Breaking Down 2023 Topps Chrome Update

[@skmdc]

First Topps flagship product I haven't bought from the Topps site in years.

[@Amersian]

I was just at a card show yesterday in Denver, 2023 Topps chrome update jumbos were $200 flat. use that as a gauge.

[@ZiggyNo]

Great insights and honesty. Update isn’t a key release to me either. Fun to watch

[@trucemusic6744]

You and DPZ make a good combo. Great back and forth

[@Philmington]

Thank you!

[@dsphillips16]

Love the brutally honest analysis.

[@Philmington]

Thanks Dustin!!

[@DumpsterFireSC]

Crazy that collectors do not understand how this all works. The release for update was last week but the preparation and autos are done throughout the year and while hindsight is 20/20 the sets are constructed before the season starts. The sticker autos are collected from a player all at once during a signature sit down. Literally one of the best rookie classes in a while and tons of great cards for collectors. This is literally the best update has been in the past 4-5 years.

[@Philmington]

A lot of good inserts this time. This is also the first “real” hobby release which helps.

[@sportcardcollector9599]

What's up philmington

[@navadasmith3209]

🤙

[@gatorsmld7480]

There is NO WAY either of those bounty cards can be worth anything near $100K.

[@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin]

Nice recap of the product! So… predictions for what a case of THIS goes for next November on blowout?

[@Philmington]

Well if the Volpe and Walker have been pulled…. Maybe $80 X 6-box case = $480..??? If not yet pulled, add $3-5/box for each Depends on player performance and market factors too.

[@rage508cardsngrails]

Facts talk to em those 90s inserts an parallels of stars an Hof are looking way more the move in the end huh vs modern singles? 😉💪🏼💯 #billmington to the moon 🌝 #salute 2 you fine young gentleman #talktoem 🗣️🎙️

[@fliplife67]

That’s crazy the bounty themselves set very unrealistic prices of a card this probably why normal people think cards prices should go to the moon.

[@AP_Sportscards]

Talking about market discovery. What would you put as a ratio of the debut patch auto vs the bowman super? I’d say 1.5. The debut patch is the better card.

[@Philmington]

Right now it seems to be about that or double. Maybe it settles at 1-1.5X, I dunno.

[@chrishayes4166]

Trust Mike from Stanton, stop sitting there and break something! (maybe just not 2023 topps chrome update at 140/350 a hobby/jumbo so much 😂)

[@Philmington]

Lol! Exactly!

[@rage508cardsngrails]

Holy shit why does dpz look like the lead singer to mettalica! #crawlonthelightning lmao 🤣😂 #salute

[@Philmington]

Lol!

[@Philmington]

James Hetfield?

[@teddo997]

what do you think of Bowman Draft this year?

[@Philmington]

Missing a few key bats think it’ll be a good product (relative to most other things). $450/$675 for jumbo & super jumbo is probably fine. I just can’t see it dropping much below that. Tom Brady Bowman Chrome Auto should be interesting.

[@samcox2886]

I recently heard you say that you don’t collect vintage cards and have been contemplating doing the same. I had a huge vintage collection and have been moving it to buy a few modern players that I enjoy following. I have a handful of vintage cards left and thinking I’m going to move those as well and be done with it. I never saw the guys from the 50’s play and just don’t have that connection to them. I’m curious as to why you don’t collect vintage?

[@Philmington]

Hey Sam- good stuff. I raised this to the Spitballin crew. I suggested we cover it as a topic when the headlines are slow in January.

[@robertcopeland2946]

If everyone stopped buying boxes and only bought singles, there would eventually be nothing to buy! How does the market today compare to 2017? Because you can't count the freakish market from 2018-2020 that shouldn't even be part of the calculations!

[@chrisojeda7377]

I pulled an epic orange Chrome Update auto /25 of.......NARCISO CROOK. Yep, a guy who is 28 and had a total of 8 AB in 2022 and spent the last year in the Dominican League. I mean, what the actual $#@$

[@Philmington]

Lol! Ouch! I’ve got 6 cases of hobby. Maybe some of the MLB DEBUT PATCHES of household names are in there. 😜

[@rage508cardsngrails]

Hope the bounty is 2 bags of jaxx cheese curls, an 2 tootsie pops handed to the winner out of howie mandels suitcase! ...🤔ok ok an 2 slaps in the face 😮 an you got a deal topps! #huntresponseably 😁🤣😂

[@TradingCardCave]

Phil & Dennis, Thanks for talking me into saving my money from this product! I’ve been considering buying a few hobby boxes and have shied away from pulling the trigger. Great conversation gents! 🫡

[@Philmington]

It’s not going to go down as one one of the worst products of the year, but it’s too expensive at $120+.

[@TradingCardCave]

@@Philmington thanks for the response Phil. I’ll hold of until it comes down in price.