Boy, 12, Dead After Just 24 Hours at Wilderness Boot Camp, Found Without Pants

[@cindygehrke1585]

The Camp shouldn't be allowed to refuse any kind of investigation. A child died while in their care!!

[@Nedkelly-k6y]

2 kids died, 2014, 2022

[@danielg6378]

Thank you I was like what the heck 🙅‍♀️no way should that be possible!

[@jesintajesinta]

Yes how are they allowed to do this? Don’t the police have a right to investigate?

[@Schneiderleslie]

Why can’t they get a warrant? Is there some law I don’t know about

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

​@@Nedkelly-k6ythe first boy that died was in the river for 2 weeks before they found the body.

[@Love_1562]

Parents, stop sending your children to these places !

[@amandaadkins1215]

That poor baby. Feeling alone, away from home, and abused and killed. This breaks my heart.

[@CruzxJess]

Sexually abused 😪

[@novembersky3749]

☹☹😩😩

[@lindabay1491]

The people running this facility need to be indicted for torture, child abuse, and 2nd degree murder.

[@LyricMelodySong]

First degree murder! First degree felony child abuse and endangerment of a child.

[@KindTiffany]

I've never understood sending your children away with strangers for ANY reason. There's too much that can possibly go wrong.

[@sharinnature]

Amen to that...

[@sagatuppercut2960]

I agree. Summer camp is the perfect place for child abuse: the parents aren't there to see anything, so the counselors can lie. When you have 2 or more witnesses against one child's testimony, it's kind of hard to make a conviction.

[@CatBrash]

Camp can be very beneficial to growth but it's also a breeding ground for problems

[@sophiamac9100]

Especially in this day and age of depravity.... 😢

[@CatBrash]

@@sophiamac9100 scary, I'd never sent my children now. My daughter went to Bible camp and they were giving her marijuana

[@Camille-ie8je]

This sounds like a haven for pedophiles

[@seppo532]

The employees are usually graduates of the camp

[@Camille-ie8je]

@@seppo532 Now that gives this place a whole new meaning

[@hestersue5563]

AMEN AND AMEN

[@moonagedaydream-ohyeah]

@@seppo532 Kinda like the Boyscouts of America....and the cycle continues.

[@coolcatzclub]

​@@moonagedaydream-ohyeah and the American school system.

[@Wendy-Williams-NC]

Places like that should be shut down ASAP!!! That child was murdered and everything points to that!!

[@janeporter818]

Facts 💯

[@alfonzo7822]

Yep, they shouldn't be waiting or requesting anything. Just get the kids home to their families.

[@kristin9953]

Exactly! Makes me sick their Website is still open.

[@brittanymeraz8511]

Hold every adult accountable!!! Need justice

[@EavyMuturuh]

@@brittanymeraz8511exactly arrest each and all.

[@SalemSphynx]

Sleeping in a tent ALONE in woods amongst strangers =trauma NOT "therapy"!!! WTF?!?

[@Sunshine-n1n]

Kids that are so violent and out of control has to have something before it’s another tragic parent slaying. All kids are not right for it but some prosper if done correctly. You can’t do formal therapy as the kid rejects it and then build resistance. You engage in conversation and then throw in the therapy while hiking or engaging in activity

[@booklover6403]

@@Sunshine-n1nthat what the camps what you to think some kids get sent there because there step parents don’t like them they have mental issues and need therapy some are just rebelling harder then the average kid some get sent because there gay or there parent think they may be gay

[@spicyirwin5835]

​@@Sunshine-n1nThen there r camps that believe pain will knock the gay out of them. Sad I could go on & on yet our gov needs to get involved to do welfare chks. Or get a bill passed. God Bless & Stay Safe.💜🙏💜🤲 i feel so sad rt now & it isnt just all the abused kids but why dont we allow this abuse.😭

[@moorek1967]

@@spicyirwin5835 How do you know this was a gay therapy camp? Your kids already belong to the government. And we will not end child rape until we start prosecuting and imprisoning for life every person who does it. Society needs to stop saying guilty people could not possibly have done it because they are famous and then attack celebrities they don't like. Two words: Michael Jackson. Until people start recognizing what Michael Jackson did was wrong, then they have nothing to say about any other person because he walked free when he should have gone straight to prison. How did you feel about Michael Jackson?

[@ellzietwinkle1089]

​@@spicyirwin5835Our government that is laughable.

[@Suzi64grad]

My grandson is 12, and has ADHD, with anxiety issues. There is zero chance we would ever allow him to go to such a camp. Breaks my heart to think how scared that boy must have been, and how he suffered before he passed. Finding him without his pants is extremely troubling…..these camps must be closed down pronto!

[@coolchoicebro]

Dude I have ptsd and anxiety from all these monsters in the world and after I found out my own dad was one of them disgusting people who preyed upon my daughter, I haven't LEFT MY SON ANYWHERE SINCE HES BEEN BORN, I will go broke and starve and make sure just he has what he needs before he's LEFT ANYWHERE!!!! He will understand when he gets older. He's allowed to go do things, but staying the night at people's houses or away from home at people's houses for a long period of time is a nono let alone a fkn camp!

[@Elios0000]

the amount of SA that goes on in these places is insane. from the staff and other kids.... these places are abuse dressed up in name of "Tough love"

[@thereseember2800]

One time I worked for a week as an RN at a summer camp and was horrified at what I saw. An alarming % were taking anti-psychotic meds. 1 employee was shooting kids in the head w/ a paintball gun. 18-year-old kids were in charge at each cabin. There were no locks on the cabins-which terrified me re/ little girls as young as 8-16 being near cabins for boys (age 8-16). 1 kid was beaten up for snoring. The owner wasn’t telling the kids to get out of the lake during a lightning storm. 1 kid started a cabin on fire. 1 employee was kicked in the stomach by a horse. Kids were sitting on the floor w/ live scorpions next to them. 1 kid allergic to bees got stung. 1 kid seriously crashed his go cart. 1/2 of the kids were crying from home-sickness. The kitchen was filthy. Most of the kids came down w/ the flu. When the kids wrote letters to Fax to their parents, the owner refused to send any worrisome letters. The owner split after 2 days. I would especially NEVER allow my children to stay overnite at a summer camp.

[@e.c.c.s7040]

MY BLOOD IS BOILING! How the hell is this place still open and allowed to continue. The state needs to shut it down pending the investigation and why are they allowing the camp to decide who the authorities can talk to. Someone needs to grow a backbone and shut them down , NOW!

[@sunnystormy4973]

-ikr ... !-

[@patriciajones915]

I agree, the rich send their kids there, why don’t they take them camping

[@AussieBrit]

Absolutely agree...💯Cheers from Oz! 🦘

[@SandyOhNo]

I agree! Why does this state allow this camp to operate? Department of Children Services need to rip through this place. FBI?

[@gracejohnson2186]

​@@SandyOhNo The state is probably profiting from this camp. It's the sad world we live in now. Unfortunately!!

[@cynthiafain1612]

How is kidnapping a child in the middle of the night - helping an already traumatized child heal? It sounds like this wildness therapy camp is a profit driven nightmare for vulnerable children. They should be shut down and investigated.

[@barbaraschmidt5124]

Sounds like the wealthy parents.....want to have kids but not raise them.....pay big bucks to get them out of their hair, and party on.😢😢😢😢

[@jenniferb2164]

Exactly and whatever trust the child had in the parents is gone. Horrible

[@PamRobinson-t2r]

Kidnapping is a Federal Crime!! Shame on those parents!!!

[@ninjagirl226]

Idk my experience with therapy has been the grief therapist that encouraged me to kill myself. I’m pretty sure almost all therapy is predatory and a waste of time at this point as other therapists have messed up my sister and mother worse than me. I’m lucky that I had friends looking out for me.

[@patriciajones915]

The rich and famous don’t think to well, maybe they were raised that way

[@Winter-Lake]

12, 13, 14 year olds isolated in the wilderness, unable to contact their parents or ANYONE outside of their "camp," with 21, 22, 23 year old young MEN (& women) being in authority & power over them sounds like a HORRIBLE idea and an ideal situation for an abuser, predator. Imagine being a 13 year old girl being isolated and trapped in the wilderness with a bunch of strange men, troubled teen boys and 20-something year old men. I could never put my child in a situation like that. That is a HORRIBLE set up.

[@swimlaps1]

Or even w/older males 30s-40s!

[@deadmanswife3625]

It was the same way with regular Girl Scout camp in the 80s. You were not allowed to make phone calls and by the time parents get your letter begging to be picked up and taken back home it's already over with and you've suffered a week to 10 days in the wilderness with a bunch of Mean Girl Scout leaders😢 unbearable heat no swimming pool even though the literature bragged that there was a swimming pool barely functioning kitchen with disgusting food Etc

[@markmarshall6375]

Cult like Scientology shut them down now

[@undercovermother5243]

​@@deadmanswife3625😮😢😡...ugh...I'm so sorry. I pray you're ok...no matter your age.

[@deadmanswife3625]

@@undercovermother5243 thank you so much. One of the most important things I ever learned to live by is that there are certain things I do and certain things other people do I don't control what other people do and they have absolutely no bearing on how I try to live my life. Thank you again and stay blessed

[@patriciab3895]

They had these same camps operating in 1977 in Saskatchewan, Canada. Called the Wilderness challenge program. The children who attended these camps were severely abused, starved, beaten and sexually assaulted. My father was one of those children. The horrors of the camp cannot be easily put into words. It seems to be a repeating cycle with these “privately organized” camps... They silenced the children when they tried to speak out. My dad recently did a documentary with APTN to try to shed light on the truly awful things that happened during his time there. Thanks for having a voice for yet again, another heartbreaking casualty at the hands of these camps.

[@michelleschmidt2138]

How is it legal to impede an investigation by not allowing witnesses to be interviewed

[@AnastasiaRomanov-w9x]

It isn’t legal. The cops have to get a warrant.

[@KingKongbabe]

@@AnastasiaRomanov-w9xeasy enough. Judges rubber stamp warrants all the time & thats to search the property. They cannot stop the questioning.

[@karenchiappino4661]

If the boy was "checked on" at 6am there is no way that he was cold & stiff by 7:30am ‼️‼️‼️😡 THE COUNSELORS LIED‼️😡

[@karenchiappino4661]

Nancy Grace, please ask Meg these questions: How old was "Meg" and Three and a half YEARS ‼️‼️ Did her parents KNOW she would be held for 3 1/2 years??

[@jamesd.3602]

Exactly!!!! Counselors lied for sure and prob SA’d

[@carlaamanda86]

Agreed!!! There’s no way!!! You don’t just all the sudden die and are cold and stiff allllll within 90 mins.

[@GrammyTammy13]

Yes it takes HOURS for Rigor mortis to set in.

[@carolwilder2289]

So sad!!

[@naelyneurkopfen9741]

I was at Camp Scott about a week before the 3 Girl Scouts were murdered. We were not supervised or protected at all. Our leader was too busy entertaining her husband and teenaged sons, who had no business there. When the murders happened, 10 yr old me decided then and there, that there would be no camp, if I ever had kids. I realized that no one else really cares about your kid. They only care about what benefit there is in "watching" your kids. My kids never went to camp.

[@GMSKYWATCHER]

That is the exact truth, nobody cares about your children like you do and some people are to lenient with their most precious possessions. We don't let our children sleep out anywhere, they have beautiful beds that we bought them.

[@justkiddin84]

Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are VERY problematic. Not all camps are bad-and if you can go and volunteer to be a counselor with your kids, that is ideal, obviously.

[@lilolmecj]

Looking back to my childhood camp they were just very lucky nobody ever tried anything. The cabins were essentially screened in porches! The adult to child ratio was nuts. But all in all it was a fun experience . I respect your choice for no camp, very few provide even night time facilities that can be secured from entry.

[@deborahbarry8458]

Wow.

[@doodlemom4593]

Oh my word how horrible thank goodness nothing happened to you ❤mine either 🙏

[@greggiovanni4788]

Since when can a place just tell the cops "NO" you can't talk to anybody in the middle of a death investigation

[@RoyalJewels-xy9il]

My thoughts exactly!!! WOW

[@Garfin12]

Agree, I would think it's a parent decision..but wot I no😢

[@evaflowervines9520]

Sounds like the poor little lad was r@ped and suffocated

[@coriemcphearson6137]

I'm sure their trying to block with a lawyer.

[@greggiovanni4788]

@@coriemcphearson6137 I'm related to several lawyers including a former State attorney general

[@carolp5993]

When are people going to realize these places are designed to hurt not help. This happened in my state. It costs $715.00 per day on average to stay at this camp. I had already heard about the youngster who had died there previously. Parents were upset their children may have to go home! What’s wrong with people. Sounds like rich people who send their child off with no regard for their well being. So sad this boy at 12 is dead. Big question is how these places continue to operate without repercussions.

[@maranatha5091]

Well, yeah. Camp, school and church are often used as free babysitters.

[@LynelleL-298]

I also remember Paris Hilton did a whole story about this. This happened to her. Two men came into her room middle of the night. This is the exact thing Paris Hilton explained about kidnapping and realizing her parents were behind it. This caused trauma. Others came out too.

[@lizmonard]

If my parents has organised to have me taken away in the middle of the night, I would never ever speak to them again. I would have nothing to do with them ever again. And I’m sure so many kids would end up with PTSD after that. That’s the worst betrayal imaginable.

[@m.htruth8880]

They have PTSD prior and it gets worse after

[@beforeigo4284]

100%

[@documentariesbycategory1483]

You might just be a JD but I’m a licensed psychologist! These organizations are PREDATORY and target wealthy parents with children who have mental health or behavioral problems. They are not a “wellness camp” as much as a bootcamp for “troubled youth.” What takes place at such facilities and camps are profoundly disturbing, rampant with abuse, facilitated by individuals who have no training or credentials in therapy anything. The worst part of it is that because these children and teenagers are labeled “troubled youth“ they are stripped of access to authorities and guardians whom they might report abuse to. Any reports that do make it out are touted as lies by kids seeking revenge.

[@bonnylouwho76]

Yes, they do. My best friend and cousin and a Master Licensed Therapist and advocate absolutely detested these camps.

[@XXScoripo]

Paris Hilton; chad franke

[@truthbtruth8559]

Thank you for your professional, well stated insights. I'm absolutely appalled and heartbroken at what happened to this boy! And without yet knowing this full story and how he must have suffered! My heart goes out to his family. I HOPE that place gets SHUT DOWN and all who worked there are arrested, prosecuted and sent to prison forever! WHO were those 2 MEN who took this boy to the camp?! WTF?! Everything is wrong here! It's a satanic CULT and those parents are also guilty !!!! 😡🥺💔

[@lonniejones4703]

This camp is a mile or less from our home. We have been asking why it is open since the boy fell out of the tree after hiding from camp personnel. Other times they have run away and broke into homes killing chickens and another time a family dog. They have damaged homes and stolen cars. I don’t think they are helping these kids. It’s a money maker in the saddest of ways.

[@snicole042]

That’s ridiculous those places help a lot of kids. Everyone always wants to take away something they don’t agree with. What happened to this boy is something entirely different.

[@michellejarrett1826]

Boot Camp for children should be made illegal!!!

[@honeyelder]

Completely hands down agree. This is honestly obsurd. It's abuse.

[@sasharemez7373]

Yes!!! We need to make this abuse illegal!

[@SalemSphynx]

Agreed!!! Chet Hanks (Tom's son) has a disturbing story on YT of his nightmarish experience at 1 of those horrific places that also kept him months too long for the $$! He's lucky he survived!

[@seppo532]

@@SalemSphynxParis Hilton went to one. They’re so nightmarish. There’s a really well done documentary on KZbin about one of these Troubled Teen Camps. It’s so evil what was done

[@sumudsterling]

THIS IS not a democracy. PERIOD.

[@l0us3rr]

A simple "panic attack"? Yet found dead with his pants missing, allegedly? Sounds implausible and highly suspicious🤨

[@momof1576]

And underwear off? They were raping him.

[@siristar9]

This is one of the reasons why I haven’t sent my kids to any camp and never will!! I don’t trust any strangers to have my kids best interest in mind and to keep them safe.

[@YochevedDesigns]

My parents sent me to a church camp, and even though there were kids everywhere and it was the middle of the day, one of the pastors still managed to grope me and try to kiss me. He must have been around 50, and I was 10.

[@momof1576]

Me too. My kid isn’t even allowed to go for sleepovers

[@stephaniesoutherland6493]

How could they refuse to let investigators in?????

[@SerenDipity64711]

you would think they would welcome investigators in - what normal people would not want the case to be investigated??

[@Stepharoni_and_Clean]

Because they are wrong and lying

[@carlaamanda86]

Because they are doing illegal ish in there!!! If there was nothing nefarious going on you’d happily and eagerly let detectives in.

[@Creole_Lady]

They’re guilty that’s why

[@lillieberger2883]

They can’t refuse a warrant

[@renny6151]

All the staff should be arrested and charged with MURDER.

[@justkiddin84]

Sounds like some other charges need given as well.

[@iloveschicken6527]

The parents as well!

[@itsablessingbeinganamerica1401]

Exactly

[@babettekucera4944]

​@@iloveschicken6527k 00

[@MrPuglove13]

STRIP SEARCHING minors!! Children who are not under arrest or suspected of ANY crime. The police have to have very clear probable cause to strip search adults-and these people are allowed to do this to children? How outrageous

[@EmmVee369]

These places are just a predator designed dream. Kids who have been in trouble so parents already don't believe or trust them, allow kids to be dragged out of their homes showing family isnt helping them anymore, strip searches and cavity searches allowed, supervised bathing and changing, no communication with the outside world at all, local police are made allies to return "lying runaways". Its insane.

[@Stepharoni_and_Clean]

​@Candycaneshalayleigh under age no you are not. You can not be strip searched. Searched yeah not STRIP searched

[@carlaamanda86]

Yea when you go to treatment it’s at a hospital or similar situation. This has nefarious written alllllll over it. These are children. And no it’s not usually drugs. It literally says emotional problems or behavior problems. That does nottttt warrant STRIP searches. When I was in treatment (not detox) I was NEVER strip searched even as an adult. My belongings were searched but not me. This is wrong wrong wrong. That poor boy.

[@bridgetasher4520]

Where did you guys read anything about strip searching ?? I haven't been able to listen to the video yet but I didn't read anything about it

[@Annie-wn1zx]

I have a message for parents of minors of any age. I am a single mom (and only parent). I was in no way prepared or skilled to handle my son’s disastrous adolescence. It was all hell on earth. I considered sending him to a place like Trails or any of the other “camps and schools” for “troubled youth”. Even though I was desperate to get good long term help for my son, I chose NOT to send him away. I decided to stick by his side no matter how horrible his behavior was. This all started around the age of 12 and didn’t end until he was 20 y.o. I survived and so did he. He’s now in college full time and works at Tesla full time. He has a sweet girlfriend and my son is very loving and normal now. My message is this, no matter how horrific the adolescent years are with your child, do not give up on them no matter how exhausted you are, stressed out you are, broke or whatever! Don’t give up on your child!!! There’s a really good chance (even if it takes 8 years), that they will get passed all of it. Yes, it could get uglier than you have ever fathomed. But just make it work!!!! ❤️💪🏽❤️💪🏽❤️💪🏽❤️💪🏽❤️💪🏽❤️🤸🏼‍♀️❤️💪🏽❤️

[@brandimichelleakin9940]

I will never understand why some parents think the solution for children with behavioral issues is to send them away from parents. Separation doesn’t help kids who need more REAL parental time.

[@nursenicole222]

Depends on what parenting has been done. As a nursing student doing clinical in a children’s psychiatric milieu, many (not all) of the kids there are better off without the parents. I know this isn’t the situation you are talking about, but I imagine many of the children have similar issues.

[@lhr8833]

@@nursenicole222 but better will never be wilderness camp.

[@raven4090]

If the parents weren't abusive, the kids wouldn't need therapy. Sometimes separation from parents is a good thing, but not to places like this. Caring relatives or friends would be better.

[@lggr2261]

​@@nursenicole222 wrong teaching i can tell family is first healer medical staff comes second family are life line specially parents and siblings

[@LaurenFitzgerald-gs6hv]

They moved him, after death, and covered up a crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Crosstracy]

If you're the type of parent that will send your child to a wilderness camp chances are you're the problem. Rip misunderstood boy

[@startwithurfeet]

LOUDER

[@laciallen5117]

In 1998 I was 16 years old and the summer after my sophomore year I was whisked away to one of these wilderness survival boot camps in Montana. I can’t even begin to explain what it was like. What I can articulate is that these programs are a simple way for parents to rid themselves of the “problem child” instead of fixing the family dysfunction or their own issues.

[@juneyshu6197]

blessings❤

[@truthbtruth8559]

💔

[@deadmanswife3625]

Exactly the family is like a wheel with spokes. each one of the spokes has to be functioning correctly for the wheel to stay around and Roll Along correctly and it's not the child who's usually the only Broken Spoke on the Wheel❤

[@DR-mq1vn]

I am so sorry this happened to you. How is your relationship with your parents now? If I were you, I would have cut all contact with them for doing this to you.

[@fayespivey4866]

​@@juneyshu6197 Tell it! My thoughts also....m

[@NoelleBelle06]

This place sounds so so evil. I’m so sad that parents think they need to send their precious child to these disgusting places

[@Ida-qc5rd]

The only way a panic attack can kill a person is if they're so terrified that they get tachycardia but are denied emergency help. I'm interested in the autopsy findings.

[@wldncrzy1971]

Refusing to let them talk to investigators?!? REFUSING?!!

[@slysmilincat2828]

They Obviously Had A lot To Hide

[@Just..Me..]

I can’t even imagine how this happens.

[@sharonmichaud8304]

Really though. It is unknown cause of death and a death investigation how can police not be allowed to investigate.

[@Broken_Cracka]

People have a right to remain silent. The staff have apparently told them not to speak but when those kids get home, they’ll start talking.

[@jamishiariley-tq9vy]

@@slysmilincat2828my thoughts exactly!

[@whendis.roberts9903]

Why weren't Parents called right away .......When he had the Panick Attack. Shut all those places down....Today.....He died a long time before they say he was checked on.

[@mindfullydoll]

I know a really close friend that was hired to work at one of these camps and she was so distraught by what she had witnessed and she refused to do what she felt to be cruel tactics to these teens. She came home and couldn’t stop crying for weeks.

[@JenWIL641]

She needs to report the camp if she felt bad think of all of the lives that have been affected by the abuses. She could come and go as she pleased but they had no choice. As far as those kids re concerned she is one of them who hurts and not one who heals. She can be a solution to a better future for kids.

[@pinkpugginz]

they have all the kids medicated, locked up, beaten, and tortured. the troubled teen industry also coats about 10k a month. it a ridiculous and highly illegal

[@shadywillow3308]

​@@JenWIL641Yes! She needs to report it!! Those who keep secrets are just as guilty as the ones actually doing the abuse!!!!!! Sick!!!!!!! 🤬🤮

[@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA]

Did she report it? I sure hope so

[@Angela-ix2ff]

I bet those parents feel guilty as hell and they should be

[@Huckfintress]

How is this living nightmare of a torture chamber camp still operating??? I’m so livid and literally sick to my stomach. I’m so deeply sorry for this family and all of those who endured the abuse of this place. For those of you who are investigating this place and representing victims - bless you and keep exposing this disgusting place.

[@kathywilliamson223]

My theory...the staff member who gave him snacks is a pedophile and he or she drugged the boy. When the boy was having a "panic attack" he was actually being raped and strangled to death.

[@tonyacosta8914]

I believe you are correct

[@karenbaldry8096]

Exactly what I thought. Absolutely evil.

[@darrenstayner4353]

My thoughts exactly there is a problem when you have a staff member inside the bivy with the child. I hope arrests are made soon.

[@sagatuppercut2960]

There would be evidence of that during the autopsy.

[@darrenstayner4353]

If there was a staff member inside the bivy laying on the talpolen and two staff members standing near bivy it could be possible this poor child might have been gang rapped by these staffers. This child wasn’t wrapped up in the talpolin but was found deceased on a mate were he was in full riggermotes. He was found knees on his chest without his boxers and pj bottoms at his shoulder. The panic attack this poor child had was he woke up to being rapped by a staffer and probably got suffocated due to being sabused he suffered by the a staffer or staffer’s. This child was dead between 11 pm to 12 am for him to be in fully riggermourtis.

[@SharpTac]

How is it legal to have your own children kidnapped in yhe middle if the night? How is this not child abuse?

[@lorimiller4301]

For some who might fight or run into traffic maybe they think this is smarter to get them when they safely can. It would be a very short list of children who would need to have that kind of treatment. I wouldn't want to do that to a kid who didn't really need it. It seems very sneaky and cruel.

[@avery996789]

You had your kids kidnapped huh? Don’t defend this.

[@Emolga6274]

Because children have no rights in America , parents get to decide

[@sironagibson7252]

It's disgusting!

[@daringgreatly8473]

Shut all these places down!! Please read Paris hiltons book and watch her show. She shares the horrors of these places! They target troubled kids bc they know no one will believe them and think they are lying. Save the children!

[@sandysmedley737]

Where can I watch these Paris Hilton videos please

[@daringgreatly8473]

@@sandysmedley737 KZbin has her documentary. Then she has two seasons of Paris in Love streaming. Her audio book is free with Spotify premium.

[@daringgreatly8473]

@@sandysmedley737 Paris’ documentary is on KZbin. Her series Paris in Love has two seasons streaming. And her audio book is on Spotify.

[@daringgreatly8473]

I keep posting where to find her books but my comments keep getting deleted 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@debbiedelight7988]

No way I would send my child overnight with strange adults.

[@vanzarockin]

I can't watch this. That poor child must have been so frightened 😢. How cruel.

[@ElsaRose-vq8wb]

Back in the 90's, I told my school counselor that my mom was abusing me. She told them i was lying about the abuse and I was sent to one of these "troubled teen" programs. It was traumatic. They made us spend a day at a prison "scared straight". We were sexually harrassed by the male inmates. It was just awful.

[@brandyjean7015]

I'm sorry that you weren't believed...and that you experienced that trauma.

[@goofygranny1020]

❤ sad you weren't believed.

[@kellyahola4041]

Sorry

[@susankeller3198]

Ruby Franke & her husband sent their oldest child to a “wilderness camp” on the advice of Jody Hilderbrand ! Horrible!

[@DR-mq1vn]

Their son wasn't even a troubled child. He was a normal child. Ruby Franke is a sadist!

[@dranchd6571]

People playing roulette with their children's lives.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

He died when 'attended to' for the 'panic attack'. How can there be no witnesses?!!!

[@kristinecrowley8321]

There is a documentary right now on Netflix about this type of institution. I’m pretty sure it’s called “ the program”. It’s very much like what was described by your guests....being kidnapped in the middle of the night and taken to an institution that has trickedyour parents into thinking they are going to help you but instead you’re subjected to physical, emotional, and sexual abuse. The whole thing, from its origins to the way they deceive parents to the tactics they used to maintain control. It’s crazy. And at the end of the day it’s all just a money making scheme and these kids are left with horrible lifelong trauma. They destroy not just the victims’ lives but their entire family. Really sad.

[@katrinaoliver4167]

Who sends a TWELVE YEAR OLD to boot camp?!

[@JenWIL641]

A frustrated parent who may be suffering from dysfunction.

[@novembersky3749]

parent must be held resposible!!!@@JenWIL641

[@fioregiallo]

People that shouldn't be parents in the first place

[@bridgetasher4520]

My kids under 18 wouldn't get into a car with anyone to go anywhere ,especially a stranger i don't care if they are law enforcement

[@fioregiallo]

@@bridgetasher4520 see no, that's the sick thing, these wilderness camps hire people to come and take the kids. Full-grown, strong men, basically kidnapping these kids. I'm the middle of the night. Sometimes drugs are used. It's called gooning within the TTI if you want to look it up. My best friend went through it when he was 15.

[@terrib4690]

This “gooning” that was described…two strangers basically abducting a child where they should be safest…in bed asleep in their own home…to take them away to a camp is sadistic and cruel! What a traumatic thing to happen to a child who is already struggling with life. So many disturbing things in this expose. I’m so sorry for the boys who lost their lives, their families who were mislead, and those who were assaulted in this sham. Pure evil!

[@djtyner6232]

People have such a lack of understanding of anything other than only what they know and do. 🙁 The child who's parents would need to send them to camp, wouldn't be HOME safe. They would be out all night doing drugs and maybe dying from fentanyl , having sex then babies, being kidnapped by sex traffickers...who knows what. Not every camp is untrustworthy, not everything bad about a place shows up....parents are seeking help.

[@LeticiaSarabia-yb8dm]

@@djtyner6232 Most Of Them ARE BAD!! 😠😠😠💔🖤🕊️

[@RepentfollowJesus]

If panic attacks caused seizures and death and no pants , i would have been dead 41 years ago. Now 2 drs almost killed me by mixing two drugs that will kill you if taken together. Thankfully i looked it up and only took the new one 1 time. They are hiding things and need all levels of police and judges all over them. Ask the kids !!

[@jille659]

I agree 💯

[@countrygirl4422]

Healthcare and the medical system is a mess and it's getting worse. They're more worried about getting your pronouns right than your actual health.

[@marymacgregor6952]

Glad you checked the medication. We need to be proactive these days.

[@theharlequinmuse]

Same thing happened to me with the medications. My doctor never told me there was a high risk contraindication between the 2 medications I was prescribed and it caused me serious side effects of serotonin syndrome which I'm still suffering. It's unbelievable how uneducated and careless these prescribers can be. Truly gut wrenching.

[@justkiddin84]

ALWAYS check meds given to you and your family!! Insurance companies are making it impossible for various Drs to even see what you are taking. Ask your pharmacist as well.

[@karencollins2661]

No it does not. I've had panic attacks for 40 years. They suddenly stopped for which I'm grateful for. Praise God.

[@deed449]

My son will be 12 in a month. My heart breaks for this boy and his family. God please don’t let this happen to another child. This needs to be investigated, and justice needs to be served. 😢

[@latanafowler7136]

Nothing replaces actual parents who are actually involved. Stop expecting everyone else to raise and fix your children. STOP! Take care of your own kids!

[@DrnkTheWildAir]

This is horrible. Not only is this place shady… but letting your child be kidnapped in the night….😮 So where do you send your child to OVERCOME the trauma they experienced being kidnapped for therapy?? What?!?

[@deadmanswife3625]

Vacation at Hilton Hotel just kidding

[@MsAdventure531]

Personally, I would NEVER forgive my parents for that type of betrayal. The child-parent relationship would forever be altered.

[@juliarock3424]

Omg, what is happening with this world? Way too many kids are dying.

[@ganjagranny4208]

Yes and what's even sadder is it's a family sibling that's doing it. America has forgotten what "FAMILY" means😢

[@ShannonBartkowicz]

Right!! Every day, we are hearing about another one...Evil is taking over rapidly

[@jahneastanfield2662]

My concern is why were his underware, and bottoms not on his body? There is no logical explanation for that; other than SA. I hope that there is justice for this young man.

[@nate18268]

Like Joe Scott said it's also possible the victim suffered from hypothermia, people suffering from extremely cold temperatures will sometimes take off clothing layers without realizing it. Not saying that definitely happened, you'd have to check the historical temperatures for that area during the incident. And Nancy is right that Hypothermia takes time. Regardless it is extremely suspicious, either way it's horrific!

[@keririch6358]

Frothing at the mouth with a panic attack sounds like an overdose

[@acdcmiami]

Sending a child away from home and parents is traumatic.

[@lizajane2971]

Not just "sending" them but allegedly paying people to kidnap them in the middle of the night and take them away from home!!! Did you hear that part?? 😡

[@BobbySlackem-fd1uh]

@@lizajane2971some kids need it .. not everyone is as sheltered as you two

[@lizajane2971]

@@BobbySlackem-fd1uh No. Kids don't need that kind of treatment. Bad parents need their kids treated that way. Because they've screwed up their kids.

[@sunnygirl9691]

Children with these kinds of problems have problematic caregivers. Yet it’s always the children who “pay the price”.

[@maybememory1]

Sadly, I think a lot of neurodivergent kids end up there, which is extra sad because they can’t control that.

[@edithtierce8209]

@@maybememory1And yet they were controlling it for generations when we were more active and physics labor intensive as a society… before big pharma started drugging them all………..

[@lilolmecj]

From the perspective of a parent who had a teen who really struggled , not necessarily true. You can end up operating out of fear for your child, other children, or even your own safety. You can’t figure out why this one child who is being treated essentially the same as your other children is so off the rails. Somehow we managed to weather it all and now they are all grown and doing well. A parent is very vulnerable at this point to accept what looks like it might help. BUT common sense, to me, says anything that is that expensive, not covered by insurance, and operates under secrecy is a big no go.

[@beverlyromeo6199]

Not every parent is problematic I have a son that That is on the autistics spectrum high-functioning to his limits. Actually, he has cysticzure disorder and he's a diabetic. I was a single mother all of his life. And I have an older daughter. Which was really hard on her because he required so much attention. But both of my chiturned out to be good people. He still lives with me and I take care of him. And neither one of them are criminals or have done anything wrong in their lives I'm very proud of both of them. It was not easy not at all still isn't but I would never send my child to any kind of boot camp for sure. My daughter went to a Christian summer thing Three times in her life I am not a religious person but I definitely checked into these programs before I sent her to them. She was always happy. She would write me letters. She was only gone for maybe a month. Maybe 2 weeks even I don't remember now. Both of my children are in their 30s and I couldn't be any more proud of them. I do feel so sad for this. Little boy and his family and I know that there are families that just don't know what to do. When they've done everything they possibly could.

[@doodlemom4593]

Amen 🙏

[@leneo1731]

He was TWELVE! How could a wilderness camp be his last option?? TWELVE!!

[@leighmorrison4362]

Parents with more money than parenting skills.

[@djtyner6232]

So EASY....for the parent of a non-defiant child or no children at all.

[@deadmanswife3625]

​@@leighmorrison4362sometimes it's these insurance plans

[@charliechurch5004]

​@@leighmorrison4362rich parents are the worst

[@ThimbleFox350]

@@djtyner6232 right because systematic abuse, starvation, and torture really teaches them to stop being mentally ill

[@Suzi64grad]

Dr. Phil was guilty of sending kids to these kind of camps! One child from his show talked about the horrific abuse! He should be held accountable for harming the teens or at least questioned as to why he did it! I have witnessed on his show the goons going into the homes and dragging teens out of bed in the middle of the night! Dr Phil endorsed this behavior so I can see parents thinking it was okay if Dr Phil condoned it! Horrible!

[@2006glg]

Dr. Phil is a menace, imo, and has been. I can't wait for him to get exposed because he deserves it. He doesn't help ppl - he exploits.

[@shelleyclay1732]

I love the way you care deeply for all the cases that come by you, I'am wondering if you find out the investigating teams are doing , someone needs to be fired.

[@StaceyHarperSoledesign2]

Thank you for exposing this. I am so thankful my children are older. I can’t imagine bringing a child up in the world now.

[@explorergt8640]

"How terrible for mothers with little babies in those days." (Jesus - Bible)

[@DannaK247]

​@@explorergt8640yes Mother's nursing babies.😢

[@lindashortall8761]

Poor little boy rest in peace 💔

[@outof_sarahtonin]

Ik, makes me so scared to have children in this day and age too. Especially living in Texas

[@zzz7815]

Thank you Nancy It is so important parents are aware of these horrific camps This needs massive press coverage

[@jille659]

This camp needs to be investigated and most likely closed. My heart is breaking for this poor child. 💔 I am also getting angry 🤬🤬 just wondering what happened to this poor child.

[@brendamoon2660]

Therapists pushed these places hard. When my step son was an acting out teen his therapist was pushing me to send him to a place called Oneida. He promised it would fix his life and that this place works miracles. I guess it's fortunate we couldn't afford it.

[@bernicedavenport1142]

I didn’t know one could choose to not be investigated ?

[@AnneMarieBibby1966]

Nowadays, we can trust no one! That's the ugly truth!

[@heather4089]

I agree with you, my adult kids 33,29 & 25 were never left with no one besides my aunt and she babysat them since newborn till my youngest was 9. I knew she was going to take great care of my kids because she raised me since I was a baby. Never allowed anyone to watch my kids. I didn’t trust anyone with my babies besides her.

[@ztkrx]

it’s been that way forever, not just “nowadays”

[@AnneMarieBibby1966]

@treeaddict. True, I never trusted anyone with my kids back in the early 80s because of what I went thru in the 70's We live in a sick world. That gets sicker by the day...tragic. stay safe

[@AnneMarieBibby1966]

@heather4089 myself as well, my kids are 37 & and 35. I was super protective. Back in the day. I used to look forward to my golden years, but sadly, we already lived them back then when life was much simpler. Now we worry about our grandchildren, and future children the world is truly sick. Stay safe 🙏

[@BrandyinIndy]

Say it louder for those in the back!!

[@chilloften]

I’m horrified that abusive/overwhelmed parents are able to send their kids away to these abusive camps.

[@Dee-ur1hk]

Thanks for always fighting for our most precious! I’m pretty SICK at what people do to children!!!! UGH!!

[@CaitlinGrant-cb6rw]

My gut says he was drugged, attacked(SA)and killed. This is heartbreaking and it’s great to bring light to it because it seems like they are already trying to downplay it.

[@markharrisllb]

I used to work in forensic learning disabilities with men who were on the most extreme end of behavioural issues. You can’t break down issues that usually come from a place of anxiety. Everything they did INCREASED anxiety. These young people were not joining the marines or our commandos where you break adult men down then rebuild them, they were going for therapy. Any therapy has to be person centred, it has to have a personal plan. When the lawyer said "…Trials survivors…" it sent a chill down my spine. My heart broke for the poor little girl and my thoughts and prayers are with those who genuinely loved that little boy who was let down by so many people.

[@pamelasturgill3883]

How absolutely terrifying to be kidnapped from your "safe zone" (or anywhere) and taken to a random place, mistreated and killed!! I could never put my child through that!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@kathrynbillinghurst188]

Kidnapping…with added trauma!

[@TammySimmons-w7h]

If your parents allow you to be kidnapped, you have no safe zone

[@Linda-pw8gx]

What parent lets their minor child get into a car with total strangers? Hell no

[@westcoastbred7745]

Teen Uber😂

[@barbararecek8792]

Dear God, be with the children. 😢

[@LaurenFitzgerald-gs6hv]

Amen

[@barbaraschmidt5124]

AMEN...🙏🙏🙏

[@AlexaCBrown]

Sickening to the core of my soul. Beyond words, I pray for all the survivors and all the children who did not get allowed to survive, and whose parents allow this in the first place, is sickening.

[@thepassportvisacompany9062]

Sending kids to a correctional camp devoids family responsibility, love & care. It’s rarely just the child as causation of the behavior. It takes the entire family to participate & resolve together.

[@heather4089]

Never trust your babies in places like that, I didn’t even took my kids to a private child care.

[@AussieBrit]

This makes me LIVID. I don't care what your child has done, or how bad their behaviour is, but to sanction an operation where these people essentially take custody of your child and make them feel like they are being kidnapped, in the middle of the night by random strangers...is reprehensible! It beggars belief!!!

[@melissaweatherford9883]

The camp won’t let anyone talk to authorities?? What’s going on here? I don’t think that’s their decision.

[@justkiddin84]

Good question! NDAs do not cover crimes. Is this some kind of religious group running it?

[@edithtierce8209]

The children cannot be questioned without parents present… Hello?

[@amyh3882]

@@edithtierce8209this is a common misconception. Law enforcement can question a child who may be a victim of or witness to a crime without parental consent. This is not the same as being taken into custody and read Miranda rights.

[@wildflower1397]

These places hide behind medical privacy laws and child protection laws. These laws were designed to protect children and their privacy, but secrecy is the perfect place for abusers to hide.

[@ycoyle2803]

Well, if they are old enough to sign a NDA they are old enough to talk without parental consent.

[@Blizzy3225]

Lawyers and court officials please don't leave the case of this young boy like it doesn't matter if this was your relative you'd do everything to find out what happened to your relative so do it for this young boy justice for this young boy and give the people involved the most harshest punishment ever or the death penalty and close this camp down you got some messed up individuals working in thia camp JUSTICE FOR THE 12 YR OLD PLEASE!!!!

[@blazefairchild465]

My husband was sent to many therapists, his parents were suggested a camp out by Yellow Stone. He was sent by bus from the EastCoast , he got there & waited at the bus station for hours before being picked up. He stayed there for 3 months it turned his life around & loved the area and adults that helped him.

[@e.conboy4286]

Thanks for that information. Your husband was one of the few lucky ones.

[@DianeCat]

How can they deny authorities? Parents are trusting their children there and one of them (possibly more) DIED??? Ah hell no!!! GET THEM NANCY!!! ❤

[@Davewutsup]

They have to suspect foul play. There should be interviews going on all over the place!! This makes no sense.

[@DianeCat]

@@Davewutsup none whatsoever!!! Very VERY disturbing. I suffer from panic disorder and I’m 54. NEVER did I froth at the mouth!!! Pray this family gets answers and other Parents DONT follow their lead…🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@edithtierce8209]

How can they deny authorities? Because the children are minors without parents present lmao

[@DianeCat]

@@edithtierce8209 after a child died? DISGUSTING

[@Davewutsup]

@@edithtierce8209 yeah where's the child safety laws!

[@lalajack6859]

Nancy Grace you are my idol, have been for a long time. Thank you for your dedication to these cases.

[@connieluggi4099]

I have severe panic attacks and PTSD all my life I'm 60 years old and that definitely would not kill a little boy a panic attack that's ridiculous God bless his little soul

[@heatherbee4331]

Ya know, their website is still up and they are still take inquiries for admission. It's insufferable! The entire "troubled teen" industry needs to be shut down and opened back up only under strict regulation. This whole thing makes me sick as a parent.

[@helgamcwilliams4334]

That place needs to be shut down and all the staff investigated ASAP

[@pamelabird3008]

Bless this poor little boy hope he get Justice for this 12 year old thank you for the update Nancy ❤

[@ztkrx]

how could a parent live with themselves now knowing they gave their children to complete monsters?!.

[@honeyelder]

How is this even legal?

[@belindabond6670]

It's called money and heavy hitters involvement.

[@gvinar6537]

This is Wild!! Having a stranger come and take your kid is causing TRAUMA!! This is not ok

[@loveitorleaveit9673]

Just love you, Nancy! Have been an admirer for many years. No one can talk about true crime like you! You offer a great balanced perspective.

[@amym.694]

Shut these camps down. I never would send my daughter away to a sleep away camp.

[@CruzxJess]

Girlll, my children are not going anywhere without me there. I homeschool my younger children 5,8 and my oldest is 13

[@mamamia8284]

Some of my favorite memories from childhood were “Outdoor School” with my middle school and church camps every year. Not all camps are bad. Just has to be run by good people with good intentions.

[@snicole042]

No you tyrant.

[@snicole042]

@@mamamia8284I had great times at camp. These people are reactionary with their feelings. There will be nothing left for children to enjoy because of people like this.

[@wandacason1792]

Absolutely outrageous! PLEASE stay on this case.

[@Davewutsup]

How can a so-called kids camp staff, reject investigation interviews? If that is true, then they can get away with anything unlawful. 🧐💥

[@BettyWhite2171]

There's a lot of money involved. These places are not cheap. Probably some powerful people being payed off to zip it 🤐.

[@MsRotorwings]

They were juveniles so the investigators may have been required to obtain parental consent. The staff at Trails may have coerced or threatened the kids not to “volunteer” to talk.

[@TheSamjane4]

They only need to come back with a warrant .. they’ll get in eventually

[@lizajane2971]

Maybe they're covering for another kid who did it who has powerful parents. Guessing they lawyered up immediately

[@Stopthisrightnow560]

Nancy, your rage is palpable and it's the energy we all need to bring. Thank you for your endless work. ❤

[@Schneiderleslie]

Why can’t the police take out a warrant on this “camp”