Botched Paradise: How Burnout Paradise was Mishandled

[@GamerAlexVideos]

EDIT: I just found out today that another change made with the lowered top speeds was also that the boost speeds were also lowered. Thought I would mention that since I wasn't aware of this when I made the video! ---- A few things I want to make clear: - I tried my best to not be bias, and favorite one side compared to the other when selecting clips. Especially for the crash physics section, it was extreme hard to replicate crashes, so I tried my best with it. - I also don't want to make it seem like the crash physics were completely different from 1.0 to 1.6. I wanted to highlight the main differences that I experienced, but many times, crashes per version can play out the same way. - I did not mention every change that was made, and if you feel like I missed an important change that you would like to mention, leave it down in the comments. I only selected changes made that I feel like they negatively impacted the game. - And yes, I did make some mistakes, like how I did " Combo 'Over Screen' " when it should have been " 'Combo Over' Screen ", and that called somethings wrong, like saying that Super Jumps were 'Stunt Jumps', and Smash Gates as 'Crash Gates'. Don't sue me, I ain't perfect.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

@@SpeedBump Hmm, really? Might want to contact Microsoft or Sony about that problem as it shouldn't be a problem on consoles from what I know.

[@G3ner4Ti0N-El1Te]

the speed reductions are because of the rai-jin turbo because it is at 10/10 in speed and it must go at the same speed as the annilator street rod but the carbon hawker was not going at this speed it's just false stats like this for others. I could be wrong

[@eeblihp]

I remember complaining about all of this on the Criterion forums back in the day and the devs basically said all the changes were to make the game more accessible to improve the online mode. The crash screens were too scary and 'violent' and EA really wanted to push it as a party/fun game.

[@zacharyfassett8190]

I wished ea kept ther hand out of it cause criterion did better before ea pushed family friendly party game on them

[@ChrisB-x1i]

The game is great though.

[@CryptidWubz]

Actually, the road rages are much easier in the current version compared to 1.0 and they basically made marked man impossible sense whenever you shunt a rival they'll go straight into a wall or if you get shunted you slam straight into the wall.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

Racedriver43 even says you're fucked if you get shunted, as your car automatically steers you to the side and crashes you. He even said it's like getting sneezed on means instant death.

[@anomishfish]

1:58 I believe Criterion/EA ran into some copyright licensing issues with the sponsor cars, which explains why the ability to enter the codes were removed. Another possibility is hinted on EA’s website, where the FAQ for Burnout Paradise eluded to the codes being used/found on the internet which meant everyone just looked the codes up instead of going to the sponsor in question (making a few sponsors pull out)

[@reinmeiker9024]

I was sooo angry as kid when the Big Surf Island DLC dropped. I was watching the DLC videos over and over again till they came out - just to realize they're not on PC!

[@rlfpotatoking9253]

Lmao, same except for me i was dumb. I would watch a video online of a person driving to big surf island and I would then also boot up my game on my Windows PC, drive to the location.. only to realise there is no bridge. I knew I had the Ultimate Box version so I thought I had all the DLC so I started thinking my game was screwed up.

[@omniedd2584]

After seeing this video I'm glad I still have 1.0 on my Xbox 360. I never realised the difference until I compared them. Good video btw.

[@pl_max59]

TBH they didn't need to shutdown the servers since they weren't as dead as BPR servers. Also the server shutdown broke some of the mods like RV2, cause you have to be connected to the servers to use most of the stuff that is in the mod.

[@iamrubinot42]

Yes, but user known as Bo98 had the custom servers for original game and they could be started or releases by him but from what i heard they were unstable

[@rlfpotatoking9253]

@@iamrubinot42 Do you know if they've been worked on since? maybe they are better now idk..

[@iamrubinot42]

@@rlfpotatoking9253 i know that ljack009 is using a custom bpo server to beat wr's in timed challenges but do they still work on it? Idk

[@baggelissonic]

I completely agree, but playing burnout paradise on my protable switch is so worth it, even if it misses some stuff from 1.0

[@imembridibuddha]

1.0 crash physics felt closer to BeamNG. 1.6/remaster crash physics went closer to Burnout Revenge-level of dullness.

[@jojomauchi825]

Bro the filters, impact time sfx, and the overall uneasy feeling after you crashed creeped me out a bit. That's why i loved it. Especially Takedown. Remember that woman screaming?! I felt like a killed their fucking baby or something

[@TheBreakingBenny]

I wonder if EA had something to do with the changed Impact Time SFX, considering Acclaim would probably have let Criterion do it if that publisher was smarter.

[@starshape6650]

@@TheBreakingBenny I doubt it. The sounds were still in Takedown and Revenge, both published by EA

[@rocothecat4671]

What woman?

[@archam123]

@@rocothecat4671 screaming woman sound when you are in aftertouch sequence

[@rakshandarizwan339]

Would be such a dream for every burnout fan if they came back on the burnout series and started working on it like nfs

[@agentmorgan487]

Great video man, thanks. Still have my PS3 disk of March '08 and definitely prefer the original version over the updates.

[@markdemars7044]

I don't think it was a bad game for any version to me because I love how you can drive around and never get tired of basically freeroam nonstop. But also the remastered version which allows you to enter the island really adds a lot of cool and uniquely exciting features to the game. I loved every bit of the game because of it's depth within the open world, nonstop action, awesome cars, and I can literally go on forever and never get bored of playing it. Plus the crash physics are the best in any racing game in the world. Plus the soundtrack is really memorable and easily one of my favorites of any game with a great soundtrack other than the SSX3 and the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater soundtrack as well.

[@DogeyboyThePieChow]

1:56 this was mostly because the sponsorship licenses were expired when 1.6 came out. I think Criterion themselves mentioned this on twitter. EDIT: I also want to mention 7:01 that Criterion did this because a player finished the entire game with just a Cavalry. But again, why do it on ALL vehicles?

[@TheBreakingBenny]

At least for BPR, modding lets us restore the sponsor cars.

[@DogeyboyThePieChow]

@@TheBreakingBenny hell yea

[@marx4538]

i personally don't care about the final version cutting out music - it can be easily modded back in and the game's soundtrack is already awesome. but impact time/aftertouch being cut sounds really odd and all the downgrades done after release are downright stupid. why were so many things worsened in updates? we will never know.

[@Th3nylo]

Thanks for your efforts making this video. I don't mind so much some of these changes, what bothers me are things like, when you are looking for a online game to join, they all say "Car" and "race". it's not specific to the type of vehicle or event... and you can't pick a "Flag" paint job for the bikes anymore.

[@MrFrostyBites-t6c]

i think the reason that they removed filters and impact time is probably cuz they didnt want it to be a "psychological horror game" i dont blame them if i was 9 i wouldve been scared and never play it

[@TheBreakingBenny]

Burnout 1 and 2 had scary feelings to them as well, even if there's no flashiness… so frankly an age rating of at least PEGI 12 isn't out of the question (at least in terms of Burnout 3).

[@rasundesilva6088]

I played 1.0 fine when I was 8

[@imembridibuddha]

There was literally no horror in Burnout Paradise

[@MrFrostyBites-t6c]

@@imembridibuddha the red n black filter and the after crashes do sound scary ngl

[@AverageMichaelJordans]

I'll be playing 1.0 from now on because of this vid, thanks!

[@alexalcalaortiz368]

you probably already know this but the xbox 360 version has near perfect emulation in xenia-canary and it does not even need a nasa pc to run well unlike rpcs3

[@daphunkyzzindahouse]

It's crazy to think they shipped PC then ditch it not even 2 months after, like we could even be happy we got 1.7 at this point, what in the world? I knew it but it will always bother me

[@thatoneguy7191]

Wow, that was a pretty shocking eye opener on one of my favourite games o.O

[@ElysiumGD]

same, never really realized & I was happy with the game as it was in the remaster

[@Lambo800-4]

Someone, send this to EA so this can be their wake up call.

[@Tequila628]

lol, LMAO even. You truly don't know what cancerous degenerates ea are.

[@altrd_mango]

I remember that someone on a Driver Discord server told me all of this, wow, BP could be better

[@DJ_Thanos]

That could be me hahaha

[@ElysiumGD]

BP was better, but was made worse in an attempt to make it more accessible, but I don't know if it was right...

[@DJ_Thanos]

BP 1.0 was one of my best investments. I still remember playing it for the first time in Jan 2nd 2019 Came from a person who owns both PC og and BPR

[@MatthewDiLeva]

1.0 is, and still is, the best version of the game. And the remaster is just a failed abortion.

[@Grass_77]

if you buy the older steam version, it has some of the older features, such as road rages can go up to requiring 58 take downs, and stunt run points needed are much higher, and depending on which game mode you chose to play the most before getting the last license, that game mode would have a much higher win condition towards nearing 102% completion.

[@postboysgameshack4547]

oh my god I have been playing the worst version of my favorite racing game and I didnt even know

[@SebStudI0s]

I feel that they should've done 3 as a remaster. After all its the most popular game in the series

[@starshape6650]

7:00 wait I thought that was just a UI change, not that they actually changed the top speeds

[@sgtepicspeed3033]

I've only played this in PC. - Not sure if I like the crash filter from 1.0 when red is the only color showing. Great for showing the subtle creepiness that has been present in the franchise, but I prefer seeing crashes in full color and detail, specially with such a damage model. - Disappointed about the AI being dumbed down, the races were indeed easy when I first played it. - On the lowered top speed, like another commenter said, I thought it was a UI change. Sucks that this game doesn't have a speedometer in the UI (w/o mods) to really validate the change. - Not fan of not having more time extensions after reaching the Road Rage target. - I did not realize the Impact Time SFX were removed - The PC not getting love in the original version was not only exclusive to Burnout Paradise. NFS Shift, Hot Pursuit and The Run had the PC version not have the same amount of DLCs as the consoles. I'm streaming NFS Hot Pursuit Remastered in my channel (not intending to plug, but in-case someone calls me out), but to be completely honest, if the PC version of the original HP2010 had all the DLCs available, there would have been lesser reason to get the remastered version. To be fair the subtle changes graphically were nice, but not worth the price they're sold at (I bought it in a Steam sale)

[@Jamie_06]

2:25 Ayo pizzas here

[@DJKevin97]

I will always miss the 1.0 car sounds. On the 1.6 update, I can hear 616 Sport's engine loop because of the higher pitching and it sounds so bad. P12's original engine sound is just ear candy imo. But yeah, the car engine changes in 1.6 I really didn't like at all.

[@igorzgardan5639]

To be honest I think the 1.6 engine sound was better even though it was more dull, it sounded more realistic and it just felt right. I have heard tuned cars on the street and they do not sound like the 1.0 version, which would have been horrible, but they sound like the 1.6 which makes this the only part of the video I'd disagree with (personal bias). Other than that, it's very accurate.

[@Interapples]

Man I learned the hard way that the physical copy of Paradise on PC no longer works. I was so happy to have aquired this game from my childhood again, only to realize I can't even play it because of a stupid decision made by EA. Suffice to say I went straight into downloading a pirated copy of the game. At the end I at least managed to activate the CD-Key on Origin, but I prefer to play the pirated version without EA's DRM bs.

[@revus5078]

I never knew about all these removed features I honestly thought I had imagined some of those since they don’t happen anymore I love paradise but I know I enjoyed 1.1 so much more because of these features. I would love to see a burnout 5 retry or something of the like one day. Including some cut features from even the 1.1 build. Like the full map and such. Currently the PC version is completely broken for some computers

[@ElysiumGD]

I hope to maybe get Burnout Paradise 1.0 for my XBOX360 some time, since the console isn't connected to the internet I might be able to actually play the original version :) I'm guessing I have to get a fully original copy & not the ultimate box which features all of the DLC...

[@notflaz4420]

Ah! I didnt know it was an actual thing! I knew it felt different playing since then and the demo version on my 360 certainly felt different, but i chalked it up to it just being a demo version. I felt the crashes were much more violent ,visceral and terrifying in the old version and noticed the ui changes but i thought the ui was just the demo

[@copingflower1909]

Even if the game has some issues from the older versions to the newer ones but call it having biased goggles on but this game was so much fun even with these cut features that may have sucked to not be in the final game but at the end of the day it never and still doesn't effect my experience in any way with knowing this info now

[@Corre1Player]

I think they're both good and bad things about the updates, the 1.0 graphics has it vibe but I like the time cycle in later versions, and the restart button is a great addition but when I noticed it's easier and cars are slower, I prefer playing the 1.0 now

[@daphunkyzzindahouse]

I already hated 1.6 because of nerfs on all vehicles but now it is something else..

[@fordshelbygt7177]

We Need a Mod For Burnout Paradise To Make Better

[@true_neutral3378]

Seems that they put back sone of the filters in the "remaster"

[@shnubdawg7730]

I want another burnout game.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

If you're looking for that, look to Three Fields Entertainment and _Dangerous Driving 2._

[@shnubdawg7730]

TheBreakingBenny the first dangerous driving looks ok, hopefully they polish 2.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

@@shnubdawg7730 They have all the power to add lots of polish as an indie team!

[@GridnetGaming]

a lot of this video is mostly ea's fault, if you look at old 2007 burnout paradise, criterion wanted the game to be really good, but EA didn't

[@javaboygames02]

But what about the Steam Unlocked version?! It says ya need to do some tricks and youll get the cars even offline...

[@danilookovic7971]

Lovered top speed?WHY?!ITS A RACER!THE POINT IS TO GO FAST!

[@Manstam]

the speed is still the same, this only effected cars toward the beginning of the game

[@fae_gavan7582]

Personally, I think one okay-ish change is the crash Physics. Sure, they aren’t as exciting, but I think the old ones may cause you to fall too far behind. As for the smoky boost, it’s a little sad i never got to experience that.

[@Revengilate]

3:02 this filter reminds me of a war filter in movies

[@mikeo5079]

also the fact that the road rages in 1.0 are infinite as long as you gain takedowns the timer keeps refilling , one time i did over 200 takedowns

[@CrashedAlexWarpedDX]

1.3 is when the Ui and Car sounds were Changed not 1.6

[@GamerAlexVideos]

That's way I labeled it '1.1 to 1.6'. I didn't go through it individual updates as I was saying these changes were made throughout those updates. I only stopped at 1.6 as that is when the PC version released.

[@CrashedAlexWarpedDX]

@@GamerAlexVideos oh ok

[@Clogmonger]

The only thing I really care about is the nerfs to car speeds. Doesn’t make sense, especially since a lot of the cars nerfed were the “upgraded” versions of the cars. Why would a “track package” be the same as the regular version of the car?

[@dominikcz198]

I have an issue with Burnout Paradise on my Xbox 360. When I insert the disc into the tray and boot up the game, suddenly an update of 2 mb shows up. Afterwards it causes an infinite loading screen. I decided to remove the update from my cache and launch the game without internet connection. And the game loads, but it plays in French instead of English. How does this happen?

[@Honza135]

Thanks you so much! I never play 1.0 version, only first PC version. Billboards, sound of blinker, epic crashes, terrifying crash effects like old Burnouts... Man! I finnaly went on eshop and bought BP on my X360. Yes, they are still in shops in my country 😅

[@lockout5731]

Years later I want a harder difficulty system and more cars my Idea would be a muscle car Shelby GT 500 aggression boost classic muscle honour

[@aliflamin8533]

Burnout Paradise's DLC would be "who asked" meme of late-2009 and early-2010

[@jarthuzad4551]

i have both the remaster installed and a 1.0 copy that i run through RPCS3 (thank god i kept my PS3 games lol, my mom threw away the console) and i seem to gravitate toward 1.0 more often, but i wish i had more of the QoL like restarts, no constant filter (i like the road rage filters and stuff), and time of day (didn't like the "weather" system tho)

[@No-vq1iv]

This is crying out for a GOG release before EA inevitably screws up the remaster as well.

[@killzoneliberation]

Can someone list the tracks from pre release?

[@TizerisT.]

some good points made, but I think BPR is best because of big surf island, OTN plus vehicle mods

[@reinmeiker9024]

WAIT WHAT THE ORIGINAL DLCS NO LONGER WORK ON PC???

[@iRWQFSFASXCi]

so 1.0 is just overall better im playing remastered version and it feels like handicaped its sad... but still i love Burnout Paradise much a masterpiece

[@CrashedAlexWarpedDX]

Some of the Removed Vehicles are there except Semitrucks

[@louminatti3776]

wait, wait, wait....you're trying to say that EA f*cked a game up?! say it ain't so....

[@CryptidWubz]

I wonder if I can play the 1.0 version with a 360 emulator?

[@GamerAlexVideos]

Funny you mentioned it because I just tried it a couple of days ago using Xenia Canary, since it crashes on the regular Xenia. On my system the game doesn't run great, but its very playable.

[@CryptidWubz]

I might give it a try, It's ashame that I never got to experience the 1.0 version.

[@apocalyptica119]

@@CryptidWubz it’s better to play on rpcs3 and I can link the setup guide and where to get the 1.0 version

[@CryptidWubz]

@@apocalyptica119 I tried setting up rpcs3 but wasn't too sure about the links to the game, but if you want to send me a link I guess you can.

[@apocalyptica119]

@@CryptidWubz for the rpcs3 guide,here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3_RmpanhMShp80 for where to get games kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6jXgnR-mp2saZo

[@akimbo3479]

where you can download the reversion mod????? i looked in all the discord and didnt find anything!!!

[@tzttschvn]

R.i.p Burnout

[@Blueflag04]

seriously? physical copy of the original game doesnt work anymore? EA went too far with this one

[@cxlciummmiv]

Do you still have the reversion mod? I think the original creator removed it or something.

[@KeknanXD]

Honestly after watching this video, I still find the remaster to be awesome. Probably cuz I play mainly on PC so I never got to experience the add-ons, same goes with NFS Hot Pursuit 2010. And even with all the slightly worsened updates, it still doesn‘t break the immersion of the overall game experience at all. But I do gotta say that the PC port of the remaster really sucks ass when it comes to optimization. It took me a full hour to fix the constant crashing issue at the start, and the problem was OBS? For some reason? Either I had to uninstall it or install an OBS add-on (which I did) and it worked! That‘s my only huge issue with the remaster, the rest is nice as it always has been. Btw the crash SFX mentioned in the video are gone in the remaster... are they really? Can anyone provide a link to compare the original’s and remaster‘s crashes? I feel like I‘ve heard them in the remaster but idk

[@Tezuk_25]

I never plyed console verion, I come from PC on Paradise. But I never experienced Bike glitch there. Also with crashes, I lways felt like they are more boring compared to previous titles

[@annemaeisgey5762]

Is there a way to play the older version of this game?

[@GamerAlexVideos]

On PS3, and Xbox 360, you can downgrade the game back to 1.0. You have to look at that process depending on the system. On PC, since it shipped with the equivalent of the 1.6 update on consoles as its 1.0 version, you can't downgrade this version.

[@TheRobotAssassin]

Yes. Just buy the game for PS3 and turn off the downloading of automatic game updates (or your systems internet connection) so you play it straight as it comes from just the disc.

[@Tequila628]

ps3 emulator on PC & BP 1.0 "ROM"

[@TheRobotAssassin]

The best way to play the original game nowadays is to jailbreak your PS3 to get back all the delisted dlc. Then use the custom soundtrack feature from the game updates and add in any songs you want, like songs from previous Burnout games.

[@phsyco6977]

Does the remaster have mod support to add these in?

[@TheBreakingBenny]

It does with BPR Modder, to name an example...

[@SadielHrz]

me on switch wait theres a toy nighthawk and i cant drive it fu

[@Sharky_0456]

i personally think burnout paradise kinda sucked and nothing comes close to revenge for me in the discussion of burnout games

[@GamerAlexVideos]

I enjoy Burnout Paradise personally, but Revenge still my favorite racing game ever, so it would be hard to top that one lol

[@MatthewDiLeva]

1.0 was the best version, way better than that fucked up, shitty excuse of a remaster. 1.0 will always be the best.

[@RavenwestRacing]

1.0-1.2 in general, i will miss it when the game was changed massively on 1.3, it will never be the same.

[@MatthewDiLeva]

@@RavenwestRacing Then the Free February Update fuckery happened and changed it so much.

[@RavenwestRacing]

@@MatthewDiLeva And then the pc version released at that time of the update.

[@MatthewDiLeva]

@@RavenwestRacing And for whatever reason, the PC version never saw the light of day for the Cops & Robbers and Island packs.

[@Boskrplanet]

The first 3 minutes are details that aren't interesting compared to the rest of your video. I played both original and remaster on PS, I had no clue about any of the things you mentioned.. EA might've done some stupid things, but come on, if you're not enjoying these games as they are and singling out all these details from that long ago, dude wtf.. Are you happy in life?

[@GamerAlexVideos]

That is why I said they were minor changes, but still something that I thought to note. Did I inherently say that all of those minor changes ruined the game? Nope, and I wasn't trying to come off that way in the video.

[@Boskrplanet]

@@GamerAlexVideos Sorry for being so harsh in my previous comment. It's just that I love this game so much and I cannot unhear / unsee these things from your video now.. :'( Too bad that Finger on the trigger is gone...

[@TheBreakingBenny]

@@Boskrplanet The files NEVER_HEARD_OF_IT.SNS and SHOWING_OFF_TO_THIEVES.SNS still exist in Remastered, funnily enough; they were just omitted from the EA TRAX.

[@youtubesucks1111]

This video makes me want to buy an Xbox 360 and paradise just so I can change back to 1.0. the only good thing about the new updates are the weather changes and bikes.