Boxer vs Blackman

[@guangpeng7117]

Goes from liquipedia. Blackman is definitely one of the best zerg that times. An impressive player!

[@johnldu]

holy crap... why did no one think about this?!! the commentators are giving everything away!!

[@EebstertheGreat]

This was the first ever English commentary I saw of a Starcraft game. It is still the only commentary I have seen by [pG]Korn and one of the only Blackman games. I would love it if anyone knows if there is more of either of them out there.

[@luxjason]

lol! the commentating was awesome i dont know what you guys are talking about, the best laugh ive had in a while

[@dewinmoonl]

I loved the commentating. From the biased views to the complete shock to the biased crowed and all.

[@PolarTemplar]

Artur Polacy pamietaja ten mecz!

[@ckyisyourfuture]

I miss Blackman. He's one of those heroes of yesteryear whose name has quickly become legend.

[@GreenPancakes]

Thank you so much for that, i'm glad that it was translated in this game..

[@ShowXTime777]

@ehnogi please refer to the description box. VioleTAK is not the person that's commentating.

[@W00tbeer1]

@luke8294 Yes they are so they can't hear the crowd screaming when something important is built or whatever.

[@luke8294]

What use are the glass boxes they are sitting in? Are they soundproofed or something?

[@Broockle]

i didn't get the command center interceptor trick, did interceptors die everytime he landed? nice vid

[@TopCatOwns]

I miss Boxer. back when I play brood war daily all anyone talked about was Boxer and how much he owned. this is the first time ive ever seen any of his videos tho. he has the best M&M uber micro ive ever seen. damn!

[@Son727]

@FishTurd69 well, a half surround enables the marine to micro backwards while they shoot, so usually at high level play, zerg players always run their speedlings around the marines and surround them.

[@Machdude]

What the commentator does not seem to understand is that Boxer is a Micro specialist and the small amount of units actually plays to his advantage because he doesn't use a lot of units. Also, the Terran has the advantage of having the base unit having a set damage with both and and ground attack.

[@jzero4813]

Well, to be fair, this was five years ago, so the protocols of professional starcraft play were perhaps not as widely known at the time. There was also, as he noted, an incident in a counterstrike tournament around that time where the players *could* hear the commentators, so it could have been a justifiable concern.

[@bmelanie]

"since everyone is biased against Blackman I will be biased against Boxer"

[@Rickdeckard2020]

Great video. Is there any championship videos where a Zerg wins? All I see is terrans beating the living daylights out of Zergs all the time

[@noobrages]

@FishTurd69 what about positioning, he got any medivacs?

[@wh0racle3]

@ehnogi VioleTAK isnt the commentator, this video is 8 years old, AND this video is the first ever english commentary ever posted on youtube, so I think its kind of pointless to be giving him advice.

[@ZWCoolkid]

Agreed, Boxer's micromanagement will always be impressive, but his macro (as was everyone's) was sorely lacking back in these days.

[@Tom0000]

also, i have a question...what was boxer doing while he was in blackman's base? i guess macro+micro didnt happen..just micro

[@yawnyda1st]

LMFAO... 4:25 I don't think I have ever laughed so hard that I cried while watching a SC game...Kudos to the commentator!

[@ShowXTime777]

@ehnogi read the description. He's not the one that's commentating.

[@benniboi13]

Why did blackman use dark swarm at around 20 mins? Doesn't that only stop flying units?

[@chungster41]

How does boxer always know where the other guy's expos are and stuff? Dont get me wrong i am a HUGE boxer fan, but does he use comast station and the commentators dont catch it or something? just curious

[@DarrenFlood1995]

@RixdorferWurstmusik thanks

[@LucaTurilli89]

But it slows down the creation of lurkers and hydralisks a lot. ALSO the terran will send enough reinforcements. Even with one CC without expand he can send like 12 marines + 4 medics capable of holding off lurkers and mutualisks and zerglins if he send 1-2 firebats in the bunker. Also he can make turrets near the bunker for scanner + AA and in the main base to defend from both again ;). Zerg hardly will have the time needed to get enough larvas for gathering and buildings.

[@pinoyboxerfan08]

i don't think so. ^_^ i saw videos that did not expand early, early expansion is a bad strategy if the opponent decides to do MM rush

[@stimpackedmarines]

@PackardHenry 8 years ago by my count but that only reinforces your point.

[@Jaysnipes]

How can I watch tornaments taking place at real time and are there any little league starcraft tornaments for 15 year olds? Ill be glad if anyone can tell me because ever since i was 9 I've was so drag into the storyline and the video game, I even hae it for nintindo

[@Kcusnza]

lol "I've never seen such a small amount of marines do so much damage!" Yep thats Boxer

[@gemuesefresser]

the 12:00 o clock position is the one in the upper middle like the position of the 12 on a (not digital) clock :)

[@martino6172]

The time when best of 3 was not yet discovered.

[@Renesis16xT]

Poszukaj wywiadów z nim. Gra z kompem i zegarkiem (bo nie miał chyba nawet stopera). Obliczanie timingów i doprowadzanie ich do perfekcji. Kafejki komputerowe. Tylko w tych kafejkach trudno raczej było spotkać kogoś "równego" ;]

[@86Corvus]

arent they playing in a soundproof booths?

[@qianweijia1]

bunker takes 30 seconds to build. in which time the drones can kill the SCV. althought the SCV has 60 hp compared to the 40 of a drone. a drone has a ranged attack so theoretically, up to 10 drones can attack a SCV at once. 10*5 of drone attack=50 damage right there. there is a pause of 2 seconds per drone fire. so if zerg responds fast enough the bunker will be 16% completed. Academy takes 80 secs.+1 firebat is 24 secs.+ the time it needs to get to the bunker which is about 16 sec. 2 mins total

[@LucaTurilli89]

Dude I am talking about Bunker Rush! IT has nothing to do with the time needed to build guardians lmao. By that time the terran can make invisible wraits/SV/vaklyries also the zerg will have 1 max 2 hatcheyes if the bunker rush is succeeded in the first expansion. Also you will need a lot of time to make the second hatchery(which will be second expansion) and the terran can send scv/marine to discover it. Even if not still you will have only 1 main base with low units/resources. T can get 2 base

[@Itsallover57]

I may not be able to understand those other asian commentators but at least you know when somethings going on and gets you pumped to watch.

[@jaejunie]

@PackardHenry not clear? don't you think blackman would've complained way beforehand if he could hear anything..

[@AndrewTheTransformer]

classic game and always enjoy watching this!

[@waterskizz1]

DUDE I LOVE THAT FRIGEN ANNOUNCER! 6:17 was funny as shit. "i dont really know whats so special about it anyway".

[@BAVtoC]

@RixdorferWurstmusik thx :)

[@eaglearrows]

I think he was talking about the commentator

[@RFToxicTofu]

"Ooooh, hez dropping zere, Boxer is prepared, Boxer is prepared and, oooooh zhe overlord diehzeh. Whe Boxer was weally well prepared with free tanks " >_> What a great commentator.

[@somedump]

@VioleTAK's video description According to Blackman himself from a TL interview, he WAS interrupted and annoyed both @ the audience & the press further on.

[@coulthard1984]

all time classic video with godly mnm micro

[@danielkirk1]

The commentator was pretty good, way better than 99 percent of other commentators. As for the gameplay, black seemed to have been a bit nervous? His micro was a bit rusty albeit better than mine.

[@versagus]

Boxer is obviously listening to the commentators as he responds to the exact positions of all of Blackmans expansions when they come up.

[@Renesis16xT]

The best thing is that Blackman in 2002 didn't have internet connection at home.

[@PremusRed]

ds negates incoming fire against your ground units, except for specific things like psi storm and irradiate.

[@Fama0]

I don't think the commentator is that biased, I thought he was actually quite neutral. The "can he hear the commentators" was caused by Boxer finding his expansions very quickly, AND probably because (the commentator said it) there was a rematch at CS because the players could hear the commentators.

[@ShowXTime777]

please read the description guys. VioleTAK is not commentating

[@Xellos357]

does anyone actually know if the players can actually hear the commentators???

[@zergling6000]

i agree with what you say about the commentator, he did bring up some good (if rudimentary) strategy points which i found interesting but he clearly wasnt ready for the experience of watching a game in korea. why would the audience be there if they werent going to cheer and pick a favorite player and what a surprise that its someone of their own race. Ever watched the Olympics buddy?

[@Near54321]

but there is a map imbalance depending on starting positions because of seige tanks

[@dhkdeoen]

it was 2002. Many zergs also used hydras for more firepower at that time. it turned out that it's useless with dark swarm, so that's why people started to use lings.

[@Legiro]

hotjamz5 (even considering it is too late answer), Zerg must and can easily expand. Becouse Hatchery already gives him a good "factory" for producing defence (and offensive troops too). And even more - its the only way for Zerg to produce forces (surprised if told something really smart x) ). So you just "take average risk" with separated positions of hatcheries and get not only "factories" but the expansions as well.

[@lolll666]

@florida12341000 why is boxer's name boxer when he isn't a boxer?

[@PrinceofMacedon]

The commentary was hilarious IMO (almost as entertaining as Boxer's micro).

[@Alling]

is there a fair disadvantage? :D cool comentator

[@BboydnL]

no actually irradiate doesnt affect burrowed units i thought i was super smart this one time by trying to use irradiate on a lurker didnt work out too well :( and yeah i guess in that case ive played the game a bit though im a pretty bad player xP

[@petvnla]

why the commentators accuse the players of hearing wat they said?..

[@qianweijia1]

1 engineering bay takes 60secs. then a turret is 30secs. then to get anti-air ,you need factory of 80 seconds. then a starport of 70 seconds. then 60secs per Wraith. Wraith=210 seconds. 40 secs for control tower. 80 seconds for armory. 60secs for valk to be built. Valkyrie=390 secs. 80 secs for science facility. 80secs for vessel. Science Vessel=370secs. Don't forget supply depots and the vast resourses to make all of these

[@Undeadtaro]

@PackardHenry except this wasnt violetak commentating :] but otherwise youre correct!

[@basher481]

hey why does he use so many science vessels , besides detecting in the end he had like 5 of them any reason?

[@sadistcobra]

uh...irradiate DEFINITELY affects burrowed units. you don't see the burrowed units glowing but they will eventually die.

[@joker4835]

@OrunitaVivi Blackman is from poland

[@FLASHkor]

16:30 본진에 드랍쉽 한기분량 병력으로 히드라 궤멸.. 동시에 베슬로 앞마당 일꾼 전부 죽이고 3시 멀티도 동시공격 2002년... 다른나라는 거의 한국보다 컨트롤이나 전술전략면에서 2년정도 뒤쳐졌었지. 전략부분은 2010년대까지도.. 위 영상은.. 블랙맨을 아주 농락하네.. 주전력은 본진에 방어시키고 드랍쉽으로 깨작깨가 떨구면서 컨트롤 쇼맨쉽. 후반엔 테란은 이미 보병 공3업 된 상태인데 저그는 울트라방업도 안된상태.. 멀티 숫자도 테란이 두배 이미 GG

[@Athos90]

Whoa, thats really cool that Blackman practices against computer controlled koreans. Does anybody know a way to do what he does?

[@GaudyGabriev03]

and the link??

[@LucaTurilli89]

Boxer had great micro but still I think he could perform better. Also for 2 CC's didn't he had too small amount of marines and tanks for around 20 minutes playing? Like on purpose he wanted to have little amount but fully upgraded. Don't know.

[@digimon969]

i love how he says "Blackman is the looser!" instead of "Boxer is the winner" x)

[@ShiroGomi]

Micromanagement is skillfully controlling many units on one screen, like in the middle of a battle. So, if there were two dragoons versus two seige tanks (in tank mode), the drags would normally win. Boxer has a trick involving jumping to and from a dropship, which is a Micro mngmt. solution to that. The opposite is Macromanagement, which is efficiently keeping track of all your bases and outposts, tech, etc.

[@ZWCoolkid]

No, micro was pretty decent even back then. Micro has improved marginally in most areas, dramatically in a few. In modern games macro-heavy tends to win more than micro-heavy play.

[@xmadnessmanx]

@PackardHenry Read the description please...

[@morqueiisto]

which one is blackman??

[@Heavyarms2050]

we as in who?

[@Jescar]

'That could be a scouting drone?' 'I think that is a scouting drone actually!' 'Oh no, it's a hatchery' 'Ok he is getting his spawning po- Oh no he is not...what a weird build' This guys should do Stand up Comedy for Starcraft commentary

[@eternitynaut]

@BlueCrystalGem Day9?

[@Jaysnipes]

why they say 12:00 o clock and stuff

[@TippmanFaith]

oh cool!! i didn't know sacha cohen's bruno character did commentating for starcraft games!!

[@llollercoaster]

Do you know Korean?

[@Son727]

@FishTurd69 did you get a surround?? if not .. lings will die.

[@jtan86]

Boxer has been one of the best for more like 6 years He has not been considered the best player for the last couple of years though, but probably the funniest and most original. This game was from 2002 btw, and blackman pretty much is no more now.

[@LordMonSeigneur]

No they cant here the commentators , why do you think they are in a plastic box ?

[@Machdude]

The world's best Terran Player and one of the best Micro-players in the world. He is known as "the emperor" and is the holder of the highest win record in the world. In short, he is considered the best Starcraft player here.

[@ejhan914]

i thought those booths were sound-proof.

[@numbers93]

"Obviously the audience is REALLY annoying me. They should just shut up, I guess." LOL I love this commentator! =D

[@LucaTurilli89]

No they don't. The building are great for defence and even offence sometimes like the bunker. Fastest and fully recovering of HP. I think their best advantage is the speed of firing. I mean they always shoot the last moment. No delay time =) :).

[@YumeNoEien]

aww man,.. none of blackman's true potential came out in that game! :( Loved the "The crowd is screaming, but i don't why. It's just a common move. At the start."

[@Phagocytosis]

Hmmm... the z-sound isn't really, like, German..?

[@basher481]

what your saying is true but he said it was cause he thought the players might be able to hear what they say and ditract them although with there headsets and the cubes i dubt the could hear anything else

[@PremusRed]

Yea thanks guys for clearing that up. I feel much better about boxer now.

[@sadistcobra]

Whatever...the point is, bunker rush can still be stopped. And hatcheries cost 300 to the command center 400. And even if you haven't quite developed guardians yet, you can still destroy bunkers with zerglings, hydralisks, lurkers...any combination of the above.

[@hawhawdecarabaw]

where oh where could i dl those AI stats

[@xxxx85]

The reason there is such a big difference in level of gaming between korean and non-korean progamers is that in Korea, first of all it's so much easier to play alot of highlevel games when you're starting to play, at internet cafes or whatever. Also, the knowledge about the game is much higher all in all.

[@StefanKovatchev]

of course they are both wearing earbuds inside of headphones in a sound proof booth to ensure a fair match

[@mariabernadettebredfeldtle4934]

Back then sc was all micro. Who would have tought of 14CC back then...

[@greategojr]

omg. at the begining the commentator said he was going fast hatchery, then he says that the drone is a scouting drone!!