Brawlhalla's New Legends Are Frustrating

[@eggsoup]

appreciate the comments here gamers, let’s not make it a space to vent disparagement towards the game or devs here tho, not what i’m lookin to do and not what this community is about. just wanted to share some thoughts on the present, ideas for future directions, and reflect on the past where i ate so much wheat in one sitting i shit myself every couple hours for five days

[@torhundal2182]

'and i am a penguin'

[@PalmtreePenguin]

@@eggsoup thank u so much

[@teequegaming6447]

Nah straight up, fuck the devil, shit ass characters. These days 😂

[@VioletHaze-e4o]

Brawhalla is a social experiment to see if a pair of sneakers is enough to kill a game.

[@eggsoup]

so glad you said sneakers and not boots because of the incident in 2018 when i thought mr. blake’s boots looked appetizing during our semester-ending class jeopardy game and ended up in the ER

[@D3RPYC4T]

@@eggsoup true story

[@lght4690]

Insane​@@eggsoup

[@VioletHaze-e4o]

@@eggsoup Were they though? Was it worth it?

[@eggsoup]

yeah the doctor gave me a fist bump and said he tried the same thing back when he was a kid in mr. blake's class, was surreal. think i need to become a doctor now

[@lincolncapsalot168]

5:07 “queen nai, shes bad” hell yeah she is👅👅👅🥵 (this is all i picked up from this video)

[@sasquatchdude4537]

@@lincolncapsalot168 lmao

[@Xyb3rAnims]

MY MAN 🤝

[@7TheRobot]

🫠

[@matter1171]

Queen Nai being bad is a completely out of date take since katars no longer need 4 dex, and that happened over a year ago. Nai has made top 8s in both 1v1 and 2v2 in multiple lan championships since then.

[@derinasir]

thats all there is to pick up. remaining is nonsense people acted the same when axe was new. only difference is brawlhalla got more popular and there are more people whining

[@mako-w5m]

tezca mains are single handedly keeping me below plat

[@Yvesnation771]

I made it to plat last season with zariel , it was a struggle

[@issacbruhmoments4449]

it is my pleasure to help keeping you below platinum

[@hackalbh7993]

If you’re struggling to get to plat then it’s not legend matchups that’s responsible for keeping you there if I’m being honest.

[@mako-w5m]

@@issacbruhmoments4449 thanks bro ik you always got my back 🙏🙏

[@mako-w5m]

@@hackalbh7993 honestly fair I just started like a month ago lol, starting to win more games now though hopefully I do better this season

[@Deniz-z6e]

I understand that new legends have to have a wow factor, but it shouldn’t be at the cost of balance

[@TGreenieU]

Most games do it. Brawlhalla, COD, Multiversus, it's the corporate greed side of gaming

[@Dalauan_Sparrow]

@@TGreenieU new characters need new experimental stuff so people are interested, and new experimental stuff is hard to balance...

[@bluewolftailbwt1376]

@@TGreenieU i feel like RoA did a good job though tbf they were more porting fan created characters into the official thing

[@moonoftheblood]

Yep, it actively makes older legends worse. If you want new legends to have gigantic hitboxes on their sigs, do a rework on older legends' sigs as well, because they simply cannot keep up. Look at Dusk, for example. Those small ass hitboxes do NOT compensate.

[@notstampgoat]

13:35 What are you eggsoup?? No go ahead please tell us. Or are you too afraid? Afraid that your true identity will be known??? You can't hide forever. The truth will always come out eventually...

[@PalmtreePenguin]

That was me I told him to do that

[@Phoenix-i3k]

@@notstampgoat who will eggsoup be tonight? That’s the question

[@fredili3002]

​@@PalmtreePenguinyou threatened him with a gun?

[@PalmtreePenguin]

@@fredili3002 no on his recent post I asked him to put penguin in the outro

[@abokix]

0:10 every dlight is in sync with him saying "more" lol

[@draxerk]

idk if it's more impressive that it's also live commentary so he KNEW he was hitting those perfectly 😭

[@gustavoaquino3725]

I like how Egg chooses his music for the background, the way it builds up the history with him, going from a "we're fighting the monster" vibe when he is talking about the problems to a happy end of season at the end when he talks about the part of the changes

[@xander6153]

@@gustavoaquino3725 I LOVE HOLLOW KNIGHT!

[@daanstrik4293]

On the topic of broken being relative: I think the main problem comes from Characters with very strong signatures (Imugi being a good example). While for top tier players these differences are relatively minor: they aren’t for your average player (around gold). Having signatures that do a lot of damage and are difficult to punish makes them disproportionally strong at those ranks because people already struggle to punish normal signatures. On paper the brawlhalla balance is very good. In high tier play it is very very close. But in “low” tier play… well, its no coincidence you’ll see the same characters over and over and over again. This is especially bad (as you later mention I now see) for imugi, who’se main flaw is supposed to be his speed/dex. But his strong sigs compensate for this weakness

[@Tdragyion]

A friend and I were discussing that there should be a new legend embargo so that they cannot be played in ranked until their first balance patch. They should add a non experimental 1v1 mode outside of ranked as well so people can actually fully warm up before their ranked matches.

[@eggsoup]

agreed! i think new legends aren’t so powerful that they’re skewing ranked entirely, and i do understand their logic of wanting a lot of data right away, but having a restriction gives an air of legitimacy to the game and their decisions that i think is tangible and valuable. plus if there’s a proper casual 1v1 mode, that would be the hotspot people would queue to try out the new gamer

[@CykaTolas4333]

I mean at the very least some old characters match the hitbox sizes that the most recent ones have, such as Hattori, her Nsigs and Dsig are pretty solid to be that old onto the game, but oh well, BM is too lazy to rework some older legends to match the current in power. They barely did sentinel and only added an extra swing on side sig. The thing I think matters the most is that the newer characters have more interesting skills, more mechanics more tools, like active imput, that older legends (for example bodvar) do not have. And the more tools you have to mix up and less with your opponent, the more chance you have of winning This is why weapons such as great sword are so strong. People just don't know how to deal with them because of how complex they are compared to other weapons

[@eggsoup]

yeah i didn’t really elaborate on that point as well as i could have. the main idea is that a lot of sigs that are comparatively “simple” can be a lot stronger than those with a bunch of fancy shmancy mechanics - so the convo going down that route feels like focusing on the wrong thing. especially when new mechanics can be super fun! older legends tend to occupy the status near the “best” based on meta shifts… just not the top spot when someone new comes out

[@nothappierthanme6146]

Yes but ur argument can be used to say the contrary. Although weapons that have fancy new mechanics like greatsword are often quite strong, they are also harder to master. Yes greatsword can be harder to anticipate because of how complex it is, but if its complex for u, it has been for the other guy that learned it aswel. One could argue that since it takes more skill it could be stronger than bow or sword which are stupidly simple weapons despite still being very strong

[@torch5116]

something about this interaction with the asuri at 11:28 made my day

[@molkwashere]

same fr

[@rielzedrielzed]

ik i love it when ppl emote on egg soup to then be destroyed 💀

[@Anttu31]

THE GLORIOUS MORNING IN THE BACKGROUND NO WAEEEE NOSTALGIA!!!! Got insane nostalgic feeling immediately after opening the vid

[@jadalibrahim8374]

oh mannnnnn!!!! Someone beat me to it

[@leihau]

i love waterflame

[@swirlybulldozer3105]

That gd nostalgia hits

[@widows_tear4533]

your editing has grown so much dude it stood out a lot

[@eggsoup]

ty gamer i worked hard on this one

[@scarecloud2741]

@@eggsoup WHERES THE FART JOKE

[@comradecatbug5289]

Something you didn't mention is the possibility that Brawlhalla are deliberately releasing legends in an overtuned and imbalanced state so people spend money on them and then come with the nerfs to preserve balance and repeat the cycle.

[@aromanticlenfanatic]

i don't think he'd wanna mention something like this because it's a theory, not fact.

[@comradecatbug5289]

@@aromanticlenfanatic Yeah but you don't have to state it as a fact.

[@misterfedorattv]

The madlad put in the penguin request, what a man

[@misterfedorattv]

My request is get my account to valhallan

[@raphmula]

0:07 bro what flashgame is this soundtrack from, holy nostalgia

[@weluv_immy]

age of war or smth like that

[@Bonaby]

My goat put the song list in the description so you can do research what a guy

[@TheTrueNyxa]

I think it's a waterflame song, sounds like Dance of the Violins

[@TheTrueNyxa]

Wait nvm I think it's Sky Factory by Waterflame

[@TheTrueNyxa]

Nvm I was right on it being a waterflame song but I got the wrong song. Glorious Morning by Waterflame

[@celloj3703]

I’ll never understand why they decided to give the turtle signature moves that rival a lady wearing Hermes boots in speed and surpass them in strength

[@Bonaby]

2:55 AM commentaries are my favorite genre of Eggsoup video

[@Aatsxu]

Musicalmulch

[@TheTrueNyxa]

Imugi is so sig spammable and it's disgusting

[@derekjsplayin]

I despise imugi. Every greatsword legend is op, but good lord imugi is so spammable and I hate it.

[@Rotichappa]

​@@derekjsplayin Mako is ass, magyar mid, arcadia mid, jaeyun good and imugi is the only stupid one atm

[@vietcongat5884]

Brawlhalla players everytime bmg release a new legend:

[@vietcongat5884]

@@vinhsannguyen2100 im indeed saying what i want. People just say this everytime a legend get released but after a week or so stuff just gonna die down and nobody cares about it anymore

[@-RandomStranger-]

​@@vietcongat5884stuff dies down because the players get a new character to complain about 😂

[@KashKey-]

Have I ever played Brawlhalla for more than an hour? No. Am I going to watch a full video about its power balancing getting fucked? ABSOLUTELY

[@jonahmyers3402]

I think it’s good for the game, there needs to be more excitement and action, but the devs should consider revamping the older legends soon. Most of the older legends are not even remotely “bad” but it’s easy to think that when the sigs are so plain and dull in comparison. The devs should definitely prioritize a make over for most older sig kits. Even the base model for the older legends need to be revamped. The brawlhalla UI as a whole needs to be revamped. The newer legends show us how talented the art team is, but it’s like they’re forgetting the past with each release lol.

[@Shwerpy]

THATS WHY IM GONE

[@eggsoup]

hello top commenter

[@Phasarius]

I like banana

[@nicopootato2330]

I think there's a fundamental problem in the game that makes it hard to "balance", which is that dex does very little. So if you want to make a character a slugger, you can only give them slow sigs. But they will still have a fast weapon kit, which means you just have a strong character with great stats and a bad sig kit.

[@gonzalocoronel7712]

i like the fact that you put the penguin in the end to commemorate the guy that ask for it hehe

[@SchrodingersTag]

Remember everyone, if the opponents legend is simply better than yours, Its a skill issue

[@nothappierthanme6146]

If youre getting beaten, it is a skill issue mate

[@masoncarriker2255]

00:01 I love that song, I heard it in Geometry Dash once!

[@elechain2441]

@@masoncarriker2255 it's from age of war too!

[@kymaniwatson5108]

Glorious Morning - Waterflame

[@tomioka8405]

it’s in miragine war and age of war too

[@ihuboo6244]

I got an interesting take, first of all, people from bmg, whoever makes these characters are only human. So its probably not surprising they make their next character a little OP because they're also trying to make a unique character. Think about it, I cant even fathom of making a new character while also making a whole branding identity of it with unique skill sets. Whether or not the next character is significantly better by design is intentional or not, I think its a matter of experience and how much time they had as a game dev. The first row of characters from more than a decade ago dont match with the newly released row of the past few years. To me, that makes sense. But also thats just my opinion without statistics and or their reasoning for it. To avoid this complication, surely they could have just made 'rules' to say "These are our parameters for our characters, they have to be equal to the ones we made nearly a decade ago".

[@jacopoderossi7971]

@@ihuboo6244 w take tbh

[@eggsoup]

interesting perspective, thank you for sharing! “out-of-the-box” thinking to create something fresh driving eventual power creep could make some sense

[@nunionshortz6395]

Somebody has likely already commented this but the Seven down sig at 1:13 actually can hit downwards. The flames from the bottom can deal a small amount of damage so that's why the Koji died at the bottom

[@OS_Erol]

Ok no but fr: Raptor and tezca are the only ones actually being played much, thea has been tried by boomie and the rest is kinda just 1 pick and then they stopped, imugi i agree is kinda overtuned but like did we all forget how insane gauntlets were on release? Or how stupid thor orb stall was? Some stuff just is busted on release and then gets nerfed cause its hard to judge balance without testing stuff in a big player pool. Not saying imugi isnt strong but curretn trends show that old legends without a doubt can perform just as well

[@eggsoup]

yeah your last point is really what i wanted to illustrate with the bulk of this vid. putting it all into a brawlhalla centered context is important bc it’s not like the other 60 legends become irrelevant when someone new drops

[@OS_Erol]

@@eggsoup something you missed out on that is very very VERRYYYYYYYY importanttttttt is how powercreep affects Walker attack (the main gamemode of Brawlhalla) because when cross got reelased he was VERY CLEARLYYYYY the best character as everyone obviously knows, i do understand keeping that out so the video is shorter and more digestable tho as veeryone obviously knows this since its the main gamemode of the game 😤

[@craigcyr5800]

I think the power creep in this game has been noticeable since the introduction of characters with directional input moves. Giving some characters more options than others just doesn’t make sense. I understand that it may require more skill to properly use these attacks but it just means that the higher end of players is forced to use a very limited pool of characters or weapons if they want to be competitive. BMG should rework some of the moves for older weapons and characters to bring them up to speed with the new stuff. This would probably result in more variety/options for players.

[@tatichadow]

Love the channel my dude. You're my goto for updates regarding the newer content being released.

[@makothefish8130]

Brawlhalla def has a problem with trying to constantly one up the latest legend with a new gimmicks and op sigs and stats. Until the newest legend will have a complete fucking cutscene as a sig.

[@jatinmarcob2128]

0:09 love that the dwlivery syncs with the attacks. Soothes my smooth head flesh.

[@walckwalck]

I feel like one of the things that may have gotten glossed over in this video (im barely a quarter through) contributed to why i stopped playing brawlhalla. It's when eggsoup was talking about the "theoretical worst character" and how it would still be a decent character. Roughly 4:15 The fact that a character that has the arguably worst aspects of everything and can still be good is something feels like a problem. i know someone could talk about this to greater lengths far better than i could and want to see that video lol. But its interesting and i feel like kind of a problem 1. Because their main ways of balancing a character is ... unimpactful to an extent, as well as when they introduce new characters. 2. Every character feels different especially with looks and sigs ... but almost everything else is the same. All the characters are copies of a template a weapon combo, stats, and then you have your nice new fresh coat of paint. Tying it back to 1, when a character gets introduced its that template; Weapon combo, stats, sigs, aesthetic (fresh coat of paint), and a potential gimmick makes a character, new or old. Idk if thats good ... or bad Theres not much else i have to say and i hope it didnt come off to complain-ey. But i wonder/hope someone talks about this more in depth. (Lmk if someone already has)

[@tsunamis1795]

I think in brawlhalla u can technically make any weapon and any character work but what separates things is how easy they are to make work. Some weapons/characters are just generally gonna have a tougher time winning than others and this can be bc of the meta and matchups or simply due to the character lacking something like having bad stats, bad sigs, a bad weapon comp or any combination of these options.

[@_codegreen]

Something I'd like to point out that others may have already, most of the player base is silver. A lot of the comparisons you're making here seem to be more geared towards the high end of skill, more about the potential of the character. From that perspective, I agree with basically all of the video, but a lot of the pain people are experiencing comes from lower down where they might not have as good spacing, might not punish that well, dodge unpredictably, and otherwise adapt during play. Take a look at two of the "toxic" characters (by which I mean not always but known to be taken in order to sig spam) Loki and Artemis. Artemis' lance ssig comes out relatively quickly, makes her move unpredictably, and otherwise is difficult to punish if you don't predict it. It's not the greatest thing at the higher levels since you as the opponent can punish the move more easily, but at the lower levels it can be a huge menace. Loki's scythe ssig suffers from the same issue, it has a MASSIVE hitbox, and it's nontrivial to punish. Again, those at a lower skill level are going to struggle more with that than someone who's a lot more used to it. I wouldn't consider Artemis to be a power creep character (as annoying as it is to play against 5 of them in a row), but Loki on the other hand, I mean you saw what he was like on release. Every legend goes through that somewhat, but more recently it's becoming harder and harder for the majority of players to deal with the new legends being more easily abused, and the solution shouldn't be "skill issue, just get better at the game and you won't have to play against sig spam" because that takes a *long* time to fully escape it.

[@eggsoup]

this is a very good point ty for sharing

[@saitanfox8817]

"at the end of the day we're all human you are human and i *penguin*" i love that it cuts out on that last part

[@deantebritton]

Age of war song in the intro sparked nostalgia i didnt know i had

[@sakykay]

I think something that could help your point, of having more definied archetypes (or at least, that's something i would really like to see), is reworking stats and/or stances. Sometimes they just dont get it right on the first time, and i think the game would ultimately benefit if stats were to be tweaked and rebalanced post release, in light of a way larger, community feedback. And i think they haven't tried this yet becuase they might fear that it would take away from the legend's uniqueness, given that stats are the only variables to a universal moveset. Which is fair, but it sometimes can result in very awkward stat lines that actually take away from a legend truly fitting into a supposed archetype (even in recent releases, just look at Loki).

[@Leo-bf6eh]

As a returning (2 year hiatus) longtime Diamond and tournament player seeing all these new legends, it's insane to me how players have normalized blatantly crept legends. Not all legends are outright creep and it's not necessarily about the additional mechanics they have, but it's usually how they're implemented and how fast they can be... While I'm back to diamond already, I know how to recognize unhealthy and bad design from a mile away. Just because they aren't S tier does not mean they are fine and everyone should just get gud, it's just bad to leave them that way and it makes them pub + low rank stompers. It also steadily makes things worse because they become bases for balance, and each time any changes are made or a new legend comes out, that creep continues rising. So like... Why not call it out early and prevent it? Players are weird. They rather that things become absolutely a huge problem before admitting something is a problem. Do people not realize stats are becoming more of an afterthought as time passes?

[@blackice64]

It makes sense for brand new characters to be/feel slightly more powerful, and adding new mechanics is kinda required to make them feel unique. But I don't know if these new characters actually have faster/stronger sigs (Like, comparing Imugi to Teros or Ulgrim) or if it's just getting used to new attacks

[@justjoaoo]

No, I got used to those attacks, but I get it has such a large range and heavy damage with each sig that it's hard to avoid.

[@nikolapetric7089]

Although I love Imugi's design and concept, he really isn't fun to play OR go against. I acrually like playing with characters like Queen Nai, slow and powerful sigs, while Imugi's sigs feel a little off relative to his speed and are extremely hard to punish. I hope BMG tunes these sigs down to match Teros and Queen Nai

[@GreypegasusPlays]

YES! THANK YOU! i miss og brawl, back when people wouldnt weapon stall. It just feels so sweaty and i miss when it wasnt about winning but about cool combos and 0 to deaths.

[@x5N__]

This case wasn't actually with the legends than came during 2017 till 2019. From Sidra till Vector legends sigs were very basic and very under powered. People just played it from day 1 and the second day, they were back to their own mains. That's why we see why legends from 2017 till '19 have less level 100 compared to the other. Jiro is one of the famous example on how his sword SSIG couldn't even hurt 2 defense legend and he was weak/vulnerable as hell. Now compared to today's Jiro, he received uncountable buffs which made him a playable character. Heck, when orb was released it was so underwhelming because it was such a darn weak weapon, and same went for cannon which didn't captivated much players unlike GS and BB. So yeah, whenever BMG releases a new legend, it'll always be busted and OP to engage players for longer period and give feedback. The devs darn know well that it'll surely be nerfed or else it will provide unfair advantages.

[@UnofficialCyane]

7:20 "just because something has an additional use case doesn't automatically make it better.." Every other legend would drop their sig half way into the wall, possibly getting you killed. Vivi actually finishes her sig all the way no matter at what angle you hit your opponent. I think that makes it better

[@nischalthapa2460]

YESS, this is exactly what i think of when a new legend is released... this is also exactly what caused me to stop playing league of legends(power creep, 1 of many reasons)

[@gorgistanojevik3196]

Yeah it's literally the same. Imugi is supposed to be this really slow character but his sigs are really fast which don't fit. Assassins are supposed to be hard and high skill and they made Briar and Naafiri with point and click abilities because they wanted to make an easy assassin

[@patrickwehrstein8693]

I 100% agree but to me the biggest issue with the new sigs isn't that they fit the arctype but a more general problem: They cover too much or are not situational enough. Like sigs on earlier characters seem designed about an idea of "here is this specific range or thing and a sig you can press in that moment to cover it" but also include a very clear counterplay / weakness. I feel like that design principle got a bit lost with sigs like loki scythe side sig, vivi boots nsig and imugi axe side sig.

[@alienplatypus7712]

Idk, this has been a "problem" for a long, long while. Like look at kor hammer ssig, azoth bow ssig/axe dsig, thatch sword ssig, or koji bow dsig. Those moves are all very powerful, incredibly generic and can basically just be summed up as "kill whatever is vaguely in front of me, right now"

[@patrickwehrstein8693]

@@alienplatypus7712 all of those you mentioned lose against all but like 2 dodge options? And they are punishable on miss and are kinda laggy. Not like the sigs I mentioned. At least not when it comes to their endlag and or ability to be punished, since they either have 0 lag move the character far away or both. I think being situational also has something to do (at least for me) with not being spamable.

[@pkinkling]

Music in the beginning hit my nostalgia hard

[@kuramamastah5270]

As a cross enthusiast with 300+ hours i didn't mind at all the power levels getting freaky, it may be due to myself throwing my gauntlets at them mid-combo interrupting their full screen special attacks but as of now as long i don't use anyone beside him and his big ol stand hand

[@nightwatch3889]

I absolutely LOVE your choice of soundtracks

[@Rustybucketgames22]

Honestly only characters I have a problem with in ranked 2v2 is double imugi. Makes me wanna smash my head on a wall. Side sig hit box extends so long, you have the like 2 frames to touch the ground and move before you the next one is spammed on most maps

[@RealZefrety67]

coming back to this game after a solid year or two break is *brutal* it’s ridiculous the amount of people who win just because of spam with these characters. BMG needs to implement a numbered sig system in ranked. 3 of each Sig each life if they connect. they become an alternate light attack after its been used up.

[@krazie02]

Did not expect Glorious Morning to start playing when starting this video

[@loopsjam4713]

I'm gonna be honest, from experience I think the power creep is vastly overstated. Even with most of the new legends being suppousedly busted I'd be lucky to find a small handfull of people who actually play them. Especially a week or two after release. I just think most of the uproar about "Legend X being broken" is mostly hot air and hype, combined with the fact that people just aren't used to seeing them and haven't found ways to counter them yet.

[@Thyfunidoge]

Yeah I feel the same way. When I played Vivi for the first time I could literally mash light and get decent damage. I'm new to the game as well. Playing against a thea bot on hard mode is just impossible for me.

[@come5649]

bro jammed my childhood musics in the first minute of the vid, like Age of War and then TF2 intro, bro gimme a break i WILL tear up

[@vatum20]

YOU USED AGE OF WAR MUSIC - 'GLORIOUS MORNING' YOU UNLOCKED PART OF MY MEMORY I'D FORGOTTEN FOR YEARS WTF

[@Edman459]

As someone who played Teros almost religiously back in the day, a lot of these newer characters look like a nightmare to play against.

[@tyukogames]

As a faith main, I feel this pain, THE HITBOXES CAN BE SO BAS CLOSE RANGE

[@yis8fire]

Tf2 theme in the background

[@-RandomStranger-]

Tick tick tick tick tick

[@Birdlegs14]

Im a gold player right, so basically I NEVER play ranked because I get so tilted but since picking up imugi I started winning so much on experimental that I play against platinums and I even went against some diamonds even though im technically still only gold like mid gold too not even high gold. Granted I haven’t played ranked in years and have gotten significantly better since then.

[@josephreverand3527]

Not really sure the archetypal mismatch is a new issue, gnash’s sigs are incredibly fast and yet he can be 2 dex. I feel like this game has weird bell curve of power creep where many of the oldest characters have really broken attributes to them, like absurd damage or force with gigantic hit boxes. And many of the newest characters have fast sigs with unique powerful mechanics with many of the characters in the middle feeling a little left out, with a handful of exceptions of course (Wu Shang for example). I’m sure this isn’t entirely true, just my view on the subject.

[@henrybitencourt]

They also nerf the characters next patch too which is sometimes bullshit But with imugi is a skill issue ngl 😅

[@Ego_S.B.]

I’m happy this video exists. It is exactly what I think about the game and about what might make the game way better.

[@juven_gaming]

I feel like at this point they're using power creep as a way to better promote these new legends to more people. Now honestly, I don't think that's a bad idea. Cause sometimes people will discover some new things about these legends like seven's cannon dsig hitting down and vivi's blasters ssig hitting up on a wall. The only thing that I hope they get a little better at is properly balancing these new legends more consistently.

[@omafriederich6588]

One thing that i wish will be added to the game (for balance reasons): make newer legends just playable in ranked when they are also tournament legal

[@Zerod_Out]

There is one legend that I really wonder what eggsoup thinks about them. And its Zariel. Imo the most underused legends and especially one that is never talked about.

[@Nobleeding]

Aw brawl halls was my childhood game sad to see it fall off like that

[@PandaMan0901]

"egg egg egg egg egg egg egg" the people chant in unison as we watch this masterpiece

[@LittleParade_]

I think bringing older legends up to speed could help counterbalance the power creep, but nobody likes when you change something that everyone's already used to. But you can't release a new guy and have him be mid just to avoid power creep.

[@archniki_]

To be fair they could tune all old sigs. At least make difference between hitting air and ground. Side sig guns ada, bodwar side hammer, etc

[@unrhu]

I had this conversation on another video. The Devs do this intentionally, to cause hype and usage of new characters. Cause later they always nerf them to the ground

[@gorgistanojevik3196]

The biggest issue for me is the fact that the hitboxes are so disjointed and inaccurate with the visuals it's so confusing having come back from not playing a long time. Like I visually can't tell where Loki or Red raptors hitboxes are and it's really frustrating

[@crusadertf2807]

When you primarily play experimental and never have problems with power creep because everyone's just gonna pick Mordex anyway

[@onmyway3139]

the only thing i dont like about thea is how they gave her both low defense AND attack. Like, i get it if you wanted to make a fast but weak character but they shouldve given her either more defense or attack. OR MAYBE NOT MAKE THE DEFENSE STANCE TAKE ONE AWAY FROM ATTACK

[@mynameisbaxter5565]

I think more legends should get new reworks/signatures just to try something new and experimental and see if it works or doesn’t and it would be fun if more legends got that treatment

[@IMoist.]

Age of War music hits different 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@actofrek6797]

Wait, your telling me you play these games LIVE WHILE MONOLOGING?! How do you focus?

[@Dialzaa]

GLORIOUS MORNING IN THE BACKGROUND, HELL YEAH

[@mynameisbaxter5565]

I haven’t noticed power creep as you did and I find it interesting I thought the power creep from Pokémon gen 3 to 4 was noticeable and from gen 4 to 5 and onwards power creep became blatantly obvious maybe I didn’t notice because the power creep in brawlhalla wasn’t as obvious to me than it was to me in Pokemon

[@RaiginAnimator]

God I remember When I picked up Tezca I was a Ragnir main before I liked ragnir bc I ❤ dragons and I love Jaguars too so I tried Tezca Dear god I remember landing like a whole 20seconds worth of comboes before I realised how busted battle boots are

[@etherweb6796]

Pretty sure the newest legends are always overpowered - then get nerfed later on. The one concerning problem with newer legends is they have huge animations for their sigs, which seem to have ridiculous hit areas - which is not so easily patched

[@ultimaurice]

The last seven legends were NOT broken. Thea and Vivi were mid if not bad on release with a few sigs that would get nerfed after their first tournament run. Loki and Raptor were non issues. No one's even done anything with Loki because his weapon Comp is just terrible. Two good weapons that do the same thing and really good sigs. Practically no nerfs since release and for a reason. But frankly you're just better off with a different scythe or Katar legend. Raptor is really good but I wouldn't say he's broken. Dude barely got nerfed on release and his only tournament showings have been by Raydish who had already mastered both weapons before he released and so it was natural progression. Seven was better than most legends on release but even her special feature isn't all that broken. Her best sig still was cannon dsig which is mainly good because you Don't expect the hitbox. When you do it just becomes a sig. Tezca and imugi on release are genuine problems. Tezca was fair because boots was a new weapon and his sigs just had way too much force. Imugi has huge problems. But tbh it's only because axe and Greatsword are both REALLY good. You nerf those two weapons and all he has ssig. You nerf gs ssig and he just becomes and he's flat out terrible. And notice axe is one of the oldest weapons in the game. I'm sorry, power creep is a thing but this point you're trying to make about the last 7 legends is just wrong. You wanna talk power creep, talk less about specific characters and more about weapons and features.

[@eggsoup]

appreciate the thoughtful response gamer, don't think we agree here but that's perfectly okay

[@dinodusty3823]

Bro your actually so gud at the game its crazy! Would love to see how far you'd go in a comp, or even just ranked

[@rambam791]

He used to compete, he was always a very innovative player. Go watch some old comps (y)

[@icefire4814]

He was an extremely good pro player and if he tried he might get some placements. That is if he trains for tournies ofc

[@Magikarpador]

damn lol. way back when i played the game i played queen nai cause maxing defense felt like it would be really annoying for my opponent

[@MrKrips]

I have always said this and people call me sour loser. Kor can not keep up with '3' speed imugi.

[@archniki_]

I made a small cup for friends and etc with vanilla only weapons. So it is all legends with basic weapons before bow. I didn't allow to play 1 weapon on legends with one new and one old wep. There i ve got complains : "new legends have signatures that re more interesting. " :')

[@JahazielCastillo]

No legend has made me wanna quit the game like imugi. I played 2 days when he came and I haven’t played much since. I’m waiting till he gets nerfed bc he is crazy.

[@tinobeano]

this is a skill issue go to ranked and play without thinking NOW!!

[@JahazielCastillo]

@@tinobeano I did play last night. I beat 2 out of 3 imugis. I don’t think it’s too too much of a skill issue, but a imugi hitbox issue. No reason his sigs should be as fast as they r for a 3 speed legend. I’m getting more used to his sigs but yea you’re right.

[@tinobeano]

@@JahazielCastillo i was joking a little on my last comment, but i definitely agree that those sigs are faster than they should be

[@rayerdyne]

Does someone else think that it may be intentional ? I mean, how would BMG not have a feel of: this will be strong, this won't after all that time ? To me it is a way to get players engaging with the new legend more, keeping "older" players activity up

[@luna-gk6mk]

another thing, the sigs now are TOO MUCH, as for example older characters usually have all the grounded, simple and readable sigs. their design choices now are so wacky, we dont need sigs that makes your character fly, teleport, go up, float, it gets so hard to actually punish some of them, unpunishable at points, one older example is artemis sigs, a lot of them changes their position and makes her dodge a lot of moves!

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

Small question did brawhalla add some unarmed extra combos by chance? I suck at weapons since i feel they were really slow so i went unarmed for combos but left due to not that much variety. But damm the videp shows a few moves (air ones ) that a few years ago didnt see.

[@RenegadeSugarcane]

Glorious morning in the background is an absolute W

[@Coolest_Name]

the new characters ARE over tuned and they ARE obviously getting stronger and stronger with powercreep, but the saving grace is that the structure of the game prevents this power creep from being overbearing, because the weapons attacks are still all the same regardless. does that mean that we should be fine with this power creep? no. does that mean the game is gonna die? not at all, unless they make a new WEAPON thats so strong that it dominates the game, like greatsword on release Also the point of character archetypes not matching their sigs is 100% A PROBLEM. Imugi should NOT be THAT FAST

[@srmeowster1783]

Feels like my boy Zariel was forgotten, I’ve barely seen any mains in any of the ranked games I play, but I’m still standing (yeah yeah yeah)

[@dzyv8913]

i just started playng again after 3 years the new legends just feel so weird to me it seems like a big step from every other legend

[@Mazinkaiser_Studios]

Thing is... I use red raptor and loki because I suck at the game so when I use both of them I get into the level of a decent player. They're not OP for me, they're crotches

[@heavenly_exotic7068]

they should fix older legends sigs just DROPPING on a wall meanwhile they are giving new characters completely different versions for on wall

[@Raviness.]

Finally someone made a vid about it

[@ianevans9137]

I play Brynn and just genuinely feel so disadvantaged against legends with ridiculous unpublishables