 6pin and some are 5 pin thanks bob

[@ramonhernandez5218]

Amigo en donde compraste la ganzua lishi .donde me recomiendas comprarla gracias por tu atención

[@Westhelockpicker]

I was gonna ask you about that bill. I just bought the 6 pin versions and could open the 5 or 6 pin with them

[@pdxlockpicker7796]

The kwikset 660(idk if there's a cheaper one, but it was the cheapest one I bought at Home Depot) but that actually had 2 spools in it.

[@mrgadget5023]

The newer kwiksets coming out have security pins in it and the f series schlage has 4 spools with one standard top pin

[@JoeHamelin]

How well do these work on the Kwikset Smartkey locks?

[@51-FS]

Probably not good at all seinc this one is not for kwikset

[@jamesthe-doctor8981]

I'm looking forward to the answer to this one too, since the Smartkey locks have wafers instead of pins. I know the early ones are pretty easy to pick by raking vs SPP, but I don't know what changes they've made since then.

[@JoeHamelin]

@@jamesthe-doctor8981 Bill said the last one he broke open had a squared off side bar. He couldn't pick it except by pure luck and time with a rake.

[@jamesthe-doctor8981]

Joe Hamelin thank you.

[@ahmedabdallamohmed3474]

Please, I want you to tell me about the most important tools, Mr lishi, suitable for locks and qualin in Egypt, and I also want you to tell me about its model numbers

[@rodmaclennan3437]

Which lithium would be the best one to open euro cylinder.. thnx

[@georgeeads8689]

I still come across 5 pin cylinders in Schlage and Kwikset. The SC4 will not go all the way in. That is when you need the Lishi SC1. Like wise for Kwikset.

[@agentvx8320]

Do you really need the SC1 pick though? I'm pretty sure you could still use the SC4 version and just live with the pin position indicators being a little off.

[@JOSEPHJRTORCHIA]

What are the differences between the SC4 and KW5 ?

[@BasaysayTv]

Which 1 can be used for padlocks and doorknob?

[@trevorphilips9859]

Which lishi is for padlocks, smaller keys ?

[@matth408]

Do any of these work on Euro cylinders?

[@leemarshall9501]

great vid many thanks

[@robertwright3373]

These look like they would be really nice. They are expensive though.

[@NEBoddy]

Except the 6 pin key doesn't fit completely in all 5 pin locks. Does the pick also work in those?

[@juancasanova2449]

Great explanation 👌 👍

[@C_S_funhouse]

#Bosnianbill what do you use to hold your camera or phone in front of you like that?

[@danielkent6895]

Will these work in other locks that aren’t shlage? Like Abus or Lockwood?

[@pyratemage]

Great review and tips and Awesome giveaway!

[@KeylessEntry]

Does the 5 and 6 key variants decode the bitting the same way, I'm having trouble figuring out the geometry and angles required for that?

[@miamagana7835]

Mine doesn't go all in but I can set pin 5 with the location 6 on the lishi. So it's just the opposite from u ignoring the 6th pin and I for some reason ignore pin 1. Why Is it the 1st pin location for me and it's the 6th pin location for you if its the same tool?

[@RepunzelDamnation]

Would this also work on a garage door

[@capdeoie]

send me the link too, where I can get this sc4 key, please, is it for Europe?

[@frankbiz]

Great tools. Great video. 👍🏻

[@GAMESTERVISION]

Just ordered a sc3 and kw5. Will I need a sc1 or kw1?

[@JRJUNIOR215]

Which one is good for cars

[@antonios4926]

Would these work on Euro locks?

[@repertorium2008]

I am looking for the european version for this tool

[@oklamusiq9743]

Can the Sc1 lishi be used to pick Yale 110 /30 padlock

[@ricaflorin2]

I got on the website to order a tool but I cannot find nothing for European locks. Any advice? I will use it for hobby, but witch one to buy it??

[@jorgeleiton7517]

I bought a sc1 lishy But I live in Denmark and the design Is wrong I can see the keys here are in a opposite direction. They are different sc1 ;;?

[@redouan2694]

i have a question which one can i use for european locks to be more specific dutch

[@jeffjefferson2676]

So these Lishi tools are the final solution to locks? Greetings, Jeff

[@oodamnagain]

I don't understand, what is the difference between the school and kw5?

[@lostforevermore7150]

Love the new intro

[@AThreeDogNight]

Some very nice tips Bill. Really nice giveaway also.

[@matthewwkwon]

These will not break the lock right?

[@Lonewolve1988]

Love this channel

[@marianofuntime8366]

plz help, how come my sc1 2 in1 doesn't fit in any of my doors. i life in the USA in California. Are the doors different here?

[@rareessence175]

What’s the difference between the SC4 and the KW5?

[@Rocketlockopener]

What about using the AM5 for both the AM3 and AM5 additionally wouldn't it be cool to have a one made sfic to pick and decode what a time saver.

[@advantagephc]

I just got my American tool the other day and so far it has fit into every cylinder that I have tried. I had a lock that is four pin. The cylinder it's the same length, they just use four of the six holes. Great tool for these locks. You can easily identify if you are in a seration or at the sheer line. I had one very difficult lock with multiple spools that took me several attempts but got it open, decoded, and cut keys.

[@Rocketlockopener]

@@advantagephc thanks for the feedback

[@Alx-SG]

greetings sir. would you happen to know if Lishi does a tool for Yale keyway or any other european lock? i was trying to look for one but there is so many and almost all of them is for car locks. many thanks.

[@virginia7125]

Speaking of car locks, I haven't had much luck. I've used slim jims in the past. Welding wire will work if there's a small window crack. A lot of times, I have to use the air bladder. That's what I was trained on.

[@smeado3533]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@Shadownter]

How do these function when used on the quickset smartkey system?