(1292) Review: MTB Bike Lock Analyzed (JUNK!)

[@glenngibbons2661]

I've been watching for some time , and I love it. I've opened and repaired and rekeyed so many locks thanks to you. At a local hardware store I showed an assistant that there masterlock display had weaknesses (he was amazed) I love your work , and when I can I will donate because it's worth it

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Great video with a couple of LOL moments. I’m constantly amazed at how poorly some of these locks are built.

[@dezeekat]

You really should try picking it!!

[@Mtbvideos768]

LockPickingLawyer cool

[@DeezNuts-]

He humiliated that poor lock

[@vondahe]

It’s made in China for a Chinese company to sell on eBay. Doesn’t get worse than that.

[@bikelockwiki]

Thanks for all the great content over the years, can watch these videos over and over. Wishing you well!

[@bird718]

i have never seen anything get sawed that fast as that link,

[@ChristopherJones-ce6il]

i am so glad that you no your locks i am new to it but you help so much for my

[@originalmianos]

A lot of laughs today. That hacksaw went through so quickly I laughed out really loud.

[@comp9addict]

I always like bike lock reviews, i use my bike a lot, usually i try not to use it if i have to leave it somewhere, but you never know so i'm planning on getting one just in case, so this videos are really helpful. As always thanks for the awesome content.

[@johnl2876]

A contractor once told me: "don't force it...get a bigger hammer" Great video Bill, as always! Keep up the great work!

[@VampireKittyKitty]

I just started to watch you and im addicted! I enjoy the detail you put in each video.

[@bosnianbill]

Thank you! Please subscribe so you don't miss anything. 😋

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

I have a set of those rockwell files, and I have been messing around with them for about a year, testing them against metals with a known hardness. Yes, they really do work, but they have a few issues. One of the most interesting is that chrome plated parts test initially very hard. Stainless can be surface hard from work hardening. Lots of other little anomalies, but if you can get to the root metal, they are pretty good. that socket would be a good test, because the outside is much harder than the inside... drop forged and all. Fun review, thanks.

[@Miller-Militia83]

Bill, thank you for reviewing this lock as I was looking at this for a new lock. Also I love the sign on your wall regarding safety.

[@smilingwolf1980]

I was going to buy something similar to this on Monday...glad I waited.

[@bosnianbill]

Happy to save you a few bucks!

[@SweetChuckPi]

Love the workplace safety sign!

[@braindeadtiger]

Nothing like watching one of Bills videos and practicing picking skills

[@buildersmark]

Anyone notice the safety sign. I had to laugh.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Builder's Mark Me too. I need one of them!

[@MrJgstoner]

My first thought was "OH GOD WHO WILL PROTECT THE FEMINISTS"

[@fv7594]

Where is it at

[@skysurferuk]

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[@jonikinnunen2124]

Thank you for all the great content! Wishing you all the best!

[@BD90..]

Excellent video Bill, love these types of videos.

[@Ikeduro]

Yet another stellar review! I just love watching you attack those crappy locks!

[@peregrine1970]

Rockwell hardness go in to negative numbers?

[@EndingTimes0]

it's a feature, you can open it ten different ways!

[@dsloop3907]

@ 11:39, where did all the HYDRAULIC pressure come from? All I saw was a bolt cutter that might have compound jaws.

[@bosnianbill]

My bad, it slipped out. Can you BELIEVE it? First mistake I've made in several years... or at least several minutes. They are normal, compound lever bolt cutters, no hydraulics involved.

[@uzaiyaro]

Ok, Ive been talking with you about getting into lockpicking, Bill. Wanna know why think I'd love it? Because it's a discipline where destroying something is a perfect valid analysis of it.

[@DonzLockz]

Bill used the force... lot's of force. Nice master key! 😁👍🏽

[@judgehastheword9069]

That is why i like to live where i do in Mo. out in the country . And big garage to put thing in. Love the videos.

[@THR33STEP]

The hacksaw worked incredibly fast!!

[@bosnianbill]

Yeah, I was amazed too!

[@PeregrineBF]

Possibly case-hardened only. Cheaper than using a through-hardening steel & process.

[@hertzyscowicz7066]

I swear it took me more time to cut my bicycles mudguard stays to size than it took Bill to hack through the link on this lock.

[@THR33STEP]

I had to check twice to see if that plastic was covering a metal rod or a big paper clip!!

[@benstone1824]

You had way too much fun with that! Nice job

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Wow, yesterday I had to hacksaw through 3mm aluminum sheet, and it was definitely more difficult than this. Huh. But still, bike thief will not have a vise to clamp the lock in. Maybe it would be better to test those brute force methods by threading the lock through a hasp or something... So it can dangle as it would in a real life situation.

[@bradw0535]

Seems most manufacturers either produce a physically stout lock, but skimp on the core, or (like in this case) provide a core that is tough to pick, but is easily defeated with some brute force attack... goes to show you can't (shouldn't ) provide one without the other! Thanks for the video Bill!

[@wesdresen9994]

I am interested in how the rockwell testers are used.

[@puckcat22679]

They're files with a calibrated hardness. You start at the least hard, move up to the next harder, giving each file a quick stroke across the metal until you find one that removes some metal, making a scratch. The hardness of the metal is somewhere between the hardest one that didn't scratch it and the softest one that did. So if a 45 doesn't scratch it but a 50 does, you know the hardness is between 45 and 50 HRC.

[@stvbrwn8]

Exactly, similar to the acid testers used to tell what Karat gold is.

[@Ez3k1e7]

Thanks for the explanation , i though these were used to poke sam rockwell until he told which metal was the weakest.

[@robcape]

I love the sign behind your vise :)

[@gregintexas9937]

I really like your videos and this is not meant as a criticism of your skills as a lock picker, you are gifted in it, and I know it has taken a lot of time and practice in attaining theses skills . I just don't believe that any bike thief with half a brain would be carrying around lock pick set a 10lb vice, a 2 - 3lb hammer a metal chisel and a hacksaw. I think all it would take is a cheep 1lb pry bar with a ground out cut in the nail puller slot with a quick twist of the bar. A real test would really be try do it installed on the bike itself.

[@rileyfenley522]

Wow what a pos. It gave off the appearance of being a decent lock with all the plastic that hides all the junk underneath and makes it look beefier. I really like the addition of the hardness test set, it gives a much better idea than just a quick swipe with a file or hacksaw.

[@kellybullock559]

Hi Bill you do know your stuff about locks but when it comes to hammers well a claw hammer is not my first choice for this application unless is the only hammer you have. Great video as always.

[@xXDeltaXxwhotookit]

Couldn't help but laugh when you took the hacksaw to the link...

[@vaux_wolf4281]

Hi Bill what do you have in store for the hole saw on your workbench in the packet 🤔

[@bosnianbill]

I'm cutting a hole in LockLab's wall to install a split unit air conditioner this week. I got tired of frying my butt off every summer!

[@vaux_wolf4281]

Bosnianbill sounds good to me Bill!

[@Seresue]

Best workshop safety sign ever!

[@bosnianbill]

Thanks! I kind of fits the LockLab's attitude... 😋

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

I would of like to see if just a plumping torch and screwdriver would of melted the ball point off. Thank you Mr.Bill for your info

[@bigpapi3636]

Thanks for the cool review. Could you also have drilled out the back side of the locking stud where you took off that round plastic cover?

[@bosnianbill]

Sure, you could either drill it to shear the flared part, or simply gring it off. Either would work fine.

[@bigpapi3636]

Bosnianbill Thanks for the reply. Yeah, a cordless die grinder and a carbide burr would do just fine. The thieves out there probably had a celebration when those tools were introduced. They can make quick work of defeating a lot of security items.

[@binnsbrian]

WOW what a great lock holder.

[@jeremiahkennedy1683]

I would rather use duct tape then use this lock lol "Bam, we're in" funny stuff great review Bill

[@tsimmons4730]

What hacksaw blades are you using, those things seem awesome

[@geneard639]

I'm thinking, a Yankee screwdriver with a decent drill bit applied to the spun stud for the locking lug would only take a few moments to drill it out.

[@johnrobinson357]

It is my opinion that many - not all , but many. Locks are dependent upon the appearance of solidity. That appearance of toughness is enough to deter those looking for an " Easy in " Or a small percentage of those whom may desire that which is protected. Those of us who are knowledgeable are aware that looks do not mean crap. If it did not cost much it's worth is also not much - for the most part. Locks buy time, good locks buy more time. NO lock is unbeatable. All this has been said before many times, i just felt like saying it again.....

[@locksmith614]

11:20 - That sign! Damn it, now I have to go order one.

[@katherinesierra4511]

Could you tension the lock from the non key side where the bolt latches?

[@idkidk4334]

11:22 I love that sign 🤣🤣

[@Rx-xR]

Relating to this specific lock, you should be able to tension it by putting pressure or tension on the locking pawl itself, though yeah, breaking it was much quicker/ easier ...

[@user-rw3qq2sr1z]

Great video, Bill. Thanks for the review. Love your OSHA SAFETY SIGN 🤣😃😄😅😗🤣

[@stvbrwn8]

I don't see any winners picked for May on your website.

[@MrRoadBandit]

@Bosnianbill where can I get that workplace safety sign in your garage?! I need one for my own work bench!

[@bosnianbill]

My wife found it somewhere on eBay several years ago &, with all my injuries and constant bleeding, thought it appropriate.

[@MrRoadBandit]

Bosnianbill thanks I'll do some hunting!

[@VFXBishop]

Any chance we might see a Kryptonite 510/585/610/685 for a similarly styled lock to see how those stack up to these bargain priced beasts?

[@bosnianbill]

VFXBishop Thanks for the suggestion - several early viewers asked similar questions, so I ordered one. Price was a bit higher than the "junk", but when you want quality you gotta pay... I'll get to it soon. 👌

[@TheRealBobbysmile]

Bosnianbill If price isn't too much of a factor, the ABUS u-locks would be nice to see as well (although they are a bit pricy at £65)

[@JohnLeePettimoreIII]

That hacksaw completely voided the "lock". I counted the saw-strokes. This is beneath junk. 8 strokes to cut the pall 13 strokes to cut the bar

[@ManWithBeard1990]

With a masterkey like that, any lock that uses brass pins/sliders/sidebars instead of steel will be vulnerable to some extent. Especially with that wide open keyway, you can jam a good strong tool in there.

[@bosnianbill]

Yes, I thought it would work, but was pleasantly surprised to see my theory actually WORKS! 😋👍

[@DeanoTheSaxman]

LOL ... Bill you certainly know how to "Muller" thing's up ... ! Is the Abloy 330 still up to the task of a lock-up ... ?

[@N5KDA]

I believe an open end nut splitter would work great on the hing pins.

[@daveh7720]

I gotta get me some of those Dewalt hacksaw blades.

[@bosnianbill]

Just switched over from Stanley and am happy with their performance.

[@WineScrounger]

We use Bahco at work (formerly Sandvik). They last well.

[@cthulpiss]

I see you bought files to test hardness- do you like them? I use those to test knife steel after quenching for some time now.

[@MrJgstoner]

I've watched bills vids on spool pins and am totally STUCK on security pin lock with them. Anyone have any advice for someone picking by hand with standard hook and multipick? I think my tension bar is CRAP. are windshield wiper inserts really thick enough to top tension these things (with some grinding)?

[@VicariousReality7]

10:40 Or..... you could just use the lock as leverage to pull it apart with no tools?

[@tribblejones]

I Bought the Paragon a few weeks ago.... Still waiting....And you said there was a wait that will be worth it.... Do you think you could open that lock with a pipe?... I Can tell You like to Disassemble...

[@aliceinmadseason2319]

Whats up with the hardness test? How does that work, scrape the metal or something?

[@Micko350]

lifelessdead89 file

[@inyoudeep1]

8:30 If it was mounted all you would have to have done washit it a few times with the hammer from the other side and it would have failed the same way.

[@pr0xZen]

Hong Kong / China make some amazing quality stuff, but that don't come at chineseium prices. You still get what you pay for.

[@vondahe]

What - amazing stuff made in China? That’s a new concept to me. The only quality they make is innovated in the West and produced under strict Western supervision and quality control.

[@novo1178]

Bill, always interesting!!!

[@ame1304]

Hey Bill, can you take a new Abus Citychain 1010 or 1060 and Check the hardness of them?i think the Old Abus locks are Harder and better steal as the newer ones.

[@bosnianbill]

I've had a LOT of requests for Abus products but had put it off because they are quite expensive. Still, I guess it may be time to part with some cash and get one for testing...

[@BL-yj2wp]

I‘ve had a Citychain 1010 for the last 6 years or so, nobody ever attempted to steal my bike and it still works very well after being outside all this time (just a bit of oil from time to time). Why should newer Abus Products be of lower quality? Sure, some of their newer locks are quite badly engineerd (see LPL channel), but I don‘t think they would cheap out on their better products. Concerning the security of the Citychain 1010: it‘s quite a competent lock. The locking mechanism is very good, the core is very good and the 9mm square link chain is not easy to cut, a grinder would certainly do the trick though.

[@bosnianbill]

I'm sure the Citychain is a great lock but may be difficult to find today for a review. Until I stumble onto unlimited resources I better stick with currently available locks.

[@ame1304]

I have a older ones with 60cm Chain.The Chain is another as the new one that i bought this year.The Chain on the old once is round,the new one is hexagonal chain what is easyier to cut or saw.The old chain i need a Diamondleaf and he go open untel 10 minutes after it was finaly open.I think the new Once is untel 5 minutes open or 4 whyle the chainquality is not so good,but i will not cut the new once whyle it costs 80€.

[@MikeF1189]

Audio is 100% perfect on your first cut, and at the vice, then the problem is back when you get back to the bench. So whatever you did after the hammering is causing it.

[@bosnianbill]

I think this points to something at your end then. Here's why: 1. First segments - @ workbench using Blue Yeti Pro. Audio post-processed to remove background noise. 2. Vise segments - Used camera mic. Very dirty background noise. The tiny mic in the Cybershot WX-220 introduces a very high noise floor. To me, it sounds like a whirring sound that is impossible to miss. There was no common mic between the two recordings. The Blue Yeti wasn't touched between shots and is suspended in a shock absorbing mount. bill

[@devttyUSB0]

Nice attacks, Bill! I'd never buy a lock like that, if only because i don't like the way the lock works with those hinging posts.

[@lightdark00]

Wheel Up appears to be the brand name. MTB is a common term for mountain bike in Chinese listings.

[@Micko350]

Bill I think the brand is Wheel Up or whatever the logo was on the front, MTB is an Acronym for Mountainbike! 😅

[@chriswatson7488]

Well at least the rubber ties are good for strapping a pump to the frame.

[@bosnianbill]

I'm going to use them to strap batteries to one of my quad copters! Gotta recycle SOMETHING! 😋

[@kaoshonen]

Is your bolt cutter really hydraulic?

[@bosnianbill]

No, I mis-stated. I meant to say "compound leverage", but it slipped my mind.

[@uzaiyaro]

It honestly doesn't matter where something is made. I get great stuff from honkers all the time, it's probably the best country in the world to import electronics from as they have basically no sales tax. The quality of an item is solely down to how it was designed, and who it was designed by. Most Chinese oem factories in the middle of the tianjin new special economic zone built before there was even a road to it, will make a quality item if you tell (read: pay) them to. A lot of weird and wonderful locks come from China, and great quality stuff in general. Its all down to your homework as to what you get in the box.

[@jefffischer9322]

Love all your stuff Bill! Thank you for the videos. Cant find the give away for this video ,can anyone help? is it just that its not up on the site yet? thanks all.

[@bosnianbill]

Sorry, it is up now. You are quicker than I am able to update things.

[@goneutt]

Did that really take less than a dozen strokes of the hack saw?

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

That flare at the end of the paw looks very susceptible to a chisel or drill. A couple of whacks with a lever to separate it will force that flare out.

[@ZOMBIEHEADSHOTKILLER]

DAMN!, what brand of saw blade is that? ive never had a saw that cuts metal that fast!....it would make life soo much easier to have that!

[@micglou]

My guess is looking at your first attack... it would've been enough to just give the 'block' at the lock side a couple of hard hits with a hammer and that locking mechanism would also break.

[@KFADavis1]

"Let's find out if this is one of them." ebay: Check. $26.50: Check. Hong Kong: Check. What could go wrong? Destructive testing is best testing!

[@alexb.1320]

conduit is more difficult to hacksaw through (and that ain't saying much) than that thing. What hiding under the plastic of the lock body?

[@OtherThanIntendedPurpose]

brutal, you just kept kicking it's butt.

[@AlbertLebel]

That was fun to watch. That metal is so bad they could almost just use thicker plastic and leave the metal out. “Visual deterrent”

[@PokeMaster22222]

I think LockPickingLawyer tried a nut splitter or something on one of the beefiest folding locks out there, and managed to break the reinforced nuts on that one. So this is almost certainly weak to a nut splitter.

[@FishFind3000]

You should have a recommended and non recommended list on your website so people know what not to buy.

[@bosnianbill]

You mean like this one? locklab.com/home-security/which-lock-should-i-buy/

[@t0cableguy]

That bar cut easier than EMT conduit. just... wow..

[@FusionDeveloper]

Wow, and all they had to do to make using the hacksaw more difficult, would be some free-spinning steel rod inserts, so the saw would roll the pins instead of sawing them. The hacksaw attack, I would think would be the most logical thing someone would attempt, but probably not expect it to be that easy. (I left this comment before the video was over, I can't believe all the extreme vulnerabilities you found. I guess you could give the keys away unless you want to keep them and modify them in an attempt to make them into laser rakes.

[@jezzamarkham5285]

Give me the "Bowley 543" any day, as long as i can get a loan or mortgage to purchase it!!! I have more metal chain and locks on my CB500S than i have metal to make the bike!!!!. Thanks for the video.

[@cpt_nordbart]

LockPickingLawyer usually breaks those links with a nut breaker. He hasn't found a lock that stand this attack.

[@rocketrambo20]

the only problem i have with the first attack is in a real situation while it dangles off something the chance of being able to rest it on something while you hold a chisel and hammer it i feel like is not as practical

[@ChilledfishStick]

A hacksaw and a hammer would be easy to carry, but I'm not so sure about that humongous vise.

[@jimbo5635]

I bet you could tension this lock to pick it from the rear thru that small slot .

[@hollyclark3667]

want the workplace safety sign

[@craigostl]

Well all the brake in ways your doing is on a stable base. It’s going to be bouncing around on the field. Cordless grinder in 15seconds!

[@poacher-ec9zo]

Is it really "junk"? It took some planning and special tools tools to open it.

[@Micko350]

poacher 1979 never realised a Claw Hammer was considered a 'special tool'

[@buddymccarter]

Poacher 1979 What do you consider a specialty tool?

[@MikeKing001]

12 licks with a hacksaw to get through the link. That gives you about 10 seconds of protection the same amount of time a key would require people would probably assume you just unlocked it.

[@TTR_SLD]

I am far less impressed with this rating because almost every method of defeat used the vise. Obviously not field testing. I could understand the bolt cutter between the links, sure the hacksaw cut through the link quickly, but breaking the...pall?... off seemed very unrealistic for field work (vise again). Same goes for the master key- more convincing if you cut it to slide in, and test the strength at that thickness against the lock. Again, hammering against a rigid surface does not seem like field-testing.

[@Elektronaut]

Youe made a DIY "Polenschlüssel"

[@thk.g00fy]

MasterLock: great lock body, crap locking mechanism Chinese MTB lock: almost unpickable locking mechanism, but the rest is junk... Now imagine they work together .. what would come out of this? Either super junk .. or a Bill Whip! xD

[@cr0cket01]

do they subcontract to master lock that lock suck big time

[@AdvancePlays]

Pretty sad, I like the design so I'd be interested in seeing a more well-manufactured version.

[@alext9067]

Hammering a chisel into a lock is kinda brutal. Would the twist of a large screwdriver have worked? I'm gonna remind you that people don't leave their bikes in places that are dark and unattended for any length of time. Cities are lit up 24/7 with people walking by all the time. You can't show up with a jackhammer and start wailing on a bike lock...or maybe you can. You need a fast one-shot move that opens the lock. Chances are the owner is sitting nearby. The neatest trick for stealing bikes was the phony signpost. People chain their bikes to the signpost and the thief comes along and pulls the signpost up (it's sleeved so it comes apart). Bango. Done deal. You angotta bike no more.

[@hene193]

Locks are like airport security. There to make you feel safe.