(1734) Review: Urban Alps Stealth Padlock (AWESOME!)

[@hzmeister9596]

Sharing what's inside is worth waaaaay more than $166. You should have just put a different good core in it and sacrificed this one. The giveaway winner would have been more than happy regardless. KZbin videos will be up forever and you disappointed every person who will ever watch this over a few dollars.

[@bosnianbill]

Well, to ME $166 is a lot of money. Since each video earns me less than $20 (does EVERYONE use adblockers?....Yes!), the math just didn't work out in my favor. Tell you what though, since you place the knowledge value at "waaaay more than $166", why don't you send one of those locks to me and I'll gut it for everyone to see. We all REALLY appreciate your generosity and willingness to share information with all of us in LockSport! Your offer is incredibly generous and I'll be sure to credit you with the donation in the gutting video too. Please send the lock to: LockLab, P.O. Box 1620, Merrifield, VA 22116. Thank you in advance and I'll be checking the PO box every couple of days.

[@timothym5678]

Not sure why people would be disappointed. I like watching them to see how secure locks are. This one is a win in my book, don't need to see all of it. It shows that it won't be picked anytime soon with current methods.

[@steveoo410]

Says the guy who didn't buy the lock

[@prwtc]

Stealth key cut-away limited edition, have some internals visible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5zTeJaVjNKCac0

[@ObliteAbyss]

At that point it's not a stealth key lock though. It's an asa/abus/whatever lock in an anchor las body.

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

A lock that Bosnian Bill can't open - yet. How long does it spend in the naughty bucket? Tune in next time on As the Tumbler Turns to find out.

[@SuperAWaC]

it was defeated almost a year ago now. it's old news and not difficult to pick with the right tensioner

[@pubghacker6753]

SuperAWaC Who did it ?

[@RWBHere]

It will not be put into his Naughty Bucket. It's the weekend giveaway, as he makes clear in the video.

[@twjohnson1203]

"I don't know what else to do guys..." Urban Alp lock smiles even bigger.

[@MrDLRu]

Some guy already has picked one 8 months ago. He didn't have much of a problem with it. But, it has to be picked 3 times. 2 sides, 1 side, 1 side. When will lock makers figure out...If the pins can be tensioned, the lock can most likely be picked.

[@donovandecoster2150]

@@MrDLRu dont be afraid drop the link

[@oozi]

Just cut it... lol

[@SyphistPrime]

@@MrDLRu I don't think it's meant to be unpickable. I think it's meant to be extremely difficult. The main point of this core is that you can't just snap a picture of the key and make a copy.

[@tomherron4334]

It’s not often that a lock earns an “ awesome”. Great job Stealth on developing a better lock.

[@Machinist-wf1iw]

Look up ..Bosnian bill John coulters weirdest lock on earth... it’s awesome

[@oozi]

it can still be cut.

[@pyratemage]

I saw advertisements for this brand quite a while ago and almost bought a cylinder or two. Really appreciate the review! Thanks, Bill.

[@saoirse278]

@ZaC kWinz You can get early access via Patreon.

[@alexo.4462]

Thank you Bosnian bill, very very proud to see our system in your channel. Best regards, Alejandro

[@panykfelidae9018]

That 3d printing technique is used by a company in Canada to make intricate parts for HIGH PRESSURE ALUMINUM CASTING at extreme temperatures. That key will probably be alright.

[@EgorKaskader]

To be fair, even plastic FDM can be made a lot more durable than people assume. 4 perimeters with a 0.4mm nozzle +40% gyroid won me a bet when a 3 kg hammer failed to destroy or even noticeably damage a printed stepladder leg tip.

[@TerryLawrence001]

@@EgorKaskader An ABS print soaked in acetone vapor to fuse the layers is very strong

[@brolohalflemming7042]

Looks like sintered metal printing, which is really awesome! I was lucky enough tto get a pit tour with an F1 team, and they used 3D printing to make replacement parts for their cars.. And it immediatly trigged my 'I want one!' response.. Until they told me the cost, which was a LOT of $$$. I still have a plan to set up a machinist training facility with this kind of printing to make parts for people.

[@carlclouseriii8519]

Rocket lab uses 3d printing to make their rocket engines. I know those keys will be fine

[@iain3713]

Cly Blue was about to mention that. Rip pics or it didn’t happen

[@NorthernCad]

I wonder if Lockpicking lawyer could have a look at it

[@percym1988]

He only reviews locks he can pick

[@pawpatrolnews]

🤣 True!!

[@aragonnetje]

@@percym1988 And bowley locks

[@BestKiteboardingOfficial]

That's because he can pick anything but the bowey lock

[@ericdrudge3760]

totally but after the ramset test

[@mcmaddie]

I think this is actuall Swiss firm. At least headquaters is there and there is branch in Czech Republic. And the lock itself is 'logically' made in Sweden. ;)

[@czeDarkLight]

It looks like a Swiss firm all the way through, but, names of people behind the company in About Us on their websites are mostly Czech. Definitely interesting business cooperation on such a niche market as high security locks are.

[@bobobo1618]

Jiří Komoň it's really weird. One of the founders is Swiss, born and bred, while the other is Spanish but studied in Switzerland. There's also a Swiss, Regula Buob who isn't mentioned on the about us page but is listed as the president of the board of directors. It looks like maybe a couple of guys in Switzerland had an idea and got a bunch of Czech folks to develop and sell it?

[@TWFydGlu]

It's common for security companies to incorporate in Switzerland for warrant proofing.

[@johndododoe1411]

It's a standard lock body from Sweden, engraved with the Urban Alps brand. That lock body accepts any Scandinavian style door cylinder, so Urban Alps bought some empty padlocks and installed their own door cylinders before selling the combined product as their own

[@lon1117]

It's not too surprising. Many, even small, companies work across borders in Europe and although Switzerland isn't in the EU it has multiple agreements that allow very easy cross border working.

[@BlackOrt]

Now that they are 3D Printing actual rocket engines I feel toughness is not automatically void for printed parts. I expect things will all the faster get both weird and innovative for locks in the next few years.

[@MrV1NC3N7V3G4]

As well as ship propellers for massive ships and all maintenance parts using fused filament fabrication - basically a mig welder attached to a CNC machine.

[@kidthorazine]

Yeah "3d printing" with metal is a completely different process that what we normally look at as 3D printing, and TBH they should come up with a better term for it.

[@Martink9191]

@@kidthorazine 3d welding maybe?

[@kylek29]

@@kidthorazine The correct term for one method is DMLS, Direct Metal Laser Sintering. It's a fine metal powder that is spread, lasered, and then repeated layer by layer. It's been tested to be as strong as similar casted/forged parts with the advantage of having very complex shapes for weight saving (Koenigsberg gives some credit for their 1:1 power/weight ratio to the tech). If I had to guess, these keys are done using that method.

[@jamesfair9751]

kylek29 that’s Koenigsegg

[@AdrianWeber]

Hey bill, so you got one yourself and I am glad you did! Too bad you couldn't pick it but that is what expected of a high security lock such as this one. Thanks also for mentioning me :) I will try to get my hands on a cutaway to make a more detailed review of how the locks works. Your friend, Adrian

[@curtcoleman]

Wow....I love how strong the key is! I was one of the ones who thought 3D printed keys couldnt be that strong. Thanks for showing us how the key took that damage. Send this guy straight to the naughty bucket. First lock of this type I've seen.

[@thedude808]

Well Bill, after watching these videos forever and debating getting into the hobby, I've decided to finally order a quality set. I've got myself a Sparrows Night School + tuxedo edition. Can't wait to try picking for myself. Thanks so much for making these videos, it's great entertainment and I am sure you are helping people discover a hobby they never would have thought of.

[@bikkies]

Bill has stepped back but I hope your hobby is going well & that you're enjoying your locks. You made some good choices and I hope they're bringing you pleasure. Stay well.

[@yanickch]

If a win the lock, please keep it and destroy it to show its inside. For the joy of everyone...

[@bigshrimpn]

There is a cutaway video of this lock on KZbin if you do a quick search.

[@andis4719]

@Albert Rieder kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWO8k2OViqqHiac

[@alevxzx]

What a gorgeous lock! Only bad thing is that dirt and crud will easily get stuck inside the key.

[@dawolf7784]

What a beautiful lock, thanks for showing this new stuff to us Bill

[@sportsfan205]

All I have is my garden shed and that lock weighs more than the door.

[@ThePaPappy]

I didn't see that lock on their site. Locks went from $145 to $872. Wish I had something worth that to pad lock ! 😀🔏

[@vikingcove]

Very cool & fascinating. Your enthusiasm rocks!

[@clintonbeckway4171]

Since I have been watching Bosnianbill, he has opened every lock, this must be a first !!!

[@grumpygus81]

I just saw Starrylock post a video of his a few days ago and couldn't make out the bitting at all, thanks for trashing one of the keys to show us. Looks like a hell of a lock, I'd love to win it 😃👍

[@GameTimeWhy]

Can't wait to see this added to lock picking lawyers naughty list.

[@XavierSonOv]

I’ve never seen a lock quite like this one. A truly fascinating piece.

[@mstriker3656]

Very cool lock Bill. I am impressed that you would completely Muller a key to see whats under the hood. As soon as you said Dremel I thought,oh, he's going to grind away the name side. Nope. I was wrong. Lol Cheers for the videos, really enjoy them !

[@ericday604]

That is a beautiful chunk of metal Bill!!

[@B0B0LlN00]

Ive 3d printed a 70cc cylinder for my scooter, also all kinds of bushings and spacers, new set of rims and rear shock absorber adaptors - nothing broken after 1 and a half years of usage....

[@iggymac3473]

WoW great looking lock will look nice in my collection thanks Bill

[@katiedonovanAlt]

I really like your work here. We learn a lesson from gimmick locks like this. Namely that they all rely on obscurity for their security. The Bowley is tragically vuln, as is the "Forever" lock, and all the various "pick-proof" and "bump-proof" locks we've seen come out over the years. I call them, "Smaug Locks." Because once you find the bare patch in the armor--and there ALWAYS is one--the dragon falls...a-la XPUZMAG.....

[@alger8181]

What a lock! As much as i want to see all the insides of every lock, if you have to destroy it in order to make me happy, just don't . It's a beautiful lock, and i'll figure out how to pick one like it, eventually.

[@MrV1NC3N7V3G4]

If I win it, you can bust it open lol!

[@DownOnTheRangeFL]

They have some cutaway photos on their website.

[@francoisdastardly4405]

@Albert Rieder Google.

[@davidcovington901]

Albert Rieder I can't get a URL but go to Urban Alps, click on Padlocks, and right under the 4th padlock picture is "Technical Brochure" which link will let you download a pdf. This has good diagrams of the guts.

[@kylek29]

www.urbanalps.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Urban-Alps_brochure_EN_2020.pdf

[@PorchPotatoMike]

kylek29 Thank you!

[@davidmartensson273]

@@kylek29 Looking at the cutaway you can see why it is so hard to get, due to the key design, the leeway you have to get a pick through the low pins it just over 1-1½ mm. That is not giving you much maneuver room.

[@jamiechampion299]

Good luck to you in the future Bill!

[@miniwaern]

Nice 2 see that Ankhor is stepping up their game, too!

[@mfletch392]

Nice good lock; it looks like the way forward with 3D printing

[@Zork13]

right from stealth key 2 blocking bars controlled by 14 rotating and spring-loaded steel discs. The Stealth Key superalloy makes the key almost indestructible; the key withstands temperatures over 2000°C

[@JackpineGandy]

The tensioning tool ordinarily rotates the lock innards, but the way you were using it in this video it could not possibly rotate the innards, it was only attempting to push the core off its axis, which of course it could not. Maybe a custom spanner like a fork that would fit in the two slots would be able to apply the rotational torque needed...but then the darn slots are obscured for your picks. Maybe a tapered cone that would fit in the gap, and a lever to rotate the cone might be able to rotationally tension the innards. My own ignorance is wide-ranging and deep, and I really like your videos. Thank you for them.

[@Ace12GA]

I have a theory Bill. The pins engaged by the bitting on the key slide on an arc, essentially rotating. They are cammed surfaces, which are engaging pins in the central bar they are rotating in to.Those cammed sliders are pushed into specific orientations to move the actual pins to the correct orientation. Sort of like the cammed sliders are key bitting themselves on the pins. Basically double bitting, on the key itself, and then the cammed surfaces of those sliders engaged by the key bitting, to become bitting on the actual tumbler pins, which are actually located axially in the centre of the tumbler. Maybe double pinned? However you want to say it. Such an arrangement would give very little feedback if manufactured to the tolerances needed for everything to move so smoothly. That's a guess based more on my training in mechanical engineering than anything lock related. I'm rubbish at locks. Understand the mechanics, but lack the feel to pick them.

[@bradw0535]

Nice looking lock, and very interesting concept! Thanks Bill!

[@quillometer]

How nice that there is finally a somewhat affordable, mostly unpickable lock!

[@sethward6960]

Awesome lock, great vid Bill

[@ibkickinit5580]

Wow, very impressive design for the simplicity

[@philipnewby6343]

another great lock video. there is a video of a cutaway showing how it works and says 14 disks and 2 sidebars.

[@casperswift]

Beautiful lock absolutely cool key...

[@Tjita1]

They 3D-print hydraulic valve assemblies that handle hundreds of bars (thousands of PSI) of pressure at high temperatures. We had a guy in the shop (I build furnaces) that wanted to test one of our furnaces for annealing 3D-printed Inconel, and from my point of view the test part looked perfectly fine after having sat at 700C all night.

[@Dodge0359A]

Love what you do, man! Great videos, and this is one heck of a lock!

[@digger105337]

WoW! This is one of the very few times I've seen you review a lock and not find a flaw in the design. I'm thinking the shank looks cutable ,unless its Unobtainium ! 😉

[@MNDashcam]

Possibly a sidebar style so the tensioning is not really an option.

[@Baughbe]

Finally, a lock to secure all my toilet paper. If I had any.....

[@redeux]

excellent video, thanks for sharing!

[@TesserId]

Short Answer: Not sliders, but disks operated from the outside, like a crank, but otherwise the same as a disk detainer with a sidebar. False gates are definitely present. I had to read through a bunch of comments to find all the videos that show this, the best being from Hobby Picker, kzbin.info/www/bejne/anioe2eZjbeUlbs, IMHO. But, feel free to dig through the comments as I did.

[@urbansnipe]

i would hazard a guess and say there is a spring loaded mechanism near the back of the lock that prevents the core turning without a key fully inserted. apply slight tension and put a pick to the back of the keyway and press if you get slight rotation on the core yeh thats it but may need some pins to be set for that to happen maybe grow a third hand :D

[@pappaflammyboi5799]

I wonder if there's a cheaper way than 3D metal printing the key. Since losing it would be difficult and expensive to replace.

[@Anderson_808]

I imagine that's what the serial number and code on the plastic card is for to order spare keys, but I get what you're saying you can't go down to the local hardware store and have one cut. I'd like to see someone attempt a mould casting of the key but I'd imagine the tolerances would be difficult to get just right to make it work.

[@angelaabrams9108]

@@Anderson_808 you'd most likely have to cast it in silicon directly and use a decent strength resin in order to extract the finished product. With no guarantees extracting the original key won't ruin the bitting

[@hihu7200]

It looks like it is time for a new tensioner tool. Cool.

[@theconqueringenigma]

Wow, a lock that actually works... crazy.

[@xXYannuschXx]

To the people thinking that metal 3D printing isn't strong enough: Koenigsegg print their turbocharger cases with a metal 3D printer and Rocket Lab even prints a figgin ROCKET ENGINE!

[@nivracer]

And Porsche is 3D Printing pistons

[@htomerif]

I'm sure you thought of it but I think some Schlage locks had a button basically at the end of travel for the key that made it so the core didn't do anything if it wasn't pressed. Could be why you can't get any binding.

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

Are you speaking of the check pin that holds IC in place?

[@DiustheZ]

I wonder if they 3D printed the whole core, I know that you can 3D print with many materials some with multiple heads to print with different materials at the same time, you could print the lock body with the key inside it and use a water soluble material in between to have perfect alignment and tolerances and the water soluble material around all the moving pieces too.

[@nrowlett]

When I first saw these; my immediate response was, "Those are going to be expensive". I'd like to know if these will catch on, and how long they'll actually stick around...

[@OLLE3770]

Checked Urban Alps web-site. They sell cutaway locks. Mega-expensive. (They actually also recommend to "lube" moving parts of a pad lock with WD40!? ) BTW, that Anchor lock body isn't cheap, isn't cheap at all. The cylinder and lock combination actually has an attractive price-point in my humble opinion. The same body with an ASSA SCD pin-tumbler (I have a couple of those combinations) costs about the same.

[@dbrandon4528]

That’s a great lock design!!

[@dernils6176]

If you buy this lock, you'll sacrife security against opening attempts by force for being basically lockpicking proof (even if Bosnian Bil or some other high skilled lock picker finds a way, a regular thief won't know about it). That might be interesting for lock enthusiast but I don't think it makes much sense for actual use as breaking by force is far more common. You'll get a padlock with a thicker shackle and shackle guard (and an average lock) for the same price.

[@Blutzen]

This lock is so neat!

[@johnknightiii1351]

What an awesome lock!

[@BeastMan617]

Morning, Bill. There's another video here on youtube where around the 5-minute mark a "cut away" is featured/shown of the key and lock. "(eng) urban alps stealth key 3d hands on".

[@leinadreign3510]

Woa, this Lock really looks interesting! Good timing, since my cellar door lock got destroyed and wants to get replaced : D

[@Agateophobiadragon]

If not for that price tag, I'd love to outfit my house with something like this

[@adamfarmiloe]

I think we need the ock picking lawyer to have a go at this one

[@BoukeNL]

I like to see that also

[@strongboy54]

@@MrDLRu Video is set to private :(

[@Whutthefok]

This is also what i want to see that he has a go at it

[@darkmann12]

Wow! Absolutely crazy

[@peytonnorris7244]

Holy cow... I just watched a few reviews from the company. Very impressive

[@navycorpsman9291]

Please point out where....thanks!

[@DonzLockz]

Awesome lock, key design and manufacture. It will cost more than what you're protecting though!. Lol

[@Blitzbogen]

Isn't the key manufactured and made in Switzerland zurich? The company urban alps is also located there

[@borderlessniko]

really impressive lock!!

[@Shawn_the_Protogen]

Wish the shackle was hex or square boron steel, I would totally buy one to use as a motorcycle lock along with a hex link chain.

[@curthatt6461]

There is a cutaway video on line. Very cool set up

[@saltyp7573]

What a AWESOME lock!!

[@evanchapmanfanman]

I suspect this has a reverse sidebar similar to the old gm locks, which would explain the fact that none of the sliders retract, the ball bearing would only center the core for easy removal of the key due to precise tolerances.

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

Great lock Mr.Bill

[@parapicktog7734]

I really like your locklab Intro. The 3D logo and bright colors are pretty cool. Must have taken a bit of effort and time to make that. Almost forgot... HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!

[@abbakagep]

thats such a cool key :) love it :)

[@volvo09]

What a cool design!

[@MADMAX353]

Holy Smokes....nice padlock!

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Looking good Bill its an interesting lock, maybe you could take it to a local vets and get an x-ray done.

[@dienand_]

Very cool looking lock

[@Kojacked0x]

Crazy cool lock!

[@MrJools70]

Awesome looking lock

[@daveb6722]

Does the key interact with something deep in the lock to release the core?

[@novo1178]

Wow to stealthy for bill, if I win I will let you do what you want with the lock! After I try to pick it of course ;) LOL

[@mal13able]

What a monster keyway and bidding,no tool will work on it,first time you could not get an open,scary to think all my tools are for nothing,someone figure it out please,cheers Mal in BC

[@mrthomas7511]

That's really neat!

[@zbm-2375]

Plastic 3d printing would be iffy, but possible to design around. Metal 3d printing is absolutely strong enough. It's sintered metal, and it's no weaker than any other metal manufacturing process so long as proper care is taken in design.

[@thetwitch6667]

sounds like Bowley have competition now :)

[@maxgarascia]

Bill have you tried picking both sides at once like Leonardo da Vinci used to write with both hands at once! I guess you'd need someone to help tension ...maybe you and LPL could team up on that one!

[@RWBHere]

*Thanks Bill. Is there a pin or bar which needs pushing by the end of the key, before you can pick the lock?*

[@RWBHere]

Well, the answer is 'No.'. This video shows the mechanism: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anioe2eZjbeUlbs

[@gjdunga]

What a Interesting Lock!!

[@danielwinkler9722]

Bill, here you can Look in the inside by an gutted Zylinder of the stealth key by Urbanalps...!

[@geofferydrumheller4529]

It appears that the Urban Alps Stealth Padlock uses a similar idea of hiding locking pins from the lock pick as with the Bowley Lock. I think this is a smart idea of keeping the lock picker getting to the locking pins, thus preventing the lock from being picked. Hopefully, this is the wave of the future for lock development.

[@nickheidke]

Would Gallium work on the lock body on this?

[@kissmya325]

What is a nice pick proof deadbolt lock for a house an where can I buy them ?

[@elamonty]

I wish whoever won that lock would send it back to him tell him to cut it open. Lol Awesome video. :-) thanks for making it

[@SchaelTeer]

have you talked to the lockpicking lawyer? "unpickable" is exactly his thing...

[@waltermh111]

yeah, he seems to be one of the tops these days. He is fun to watch also. I would love to see his thoughts and tries on this one.

[@jdhtyler]

? does the key bottom out and then allow you to tension, just using a tension tool might not allow the core to turn - just guessing.