Boxer's Bunker Rush x3

[@bobbobbgarte922]

It was said that july was boxers practice partner when he prepared for this semi finals. July had to play over 200 games of stopping bunker rush while boxer kept refining bunker positionings and timings for each map. It was said that afterwards, july became one of the best zerg players at stopping bunker rush, repeatedly beating players like nada oov xellos when they tried to bunker him.

[@koophuisN]

good to know cheers

[@go_rocky1084]

Exactly, he is a legend

[@johncampanella622]

Damn. The good old days 😢

[@safiyechoson9136]

"Because he's a pro, I thought he would defend that at least one time." - BoxeR "Because he's a man, I thought he wouldn't do that all three times." - YellOw - From their later interviews about this match. Two players were quite close before that as far as I know, and they're friends now, but this match was a great shock not just to YellOw, but to all. Before 2004, most Korean viewers and pro-players shared the same thought: "If you're pro, achieving victory is not enough. You should win artistically and skillfully." But after this, everyone became to agree that achieving victory IS enough. In short, it would be safe to say that this match dropped the curtain of the era of romantic amateurism in Korean e-sports.

[@harrychen4590]

Really well said

[@CrabTastingMan]

_"*November 12th* is a day I've erased from my life." Jinho (Yellow)_ _"Thought he'd at least manage to fend it off at least once." Yohwan (Boxer)_ Yellow actually started descending into a long slump straight after this. Everyone, even the players, expected a long, epic matches that will be told years down, but Boxer... won with the same tactic 3 times in a row. Fans scathingly criticized Boxer for ruining such an opportunity to give them a good show, (Korean fans were like, "didn't even get to finish my boxes of fried chicken and beer, it's over already?"), and in the beginning ppl sympathized with Yellow, but later ppl started to criticize him for losing to the same tactic 3 times in a row. But to be fair, for many professional gamers, giving a good show should be secondary to winning. *Cheese tactics, classic strategies... they need to use all they can to stay unreadable and keep their edge.* This is their way of staying loyal to their fans, by giving it their all.

[@Mexikun]

You just don't get series like this in other games. This is one of those legendary moments I still think about over 15 years later.

[@Trades46]

Emperor of Terran indeed. I miss the Brood War days.

[@notanargument1539]

brood war now free!!!

[@mrmomtime111]

I believe that title belongs to Flash. He far surpassed Boxer. But it was a different game, then.

[@KungKras]

There was an ASL game on today. Why miss something that never went away? lol

[@KungKras]

@Ohm Wizard Why do you need english commentary? Why not watch the actual gamplay?

[@pffrancis7498]

@@mrmomtime111 Flash is the most skillful terran, but boxer is the biggest strategist of SC. Some of his tricks are being used even in these days.

[@albusfr]

Game 1 Yellow: "Oh he bunker rushed me, he won't do it again" Game 2 Yellow: "Oh he bunker rushed me again, he can't possibly do it again" Game 3 Yellow: -_-

[@Ghiron_the_Wizard]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY TERRAN EMPAROR! If we will ever battle in space with someone, i want the BoxeR to be the Admiral.

[@Arialu]

I'm always so surprised how boxer's legendary moments always make me excited and grin like crazy no matter how I already know the ending.

[@alexanderchenf1]

When players actually looked like idols.

[@khuo0219]

They were so young. Now broodwar is a game for boomers, lol, still awesome though

[@MnMPryoBanana]

Those who think Yellow is noob don't understand the level of thought that is going on. It is like scissors paper stone. Two games down, boxer have been using the same move twice, not to mention winning this quickly will probably piss off producers and fans alike, it is logical that Yellow will believe that Boxer will try a different move that is why he did not counter the bunker attack. In a variety gameshow, ''the genius'' he competed with top contestants such as poker champion, mensa member, Harvard student, top politician, newscasters in a survivor format intellectual games competition and he emerged the champion.

[@InazumaRebornV1]

Alan Mathew -spoilers- but beaten by Eun Jiwon's stupid all-in move right at the beginning of their deathmatch where the results were determined by pure luck.*

[@InazumaRebornV1]

it was horrible ; A ; Jinho vs Sangmin would have been a lot more epic than Yohwan. Honestly, Yohwan... I don't even know what to say about him, he was never really to my liking, just my opinion but... he was always sort of cocky in the main matches and never really did any of his alliances any good whenever he "helped" them with his "plans"

[@刘俊杰-k4s]

Alan Mathew yellow is the best zerger

[@naphackDT]

It's not like Boxer planned it like this, so it isn't much of a psychological thing, more a calculated risk. If boxer's scout went a different route, he couldn't have rushed. The only reason, Boxer could rush there was, that his scout went in the right direction, found Yellow's base first thing and spotted the fact, Yellow hadn't even started his spawning pool yet and instead chose to rush his hatchery. Upon discovering the lack of a spawning pool, Boxer immediately started his rush, as he knew, he had it. One could argue, Yellow should have played it safe, gone for spawning pool first and get some lings to go with the hatchery. The chance of Boxer being able to rush was 1 out of 3. Either, Yellow is in the position, Boxer scouts, or he is in one of the 2 other positions, where the rush as boxer executed it will be too late. It would have been cheese, if boxer had scouted the first position, discovered nothing and then started rushing his scvs and marines to the middle of the map to get the jump on Yellow regardless, without any prior scouting information. The way it went, Boxer spotted a weakness and exploited it.

[@effingcool1780]

No wonder Jinho hates him. He said that he got trauma after this lol

[@fleshonthefloor]

I agree with MrGreany and ComeToJesus. It's not like Boxer went straight for the rush and made a proxy barracks or something - he scouted and saw the late pool and then rushed. So it's entirely Yellow's fault for not changing his strategy after seeing that Boxer has better micro than him and he can't stop the rushes.

[@Oreoclan]

The worst part is he said in a pre-game interview that he'd bunker rush YellOw every game and challenged YellOw to stop him.

[@XeMuotTuoiXanh]

+Oreoclan source?

[@BucifalulR]

That's a good question. Maybe because the video is too old. If it helps, try changing your monitor's resolution on something low like 800x600 or 1024x768, it could help seeing the video a little bit clearer (I tried it myself and I am not sure whether it was different than on a higher resolution or not, but maybe it's worht a try). Best of luck! Many thanks to the person who uploaded the video!

[@latsabb99]

damn the range of the old tanks are insane. i really forgot how large it was

[@bludawg7]

watching boxer play for that little snippet from his view reminded me of the kid geniuses in Ender's Game. Freakin amazing.

[@sk8parasiempre]

The intro is the best part of the video, lol

[@진진-e5t]

This match is called by sam-youn-bung in Korea. lol This match is called by sam-youn-bung in Korea. lol

[@asyo27]

korean are very technical on video games...it took only 16 mins to get the entire unit and build advance structure, its unbelievable...even in fighting games like tekken they are unreal...korean video gamers are highlevel

[@Fish4Man61]

You read too much into it. SC is a culture over there, and what it takes to succeed, consistent trial by fire by those like you - are much more likely to happen in the SC environment over there. As for the other games, they aren't winning the actual games most of the world cares about more often, like Dota2 or things like that. Nope, there are far more elite players of video games elsewhere, just as often.

[@13Tody]

I used to play BW at decent level for years, starting back in 2000 until 2005, when i switched to DOTA, and from 2014 to DOTA 2, currently 4 k. I got nostalgic and recently installed BW Remastered just to see how it is. Although I can play DOTA all day long without feeling any fatigue, after one game of BW lasting 25 mins my hands were numb, my concentration was gone and I had a strange feeling of nausea, at 170 apm (and tvt). You draw the line by comparison, but you can count on the fingers of one hand the non-Korean BW players that could actually stand against a top Korean player (Grrr, NTT, Elky, Pj, Fisheye, Androide).

[@KRHEE]

this shit was funny af... respect to boxer tho after the game... no smiling.... he knew that it was a lowblow strategy but as a competitor, he had to do what he had to do to secure the Win.... doesnt matter what u do.... but u gotta win at the end of the day.....

[@cloakster]

canag0d wrote: "I'm confident I could be vastly ahead of these guys [Boxer and Yellow]. The gameplay hasnt evolved enuf yet, and if I could play knowing what we know now, and how we play now, I dont think they would stand a chance. Boxer's only chance would be to cheese me with his awesome micro. But if that fails he'd be done. They dont play eco games." LOLOLOL. And then you woke up. =D Boxer and Yellow would crush you. Heck, even much lower ranked Korean pro-gamers of their era would. And if you think bunker rushing is the only thing Boxer could do, you really don't know much. Insist all you like, but if you really were all that, why has no one ever heard of you? Too godly to play professional SC? LOL.

[@bakayaroppls]

NC Yellow was traumatized after losing by a SCV rush once, the other two times was just nightmare for him all over again. He was afraid. Psychologically he already lost before anything began.

[@raymanlegy]

He knows he's bunker rushing but instead of early pool he goes hatch first o.O

[@windowslogo3577]

Okay. Yellow after first 2 matches: ok, he can't do that 3 times in a row, he probably thinks that I would start with pool. Oh fuck kill me pls

[@bhayatte5113]

Stockmarket Kid Yellow is one of the best zerg players. If he's noob, all of players are.

[@UnGato7]

These games were played in 2004. Muta micro was first used professionally in 2006.

[@MagnetiX]

Damn, each time I watch this, my heart sinks for Yellow. The guy just got totally dominated. Yellow must've been like "OH, FOR FUCKS SAKE! NOT THIS BULLSHIT AGAIN!" lol, do you guys remember the SCV rush done by BoxeR just a year before this game took place? The greatest rush in the history of SC, I tell ya.

[@zamiwas]

what really gets me is boxer's emotion at the end, almost sadder than yellow's. "he knows exactly how much that hurt his rival and friend."

[@MundaneDave]

Boxer spplied a lot of Sun Tzu to innovate TvZ micro, whether he knew it or not. He's one of the legends, shaping how maps, tactics, and strategies in TvZ evolved.

[@LucaTurilli89]

Didn't youtube mentioned somewhere "previously watched" after I already watched a video? I've seen this like 10 times and it didn't say I did. :(

[@GaleStream]

After game 1: Yellow: "He couldn't possibly do it again..." After game 2: Yellow: "He couldn't possibly do it again..." 26:41: Yellow: "..."

[@wsiloveoov]

임요환은 벙커링 만으로 끝낼 생각이 없었죠... 임요환은 홍진호가 벙커링을 어느정도 막아줄거라고[...] 예상하고 벙커링 이후에 운영도 철두철미하게 준비해 왔다고 말했습니다. 문제는 홍진호가 벙커링을 한번도 막지 못하고 3연속 스르륵 밀려서 끝났다는게 안습... 요즘 벙커러쉬가 씨알도 안먹히는건 다들 드론 컨트롤이 좋아졌기 때문이죠. 웬 테란맵 드립이...

[@ajwodajwod]

그렇게까지 큰요소는 아니었지만 그맵이 테란맵은 맞았었던걸로...

[@Myongtube]

홍진호 왈: 한번은 안올줄알았다 임요환 왈: 한번은 막을줄알았다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㄱㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@레이키-u7m]

MH K ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㄱ

[@AlexTechie]

임요환은 벙커링 만으로 끝낼 생각이 없었죠... 임요환은 홍진호가 벙커링을 어느정도 막아줄거라고[...] 예상하고 벙커링 이후에 운영도 철두철미하게 준비해 왔다고 말했습니다. 문제는 홍진호가 벙커링을 한번도 막지 못하고 3연속 스르륵 밀려서 끝났다는게 안습... 요즘 벙커러쉬가 씨알도 안먹히는건 다들 드론 컨트롤이 좋아졌기 때문이죠. 웬 테란맵 드립이... Translation: Im not going to end up with a bunker ring... Lim Yoghwan said that it would prevent the bunker ring from being somewhat [...] expected to have been prepared for the operation after the bunker ring. The problem is that the Hongjin-ho did not stop the bunker and ended up with three consecutive sweeps... This is because the bunker rush has been a better drone control. Wen Terran map drip...

[@AlexTechie]

그렇게까지 큰요소는 아니었지만 그맵이 테란맵은 맞았었던걸로... Translation: That was not a big factor, but that map was right for Terran Maps...

[@seabard77]

a lot of new strat were developed to counter that. There is a probably video about July destroying boxer's bunker rush (although Boxer is obviously not at his prime)

[@lagmaster102]

I watched the entire 30 minutes. Yeah. Starcraft 4ever

[@Tony000888]

Boxer simply timed his attacks perfectly with great micro, the maps and position had no effect, no matter what critism he recieves from these 3 matches, it will always stay in SC fans mind as genuis play.

[@Kondzino]

who is watching WCS 2015 showmatch xDDD???

[@hooh3923]

If u read the description, all other builds except one that requires a pool before overlord would fail to this type of push because of boxer's perfect timing.

[@snuffeldjuret]

Watched this as it was referenced in The Genius :D.

[@Athos90]

I noticed in the final matchup that boxers scvs made a wall next to the bunker. This was to prevent yellows lings from running past and attacking boxers base. That's the typical counter to this.

[@geremysorlinigiguere9535]

Zergs tend to be too greedy for their own good. Because lings are so strong early, they always assume that their opponents will cower during the first few minutes and think they're safe to expand without any combat units. Even in SC2 this is still true.

[@JVDAWG1]

+Gérémy Sorlini Giguère I own so many zerg with double gating in sc2

[@Kinjutsuu]

Oh god, yellow... I feel terribly sad for him really.. At the end he's just staring, almost crying.. He is getting that awkward feeling in his throat, a feeling that can't be explained, but we have all experienced it.

[@goghjah9036]

임요환: "3번 중 1번은 막을 줄 알았다."

[@유-j3i]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@담배한갑술한병]

그런데 그것이 실제로 일어났습니다.

[@AlexTechie]

임요환: "3번 중 1번은 막을 줄 알았다." Translation: Lim, Yo-hwan: "No. 1 of 3 was a stop."

[@AlexTechie]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Translation: The staffs are very polite.

[@AlexTechie]

홍진호:이런 무대에서 설마 두 번은 안 쓰겠지, 그리고 임요환이 인간이라면 세 번은 안 쓰겠지라고 생각했다. Translation: Hong Jin-ho: I would not be on this stage twice, and I thought it would be three times if im a human.

[@digest9816]

삼연벙 안지는 한참됐지만 용기내서 이제야 봤다... 홍진호의 역대급 시련이란말이 괜히나온게 아니구나...

[@jerb5723]

that blue pixel sure rekt the fuck out of that orange pixel

[@tarreislam]

NoodleLu HAHAHAH BECUSE THE VIDEO IS IN LOW RES XDXDXDXDXDXDC

[@whatshendrix]

@coltin5 Yep. Nothing wrong with that though - that inspires a non-linear gameplay and it forces you to predict your opponent's moves. That essentially adds endless gameplay possibilities to the game. Whereas BroodWar forces you to use linear tactics which rely entirely on mechanical skills.

[@MoXyiD]

yellows face was so hilarious after each of these games.

[@ElektrikPichuZ]

He always does the same face all the time, what are you talking about?

[@canag0d]

It's crazy how the meta game evolves. I seriously doubt 2006 boxer could beat me.

[@qrhyme5959]

Verse BoxeR in 2006.

[@carlng8438]

that may be possible, provided that you play much, much better than the two broodwar videos you have uploaded currently

[@MsRoxi85]

This Game is from 2004.

[@sunghyunshkim]

Boxer is a real bad ass

[@Zeithri]

I have one question; Where can I watch these? Is it on TV or like webtv?

[@맙소사-u6j]

자랑스런 3연벙

[@eim9]

I think he wasn't feeling bad for YellOw, but he knew he was going to be swarmed by negative comments about how he handeled each match with that strat.

[@iloveincite]

'1' does '3' to '2'.

[@얼음-p8c]

Nono 1 does 2 to 3

[@DrJarryn]

@hermionelovesme BoxeR is the one on the left, in the SK Telecom jersey. :)

[@FIandre_]

전설의 3연병!!!

[@BucifalulR]

Don't worry, your English seems good :), it's understandable. Maybe the quality is really low on the video then :(. I think I tried converting the video to a higher resolution, but it failed (at least I didn't notice any difference between the converted and the original video). I suppose we're left with watching the video as it is. Maybe it is a good idea not to turn full screen on. Good luck!:)

[@jinjeong323]

I lost all respect for boxer in this event. Not just because of the 3 carefully measured out bunker rush, which I think it was a tactic to win, and I respect, but because of how Boxer acted after this, after the cost of breaking an honest, cool progamer(YellOw never quite regained his old, legendary form after this. I remember that he ran crying for an hour, stunned by this turn of events, then stumbled into a nearby internet cafe and wrote a post apologizing for his misconduct and failure to defend the cheese), but because Boxer went to the finals and LOST against iloveoov, and then he CRIED during the awards ceremony, where iloveoov was holding his interview.(iloveoov, when asked how he felt, looked at Boxer for a second and then said "not very good" It contrasts with YellOw's behavior shown in 2003 Olympus Starleague.) He basically declared that progamers could do anything for a win, but he became a hypocrite at the same tourney by getting butthurt over losing. Still a respectable man who pretty much gave his all for the StarCraft scene in Korea, and did so many things, but this event....

[@Aerba54]

I haven't played this game for about 8 years, but I just got it again and want to learn it. I hope the micro is fun as warcraft 3, because there's no hero in this... I remember doing this terrain's strategy all the time: Build a couple barracks, get some marines and medics, and slowly push their base once you get some siege tanks. then later, you can get some goliaths or wraiths for aa, but maybe the strats have changed over the past few years. Who knows.

[@kimjames1202]

황신 ㅠㅅㅠ....

[@adonyx1]

If you looked at his start, most of his drones were gone. At that point, I would say it's basically impossible to recover, especially considering Boxer's bunker rushes.

[@ShiroGomi]

I feel so bad for YellOw. Not only for this (I usually feel bad when I rush-win against my friends more than once in a row), but for him in general. Apparently, he has a ton of silvers, but no worldwide-class tourney wins, and has some angst over it. He's so good, but just can't come through at the end.

[@Monsterbiffen]

Where can I find a jacket that these guys are wearing? theyre awsome! thx

[@turbofalkon]

LOVE IT.. he scouted 3 times and saw that he was rushing the barack b4 supply.. and all 3 times he hatched before spawn pool... adapt or die... that's what happens when u only know one build order

[@gzzz231]

that's exactly what I'm thinking (14 years later ) :D

[@yankee217]

@Berith003 Actually if you registered it on the battle net its free to redownload :)

[@jzero4813]

Starcraft is kind of like heavy metal - sometimes it's in a small dark club, sometimes it's outside in a stadium. Check out Boxer's Perfect SCV Rush to see a different sort of crowd.

[@Error081688]

Also, it kinda makes sense that he did it 3 times; Yellow also did the same build 3 times.

[@Auxillia]

if you don't know what im talking about, its at 14:30

[@blazed322]

Probably didn't expect 3 bunker rushes

[@Aerba54]

Well, perhaps the years have changed but I remember getting bunkers and siege tanks and maybe air support. I know tanks/marines goliaths were always easy to push them with. You hit almost anything with that siege tank and it'll die. Warcraft, you hardly get any air support. Every race has their own "defense" like orc burrows, human call to arms, undead blight, and night elf moon wells. I think it's much more complicated.

[@eddiekoski]

ok that's good news kind of bad it was overheating just from star-craft? Or being idle

[@elliskennedy9885]

Ill fucking do it again

[@NapalmFlame]

Honestly, I wouldn't have thought anyone would have gone 12hatch after being hit with an aggressive bunker rush. An economic 12pool 14/15hatch would be a lot safer, since scouting time determines whether you place your second hatch or whether you make more lings and a colony.

[@AirmetalDrummer]

Which one is boxer and which one is yellow. First I was thinking Boxer was on the right, but then I don't really know. Someone tell me please. Thanks!

[@powerkickass]

besides using da attack-while-stacked drone bug how do u counter dis....!? beta wish 4 some luck in da stack-atks?

[@Covertghost]

@demohunto3 depends on how good the zerg's micro is, can still beat the terran army if they have increased range on hydras, a good amount of them, and micro them correctly.

[@modipete90]

@heymanjob depends. some maps make FE a staple play cuz it's rly far spawns. and it depends on wat kind of FE

[@Ecrilon]

@246trinitrotoluene Nowhere near chess in what? History? Game length? Age of players?

[@Ouaueaio]

hi, sorry by the ignorance but boxer is the person called Lim Yo? ty

[@ricarleite]

Do they wear noise-canceling headphones along with regular earphones so they really cannot hear anything outside the game?

[@Anrik21]

Is Yellow going for some 3hatch hydra or what? Cuz it's the same as "Boxers perfects SCV rush"

[@AfromanKKK2]

How so? I would like to know how much things have changed.

[@Suntro]

What's a 2 hatch?

[@sourcerror]

Does these matches have a subtitled version somewhere?

[@flapplewapple]

he might have seen that UC berkeley video about starcraft and said 1997? everywhere else says 1998. It still means he meant that hes been playing since it came out

[@AndrewTheTransformer]

some of these old maps make it difficult for Z to win vs T haha and back then, over pool wasn't discovered...

[@JakeGittes84]

Keep in mind that the Terran player will also control his units. It's not as easy as you make it sound

[@mistaflexshot4698]

Omg VIOLE, yes ! i remember this, watch it live !!! this was totally insane and sad too, i just remember Boxer in later interview per say , he even felt not very happy with this but just wanted to prove Terran were more than what they were , it was HUGE at the time , who even did this in Semi finals. like

[@eddiekoski]

does it only happen with starcraft and what os do you have?

[@NNN2]

Totalanahilation, do you mean the diplomacy menu? It said SlayerS_'BoxeR'

[@Zeithri]

This has nothing to do with TvZ imbalance. This has to do with the Zerg not going for Zerglings fast enough as well as trying to exp far ahead of it's time.

[@lagerbaer]

@sk8ter9o True. You can find many similarities to chess. You have openings, mid-game, end-game (although the number of units in play is just the opposite as in chess). You can play aggressively or defensively, sacrifice material to gain time or room etc. etc. Big difference: Chess is a game with total information. No scouting in chess :) And of course in Chess your APM are irrelevant :)

[@eim9]

Was that, the bunker rush, something Boxer never did before this match up?

[@Fr0styz01]

BoxeR ftw! also i love this music brings back memories of when SC2 wasn't out and sc1 reigned supreme. then sc2 came out and people are still playing sc1 :) shows you just how awesome sc1 is ♥ for sc1

[@Th3Sh1n1gam1]

@hyeonj315 It's because in that specific build, if you cancel it that late, then... you end up losing anyways. Hatch before pool, is the same thing as 14 CC. extremely risky and you have to hope that your opponent doesn't rush you. if they do, it's game over, but if they don't, then you have a higher chance of winning if they didn't fast expand as well.

[@PremusRed]

Zerg players can only build units from hacheries. With only 3 eggs per hachery and with a while for more larvae to spawn, they can't keep up with terran and protoss who can just build more factories and ect, cause zerg players build both attacking units and drones from 1 building. Hope that made sense.

[@polanddemon]

Pretty sure Flash was the only player to reach 70% win rate in ALL matchups. He had a higher overall win rate then Boxer ever had for 3 years in a row while also suffering from RSI in his wrist. Flash had a 75% overall win rate in the 2010 season. Please check it yourself if you don't believe me. Flash destroyed Boxer's records.

[@wasdzxc12345]

i was wondering, if Yellow saw the bunker rush coming, why didnt he just cancel the hatchery and pull back his units and defend?

[@ig33ve]

i wnna see this against 4 pool in the pre-patch days..

[@Atm0sphere33]

thats why yellow shouldnt have done the exact same 12 hatch build every time. btw seabard just curious why did people hate him after this?? i find this play brilliant, considering the bunker rush was almost never used professionally before boxer

[@PrevalentEvil]

Im really interested in this but i don't really understand, can someone explain what happened?

[@freedom2010usus]

i still remember at that time, this 8bb strategy to zerg is a bomb into the SC world!!

[@jinx0044]

what were the maps they played? thx

[@08jnope]

@asianboi1004 i dont think that many people would be the ghost cuz they would have to balance the characters so ghosts probably wouldn't have nuke or lockdown and cloke probably wouldn't last very long (like 15sec), zealots would probably have a dash ability, Rines & Bats would have a stim like ability that would probably last along time, zerg units would burrow