Botch - We Are The Romans [Full Album]

[@mikeyyeda4892]

fucking undisputed classic... this album sounds and feels like the band were playing for their goddamn lives.

[@FurnaceFuneral84]

Seriously dude lol that's perfect your comment

[@TheGrinderno1]

agreed, i genuinely believe that some music is simply MEANT to exist and will tear it's way out in to the world straight through it's artists if it has to and all they can do is hold on desperately for the ride...

[@hijeejoo398]

@@TheGrinderno1 You ripped the words out of all of our brains, you should write... for anything, music, lyrics, writing, journalism, poetry, just anything. Do it.

[@helmartinez8323]

The singer of botch was the voice actor for the screaming chocolate guy in that one spongebob episode

[@biggovernment1533]

For real?

[@biggovernment1533]

I feel like i just got trolled big time

[@aarongtr180]

No, not really, but the idea of it is pretty funny.

[@NunoVH]

Although that may not be true, it is true that Pantera had a song featured in a Spongebob episode "Death Rattle/Pre-Hibernation"

[@motherfinestudios]

Spongebob is inspired by, among other things, Ween's 'The Mollusk,' which happens to be a very interesting and varied album, although not a particularly heavy one.

[@adamfitzwalter1320]

It's impossible to fault this album. Seeing them live with Dillinger in Camden will always be the greatest thing never recorded.

[@IBITMYWRIST]

I saw them with DEP as well in Toronto. Dimitri had just left the band, but DEP played without him. The mic was passed around in the audience and people took turns singing. Nora was another band opening. Was my first time hearing Botch. 🤯

[@YodaZemunski]

@@IBITMYWRIST OMG what year was that?

[@antoniosassi3494]

Saw them with DEP for their calculating infinity tour. Still have the poster signed by Dimitri.. we were like 15 pp! Tiny venue. Absolutely mind-blowing as you can expect. Autumn '99 or early 00s. Those were the days

[@YodaZemunski]

@@antoniosassi3494 seeing DEP in late 90s like they’re some rookie band. This is crazy :D

[@Mugenloo]

Camden Underworld? I was there man

[@Shoegazings]

- Do you like maths? - No. - You son of a Botch.

[@coryleblanc]

cant imagine a world without Botch, DEP, Converge, Neurosis, etc

[@keithmjali761]

Been on one of those Post-hardcore binges lately, after years of being disappointed and underwhelmed by the more mainstream variants of the genre (pop screamo and emo pop) that got played on radio, TV and some video games. I gotta say, Mathcore and Skramz bands like Botch, Coalesce, Heroin and Orchid really hit the spot, that harsh noise tinged chaos and raw punk energy is real here and I swear the intro to Swimming the Channel nearly got me to a trance, more Mathcore bands like this please! Hails \m/

[@MournX]

aw man...i dont want to be the nerd that goes on about genres or whatever but def orchid and emotional violence is not coalesce or botch, fucking great all of it but in its own area of punk rock for sure.

[@dethbled7339]

The Dillinger escape plan ma dude

[@ianmccarty990]

Ya don't say?

[@jaysinmak8893]

Theres a definitely a lack of this kinda thing nowadays. Bands back around the 2000's were seriously out for blood.

[@aguerr2]

Idk bro. You listen to any powerviolence or grindcore (not the cheesy gore stuff)? I like this stuff too, and even saw Dillinger Escape Plan in '02. But haven't seen any genre go harder/faster/heavier/angrier than pv/grindcore.

[@jaysinmak8893]

of course, you should check a band called Secret Cutter. Probably my favorite up and comers to that genre.

[@kingcobrajfsofficial]

There are bands like this still around, you're just not looking in the right places. Check out Axis, Baptists or Sumac. Even Norma Jean, who made a career out of aping Botch, still play a Thrice tinged version of this kind of thing.

[@blushingfrieza]

Y'all need to listen to CAR BOMB

[@segura8945]

can now add vein to that list

[@dogs3700]

My teacher told me to look this up. Cool

[@alexwilliams9189]

+TheFineBine you have an awesome teacher

[@camouflagedgoon7987]

+TheFineBine that teacher's name? John Cena

[@LASTINGVALUES1]

is he a math teacher?

[@dogs3700]

nope a reading teacher lol

[@feverXdream]

+sunn amps and smashed guitars Ha! Mathmetal, good one.

[@jacksmith4460]

Best Heavy band for me ever, how to blend groove and quirkiness, imagination, aggresive, energy with clear design to the chaos love it, biggest influence other than tool on my own riffs with my band

[@raider101416]

0:00 To Our Friends in the Great White North 5:11 Mondrain Was a Liar 7:52 Transitions From Persona to Object 13:57 Swimming the Channel Vs. Driving the Chunnel 18:28 C. Thomas Howell as the "Soul Man" 23:12 Saint Matthew Returns to the Womb 26:17 Frequency Ass Bandit 30:45 I Wanna Be a Sex Symbol on My Own Terms 34:20 Man the Ramparts 45:11 We Are the Romans

[@ddrum1090]

Thanks for stating whats in the description...

[@ddrum1090]

TonysTwistedTake i know what he did. The description says the exact same thing and allows you to jump from song to song.

[@liamsmith6052]

Jack Heet I've been listening to this album through this exact video for over about 2 years now and the description never used to have the song timings in there.

[@pariah_carey]

time stampers are basically the only people who get a thumbs up from me. thank you for your service, i salute you

[@peteralanhelman]

Best track on the album every track is the best track on the album

[@AndrewScott1337]

one of the most underrated heavy bands. This stuff is like 2 decades ahead of its time :0

[@ryanm8485]

+Andrew Scott Listen to some 90s post-hardcore, it's pretty much the same style but with more raw vocals.

[@AndrewScott1337]

I've listened to some converge and to some of the screamo that came out of that era, can you point me in the direction of some dope bands?

[@blagdiesel]

check out The Crownhate Ruin - Until The Eagle Grins, and Frodus - And We Washed Our Weapons In The Sea

[@TheWarboys]

Kiss It Goodbye - She Loves Me... , Playing Enemy - Cesarean, Shora - Shaping The Random, Deadguy - Fixation on a Coworker.

[@guguganmo5288]

oh yeah i forgot about shora nice one bro

[@kylewhite6030]

28:50 - 30:44 GOOD LORD. Still perfect after 13 years to me.

[@Randall_Kildare]

For me, 4:16 - 5:09

[@MadDeuceJuice]

for me, 0:00-50:23

[@ericchambers6863]

The bass at 28:50 is siiiiick

[@elrikdarkstorm7911]

This album is a masterpiece . Best band that I have ever seen live.

[@nhoteling1]

I saw these guys in somebody's basement in Rochester, ny a long ti me ago. It was awesome.

[@honeycomblord9384]

Wish I was around to see em live. However, the bassist has been playing with Russian Circles, and those guys have made some great stuff. I have no excuse not to see em live at this point.

[@zerkinit1057]

@@honeycomblord9384 im gay have you seen them live yet

[@honeycomblord9384]

@@zerkinit1057 that makes two of us lmao but anyways, I haven't caught em live yet

[@zerkinit1057]

@@honeycomblord9384 not sure if I communicated very well that I meant Botch -- have you seen them live yet? they're on tour if you didn't know

[@biggovernment1533]

The 3rd track always makes me break out into this crazy futuristic robot dance.

[@mynameismark25]

Listening to albums on KZbin is kinda like the digital version of vinyl. you can't just press the skip button.

[@KandiKlover]

With youtube time stamps you can now. Also high end turntables were capable of it I used one for pirate radio before. Though all you have to do on a basic one is just set the needle in the right spacing.

[@riccardo8833]

Wat? I've always skipped on YT

[@notoverwatch6991]

This is such a fucking stupid comment, lmao.

[@Lreldge]

you can also just not press the skip button on streaming lol

[@Justin-dg2nn]

The instrumentation on this album is ridiculous... never got into hardcore/post-hardcore until now, and this is... refreshing.

[@camouflagedgoon7987]

+Justin Wilson album is basically the epitome of all things "post-hardcore". I think this was even the genre-defining moment when this album dropped; alright we'll add Converge to the list for good measure. Beautiful album tho

[@dorrienmi11er]

@@camouflagedgoon7987 converge has done so much over the years. Not many lists they dont top.

[@sovereignmind6822]

​@@camouflagedgoon7987 this really was a genre defining album. I think even Converge took a lot from this album. This album definitely integrated the spacey atmosphere that a lot of post-hardcore flavored metalcore would adopt in the 2000's and bands like Norma Jean and The Chariot wouldnt even exist without this album.

[@firemusic82]

Very unique sounding hardcore. They're not fast, but they play odd shit and make it sound like someone fucked up, but then you think and realize that they all made the same fuck up in sync. Pretty rad!

[@coryhophood2877]

Math met

[@antihinduismisbased]

@@coryhophood2877 mathcore

[@kidneystonermusic]

I always have a difficult time explaining mathcore outside of time signatures but I'm gonna use this one 👍

[@Gummbi3]

My pupils dilate every time I listen to this album

[@zechariahazacolumbine2381]

lol serious? or sarcasm.

[@MadDeuceJuice]

my sphincter dilates

[@Hummabubba]

The pupil is actually considered a sphincter

[@themagus517]

I wouldn't want to fuck a pupil

[@uwnbaw]

@@themagus517 Junji Ito: **hold my beer**

[@philvance6167]

One of the best albums of all time.

[@Mugenloo]

00's Carbomb Love it

[@parahax_5553]

lol Carbomb is actually a 2000's band and Botch is a 90's band i but i get what you're saying.

[@indridcold1206]

The band Neck is 90's Carbomb

[@genericname9875]

@@indridcold1206 and Frank Zappa is 70's Carbomb

[@SirSlingShotMan]

This album got taken off Spotify 😭😭

[@josefcastillo8220]

And Apple Music, like wtf???

[@broop3805]

That’s why I’m here 😒

[@LOU-oo9zx]

I’m pissed about it

[@zingstar57]

Whyy?

[@psychedelicfright85]

All of their stuff did

[@DrummerEvan1]

Tim Latona was a great drummer dadgum!!

[@xxczerxx]

I know it sounds trivial but that's a neato album cover. It's very unique and atypical of a punk/metal band. The perspective of looming skyscrapers somehow compliments the music.

[@TheDarkblue57]

Underoath The Changing Of Times

[@manolispadilla6926]

it reminds me of the Matrix

[@parahax_5553]

@@TheDarkblue57 one of my favorite album covers

[@uwnbaw]

imagine sitting on the edge of the roof of a tall building while listening to this... the ideal scenery

[@jakedietrich8302]

I've been trying for ages to figure out what that almost-bulls-eye mark on the left of the cover is.

[@landonharris3660]

Minus the Bear is my favorite band. Looking forward to listening to this...

[@Jack-pp2ng]

Picked up this cd at my local record store for six bucks, i look online and people are selling it for 80 bucks

[@eugenehogan6317]

I'll give you 5$

[@ericchambers6863]

I know this is an old comment, but same. Bought mine at a slackers for $6 maybe.

[@ODST16]

the highest price on any vinyl variant I could find was $380US. absolutely nuts.

[@alonsocovarrubias5227]

I bought it for $15 at eBay that contains the bonus disc

[@robdaniel3211]

I have two of them....

[@thomashradecky]

I just struck gold with finding this band!

[@sidewinder554]

A classic in every sense of the word.

[@vincealbertmusic]

The guitarist went on to form a band called Minus the Bear.

[@TheChopLobster]

Which I enjoyed, somewhat. Not nearly as much as Botch..

[@vincealbertmusic]

@@TheChopLobster Since they split, i hope Botch makes a comeback.

[@sovereignmind6822]

Very different from Botch but also a great band. I've loved both bands since high school (2004/2005ish) and I actually never knew this fact until like 5 years ago lol.

[@misterscarisma]

Didn't These Arms Are Snakes come from this band as well?

[@philvance6167]

@@misterscarisma them and russian circles

[@mauricevanderheijden5261]

I saw them once in Rotterdam as support for TDEP, they kicked TDEP asses and I am a big TDEP fan as well.

[@Sonicspeed3000]

Holy fuck, why hadn't I heard of these guys earlier?!! Immense record!

[@coreenthusiast]

Sonicspeed3000 same here

[@greatstuff605]

They are coming to Japan on tour this September and we are very much looking forward to hearing them play!

[@Dazeycutter]

JAPAM

[@ThiscouldbeaName]

Totally in love with this record, one of my favorites. 10/10

[@walterworrall]

Some classic reggae right here!

[@arju8057]

Just realized that a lot of post-hardcore bands I've listened in teenage years were inspired by Botch, but i never discovered Botch myself

[@TheGrinderno1]

had a similar thing ten years ago i finally got round to listening to Fugazi properly after years of listening to this and TAAS and all the other guys of that era. the "oh THAT's where it all came from...!" realisation. welcome aboard bro, better now than never. :)

[@hydrakn]

​@@TheGrinderno1 TAAS and MTB really helped lessen the blow when they broke up.

[@hectords164]

I was into drive like jehu because of my obsession with the blood brother in 2004. Never connected the dots back to botch and only found them when I was talking music with a guy on a drive like jehu track. This was only last year and now botch is back. I'm definitely going to be seeing them.

[@Thornspyre81]

Same

[@zeroethsort1071]

Just found out about Botch through finding The Callous Daoboys recently and just realized the intro track to this album is sampled in a breakcore(?) album by a guy who goes by Drumcorps. Years later I make this realization, and this music is all such a good listen

[@safertoday]

2022 and this is still in my rotation! Thank you, Botch!

[@ТеодорПетровић-о3л]

the way this band sets the atmosphere is unreal, rare you hear that in metal nowadays, someone going for setting the mood, but the mood can easily be the most memorable thing about an album.

[@xunk]

I will never stop listening to this album.

[@Little4PieceGretsch]

It's hard to believe that this is 15 years old!

[@CB-ROM]

It's hard to believe that this album and Fight Club came out on the same year. Pretty mind blowing if you ask me!

[@schwarzblatt]

Used to see them live quite a bit in the late 90's. Makes me feel old.

[@brodftw]

i always think of my age next to that of Pretty Hate Machine cause we came out at the same time. 30 next year, jesus christ

[@solfaur0]

No arguing, Converge's brother.

[@ChrisXMetal]

I always thought they sounded more like Coalesce tbh but both bands are amazing either way.

[@solfaur0]

@@ChrisXMetal I'll have to check Coalesce out, indeed, great bands, we should be grateful we got to hear their distinct and unique sound in our lifetime

[@ChrisXMetal]

Sol Faur Spurcatu If you like Botch, I think you will like Coalesce. Give Them Rope is a classic.

[@solfaur0]

@@ChrisXMetal Checked them out. Great band, thanks a lot!

[@ChrisXMetal]

Sol Faur Spurcatu Awesome man. I’m glad you liked them!

[@IDEOLOGICDESIGNS]

In my personal opinion this is single handedly the most important album of the last twenty years.

[@torvaldask7193]

Timeless classic.

[@dclarkmusic]

St. Matthew RIPS. The riff at 25:13 makes me want to break everything

[@ronanjenkins2323]

“American Nervoso” and “We are the Romans” are two of the most brutally rewarding albums I’ve ever heard, this band is absolutely incredible. Nothing beats old school metalcore/mathcore in my book.

[@LordNothing]

First time listening to this band, sounds great!

[@nobodyspecialjusteric]

i just checking these guys out from a DEP fan comment BTW yes i is college studently & studly

[@luke666808g]

Eric Lamb It's nice to see late 90's hardcore getting recognition, but I never see anyone mention Candiria, 300% Density and Process of Self-Development are incredible.

[@camouflagedgoon7987]

luke666808g excellent bands. Yeah they kind of get drowned out by all the other "great" "post-hardcore-mathy-metal bands" of that era. But definitely worth a listen as well. Did you know Candirias's tour van flipped over and they almost all died? no shit man :D

[@luke666808g]

Camouflaged Goon Yeah I read about that after "what doesn't kill you" came out, I went online to bitch about the lack of jazz on the album and then people were like "yeah they almost died and the shock of that made them abandon their signature sound", which made absolutely no fucking sense to me. I blame that tour bus accident for Candiria falling into obscurity, they would not have tried to switch things up and be just another hardcore band if it weren't for that.

[@ettorebezzi987]

Tomorrow 20 years. I first listened to this IMMENSE record in 2001 and when I listen to songs such as "Swimming The Channel Vs Driving The Chunnel" or "Saint Matthew Returns To The Womb" or "C. Thomas Howell as the 'Soul Man' " or... well you know the fucking entire album... :-o ... I feel Botch are terribly missing in music today... :-/ hell how much I miss them...

[@moussetache1815]

Holy shit I remember discovering this while listening to random stuff at Gibert Joseph on Saint Michel, Paris when it was released. Takes me back!

[@jade-ne1qd]

botch is back !!!! they just released everything on spotify & under sargent house

[@colins7771]

?

[@prlysis]

@@colins7771 They were signed so they can re-release their albums + merch this year

[@colins7771]

@@prlysis cool stuff, I love Botch

[@lanbertap4153]

Yeahhhhhhhh🕺🕺🕺

[@PatrickHale1020]

loved it the first time i heard the album. i was really into DEP and skycamefalling at the time. These guys fit right in. If you're not familiar with SCF please listen to their album "10.21". its a masterpiece.

[@evok993]

I agree ! Skycamefalling was a helluvaband :)

[@spoonermcgee]

Another forgotten classic of an album, really love how much ground they cover on it. Very memorable!

[@Dazeycutter]

A corner stone of art and math, this record was an event before your eyes and ears. I saw them on this tour and it shook me.

[@Abhothra]

HEY, where's the secret D & B track ?!? BLASPHEMY !!!!!

[@TheWayofGrace89]

I'm reading 'No Country for Old Men' whilst listening to this. I am scared.

[@cgnkilljoy7581]

😂

[@blackspring3207]

lol

[@s7nk]

Fuck I wish this band would have made atleast a couple more albums. One of my top 3 favorite bands next to genghis tron and dillanger escape plan .

[@vinyldiary6664]

One of the best records in music history

[@DaeJesusChrist]

Legit has me listening to whole album just to wait for man the ramparts cause of how good this band is.

[@deneseal5452]

I also checked this out based on a comment posted from a DEP fan... I must say that I LIKE IT! Now, we can debate all day and night about what exactly constitutes "metal", "progressive", or "mathcore" but personally I think the whole subgenre discussion is a waste of time. Of course I don't want to take anything away from those of you who enjoy classifying the hard and extreme but wouldn't it be easier just to call it all "hard" music instead of haggling over the subtleties of the bands that play this style. Wow, these guys f---ing rock!

[@deneseal5452]

Hard dreampop maybe?

[@DCsk8rgoelz]

this is a question i see asked really often and a sentiment that even many bands (including this one) share but maybe i can shed some light on why classification is important. In a general sense it is a way of understanding/breaking down the music that you are hearing. More practically it is a way for people to discover music that they like and understand what it is about that music that is so enthralling. The facets that make up/are common in a particular type or of music (ex. blastbeats, palm muting, distorted vocals etc.) also help break down the history and progression of music by allowing people to make connections between genres. I will admit that it probably seems not worth it when there are so many people who argue vehemently about genres and use them and their knowledge as a sort of mark of status. the reality of this, as is the reality with just about any negative human interaction, is that you are seeing the vocal minority. People like that arent worth your time (i know how cliche and pedantic this is to say but its still true).

[@deneseal5452]

You make a very good point, and maybe the whole subgenre discussion makes for good dialogue between the different camps. Speaking as a musician I find it increasingly difficult to use labels since there is so much cross-over style-wise. And yes, classifications can be helpful when seeking out new music but I certainly wouldn't want anyone to be put off by something based on a label. I've often found it useful to just say "You might like this, check it out." rather than attempt to describe (inadequately, in many cases) what I am listening to. That being said I totally agree with the idea of classifying as a means of making connection between genres. Maybe I just like to paint with broader strokes because it's easier for me, I certainly don't expect anyone to follow my lead. You've given me quite a bit to think about, thank you!

[@rescuemay]

These shows were some of the most fun of my life

[@tetro8655]

This fucking masterpiece was removed from streaming services literally a week after I discovered it, so hyped it's finally back

[@oak85]

I forgot how much I love this album..

[@MournX]

dude w the richard james logo pic on the botch album fuck yes

[@SihtamEmperor]

This record gives me the chills, what a chef-d'oeuvre

[@supernaute]

Quite the perfect album. Every time something new to discover.

[@vanthamusic6402]

Man the ramparts reminds me, in a very small way, of fugazi.

[@tibora13]

The album cover dosplays the Kippen Alien floating over a metropolis. 🔻

[@nochthitus9397]

Track 10 is a repeat of track 1 there isn't a track called "We Are The Romans"

[@soniceardeath]

saw them in salt lake city in like '99 or '00, then saw their final show in seattle in '02

[@lucianopascullimoreno6537]

the cover could be of a jazz album

[@alamgam3822]

Eventually the hate nerd army will stop, until then just enjoy underground music that few people sought out and get to enjoy.

[@kingcone9309]

**fast angry twerking**

[@matthewmacdonaldchannel1]

I love you.

[@hijeejoo398]

🧡

[@South3West77]

Hmmm.. like ta see dat.

[@stephanegasnier2947]

Cultissime, et dire que je les vu en live au Fuzion de la Roche sur Yon il y a 23 ans ! Magistral !!!

[@jasonmacqueen5844]

a lot of awesome noise/mathcore albums were dropped in '99 but Botch carved their own notch with making it an art form (IMO).

[@StepNines]

still the best after all this time

[@JasonG123]

this shit is wild how good it was for its time. Never knew bout this band until 2021 LMAO, grew up with bands that they influenced though

[@carlgoldweight1715]

Dude this it's of another world,so awesome.

[@Dhieen]

Man the rampart is very good, remind me of the soundtracks from the movie Akira

[@ryanb2843]

Vein's leader singers favorite band. Can you hear the influence?

[@carlosmunera2005]

easily this and converge

[@carlosmunera2005]

also vein beats so much ass, so excited for their future

[@AllCopsAreBigchungus]

Jack TheRipper vein actually tears cheeks

[@bainntv2462]

One of the only true mathcore albums still to date. They defined the genre and ran away with it for the most part

[@nomeru_0]

bainnTV nothing is true.

[@Pragnantweggyboard]

"true" as opposed to fake mathcore. Some of the shit you johnny come lately jokers come out with is hilarious.

[@TheMetalAllfather]

Timeless, absolutely flawless and without peer.

[@insensitiveclod]

Amazing; the opening minute of the album is exactly what one of my favorite breakcore albums is based on: Grist by Drumcorps. Quite a new approach to what was being done in that space at the time; together with people like Bong Ra and Jaba laying the groundwork for Igorrr and The Algorithm. Thank you Botch, for going out on a limb, doing something new, being great.

[@porcupinehardcore]

That album is insane and ridiculous

[@BOHverdose]

There really isn't a lot of music like this that I enjoy. At all. But there has always been something about Botch, especially this front-to-back-amazing album known as We Are The Romans, that pull on my heart strings and beat on my eardrums. Beautiful chaos.

[@danielwarren9570]

Whenever post 2005 scene-y comes up on Facebook, I immediately think Botch and Converge - that is all that will ever matter to this genre

[@frednoel5112]

don't forget Coalesce!

[@mattheinemann3259]

Dillinger

[@kevinlebrun2307]

So many riffs from Throwing Myself and Bless the Martyr Kiss the Child come from here.

[@Stracchinium]

Masterpiece.

[@xwwg1wgax277]

Only here after the Punk Rock MBA Underoath video. Omg everyone ripped this band off 😎😎😎😎

[@Tcaverni]

I saw them in the 1999 at CPA, the old Social center of Florence... They played with Dillinger, one of the best concerts ever!!!!

[@ianmccarty990]

The evocation of sounds that still thrum feelings that are not given legitimate standing without a word to define

[@xWhackoJacko]

Raw and visceral every time. An absolute classic.

[@eadrian7108]

One of the few albums i'll put on and let it just play out. Every song is an absolute killer. Glad this exists it makes not knowing what to play somewhat simpler

[@qotsa1234]

This is what i call an album worth checking out

[@ericap3703]

I love this album so much.

[@psychedelicfright85]

The mainstream watered this great subgenre down.

[@jimmiet8384]

one of my favorite

[@Superblamblamman]

Converge, Parkway Drive, Cave In (their earlier stuff though), and Isis (not really sure about that one though, considering I haven't actually heard anything by them).

[@lessthanthreemetal]

Pretty much every technical metalcore band of the 2005-2020s era has stolen something from Botch.

[@KerayZ]

This is a fucking great album

[@6dark6sun6]

Well when i heard mathcore i was like man that sucks, but this album is pretty good, im geting it for my collection

[@karenvonguten7180]

Ben weinman: This is cool, we should do that. Ben weinman in 2020: Can't believe we started out as a Botch/Deadguy clone......

[@droptherapy2085]

I mean they were pretty distinct from botch

[@mavisevelyn618]

yeah they were both mathcore but played a pretty different style

[@bobbymurphy3247]

I've seen them with undertow,strain in Seattle! Awesome band,& good people!

[@esoxaddict2197]

Best. Band. Ever.

[@juanver23]

Best mathcore album ever made

[@mikerophone235]

I heard a lot of talk about this Band, are they that good? I thought...brought a copy of WATR. One of the few times when a band deserves all the hype it got, and really needed more. Glad they are getting a bit more now with the reunion.

[@deathmetalmaniac7894]

Perfect for drowning out your co-workers bullshit