Breaking down episodes 5 and 6 of the new Patriots' documentary series | The Dynastic Post Show

[@eggynyce]

The hernedez show was super dark and sad. His poor daughter hope Kraft is helping her. But my favorite was the Cassel show that was great. But this series makes me appreciate Bill way more wishing he was still here

[@TC-fl9os]

They should interview Wes Welker for an entire hour about Aaron Hernandez.

[@adzisme]

Hernandez allegedly threatened to kill Welker over something that happened in the team weight room.

[@nymike06]

@@adzisme Wow! I never heard that before.

[@NoName-ge6wc]

True. Aaron had a moment. Who among us hasn't threatened to murder a teamate?

[@maxwellbrill8001]

I think Welker wouldn’t help him with a video machine and Hernandez went bananas Hernandez was human garbage

[@NoName-ge6wc]

@@maxwellbrill8001 was Hernandez perfect? No.

[@grantaperrycoaching]

Great to see Matt Ca

[@carrollray1193]

I found it fascinating that Brady cussed out Hernandez when he was screwing around in practice. And shocked that Belichick would ever look the other way with behavior like that from Hernandez. This series really is not helping Belichick's legacy.

[@455zzz]

What Bill said to Cassel was like wow I get why the new players don’t like Bill IDC who you are you don’t have the right to talk to people like that

[@macla8773]

@@455zzzunderstand generations are different. Bill comes from a Tough/be a man kind of era. His attitude is why shit got done. He didn’t want you thinking ok you won go celebrate as if you won a SB it’s just 1 game. Got to be an ass so you don’t get stepped on as a leader. Exactly why when talking to Tom he said I can’t get these guys going they are not listening

[@455zzz]

@@macla8773 I get it but unless Bill can change (which he probably can’t) I think Bill should probably just retire because those days of saying whatever you want to people are over with

[@SaviorCross]

​@@455zzzAccording to whom?

[@toddsalkowski448]

Bill Belichick is a miserable prick!! I am glad this documentary is exposing that.

[@pete6705]

I’m kind of getting the vibe that Kraft really resents Bill in this doc

[@455zzz]

He probably does but the fact Bills way of doing things won 6 Super Bowls he probably had to bite his tongue for years what he say at the press conference “I’m not gonna kiss him” lol aka goodbye and good riddance

[@nymike06]

Yes, a jealous guy who wants all the glory. Belichick made him billions and gets little respect. Even at the press conference, could tell Kraft couldn't wait for Belichick to leave the building.

[@viardrums]

Feels like he's trying to take credit for all things good and pretend he wasn't aware of any of the negative parts. And also blame the bad on Belichick. Disheartening to see him do this.

[@PatsPIanet]

Hernandez was actually my favorite player at the time.

[@jessedampolo]

Loved the Cassel episode, but the Hernandez episode felt like a Robert Kraft hit on Belichick with the way it's suggesting BB is almost culpable in the loss of life. Meanwhile Kraft gets to play up the emotion and make a public apology... after admitting earlier in the same interview that he was ready to pay for a lawyer to try and fight a murder charge. Really didn't like it.

[@rupertpupkin2660]

Yea it came off like Kraft was more upset with getting duped then the fact that Hernandez actually murdered someone! Insane. And Kraft knew Belichick wasn't going to comment on it so we basically only get one side of the story.

[@viardrums]

Everyone is trying to indict BB but great coaches/teachers of that caliber and with that level of success often put the product over everything else and that’s why they are as successful as they are. Kraft, however, feels a bit like a used car salesman trying to bolster his image at the expense of BB’s. I think RK, BB, and TB12 all were the true nucleus of the supposed “patriot way”. It was the cocktail of 3 extremely determined self interested entities. And that’s ok. We like to pass judgement on those who achieve while ignoring our own and everyone we know’s same tendencies. It’s fascinating but maddening to watch the speculative media pontificate over matters they still don’t really understand, while allowing their own biases to dictate their individual narratives as to who was “good”/“bad”/“innocent”/“guilty”.

[@bpusef]

Belichick had the chance to talk about it as well, and chose not to say anything. So it's hard to blame Kraft for using it as a platform to apologize when Belichick could've said any number of things about it.

[@sammalone4239]

​@bpusef in fairness to Bellichick, hes never aired dirty laundry.

[@paullinntrapgod]

Lol, like Robert didn't know he was a bad egg when they drafted him as well as when they signed the big contract: there is no was they didn't know he had that safe house in Franklin

[@SoLoDoLo77.]

This whole thing screams like a kraft hit piece against Bill. I mean, they might as well say bill was an accomplice to murder, he was the only one filming signals etc. Fuck the krafts for making this. He just got a D grade from the players association, well deserved

[@viardrums]

Thankfully he's about to end his time as Pats owner drifting into mediocre oblivion post Belichick. Then he'll see..

[@morgan06239]

Regarding Hernandez, I agree with Holly… when I watched this episode, why no more voices…. I wanted to hear from Brady, Gronk … certainly on the offensive (interesting term usage here) on what took place….. Additionally, I heard Belicheck’s live press conference…. This was not at all representative of his tone and attitude…. I felt this episode was so slanted towards the Krafts….. Here’s something else I feel: I am a liberal but I do feel that the our armed voices are necessary… DO NOT DIMINISH the fact that Belichick brought that mindset to the Gladiator NFL…..Jeezz, I am a godamn liberal and I can appreciate his approach….

[@johncrosby5964]

Just all the parts where they were taking Aaron’s picture, then smiling, I had to look away. It’s sad what happened in that whole situation

[@DJ-nn6vg]

Some team was going to take Hernandez it just happened to be the Patriots.

[@mystic6301]

The problem was Patriots is in Boston which is only a 2 hour drive from his hometown of Bristol. He'd often drive back during off season and sometimes after games to go hang with those goons. Safe to say this story might have turned out different had he been drafted to Miami Dolphins or Tennessee Titans

[@Sam-jx8tv]

Man they've glossed over 3 super bowls completely. The structure of the doc is strange to me. I get talking about things like the 08 season but dedicating an episode to it while completely glossing over 03 and 04? The Hernandez stuff is interesting but glossing over a super bowl run in favor of it? Just starting to feel like a hit job that focuses on all the negatives of the dynasty and none of the positives.

[@deettekearns9092]

Was Aaron's CTE brain scan discussed? Curious.

[@kyleflickinger4271]

Not in the episode no. They talk about some of the off the wall shit he would do time and time again throughout the episode and they end the episode very solemnly stating that he committed suicide in 2017.

[@SoLoDoLo77.]

Not at all. Kraft is jerking himself off the whole episode tho

[@King_Mac80]

Nope not at all this doc is major NFL propaganda

[@wfvesely]

These people who are criticizing keep saying that things were ignored. Maybe they were not ignored but they ended up on the cutting room floor. I would love to see these interviews To learn everything that happened. I would love to see every interview that was not shown in the documentary. I think there would be a market for all of the video that was not shown in the documentary.

[@erntzcartervalcin2601]

Blaming Bill is wrong

[@it1988a]

I'm from Ragtown (Bristol). The Hernandez family were the ultimate bums.

[@williamstrauss172]

Can you expand on this?

[@mpagan15]

The title is The Dynasty but it should've been called The Controversy because that's what most of this series has focused on. This isn't close to accurately representing how the greatest NFL dynasty came to be & how it sustained for 2 decades.

[@rupertpupkin2660]

Only thing I didn't like about Episode 6 was the ending. Instead of ending the episode in writing with "Aaron Hernendez tragically committed suicide" they should have ended it with "Rest In Peace Odin Lloyd born on November 14th 1985 tragically passed on June 17th 2013".

[@thetruth1635]

Kraft told BB to back off from AH . That why AH felt so entitled. I also believe that Josh McDaniels & AH were on the DL .

[@NoName-ge6wc]

Kudos to Bill wanting for Aaron to play out the season after the murder charge. For him, all about winning. Compartmentalize the murder for the good of the team. Just allegations at that time.

[@craig7185]

People pay for apple TV?

[@justinmj6586]

Belichick hit piece parts 5 & 6 continues

[@CoryD_85]

Wait why did Bill offer security, what did he know?

[@adzisme]

Interesting that the doc makers added the Hernandez trip to the Patriots office to beg for help prior to his arrest.

[@hcutter]

Why hasn't anyone commented on when Bob Kraft said in the documentary when he approached Hernandez in the Gillette Stadium after he became a person of interest in Odin Lloyd's murder and asked point blank if he did it and if he did he probably had a good reason for it?! And that he'd personally pay for his defense? Was Kraft secretly trying to get a confession? What would be a good reason to kill someone Bob? It's like Hernandez had him under his spell!

[@chadbinette3201]

So Belichick wouldn't trade Hernandez but fast forward 5-6 years and Belichick TRADES gronk to the Matt Patricia dumpster fire lions and gronk had to threaten to retire if traded. Hate to say it but with this docuseries coming out I don't think Belichick will ever coach again in the NFL.

[@DOUBLEOENTLIVE]

Cause they don’t want to speak on their former football player brother he went down a dark path and it’s well known what happened they don’t need to throw anymore dirt on a dead man

[@jimmyryder8850]

They never say anything. The producers and directors were there. No shit matt

[@BeanTwnJ]

I've always loved Mr Kraft but don't enjoy him in this series

[@notoriouseagle1074]

On the subject of episode 5, I agree with Jim Murray's take on the 11-5 without Brady thing being wildly overrated. Do people think the Dolphins would've won that week 3 game, never mind by 25 points? I'm not convinced a pedestrian Charger team that finished at 500 would've done anything and I'll never be convinced Pittsburgh wins in Foxboro with Tom playing. They missed the postseason after coming within 39 seconds of a perfect season the year before, period end of story, stop looking at it as a blemish on Brady's legacy!

[@chadbinette3201]

Not to mention basically the entire defense was still intact from winning 3 superbowls, a 16-0 team that was pissed im sure oh and Randy Moss. Put any top 20 QB in that team and they go 13-3.

[@davis2k1234]

I’ve debunked this forever w Brady Haters Cassell went 10-6 and won the AFC West made a pro bowl in 2010 on Chiefs and going from 18-1 to 11-5 is a 7 game drop of like a 12-4 team winning a playoff game then going 6-10

[@shanecadden5303]

These episodes damning of Bill. And he does nothing to humanize himself.

[@jet0819]

Was hoping this show could capture 10% of the magic of The Last Dance. Not even close. They do a really poor job of celebrating all the fun/wins and decide to only focus on negative drama instead using mostly footage from other shows we’ve seen before.

[@brianbell3229]

Negativity sells unfortunately.

[@TedlinksChannel]

Massive Patriots fan and have gone to 3 super bowls. Have Patriots blanket and countless hats and gear. I watch every game via NFL ticket and don't really enjoy any other sport. But I have zero interest in this documentary or Felger types yapping about the past.

[@frankbank0892]

Felger is no talent garbage

[@Jowesmith]

Another snoozer