Boss SDE-3000 EVH and W/D/W - you got the pedal, now what ?

[@dewberry3043]

Looks like your the first one to attempt like this routing. wow! And detailed too and straight forward. Thanks for the effort for making this.

[@zsrmx1]

Step 1, take out a 30,000$ loan. But seriously, you explained the w/d/w system great. Even Showed how your cables routed. Not many on YT break it down like you did. Well done. I want that SDE3000, but for now I'm having fun with the PS-6 Harmonist pedal.

[@rockervision5582]

Honestly, this video is a god send along with this new pedal. I’ve spent 2-1/2 years trying to achieve w/d/w. Every other video doesn’t explain anything in a Simple downed fashion. Our biggest hiccup was achieving this type of sound with one amp. But this pedal and video is a game changer. Thank you sir!

[@rockinchippy]

Wow thank so much !

[@Beer_goggles]

Tried that, 1 FX amp has no sound at all, the other FX amp has clean sound only, the direct amp works fine

[@markinthemix6055]

Thanks for the video. I use a Kemper and l go stereo out to the house. I do run a cabinet “monitor out of the Kemper”, to a Seymour Duncan powerstage one or 2 cabs on stage to hit me in the back and for some stage volume. I have wondered how to incorporate this pedal. I do want one.

[@Steven-u5w]

Yes, the load boxes are very versatile piece of kit I'm going to have to check your other videos when you have a more deeper dive into this eVh pedal twin delay boss pedals new effects loop of a sound desk and the effects loop amp have fun and enjoy. That is what it's all about. God bless!

[@TheFaustianMan]

Excellent vid, song choice, peavey wolfgang, and everything else. Nice playing!

[@justinwilson484]

What a great marketing situation for evh, convincing people they need three of their amp heads and cabs to run wdw. When in reality all you need is one amp, three cabs and a cheap stereo power amp.

[@tomlarosa6647]

Actually, you need 6 heads

[@rockinchippy]

Especially if you want to do W/D/W/D/W/D/W

[@Swanlord05]

You can do it with 1 amp 1cab and 2 PA powered speakers

[@divebomb99]

Your passion for gear and music is palpable. Love it.

[@5150show]

Amazing video

[@jasonhoneman1272]

Holy cow!!!! This is beyond so freaking amazing!!!!!!! You have the best you tube!!!!!

[@rockinchippy]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@petersouthern7227]

Interesting setup especially using the excellent Fryette stuff. However in the clip at the end the guitar sounded very distorted( The bad clipping type distortion.) Maybe just a bit too hot into the recording interface?

[@rockinchippy]

Yes my bad. There was just too much volume to contain. I’ll be adjusting that in the future. I guess in all the excitement I just wasn’t pay attention to the levels on my iPhone mixer. I’ll leave perfection to the digital modelers 🤣

[@rockinchippy]

Hey Peter, I realized what was causing the clipping. The input gain on the device was set very high out of the factory. I lowered it by 50% and now it’s fine.

[@GeneSchmidt]

Awesome video, Alex. Thanks for sharing! That pedal is on my list.

[@ericandrews1661]

I've been looking at this pedal but so far resisted. Lol is there a way to use three of those nice tube heads you have? Maybe a dumb question but is that possible or are you recommending using a power amp? I'm assuming that's what the other fryette unit was. Thanks for taking the time to make such an easy to understand video. That was needed b

[@petruccirocks02]

I would love to see a demo of just wet/dry instead of wet/dry/wet since some of us don’t have a third amp. Any chance you could do a video on that? Thanks!

[@rockinchippy]

Sure that should be easy enough. Thanks for watching 👍🏻

[@eanroad]

Thanks for the video! Can you have a Tone X One going into the EVH SDE 3000 and have W/D/W that way? Also, does the EVH SDE 3000 have balanced outs?

[@rockinchippy]

Not familiar with the tone X but you should be able to to run the SDE after the tone X and then just send the three outputs into your interface if you have enough channels. Not sure about the balanced outputs.

[@RR-mu4ou]

Great video thanks. Which setup do you think sounds better? The one with the Fryette or the three 5150 heads? Thanks

[@bmwm3cs]

dude! you're the man...thanks for vid

[@rockinchippy]

Thanks for watching !

[@robrhodes2494]

So if you run the head into the power amp then to the pedal it will run clean and dirty through all three cabinets correct?? Also, how would you run other pedals in chain with the delay the way you are using it? Througu the send and return on the delay itself i would guess?

[@rockstarjazzcat]

It added the analog dry through and the convenience of ground lift adapters to play through multiple amps... (Edit: Manual states "Direct" so pretty misleading if it's passing through DSP. Will have to check.) I won't use it as designed, as my WDW has the delays in kill-dry, but I appreciate the changes to the first pedal version! Cheers, D

[@partriotsfight5039]

Gear I currently can use 2 100 W Katanas (1x12 & 2x12) Marshall TSL 60 Peavey JSX 120 One Marshall 4 x12 cabinet What would you suggest? I also have my pedal board with whatever I want to set up on it I have multiple pedals that I switch out with overdrive’s, delays, fuzz, wah, volume pedals etc etc… I have a n M9 that I use but in the loop for only a few effects like vibe, chorus etc.. used sparingly and only for a very few of the available effects. I am considering buying this particular EVH delay and setting up a WDW. Will I need anything else to do it?

[@JeremyWhiteShow]

Awesome bro! How u like that Peavey? We both know Fender wolfs are better… 😗

[@rockinchippy]

Haha, the Peavey has always been my favorite! I could never bond with the EVH ones, I’ve had several but I can’t get comfortable with them. Weird.

[@jedn6488]

@@rockinchippy it’s the 15” radius fretboard. So much easier to play on a flat fretboard. I bet you would like kiesels. They have 20” radius

[@rockinchippy]

@@jedn6488 the Kiesel guy threw me out of his booth at NaMM for taking pictures so I’m anti-Kiesel lol

[@jedn6488]

@@rockinchippy jeez how weird

[@solan417]

I'm with rockinchippy I can't bond with the new wolfs either, except a usa custom which is more les paul then wolf. I play my peaveys more than my ebmm evh.

[@AntonovichHicksenbrau]

5150 iconic 80 head JJ20 head PS-100 (x2) > 4x12 stereo cab DRY LX ii 50/50 power amp > 2x12 (x2) WET CabZeus Stereo for Amp/Cab IR Option: PS-100 loops for wet fx

[@topbeer6872]

why do you use the 2 fryette components when you have 2 other 5150 heads you can use to power the other 2 cabs? im missing something of course because if it was that easy you would not have bought those 2 fryette components

[@topbeer6872]

haha shit, all good... i just saw your more recent video on using 3 heads

[@erictripton]

If I may voice my thoughts, rockinchippy. Great vid first of all. Second it's nice to see Roland finally remake or sorta remake their SDE Digital Delays. Powerful with it being wired for 3 amp signals. good competiton for the other overpriced pedals. Personally, I was using a Yamaha Magicstomp pretty much the same way but it has more delays. Ironically, I am rebuilding my live rig to be premo. I am not crazy about having EVERYTHING on the stage in the form of pedals. I use 4 x SDE 1000's and 1 SDE 2500 rack units parallel, through a mixer then out to power amp. rockinchippy, I did an A/B of the Yamaha delays against my Rolands, and like analog synthesizers or tube amps, it didnt compare sonically. The rack units sounded fuller, warmer, brighter. So I stopped using the Yamaha. In a live setting the rack delays sound so much better....to my ears. So it begs the question, of if this new pedal has the same richness of the rack units....Honestly the crowd won't care, much less the player so it's subjective. In the same breadth, I think its great this exposes kids to how it was done...and still is for some players. Using W/D, W/D/W, or stereo. I have sampler vids on my channel if you get bored one day, LOL. Great video for young players, regardless man!!

[@rockinchippy]

I think rack gear is limited to a narrow audience and hard to lug around. I think this pedal is a nice complement to the rack units. It’s funny bc I was about to hunt down some SDEs just before this pedal was announced. Thanks for your comments !

[@erictripton]

@@rockinchippy I love using the modulation to create 'air' or chorus like... I hope kids realize this pedal does that... Digital Delays with modulation parameters has endless possibilities. Yeah, my I holler at my mates to help carry it in LOLOL. But yes I agree the portability factor. Nice 1, man!

[@scottpeters4401]

My rig is almost the same as yours…I use the Power station to load down my amp,which powers my center channel,then the line out goes to my pedals, then into a Marshall 9005 power amp which powers my wet cabs….Question:Do I NEED to use the dry out of the SDE3000?…if so,how would you run other FX before it,Chorus,pitch,etc??…just trying to wrap my head around the 3 channels on the EVH pedal,and how to use the dry out in my rig,with my existing FX…

[@rockinchippy]

I can’t imagine why we would need to use the Dry out especially if it’s really dry. So I’m skipping it. I did put a dummy patch cable on it bc I read the manual and there is some level of input detection and it may switch you to stereo mix if it’s not present. Im not sure and I want to ask boss. My plan is to just chain the other effects in stereo and keep the same setup. I’m going to give it a try.

[@scottpeters4401]

@@rockinchippy Thanks..I was wondering about it detecting the dry out…I am waiting on my SDE,just wrapping my head around how to make it work with my rig..The power station makes it so easy to make a W/D/W rig…

[@peter-0200]

Go to setup and mute the dry output. Then only the Efx L / R should work.

[@Cherry_Sunburst]

EXCELLENT.

[@ek5150]

Hi. Alex, if you have a stereo power amp do you need a load box? cant you just use the line out from your center (main) amp?

[@rockinchippy]

You don’t need a load box but your amp will obviously still need to be connected to a Cabinet for the dry signal.

[@philfrank5601]

So this Fryette stereo power amp is just that, two output sections that take the same preamp from the 5150? And since the 5150 goes through the attenuator, you by default control the "master" volumes of the two stereo power amps? If that's the case, is there a specific setting on the Boss unit for that? It would seem that the "three" outputs are in fact coming from the same preamp, so...just when I think I have wde figured out, Inwarch a video like this😂 And, could I just use two separate guitar power sections from my other amps instead, or could that lead to potential phase issues? Or, would that not work because I'd need a Y splitter of some sort to go from the dry amp, and then each into the preamp in on the other amps? Thanks!

[@rockinchippy]

Hey Phil, please check out my latest video on the Four Cable Method. It works great 👍🏻

[@philfrank5601]

​@@rockinchippyWow, that's a fast reply! I editied my post, but will check your other video. PS, are you still rocking the Stariani JVM these days?

[@rockinchippy]

@@philfrank5601 the Boss has built in routing for WDW and Stereo and it’s all explained in the manual although it takes a few readings for it to sink in lol. I sold the Satch amp. 4 channels, too many knobs. Completely unnecessary and overarchitected. The best marshalls have one channel 😉

[@ggevh5150]

Awesome video and explanation could you run an Eventide micro pitch into it and still run it in W/D/W set up thank you

[@rockinchippy]

My theory is that you can just chain the devices in stereo and just keep your setup as is. You just have to adjust your mix in the H90 for mix of wet/dry. I’m going to be trying just that. One guy suggested not to chain them but to use a mixer for parallel but I’ll see how it sounds in series.

[@ggevh5150]

@@rockinchippy thank you please let me posted and let me know

[@59plexi]

ive been waiting for this

[@rockinchippy]

It’s not a pure demo so hang on for more clips. Thx

[@markfrye4723]

If you have this pedal, do you also recommend having a reverb pedal?

[@rockinchippy]

I look at reverb and delay as different fx but you can set this pedal to short delays which is close to reverb.

[@fattone]

Alex, have you ever tried the original SDE-3000 units? Curious to see how this compares. The modulation is one of the best features of those old ones

[@rockinchippy]

Nope, I haven’t and the funny thing is that I was going to hunt one down just before they announced this pedal.

[@fattone]

@@rockinchippy the 117v are difficult to find but modding the 110v Japan version is as simple as 2 wire swap. I have an SDE-3000, an SDE-3000A, and an SDE-1000. The 3000 sounds so full and beautiful in the loop. But the 1000 sounds amazing in front of an amp and is faster to dial in because of the knobs use with a gain pedal in front. Was just curious if they were able to nail it in the Boss.

[@godbyone]

Yes a lot of the great rack gear. Doesn’t sound right in front. Need to be in loop. I have pcm 70. Eddie used in rack also. Sounds crappy unusable in front a amp. But in loop. Even better needs have. Mixer for stuff in rack. When I first got it. ( I saw Eddie s gear First tour ) it took me awhile to figure all this crap out there was no internet , magazine s did not cover it. . It was a pain in the ass . But I finally got a rack mixer. Used the loop. Had 3 amp s. It was crazy. Great . Mesa boogie fender. Marshall And have it separated. Not next to each other

[@craigrosen6908]

Question for you. If I want to use a Fryette 2/50/2 stereo power amp for my L/R Wet signal, is there any issue running the SDE petal efx send out L/R to the Fryette L/R inputs? The Fryette does not have any effects loop send/return. I’m using my EVH EL34 as my dry amp.

[@rockinchippy]

That’s exactly the way to do it. The only reason you would need the fx loop is if you were using traditional amps.

[@craigrosen6908]

@@rockinchippy One more question. I want to add pitch modulation with the Eventide Micropitch delay pedal to the left/right wet signals from the Boss EVH dual delay pedal. How would you incorporate that Eventide pedal into your signal chain? The Eventide only has a “Mono” input.

[@rockinchippy]

@@craigrosen6908the Eventide MP has a toggle for stereo on the Input Jack. You would use a TRS Y cable from the delay into the Eventide.

[@MKRISING75]

I’ll be the guy that does the 3 Katana ‘s since I already own… can’t afford a head a 3 cabs and a power amp or just go smaller with a 50 watt head and smaller cabinets either way it’s still going to be fun🤟🏻

[@rockinchippy]

100%

[@frankxv500]

How do I get the T shirt? That is Badass

[@tripleb2001]

Hey just wondering if you running your H90 for detune straight stereo into SDE-3000EVH then out to the stereo power amp then to your wet cabs or are you running both effects thru a parallel line mixer out to your stereo power amp then to the wet cabs?? Asking cause I have read on gear forums that using the Eventide H9, H90 or the micro pitch pedal straight stereo without a parallel line mixer can cause phase issues between the cabs.

[@rockinchippy]

Hi Brad, I run the H90 chained to the SDE3000 just like I have it setup in this video without any issues. They sound amazing together. I’ll post a clip of that too.

[@tripleb2001]

@@rockinchippy sweet thanks for the info. One more question: do you run the effects in your left and right wet cabs at 100% wet with no dry signal at all or do you also mix in some of the dry signal as well thru the two wet cabs?

[@johnrobinson7138]

@@rockinchippy Are you sure you're not getting phase issues? I'm not sure how you wouldn't since the Eventide doesn't have an Analog dry thru path. I'm assuming you have DSP Bypass OFF on the SDE-3000EVH so your dry mix signal is analog?

[@rockinchippy]

@@johnrobinson7138 Hey John, I’m not getting any phases issues. I just clipped the device I was using. I’ll be posting another clip later today. Thx

[@rockinchippy]

@@tripleb2001 so based on what I read in the manual, if you set the output to WDW in the global settings, the unit adjusts the presets for full wet in the left and right. I just got the unit so I haven’t had a ton of time to scientifically prove that but that’s what it says it’s doing. I do know that if he center dry is not pronounced it sounds really bad which makes me think it’s very wet in the left and right cabinets.

[@rocksteady6448]

You don't need 3 cabs it's also built for stereo and mono I play it through my half cab with a 100-watt stealth and it sounds amazing you don't need it to be wet dry wet for it to sound amazing and do some amazing fat sounds

[@rockinchippy]

Yes we know that but the main marketing pitch was for WDW.

[@rockinchippy]

Hey guys, I figured out why the Humans Being clip was clipping. The Input gain on the device was set to 50 out of the factory. I know this because I did a factory reset to be certain. I got the same clipping into my monitors on my iMac. I lowered it and now it’s resolved. I guess it didn’t really push the clean sound into overdrive but it totally freaked out on the gain clip.

[@davepaulson287]

May I ask what you do for a living? This level of disposable income is inspiring lol

[@rockinchippy]

I started as a software developer building websites with the basics and then developed my skills over many years until I started managing bigger and bigger teams. When I started my KZbin channel I had a Line 6 Flextone and like two guitars. I have way too much gear and would be better off focusing on playing but then I go on reverb and poof. It’s a real problem and I’m trying to stop.

[@davepaulson287]

@@rockinchippy that's cool! I should have got into software it seems haha... You play fine! But I definitely think you have the gear thing down..You're ready for a world tour!

[@bruzzgravely3470]

Boy this really helped, you didn’t show us nothn

[@Z06VETTE03]

so how would you hook the pedal up on a pedal board in a single amp/cab ,setup???

[@BPToneReview]

I assume you’re just using the PS2 for its attenuation? Because if not and your just using it for a way to line out from, you don’t have to. You have a line out on the 5150 II next to the loop.

[@rockinchippy]

I’m using it to power the dry amp and also control the volume of the dry amp. It also makes it much easier to swap heads because I don’t have to unplug anything from the loop of the amp.

[@fr201]

@@rockinchippy So you're just using the preamp of the 5150 then? Not using the full amp the way it was designed.

[@rockinchippy]

@@fr201 the Fryette takes the speaker out and turns it into a line level signal. This is how I like my rig and it works great for me.

[@jedn6488]

If you use that line out will the speaker out still work for the dry? So you would take the line out to the boss and then the boss out to the power amp to the speakers?

[@motrock2]

So; can this be used with the UA OX? I have at 5153 50watt EL34 that I run in to my OX. Or would this not even be useful for that?

[@rockinchippy]

You can’t insert FX between the OX and a real amp when using an actual cabinet which is why I use the Fryette Power Station. The only way to use the OX with this delay pedal is to run the direct outs into the pedal and then into your interface through your monitors.

[@Beer_goggles]

why does it have to be so difficult to get working as advertised. I have 3 5150 heads. running 3 cables out of the pedal into the amp inputs, it doesnt work, no sound from 1 amp or phase issue

[@rockinchippy]

The outer amps utilize the fx loop send. Only the center amp uses the amp input. You have to follow the manual closely.

[@bradsou812]

So if I have the eventide H9 I really don’t need to drop $600 on this pedal?

[@rockinchippy]

H9 only allows one effect so if you want the SDE3000 delay plus the micropitch how would achieve that ?

[@jedn6488]

Which of you load boxes would you recommend for this application and use with Evh amps?

[@rockinchippy]

I really like the Fryette Power Station. It’s a great piece of gear all around.

[@jedn6488]

@@rockinchippy ty. It sounds great. Kind of a bummer it doesn’t support ir’s.

[@rockinchippy]

@@jedn6488 you can just take the Line out and send it into one of those inexpensive IR pedals. Problem solved. And keep all output silent while doing so.

[@jedn6488]

@@rockinchippy ty. sounds like a plan

[@jedn6488]

@@rockinchippy sorry one more question. I couldn’t find the answer in the manual. Can you use both the unbalanced and balanced line outs at the same time?

[@christerrio8108]

Can you still use a pedalboard with this unit?

[@rockinchippy]

You can use it as a stereo delay just like any other pedal on your post-fx board.

[@justinmassey5692]

Why can’t it be two amps if one amp drives two cabs?

[@rockinchippy]

The pedal supports many setups. The manual has all of the possible configurations. Mono, stereo and WDW.

[@GeauxSaints121]

This or the new TC 2290p?

[@rockinchippy]

The 2290 is a very unintuitive pedal. I haven’t really got a handle on it and I’m already losing interest in how much energy it requires to dial in.

[@jedn6488]

Could you just effects loop send of amp to input of sde3000 then direct output of sde to effects loop return of amp. Then left and right output of sde to power amp. Does this accomplish the same thing but without load box?

[@rockinchippy]

Yes but it’s just more connections I would need to swap plus it wouldn’t give me the ability to crank my amp and then control the volume with the fryette power station. There’s a huge benefit in my approach. It’s not for everyone but it’s a very elegant solution especially when you are constantly swapping amps.

[@jedn6488]

@@rockinchippy gotcha. I was exploring other ways to hook it up. I kind of forgot the function of the load box isn’t a line out, but more about cranking the amp.

[@johnrobinson7138]

Yes, you don't need the load box. Not sure why he's using one TBH considering EVH 5150 amps derive 100% of their tone from the preamp. It would be cheaper to use a line out box (like Suhr ISO Line Out box).

[@jedn6488]

@@johnrobinson7138 isn’t there a line out on Evh amps? I would still assume you need to drive the tubes?

[@fr201]

@@jedn6488 It appears those amps do have built in Line Outs. Nice.

[@billyc6678]

Can this be used with a single amp setup?

[@rockinchippy]

Yes

[@billyc6678]

@@rockinchippy thanks for the help dude. Appreciate it. 🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽

[@imaginedreamingofficial3432]

How about use 1 amp and 2 Komet Ambikab Jr's? WDW

[@rockinchippy]

I’m not familiar with the Komets but there’s no wrong way to do this as long as you can power everything

[@GeauxSaints121]

One Komet Ambikab Jr with your normal amp gives you W/D/W

[@imaginedreamingofficial3432]

@@GeauxSaints121 Well.. sort of. Its only on one side, i think of it as more Wet/Dry. I have 2 Ambikab Jrs and Run a "Y" speaker cable out of my Bogner and split the effects L&R to get a more true WDW. I get a huge stereo spread that way

[@GeauxSaints121]

@@imaginedreamingofficial3432 yes that would make it a lot wider

[@xsm5525]

that pedal's too expensive, I doubt anyone's bought it yet

[@midnightroses2879]

nice, but who has the opportunity to play wet dry wet? The device can do a lot, but you can play with more than 80% of it at home for fun, but you will only use a little of it in a band, not everyone is EVH! again a nice toy for fun but very expensive just for fun!

[@tjmaclean]

Can this be used with three Positive Grid Go's? 🤡

[@rockinchippy]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@notforyoutube]

Sounds like crap

[@rockinchippy]

Thx