How To Build a Thrust Vectored Model Rocket - National Rocketry Conference 2020

[@CopenhagenSuborbitals]

Thanks for the shoutout there, Joe!

[@jagdishahire8104]

I am also your watchers

[@CopenhagenSuborbitals]

@@jagdishahire8104 We appreciate it!

[@finnch4586]

=D

[@russkiyraketa2621]

This man could have kept all this to himself and let other struggle. A SAINT

[@snarfmcsnarf7383]

"the files for this are available on my website" ....... for $35 lol

[@fraserbc]

@@snarfmcsnarf7383 So? This is literally his full-time job

[@paugasolina5048]

@@snarfmcsnarf7383 lmao, hes just trying to make money with his half knowledge.

[@marcusscaff00]

u can study this from books and KZbin

[@lets_play4288]

@@marcusscaff00 Hey this uy puts it tgether and makes it TONS easier to make something like this.. Even i tried the youtube+books way and its a pain to put it together ad the books cost too but then i found this miracle guy and he saved a centuries worth of pain So please, lets appreciate hin!

[@KCM25NJL]

From a guy who is at a really low point in his life .......... you give me hope and inspiration to chase undreamt dreams!

[@georgedoolittle7574]

*once posted on KZbin these are toys no more.* The fact remains what the World bankrupts their entire People can indeed be done without any theatrics whatsoever. Sadly our position in life is so much a construct of what we *think* the Media thinks we want instead of in fact thinking what any of us both collectively and individually want.

[@jeffvader811]

@@georgedoolittle7574 You just posted cringe.

[@georgedoolittle7574]

@@jeffvader811 *just do what your told and you'll be fine* indeed..

[@jeffvader811]

@@georgedoolittle7574 Ah yes, I too understand S O C I E T Y.

[@nolansprojects2840]

Martin Lydon Hey random stranger, I do not know what you are going through, but I know what I went through. If you are similar to how I felt then you are probably really depressed, feel alone, and anxious, and maybe even going a little insane... and I am not here to tell you it is as simple as continuing living. It’s not. You probably need a big change in your life. New job, different classes, or whatever. My point is that you just need to be patient and work with what you have. For me, I changed programs in school from mechanical engineering into the automation field. All of a sudden I was doing stuff I couldn’t have imagined months before. It made me excited everyday to wake up and go to school, or now a days, work! The truth is that it’ll be a difficult road, but you stick to that road, and you may find an intersection full of options. Options that you will look at and say “It was all worth it. All the pain, the loneliness, the sadness, it was worth it.”. It made me see life in a new light. Like I had a purpose. I hope at the very least my message gives you hope, and it helps you understand that you aren’t alone in that feeling, and that there will be a silver lining. It took me two years and I still have days where I feel beaten. But I have more days where I feel like a king, where the world can’t stop me from being glad, and I hope you get to that point too. Because there truly is no better feeling than knowing you conquered your lowest point in life.

[@HunterGeophysicsAustralia]

Finally, a clear explanation of what a PID controller is and how it works.

[@OrionAerospace]

The comment the guy at the end made sums it up really well it’s so cool to see the progress over the three NARCON presentations! Can’t wait to see the next one man!

[@abdulmulkipurnama5896]

Here we go again, science class on KZbin. You have done such a great work. Thank you for sharing. God bless you!

[@alessi4249]

"I'm being really 𝘦𝘹𝘩𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 by covering all of this stuff" lol

[@Silverlightnick]

that's why you need an engineering degree

[@viralvidsrepository4632]

@@Silverlightnick Yes like Elon.

[@Bob-rh9fk]

@@viralvidsrepository4632 He doesn't have an engineering degree. He has a degree in physics and used that as a solid foundation to learn about rocketry.

[@viralvidsrepository4632]

@@Bob-rh9fk Unnecessary.

[@Bob-rh9fk]

@@viralvidsrepository4632 What is?

[@simon7762]

By the way: You would make a great teacher / professor!

[@EliasProbst]

He already is, just in a different setting than we're traditionally used to and without the formal titles...

[@SavinelliMike]

Great work, Joe. For someone that isn't formally trained in this field, you're really knowledgeable and doing a great service to the hobby and community. The comments and evident respect from those present are a clear testament to your contributions and growing expertise. Well done and keep it up!

[@krellon]

I see what he did at 3:38 lol "Being really exhaustive" :P

[@williamfalconerbeach]

Oh hey its that milk guy

[@ShivamKumar-rw8wm]

😂😂😂

[@bugass81]

seriously tho, where is the sequel?!?!?

[@simonabunker]

Maybe he needs to fly a rocket on presurised milk?

[@bugass81]

@@simonabunker Nah, that'd probably clog valves and it won't be as good as a water rocket. Milk is surprisingly sticky.

[@simonabunker]

@@bugass81 Not even low fat? I still think it needs to be tried - for science! There are some interesting propellants in this test, but not milk yet kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYKyd2eqpqeIn9U

[@sande623]

wow, the way you tell everything, etc is so exciting! And now that you share all these things with us is so cool.

[@HarshRaj-lq2fl]

THIS IS TYPE OF CLASS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND EVEN ON SUNDAYS ONE REQUEST PLEASE MAKE A WEBINAR ON THE THE TOPICS THAT YOU LEFT INCOMLETE.

[@pradyunsharma2903]

Joe please make these type of videos (educational types) more often so that we get help to build our own rockets. BTW THANKS FOR UPLOADING SUCH A GREAT CONTENT.

[@kubahajkus]

Really cool PID explanation. And btw your progress on Sprite is amazing. I don't know what's your plans for the future, but with all that knowledge BPS might be within few years delivering components or services for commercial cargo landers (moon or planetary stuff). Am I crazy? 🤔

[@simon7762]

Youre an inspiration. I'm not planning on going into rocketry right now, but your spirit and drive is remarkable!

[@JackOHaraEngineering]

3:25 currently at Florida tech, doing a design project on point to point launch and landing at the model scale. Was genuinely shocked when you mentioned vector bravo! Good vid

[@EEDionysus]

I finally understand calculus now after watching a video on rocket science. :p

[@akhilc8381]

I was watching your 2019 conference then suddenly notification of this vid.. Came😎😎😊😊

[@buffkonradin]

Akhil C Me too. This is my source of sexual satisfaction

[@honkhonk8009]

This guy explains this stuff so well its insane. I hate learning from Academia because they love to muddy the language with all sorts of words and stuff, that you just lose sight of what their tryna teach. This dude is like the feynmann of model rocketry lol.

[@RobinMalfait]

I love how the bald guy with the red shirt is nodding approvingly!

[@animationspace8550]

Scott Manley, is that you?

[@energyphysicsllc8322]

That is likely Trip Barber of NOVAAR#205. He is an MIT graduate, ex Naval ship commander, and has been doing rocketry and NARAMs for 50 years, Since NARAM-10. He has seen, experimented, and experienced presentations of most of the R&D papers and experiments submitted by NARAM R&D researchers regarding TVC and guidance of model rockets. His nodding is recognition of the process historically, so he is very well aware of the TVC projects before and since Joe's projects. He chronologically and topically compiled all of the R&D reports of NAR since 1957. The following is just the section of papers and flown NARAM projects regarding guidance and control of model rockets Joe was likely using as process knowledge and research resources. Guidance: Active Guidance & Dynamic Flight Mechanics for Model Rockets, David Ketchledge, HPR Jul 93, 17p. Analytic Study of a Pendulum Guidance System in a Model Rocket, Don Venhaus, MITCON Proceedings 74, 2p. An Electrolytic Guidance Unit, Peter Sauer, MITCON Proceedings 73, 1p. A Guidance System for Model Rockets, Alan Bilger, MR May 74, 5p; ltr response, Mike Wende, MR Feb 75, 2p. Ram Air as a Method of Rocket Control, Forrest Mims; Part 1, MRM Feb 70, 5p; Part 2, MRM Mar 70, 3p. Rollerons: Simplified Roll Control for Amateur Rocket Vehicles, David Crisalli, HPR May 96, 6p. Vertical Trajectory Guidance System, Steve Ainsworth, HPR Mar 99, 6p. Capacitor Discharge Guidance, Forrest Mims, MRM Nov 70, 2p. Development of a Sun-Based On-Board Guidance System, George Gassaway, NAR TR-204; NARAM 30 R&D, 1988. Sun-Seeking Guidance System for High-Power Rockets, David Mandot, HPR Nov 96, 5p. Gyroscope-Controlled Guidance System, Steve Ainsworth & Brian Riordan, HPR Nov 96, 4p. Development of a Gimbaled Engine Mount for Use in Guided Rockets, Zunofark Team, NARAM-31 R&D, 1989. Gimbaled Propulsion, Dave Gianakos, HPR May 93, 3p. Active Stabilization Flight Computer, Brian Guzek, NARAM 51 R&D, 2009. Electronic Stabilization of a Rocket, Alyssa Stenberg, NARAM 55 R&D, 2013. Gyro Guidance System in Rocket Gliders, Alyssa Stenberg, NARAM 56 R&D, 2014.

[@Shreyashnthemhose]

I just noticed

[@leonstansfield]

Just wanna appreciate how you use metric.

[@jonathanrabe3727]

Was gonna say the same.. beat me by 4weeks lol

[@slimxshady6111]

Physics is all metric which I am glad is.

[@kaanturkover]

Metric is easier to learn

[@TheIBeanz]

Agreed. Last thing we need ist for velocity to be represented by (royal public hair length)/(time until a stone dropped from the tower of London hits the ground)

[@mrndreams_]

@@TheIBeanz Hasn't the UK always used metric?

[@flwi]

That is one of the best explanations of a PID controller I've seen so far. Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge!

[@user-th6tc5un1s]

The way you've cleaned this up and composited it make it great to watch- thank you for that and the content!

[@rorypenstock1763]

This contains a very good explanation of how PID controllers work. Thank you.

[@NomenNescio99]

It's actually one of the better I've seen.

[@ClaytonEbeling]

None of your "rough video quality" impacted your presentation in a negative way for me. Great job!! I edit "rough" videos of others all the time. You Rock Joe! PS: try unplugging the HDMI and reinserting next time, could be a quick fix for screen issue.

[@brian8614]

i've been waiting for this presentation you do every year in march :)

[@pratikdedhia]

Your way of teaching/presenting is excellent, calm and humorous and addictive. Thanks a lot.🙌

[@bumblybeenard]

This presentation was very high quality! The slideshow was also the most coherent and easily readable slideshow I have ever seen. Great Work!

[@moodmaker2796]

I'm a D to F candidate in math and physics (by idleness)... and I still watched the whole thing listening to a whole bunch of words I only have vage concepts of in my head and I still enjoyed his enthysiasm. xD

[@kritikusi-666]

This right here...ladies and gentleman is why we need to pay educators top dollar. This is how you move the generations to the next level.

[@diegoeche]

Wow, one of the best explanations of PID control out there! :D

[@Brixxter]

Brilliant presentation, especially loved your summary of PID control. I've been tinkering with GNC in Simplerockets 2 (which is basically a more technical version of KSP) for the last couple of months and it's so interesting to hear you explain something that took me all those weeks to sort of "reinvent" myself. It's kind of fascinating how so many people end up with the same solution to a problem.

[@petermeter]

My teacher tried to explain what a PID controller does but you summed it up so much easier!

[@MoonMan22]

Joe you are the man! Thank you for helping push the community forward.

[@rustygoods8015]

That was actually a really good explanation of how PID controllers work. Thanks!

[@attenia]

its just incredible: i just was coming to your channel again after few days so i could ask you for the stuff i need for a school project and now... i dont need to ask you answered all of my questions without hearing my questions xD thank you :)

[@lewismassie]

So I've been writing scripts for KSP rockets for a while now, and kinda got scared off from PID controllers since I didn't understand them. Thanks to this ( 33:00 - 42:00 ) I now understand exactly what they are. I can even identify that I've written mostly proportional controllers, but I also a Proportional-Derivative controller on one occasion. Thank you so much for this. It's so hard to find good verbose descriptions of these things online

[@PlanetCypher_]

Im ½ way through, excellent explanations so far Joe. 👍

[@bruhimforty]

Such a good lecture I sat there for 50 minutes. Lecturing skill

[@scoaty7633]

Been waiting so long for an episode like this! Keep up the good work! :D

[@dukeman5691]

Thank you for this Joe. I started playing around with arduinos a year or so ago but I could never find the right application to learn about and loose myself in. Then I started 3d printing water rockets for my kids. Omw how much fun is that. I'm so glad I found your channel. Let's see if I can get a few things up in the air. Great work man!

[@archiekent5290]

Just starting to write the software for a homemade drone, this video has the best PID description I've ever seen. Thanks Joe!

[@Turcian]

Boy, that integral sign is sooo musical!

[@tec4303]

I think he has a music degree.

[@CanineDefenseTechnologies]

This was great! I love your way of explaining just like any of your videos. You're a great teacher!

[@seandimmock5813]

You're*

[@CanineDefenseTechnologies]

@@seandimmock5813 Word Crimes

[@Partridge22]

10:50 microcontroller options := 12:25 Inertial measurement unit options = 13:05 Barometric Pressure Sensors options = 16:00 Data Recoreders options =

[@andylaweda]

@23:40 now I understand your Tweet Joe ;-). Love this stuff btw!

[@mixsmasher]

“And I’m being Really exhaustive with covering all this stuff ” did no one else find this pun! Hilarious 😂 And thank you for sharing this, I would like to get into this type of thing when I actually have money so huge thanks

[@tylernord4994]

Thanks for the help milkman- The software design has been the biggest factor keeping me from starting a project like this one

[@PamirTea]

These control maps are golden.

[@MegaTRIANGULUM]

Hi Jo! Really enjoyed your talk. Great way to introduce PID

[@MrJetexjim]

this is a really great description of a PID controller. Great stuff.

[@narekmusic]

Thanks for sharing your precious knowledge. It’s people like you who make platforms like KZbin great! Best of luck

[@4ntig3n]

Hey Joe, its always great to catch your videos :) Don't have much more to say... just: Thank you :)

[@RoelBaardman]

In gliding we use the MS5611 barometric pressure sensor a lot. They might be more precise than what you're used to, but the membrane also acts as accelerometer if you have vibrations.

[@senseisecurityschool9337]

Great video. Now that small hobby drones are popular, we have readily available tiny control boards with the microprocessor and all the needed sensors pre-built. Much smaller and more suitable than something like a Pixhawk.

[@ryanbrown172]

Awesome. I would love to see a more in-depth video on the whole control analysis. I’m taking control of dynamic systems in college right now, and I think it would be awesome to see how you solved a real problem with it.

[@simondlevy]

Best explanation of PID control I've ever seen.

[@richardburguillos3118]

Great presentation. You are truly gifted and talented person. Natural in front of an audience. Thanks for sharing it with us.

[@wwanimalsavers]

Thank you soooooo much! I started an aerospace club at my college. We're starting to work with weatherbaloons right not and this talk was a huge help with the hardware!

[@archiekent5290]

You would make an awesome uni lecturer!

[@otiebrown9999]

32:00 Nice Closed Loop Presentation. Explains oscillations.

[@bobmandude9889]

Great talk! I just ordered a bunch of parts for my first tvc rocket so this will help a ton! Thanks for doing this

[@polarisinfinium7022]

Following you from the start,and really impressed with the progress and achievements you have done on your own,this was really helpful!!!👍🔥

[@ivailodavydavy7362]

That was best way to explain PIDs !!! Love it! :)

[@knowltot]

I know nothing about rockets and have never flown one, but I watched this whole video and it was captivating.

[@cameronblackmon9540]

Appreciate the exhausted approach.

[@nirpatel6944]

I didn't understand much of this but thank you my dawg, ima start pursing this

[@francisstapp1583]

thanks Joe this was relay the thing i needed to see to get my tvc rocket off the ground you are an inspiration : )

[@jens-digitalwoodwork9852]

Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, best regards from Germany

[@ngotuanhien]

Very clear presentation on your project! I am a nerd on this topic but I understand what you mentioned. Thank you very much for showing us what you did. Congratulation!

[@manishpingale6558]

Thank you so much ❤️ 😊 Joe sir We all love you Thanks

[@V3racious3]

He had his own little 'middle out' moment for a couple mins starting at 17:14 ::D & P Giggle giggle::

[@mattmartinez3442]

13:10 get the BMP 388- It's basically an updated version of the 280

[@3rd_Millennium_Engineering]

Hello @ Matt. In what way is the 388 updated from the 280? Just asking as I am in the middle of this serious learning curve here. I'll compare both nevertheless.

[@Trumpet12333]

Helping so much! I'd love to see more content of this type!

[@jimballantine4408]

Wow.... PID controller huh? Amazing how nothing changes but the names. Pretty sure this used to be called a servo control loop back when I was younger 😂😂

[@jake4d40]

Love the presentation. answered many of the questions i had.

[@adalke7520]

What an amazing presentation. I learned so much. Thank you

[@ayushkaiwart2451]

Thank you very much. It will surely help early aspirants and hobbyists like me to start with.

[@ianhayden2839]

What a great video. Thanks Joe

[@diggyonyoutube9473]

I love you bps I'm young and all my friends make fun of me but u make my day.

[@jankpanther5410]

Definitely a humble person

[@burnsm2012]

I is what will get u back on track. Removes offset. D is what is responsible for quick changes and future predictions. However it will/can cause “windup” the fastest, and needs to be looked at closer than I. Windup will occur faster with D than anything.

[@otiebrown9999]

39:00 Excellent, clear.

[@scoaty7633]

And this video is helpful! i just started to learn c++ and i made a board like the blip one!

[@JamesCutts22]

Very clear and concise presentation, Thanks!

[@HardCoil]

Thanks, that's a very understandable explanation of PID controllers.

[@gregzsidisin]

Great info - thanks! One thing: at engine burnout, at any real velocity, there's usually quite a large deceleration. I'm confused by the statement around the 22:00 mark that acceleration at burnout is zero. So this assumes a positive acceleration only, yes? This negative acceleration (deceleration), of course, has been long used to actuate staging switches in model rockets (originally, mercury switches).

[@EieghtD]

So excited for this

[@amka986]

Definitely gave me the motivation to start. Thumbs up!

[@davidomego]

Yayy Joe Barnard!!!

[@velocitylaunchsystems]

what i find to be awesome about Joe Barnard is how he says smart stuff in a funny way. He always gets to the point, but usually throws a laugh in their. its not a skill many posses.

[@charlesroydubuc4870]

PID class in 10 minutes..💪🏻

[@lorenzweb]

3:37 pun of the year :D

[@nikoheinz1213]

Awesome explanation I'm currently trying to build my first tvc controlled rocket and it already helped a lot. But I have one question if you're simply adding the derividive back into the loop you'd get, in your example, 1°+2°=3°. wouldn't that mean that you're accelerating even more since you're pushing the engine even further outwards Did I miss something or is there another problem I just don't see.

[@RaniSingh-uc7ky]

Best teacher ever

[@dianagastrin6465]

You;re a great lecturer & it was very interesting :)

[@velocitylaunchsystems]

Joe Barnard is the elon musk of the model rocket world

[@b5a5m5]

25:10 Can't use acceleration to detect apogee. After MECO the acceleration, disregarding any aerodynamic forces, is constant, gravitationally constant. Velocity you'd need a GPS chip to detect, which again would basically be using altitude measurements to get vertical velocity, which comes from a series of altitude datapoints to extrapolate out the velocity at which point your base data is just altitude again but at a higher cost (gps chip & antenna) so why not just use the altitude points directly & for cheapness use a barometer for altitude detection. If you wanted a less reliable way I suppose you could try and detect apogee by detectiong when forces on rocket are basically absolutely zero due to no more drag from air resistance, but that doesn't seem reliable at all.

[@christophergrove4876]

This was TERRIFIC! I have only one suggestion and that is to balance a broomstick (preferably on your nose) as a graphic representation of the forces and logic (and difficulty) involved! 👍😎