Brandon Perna Gets HONEST About the Russell Wilson Era (Grossi Perna Show)

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[@jeffreywingham5302]

Giving an extension to his contract prior to playing 1 snap was idiotic. This team deserves what they got.

[@derekwilliams4996]

Far worse decision than the trade itself.

[@jonmiller4361]

Only reason a team does that is because they want to beat other teams to signing their qbs, setting a higher level contract than they could have negotiated if they'd waited. It was a wise and pretty standard operation... That backfired in their face lol.

[@marcosmercedesn]

Getting married without even knowing the name or face of the bride.

[@EGOlave-os6ve]

You guys are more informed and talented about football than most of these media news.

[@STRKLLR]

When I (Seahawks fan) heard that we traded him my reaction was “what did we get?”. Then when he was re-signed I laughed LOUD!

[@terryrodgers9560]

If I was Russel Wilson I would be laughing till i cry everyday, you're telling me you gonna pay me 28 mil to just sit on the bench, not expose my body when im perfectly healthy, idk how he keeps a straight face about it honestly lol

[@thekingbarrelmaker7642]

So are we just gonna ignore that Tom thought that the AFC West was going to be a tough division last year?

[@rontheauraknight9606]

To be fair going in last year it looked like the entire division built up and the Chiefs got weaker. It did help that all those offseason acquisitions failed those teams

[@nickmontanabass]

Same with Urinating Tree thinking that the Broncos were going to win the division last year

[@therealetp1303]

Didn’t everyone?

[@shayneoliver8825]

Everyone did. The Chiefs are perennial superbowl contenders, and the rivals brought in 1 billion dollars in talent in 1 offseason. Russel Wilson, Davante Adams, Khalil Mack, JC Jackson, Randy Gregory, Chandler Jones. Its what made it even funnier the chiefs had the division locked away by thanksgiving

[@foxfire1112]

I'm sure you did too but you don't have a KZbin

[@KLeeMr]

Perna nailed it. If Russ was a rookie, he’d be the toast of the town. The problem is you’re not looking at an ascending player who has a couple of holes in his game to patch up. He’s in year 11. You’re watching his descent. His game is developing new holes and the existing holes are getting bigger. Defenses in this League are just too damn good to mask his limitations anymore. He knows it. That’s why he plays scared.

[@tedmich]

as it turned out he played "scared" because his team wanted him to fail.

[@rabbitsrunning6642]

You're kidding right??

[@rabbitsrunning6642]

@klee

[@KLeeMr]

@@tedmich False. He was seeing ghosts and running into sacks before going to Denver.

[@KLeeMr]

@@rabbitsrunning6642 Kidding about what?

[@willanrac]

To be fair now that we are seeng shit air out, its no wonder wilson had a hard time seeing shit with this info in the back of his head that office wants him out at week 8 with threat to bench and still goes on a win streak. They want to cut the mans injury clause the year after he is concussed. Payton was playong safe ball because he doesnt want russ injured this season so they can move off him. And they were still winning games. Denver did not give a shit about this year and had already written it off by mid season.

[@FrosteeWusky]

Another absolutely correct statement 👏👏

[@america1st721]

watching perna squirm is priceless.

[@UvReflexes]

Whatever you think of Russ, I think he is just being used as a scapegoat by Payton. There are plenty of problems in Denver, but his playcalling and the way he runs the team deserves equal amount if not more criticism since he had the whole year to work him and figure this out. He clearly has not been a fan since day 1 so I question how much he even wanted Russ to succeed when all he did was force him to throw to RBs unless they had no other choice to throw it deep. Shocker when those got easily read.

[@FrosteeWusky]

Absolutely correct statement 👏👏

[@LunaticTheCat]

Brandon is doing everything he can to not criticize Payton and the way he has handled this situation.

[@MarioCindric]

Perna is great KZbinr, I Like his channel a lot, but he has no clue about sport or football. He was that kid that was selected last at Gym class. Any person who played sport at any level can tell you that this is situation where player was sabotaged by coach. Happens at many levels in many sports (example like this I can give you for Ibrahimović and Guardiola in Barcelona if you follow football). At lower levels or leagues of professional sport is even more common. Same goes for opposite direction, team can tank and mine coach if they don't like him, I think that happened to Raiders and Chargers this season, you can literally see at body language of players that they are performing better and playing with more desire. Players also know how to lose a game and nobody can prove they did that intentionally.

[@SkunkLifeMedia]

Sabotaged by the coach...JFC...stop drinking the Wilson Camp kool aid and just...I dunno....watch. the. fucking. games. Russ aint it.@@MarioCindric

[@lmnisop5516]

Payton might suck. People say Bill was only good because of Brady but at least they got 6 championships. Brees and Payton only got 1, and Brees was definitely good enough to win 2

[@MarioCindric]

​@@SkunkLifeMedia What games did you watch??? Every game Broncos are trying to run the ball for 3/4 and than in last 1/4 Let Russ save us. 80% pf play calls are run run pass. Broncos have below avg. running game with just 4.2 yards per carry and no.1 RB Williams has 3.7 Yards per carry. And than in last 1/4 Perine is coming to save Payton and Perine is avg 5.2 Yards per carry, but I guess benching Williams isn't something what came to Payton's mind. Also Williams has only 2 Rushing TDs. Do you know who has more rushing TDs than Williams? Frickin Russ who sucks. Broncos Defense ia at bottom 5 whole season, when they were able to play decent games, Russ won the games. Guess what also, he leads the NFL in game winning drives this season, without him, Broncos would be 4-11 or 3-12, Panthers and Bears level. Russ also is top 5 QB in Red Zone, 20 TDs, 3 rushing TDs, 63% comp. and only 1 INTs (which came against Texans as last play of the game). And all of that with just 1 good WRs, without TEs and with horrible OL, Broncos OL is awful for several years. You don't good numbers with bad roster and team by playing bad, that's impossible. Broncos Special teams are also below avg. So point me any player or unit that played better than Russ. I know 1. You haters all know is talk about your feelings, when somebody face you with FACTS, you have no answer.

[@bryancecancino3220]

@@MarioCindricour o line is 7th best based off PFF so I think I lean to Russ not being able to throw over the middle.

[@mysteriousviper8]

The sad part, is it isn't Russ. This offense has been horrible since 2016. We've had a horrible offensive line since then. And just put place holders in for each one we get rid of. And Sutton has been inconsistent, people want to blame QB play. But how come it never changes with different QBs? It's because the offense as a whole is horrible and needs to be rebuilt.

[@scottwagner2566]

I really think both the Broncos and my Panthers were cursed at Super Bowl 50.

[@imanoldurango8213]

Russ definitely deserves some blame. If you saw his last year at Seattle you wouldn’t want him. Rams I felt that same way when the broncos got him. Why do you want damaged goods that beat your ass in the SB

[@howdareyouexist]

except part of it is him. seahawks and carroll were right

[@bradleyhymen9687]

I agree. Hopefully this is Sean going about putting HIS offense together next year. At least it better be or he'll have to take a hike too. Ten years of offensive garbage is enough.

[@rishishard4742]

I think the line has been improved but generally your correct. Severe lack of offensive talent these past years

[@jacal420]

I'm embarrassed by our coach and our organization. "Sign this if you ever want to play again". That's straight Suge Knight tactics.

[@LunaticTheCat]

Facts, Ryan Clark said it best, Sean Payton has been acting like a THUG ever since he arrived in Denver. He was a pos in New Orleans, and he's a pos in Denver.

[@NLSNcs]

​@@LunaticTheCatthe broncos ownership was asking russ to waive his clause, so if you think thst about Payton you must despise walmart

[@BoleDaPole]

When did Sean Peyton hang Wilson off a 20 story building?

[@jacal420]

@@BoleDaPole the day he walked in the office

[@johnparker3111]

I hope Wilson catches on with a team with a good O Line and running game. He should do good with a solid O Line and a running game. His contract - especially the injury clause - was just over the top. Can't rebuild with that kind of debt load.

[@KidFury27]

Russ was Sean's scape goat for how bad he fucked up the pats game call. Just a super expensive fall guy. Not surprised, but he didn't deserve this outcome.

[@austindolan7182]

he's the fall guy because you can't build a team around a QB that eats up that much cap space. it takes more than just 1 player to win games. if he does land with another team, it's gonna be for way less money than this, that's for sure.

[@Perfumery_by_Sabin]

At least they could get Russ to throw the ball to the RB. He refused to take the check down in Seattle

[@24749ersrock]

He might be a HOF qb, but this descent is tough to watch. He owned my niners for so long but I still feel bad for him. I'm not sure why another team would give him anything more than a 2 year deal.

[@ryanb3320]

I'm in the mind frame that both sides are at fault in this, but somehow Russ is getting the brunt of it. Im pretty sure Peyton's offense isn't a quick learn. Because if you look at Brees' TD/INT ratio the 1st few years in NO...26-11, 28-18!, 34-17. I absolutely do believe Russ is being scapegoated because of not being Peyton's guy.

[@crater044]

I mean Brees had double digit INTs all the way up until 2017. Even still, those numbers you posted were all pretty damn awesome at the time (remember, mid 2000s......not 2023 where INTs are down and completion percentages are up across the board) I think a lot of it is that it's a very pass heavy offense that takes advantage of everything over the field but because Wilson can't see over the mide, it limits his ability. He got by on big chuck plays but he was never consistent. His numbers look better than what they actually are. You could argue Russ doesn't fit in Payton's offense but Russ is still the same QB in Seattle that he was where he got by on his athleticism and big arm......his athleticism is diminishing and it's hurting his overall ability

[@olyokie]

Hey we here in Seattle have loved the Wilson era…….in Denver. We gotta ton of young talent for the coming seasons.

[@NeverSober8008]

Getting destroyed by the 49ers is a pretty good time for people in Seattle?

[@SebastianTheGreat]

No Perna, haven’t t you learned by now? The ride never ends.

[@eva_pilot]

*idgaf Russ Wilson is a STUD n future Hall of Famer n he deserves to b on a better coached team, it wasn't his fault, we ALREADY KNOW he's ELITE, he's been ELITE for YEARS* n I'm a Cards n Fins fan

[@mumbles2840]

I still remember perna telling hawks fans that we didnt know what we were talking about when we said maybe to cool the jets and wait to see what he’s like in denver.

[@SuperMutant2099]

ESPN actually asked if giants should go after him. I’m like oh hell no. Just draft one if you feel that need of one. Fifth pick and who in front of them could see them good spot to get good qb no matter what happens last two weeks

[@gordons-alive4940]

I'd take a shot if you could get him with a reasonable contract. If he's cut, I don't think they would have to pick up his old contract.

[@bashirwhite2563]

I do believe the sabotage. Bro you can’t just keep doing run run pass,but when you open the playbook Russ put up 2 75 yard drive tds and 2 point conversion due to Sean opening the playbook. Like come on now screen passes,run plays, screen passes,run plays Over and over again. And you know who called those plays? Sean Payton

[@seththompson4339]

To say he wasn’t Sabotaged is crazy and shows this dude never played organized sports. For a coach to threaten to bench him after beating the chiefs is insane. I can’t imagine the pressure Russ had each game. That’s bad coaching and sabotaging his player and season because SP is too stubborn to adjust his offense. I don’t care if Russ isn’t his guy that’s terrible coaching. You can tell what ppl just don’t like Russ with their takes. This is a bad one. I’m a broncos fan but I’m going to be rooting for Russ, wherever he goes next.

[@myblujl7503]

Hawks fan. I could tell in the last few seasons with us, every team in the NFL could read him like a book. Not just any book. The kind of book with thick pages you give to toddlers with really really big letters. All you needed to do was put a little pressure on him, and he squirts out of the pocket. Two things happened. Offensive holding, or he dumped the ball to someone close by. He had 0 game in the pocket unless it was 30-50 yards down the field. Nothing changed on the Bronco's.

[@adunare]

I cant unseen the Style how perna holds his cup

[@camcroney7965]

I think it's funny how we look at these big contracts and they are a waste of club money but they (NFL) are making more than ever. It really amounts to a cap issue that is always resolved by cuts, rookies and vet min deals. It sucks when your team makes big cap mistakes but they create the right atmosphere for rebuilding.

[@markmickman]

This is the perfect example of what I think is wrong with the NFL, and sports in general. Coaches come in with a plan and expect every person to perfectly fall in to place. The best coaches adapt their game plan to the players strengths and the opponents weaknesses

[@Mrbigdaddymanamale]

Why would any decent player want to go to a team where the staff might threaten to damage your career unless you give up your guaranteed money?

[@LunaticTheCat]

Big facts. Payton has shown himself to be a massive pos who tried to blackmail his QB into altering his contract. If I'm a player in the league, that is not the type of coach and organization I would want to play for.

[@zachrichardson5581]

Shit I could have told Sean that Russ wouldn't work for his offense. Not just his height but honestly Russ simply doesn't want to/like throwing to the intermediate middle of field. He doesn't.

[@imanoldurango8213]

Russ wasn’t even working in Seattle his last year. It’s so stupid that we sacrificed our future for him

[@bradleyhymen9687]

Good quarterbacks step up into the pocket and make the correct reads and attack the entire field. You're right. He either can't do that or just plain doesn't.

[@IHJello]

Fantastic edit

[@kahunamoe22]

Dude you should thank Russel Wilson. Didn't your channel take off on the back of Russ being polarizing and kinda hated by the other players.

[@jonathandorn9753]

I knew Rus was like this since his last Wisconsin Badger game, look it up, that was a hint of the Future.

[@shadowxps]

I mean Perna wasn’t wrong in a sense. The division was easier this year. Chiefs and Chargers lost a step or two. Raiders couldn’t overcome their own dysfunction. He just didn’t expect the Broncos to also remain easy.

[@Harley_Mitchelly]

Perna... Rule 1. THE RIDE... NEVER... ENDS.

[@ChiefGore429]

That guy giving 50$ then asking why you haven't banned him yet... those are the type of people running the broncos perna.

[@Eddieavina123]

Love your video

[@kelseywhitlatch173]

26 touchdowns 8 interceptions. Hard to think the broncos are going to find better than that with no money or picks

[@fisherfoster6032]

They did that to themselves

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

He could barely throw for 200 yards a game, that's very replaceable.

[@tomjones2056]

@@Dr.Van.Nostrandthis. His stats were fools gold. Russ played terrible

[@Singleballtheory]

Serious question: Does Russ get into the Hall of Fame? I feel like a couple of years ago it seemed more probable, but three straight years of losing seasons with no playoffs kind of stalls that type of thinking. So if you didn't believe he was going to make it based off his career up to 2020, I can't imagine he's done anything since to change your mind. He has such a weird body of work though.

[@shadow_td]

It ultimately comes down to what the people votint for hof believe. And i don't think he's a automatic HOF but eventually will get in

[@Civ33]

1st ballot hofer? nah eventually? yeah, sb champ, bunch of pro bowls, nfl records. he'll eventually get in

[@benhicksbass]

Imagine if he gets released then signed by the Seahawks lmao

[@mustnotsleepmustwarnothers6463]

As a lifelong Seahawks fan I have seen Russ throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage more than anywhere else.

[@skeezix8156]

Well shit he’s got 44,000 yds passing. That’s pretty goddamn good for throwing behind the line of scrimmage his whole career.

[@Outlaw8908]

People are really forgetting that Wilson can’t throw anywhere in the middle of the field. It’s his big limitation, aside from his declining mobility. I am not surprised this is happening, he really doesn’t fit Payton’s offense as a declining Improviser. So no comparing him to Brees is not a real valid argument. Nowhere near the same player, nor are box score stats that revealing. It’s all about the game tape.

[@FrosteeWusky]

At the end of the day, I'm just tired of the shit that Russ has had to go through during this time. He's getting blamed for every single failure that he's been apart of in the past 6 seasons when he's only been a symptom of said failures. Yes he has a limited style of play, but his style is valuable and he's proven that. There's nothing wrong with being a system QB, especially a great one, and I wish everyone understood that. He needs to go somewhere that has an intelligent coaching staff that actually believes in him, not an old fart past his prime that holds a lack of trust (among other things) over him.

[@Lutherson1962]

No. Russ’ pr & fanboys gets all pissy if anyone doesn’t get all positivity over him. The media love to play both ends. Russ is a good QB that is not worth his contract… the $ paid 03 keeps the team from being able to pay others that can mitigate his deficiencies. If he was in the $30M range Russ is still starting until new QB drafted.

[@joeldykman7591]

Here's the thing, i don't think Wilson is the main problem the broncos have, but he certainly isn't a solution. Add to that the albatross of a contract he signed and now theres very few ways the broncos can work around that contract while also trying to improve. I understand the decision to bench/cut him.

[@brettrogers4200]

You’re right about the contract. I don’t think Russ is the guy but they would’ve been better off keeping him and building up the team. They set the franchise back in my opinion because they don’t have draft capital to draft someone and they don’t have cap space to bring anyone else in

[@briano9397]

Raptors super fan Brandon Perna

[@silviofancyboy]

sports are fun because nerds who have never played sports can analyze athletes and make predictions like everyone else. good for them

[@heirrose1606]

Ridiculous Perna thought it was good contract when it came before Wison even played a snap. It's one of the worst moves in professional sports to do such a thing, especially for a player Wilson's age with a $37m injury guarantee.

[@dabbingtoast7743]

The 'Russ isn't the problem' argument I keep seeing is wild to me. Is Russ the only problem? No. Is he the *biggest* problem? Absolutely. He was traded for and paid to be the star that took the Broncos over the top. Instead he's a mediocre 35 year old QB who's athleticism and ability to scramble, his calling cards, have slowly atrophied over the last 5 years which only compounds on the fact that he still eats a ton of unnecessary sacks and he still cannot exploit the intermediate areas of the middle of the field. So yes, the Broncos *have* to cut him. It would be GMing negligence to not do so. However, maybe someone should kindly remind Sean Peyton he's a goddamn adult in a professional work environment.

[@LilyMaeBlossom]

If he was a mediocre 35 year old who somebody simply traded for, Denver probably wouldn't even look at him as a problem. His role in it is something else entirely - some ignoramous traded AND signed extension which is bloody insane. Now Russ did take it, so he is partially to blame there, but let's say Russ goes bye bye. Whose to say Fields doesn't get the exact same offer? Or Trubisky? The whole point of the Russ issue is Denver dug their own graves, and they were coping on Russ being able to patch everything. Every. Stinking. Thing. Shocker, he couldn't. He needed work himself. Now people are pointing the finger for what is a mistake regardless of the QB you get out of it at the QB.

[@nedkent5239]

None of this Russell talk matters because the Broncos have Walmart $$$s behind them. They will buy a championship very soon.

[@BigRedsHomestead]

With a total record of 12 - 20, we never got a positive bathrooms to wins ratio…

[@txgoalie15]

I sent a crew out to do a welfare check on Perna, and now I need to send a crew out for the crew I sent out

[@mfcrocker]

"We're off the carousel!" - Tom Grossi, 2022, pretending to be a Broncos fan

[@ClassicStreetIron]

Now you have to decide which was the worse trade, Wilson or Watson

[@pinballnut-61]

GM Payton made this dumb trade and paid him without even playing a down😅. GM Payton needs to go also!

[@umitsever1692]

Reality kicked in

[@tedmich]

If Sean wanted Russ (or any other QB) to be robot Drew Brees he (and the Broncos by extension) are doomed to failure. Sean is a dinosaur, as the Broncos will now prove.

[@debbiekelley7899]

Everyone acting like Wilson is some kind of Saint you forget the demands he had last year with the personal office and the designated parking for his buddies no sympathy here

[@johndobbs300]

Jarret Stidham is the answer ???? Dude I think NOT lol

[@imanoldurango8213]

At this point I prefer anyone over Russ.

[@LilyMaeBlossom]

@@imanoldurango8213 Doesn't he have a 1 to 1 TD/Int ratio?

[@EsotericSyncretism]

t’s wild to me that last year the media were tripping over themselves getting on the “let’s clown on Russ” train, but now all of a sudden bc of the contract benching now everyone wants to feel sorry for him.

[@ethanwagner]

As a Seahawks fan, I sincerely hope the Broncos lose their next 2 games by a combined score of 100. Russ has put up top 15 numbers and just cuz the organization gave him a bad contract doesn’t mean he’s playing bad. Sean Payton is refusing to adjust to the point he needs the QB he chose to come to Denver and work with to take a pay cut. Unreal treatment and should be a sign to any free agent that your effort will not be rewarded unless there are direct visible results. Stidham is so much less qualified to run a Sean Payton offense, it’s pure cope to think you’re doing the right thing.

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

Broncos's fans don't give a fuck what Seachicken's fans think. Y'all sold us a lemon. Gardner Minshew has almost as much yards as Russ this season. The only thing top 15 about Russ is his contract. Good riddance, y'all can have him back for all I care.

[@ethanwagner]

@@Dr.Van.Nostrand lmao why is Minshew catching strays? Bet Russ has a better season next year than whoever y’all pick as the next QB. I’m telling you, the lemon you bought was Sean Payton. There was a reason he left New Orleans. Not saying Russ is a world beater by any means, just that y’all knew you were buying a 30+ year old, decided to give him the contract you did, now you think you can cry about it not working out? The calls are coming from inside the house…

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

@@ethanwagner Minshew is a fine QB but he wasn't even a starter this year! How does he have almost the same amount of yards? That's terrible. I'd be willing to take that bet because I don't think it's a guarantee Russ even starts next year. I didn't want Payton either. Trading all these picks for Russ and Payton has set us back for years.

[@X525Crossfire]

​@Dr.Van.Nostrand How about pointing the finger at the front office that shopped for that "lemon"? Lashing out at the organization that sold it to you, presumably because they also happened to wipe their ass with your comically overhyped team in a Super Bowl 10 years ago is just pathetic.

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

@@X525Crossfire Of course I do. I've had issues with a ton of moves that they've made. Never wanted Russ or Payton, never wanted the owners we have but at the end of the day I have no control over any of that. Can't stand Seattle so of course I never wanted Russ. I've witnessed our franchise win 3 Super Bowls, congrats the Seachickens finally got 1 and they should've had 2 if it wasn't for that tremendously overhyped QB.

[@KirkDavis1966]

What's the problem is online sports betting/ and refs who are OBVIOUSLY on the gaming payrole..Thier seems to be only one qualification to be one..The ability to go temporarily blind at any given time..

[@justinmaitland7335]

I think this experiment just proved how good a coach Pete Carroll is.

[@specopbookie]

Wilson has bailed us out of four games now. If it wasn’t for his off-script, elite arm play, the Broncos would only have 4 wins. Payton’s offense is vanilla and uninspired. It’s stripped. The run game is trash, the line is trash, and the front office is trash. We’ll never know how Elite Russ could be when he’s thrown in a scheme that’s literally the worst possible scheme for him. And yet he’s still be serviceable. A coach that WANTS him, and will scheme for him, gets a heck of a lot more out of him. Also, no one’s talking about how Payton has HATED Russ since day 1. How’s that for moral and inspiration? Yet dude still puts up top 10 numbers through the threats of benching and berating. If I’m the Waltons, Paton and Payton are gone and building a staff that wants to scheme and build around Russ. Broncos fans are disgusted.

[@Physicmind]

Broncos players will stand with Russ we are about to tank… this move made Sean Payton lose the locker room- mark my words 5 players out with an illness… week 17 against the chargers’ we handled it wrong and now we will be screwed for the next 5 yrs because I wouldn’t trust any organization that wants to go back to negotiating.. broncos country we suck!

[@cmd31220]

Ive watched 2 broncos games with Russ, one was that awful game against the colts last season and the other was the patriots game last week, and based solely on that, Perna is 100% correct. Russell Wilson has NO read progression. He makes one read and then either dumps it off, throws it away, or runs around until playground bs happens. It was so bad last year i genuinely thought Hackett wasnt ALLOWING him to progress through his reads because i didnt think the great russell wilson was actually that bad but it turns out he actually is without Tyler Lockett getting open on that one read all game long.

[@HaleysTusk]

Yes, Lockett & Baldwin were his safety blankets, but IMO the thing that gave him the best opportunities for success was a punishing running game that weakened the D by the fourth quarter opening play action. A stout defense provided a short playfield. All that was asked of Russ was not to get sacked or turn the ball over. But his ego wasn’t content with winning as a team, it was time for Russ to ‘cook’ his way out of a recently sparkling reputation.

[@cmd31220]

@HaleysTusk oh I agree. My point was that generally the Seattle offense and team construction hid A LOT of Russell Wilson's limitations and made him much more efficient than he actually is in a vacuum. Without that strong run-pass ratio, without that elite X receiver (and Tyler locket IS elite), without a run game that constantly threatens play action, without a defense to give field position and keep the opposing defense on the field and tired, Russell Wilson is simply okay and never really learned how to get better because he never NEEDED to. It's part of what Brady was talking about a while ago about bad habits being formed and creating mediocre football (which is why it's no coincidence that of all people JOE FLACCO is currently dominating)

[@HaleysTusk]

@@cmd31220 the opposite was true when they decided to let Russ “cook”. Sure their D at that time wasn’t anything special but Russ’ constant sideline bombs and incompletions, even if some hit for spectacular long TDs, in the context of the game & time management, those 3 & outs due to incompletions stopping the clock meant the Hawk D was out there without barely time to rest and the time of possession almost always was won by the opponents. Russ didn’t understand a stout running game opened up the middle to long field, gave him more time because D had to protect against the run AND win you time of possession. I know it’s crazy to say what seems like football 101 to me isn’t understood by a 12 year veteran QB if obvious intelligence. I can only assume Russ made the ego driven decisions he did was because he started to listen to bad advice, probably from many of the entourage he brought to Denver, that Payton quickly got rid of once he took charge. It’s sad, Wilson could have had a pristine career in Seattle. He didn’t have to go out the way he did, but again, I think that’s because of listening to those around him.

[@trentwise3762]

The contract is exactly why I don’t consider it the best trade ever. But I do consider it the worst trade ever. Like the Vikings gave up a lot but it wasn’t like herschal walker was bad. He actually was way better on the Vikings then he was on the cowboys. But what the cowboys got in return is why it’s a bad trade. But both teams still won, because even if the trade didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean the vikings would have chosen the same players or developed them as well. So I wouldn’t say it was a bad trade per say. But with the broncos they gave up a correct amount for russ. But the contract given before he even took a snap was such a premature thing that if they didn’t win a superbowl or hell even got close, it would be disastrous for the team for years to come. And that’s exactly what happened.

[@fian9]

Deshaun Watson?

[@trentwise3762]

@@fian9 if the browns weren’t one of the best teams then yeah. I mean still a terrible trade no doubt. But even though it has nothing to do with deshaun, I don’t think that trade has done as much harm to a team as russ has to the broncos

[@mikewyd53]

Paton did not give Russ that contract, Penner did. Paton wanted to wait and see what Russ had left

[@glitch177k]

So the Broncos are going to cut a league average QB with occasional elite upside (who they are all already paying) just so they can run an inexperienced qb out there with what they hope will be league average upside? Is Al Davis running this team? Imagine Russ on the Jets... immediately a playoff contender with upside. The Rai... Broncos are going to pay Russ to take someone else to the playoffs next year. That's insane. It will be extra poetic if he takes the Raiders to the playoffs next year on the Broncos' dime.

[@TBM1121]

I could see Russ going back to Seattle for 1 year while they decide who to draft.

[@howdareyouexist]

wilson is cooked 😂

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

Russ would be awful on the Jets, their O-Line is way worse and so are their weapons. He doesn't have elite upside, he never really was elite and he isn't getting any better. Best to cut ties and try to find someone who fits what they're trying to do better.

[@bradleyhymen9687]

That's my concern. You trade him to another team and all of a sudden he takes them to the super bowl and the broncos look stupid...AGAIN.

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

@@bradleyhymen9687 No one is trading for Russ and his contract. I sincerely doubt he leads anyone on a deep playoff run ever again.

[@JunkYardCardGuy]

Hey Tom Grossi...do that bit where you sit on the couch wearing different jerseys...6 times a week just ain't enough!!

[@velder22]

You had the broncos number one in your power rankings for half the season, if you really knew how bad how could you possibly put them on number 1

[@lorenzozoil7478]

0:15 time is a flat circle

[@JustMe-pc2ii]

The October 'conversation' seems to me if they asked him for some money back and he agreed I think we'd be having the same discussion. Nine sets of plays including an inconsistent running game and defense, boooo. This division is not want it use to be with the Chiefs losing Denver should have won this division.

[@n3d_ludd379]

How does GM Payton still have a job?

[@blackandblutoo]

The contract extention really is the worst part about all this. And I'm sure Payton is pissed about it as well because he was essentially stuck with a guy he didn't want who seemed like he couldn't get rid of. Hopefully Stids is the guy if not I guess it's another 2 or 3 years of rebuilding. Sucks, this past month I had my highest expectation of the team since 2017 and the same result happened the past 7 years. Soul crushing disappointment and not knowing what the future looks like.

[@tedmich]

To be clear, Stids is a Belichick cast off QB that you're hopping is good with a stone age HC? 😂

[@aaronfarley14]

Exactly!!!🏈🏈🏈

[@theoriginalsurferbob]

I’d rather be stuck with Wilson than that asshole Sean.

[@Thegreatpnw_rc]

Listening to you blame Wilson for this is laughable. Broncos are a slimey shady stupid organization they are the ones who signed the freaking deal!!!

[@tellitlikeitis1828]

The main stat...wins or losses= playoffs or not

[@rp9040]

Aberica has your back Brandon

[@rolotomassi9806]

Rumor is that Denver are going to take qb Frank Cushman in the draft.

[@TheDriveByGuys]

I see Russ signing with the Las Vegas Raiders or Chicago Bears as an FA

[@pxomise1585]

I was thinking maybe falcons

[@Hawks438]

Yeah Falcons for me too

[@user-qr8ki8ue4i]

I hope he goes to the Raiders.

[@desmondfalakei7108]

Broncos trade for Sam Howell. He’s cheap, short (Drew Brees short), and as good as a fifth can be

[@Heretowatchstuff]

Since this trade happened, the team got a new owner, new head coach, and new offensive coordinator. It’s not surprising they want off this ride. They don’t go get him, and he isn’t worth what he is going to make. Better off doing it now than burning another few seasons.

[@evanfortunato2382]

Aren't coaches supposed to develop schemes that fit their roster? I thought hiring Payton was doubling down on russ, such a mess for the broncos right now

[@vincentbernal635]

Broncos got to fire their gm.

[@donnellwilliams3988]

I will Absolutely loss my mind the my New New England Patriots sign Russell Wilson oh shit

[@blueharland]

Who knew that an aging improve artist that can't pass over the middle would be a problem? Everyone outside of Denver. Carroll was so happy to be rid of him...

[@DeeTheSwagguy12]

Stidum is the answer? PLEASE!

[@sinkfoot1]

When does the Denver defense get “benched”?

[@tomjones2056]

Russ directly lost 3 games. Defense only got burnt bad by Miami and detroit.

[@sinkfoot1]

@@tomjones2056 you don’t want me to continue?

[@Ishai1]

All that talk before the season about how Payton will fix the issues with Russ. The truth is Russ has been done for a while and Payton is an overrated coach.

[@ScholarlyHiccup]

Nah u bein way too hard on Russ. Dude j hasn’t played poorly. It’s not like there’s great talent around him

[@O4C209]

I love Grossi and Perna, but I would love to see the Vikings pick up Russ and win the Superbowl, even if it means Grossi and Perna flip their s***.

[@bofetada6841]

The only thing is they are suiting him up. They should send him in an early vacation...

[@rabbitsrunning6642]

It'll be ok if they do!!! He's still going to bank SUITED UP OR NOT😂😂 GO RUSS

[@louiscypher4186]

I can't believe these comments that are outraged that a team with very little cap space deems it too high risk to play a 35 year old scrambling QB for the last 2 games of the season when he has a $37 million bonus coming if he gets injured when he already has a $35 million bonus for existing. I would have benched him after Miami. Wilson is a good QB, but he's not a great QB and he sure as shit isn't a team legend QB and you better be headed to the teams hall of fame at the very least to be worth $72 mill to watch the rest of the team play.

[@seeddx]

The benching and wanting to waive his injury guarantee is going to screw the Broncos for the next 10 years. If they wanted to part ways they could of done it in a better way. Players talk

[@imanoldurango8213]

More like 3 years. “Players talk” yup. They do. And it doesn’t mean anything. If players talking meant anything then the browns, lions, chargers would never be able to sign anyone 😂

[@3318kk]

@@imanoldurango8213 FA's are looking at this circus and wont want to come here.

[@slacproductions9595]

@@imanoldurango8213those organizations have to throw wild contracts at people just to get them interested. Did you not see Watson get 250 mil guaranteed? Because that is the only reason he went there lol

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

@@3318kk If the price is right they will.

[@anthonypage7969]

Russ has been playing well. Where the hell have you been? How is Jarrett the answer? I guy that was drafted by the Pats, kicked to the curb and sent to Las Vegas. Got kicked from Vegas to Denver. Had one decent preseason game and he is the “answer”? Russ has as many playoff appearances and Super Bowl wins as Payton plus has been to the Super Bowl twice. His numbers are better than Mahomes

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

Stidham isn't the answer but neither is Russ. Stop comparing him to Mahomes also. Would you really take Russ over Mahomes? Patrick has a lot more yards and a lot worse weapons and line to work with.

[@anthonypage7969]

@Dr.Van.Nostrand I didn't compare russ to Mahomes only their stats are very identical this season.

[@Dr.Van.Nostrand]

@@anthonypage7969 Not really and this is Mahomes worst statistical season also so not much of a comparison. Put Mahomes on the Broncos and his #'s would blow Russ's out of the water. KC's offense has been horrible this year due to a bad line and no weapons besides Kelce and he still has about half the sacks that Russ has taken and almost 1000 more yards. The only thing similar or "better" is TD's and turnovers and they're not really much better for Russ as you said they were. Both have 26 passing TD's, Russ has 3 more rushing and their turnovers are almost equal if you include fumbles lost. Russ has fumbled 10 times and lost 5, Mahomes only 1 and 0 lost. 14 INT's to 8 but again add in those fumbles and Russ only has 1 less. 45-25 sacks is a huge difference. Mahomes is obviously the better QB just by watching them play so people really should stop making that comparison, it's ridiculous.

[@livesofthefreemasons]

Owners need to stop complaining about hundred million dollar contracts to players that are generating BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in revenue. Pay the players.

[@alect1953]

Russell Wilson to the vikings. Dumb projection but funny

[@robc9108]

save money to bench him. let him ride the pine

[@GundamGokuTV]

Russ is going to Tennessee calling it now.

[@dennisshipman8823]

I hope Russ goes to the Raiders. I hope they kick the shit out of the Broncos from now on. I've been a Denver fan for many years; however, Sean Payton is a dick. I don't like him.

[@TunaBlanco]

The Broncos brought SP in to fix Russ......Not jam Russ into the angry coaches system. Shameful