Breaking Down Mel Kiper Jr. & Daniel Jeremiah's 2024 NFL Mock Drafts | PFF NFL Show

[@nukepineisland]

Trevor has quietly become one of the better draft analysts in the space and it's fun to see considering I started reading his stuff on PewterReport.

[@JaredTG.]

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[@antekm2639]

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[@christr1ut87]

The reason we seem to know so little about what makes a QB prospect a great player at the next level is because the #1 factor is the situation at the team they go to.

[@travisoshea]

Very true and to actually know how a prospect will be mentally. That’s something that no scout or expert has been ever to know and no one will ever know how someone handles any position and how they handle day to day life of the NFL

[@ericfitzsimmons9873]

I'm not sure about that... prior to the season this year I remember a couple analysts saying the Texans were the 1 team you could completely eliminate from playoff contentions.. Lawrence and Andrew luck went to awful situations but they showed flashes. You can mostly tell if a qb is going to be elite or not no matter where they go. I believe the most important thing in a QB is do they have that dog in them ? At the NFL level everyone is super talented but when you look at guys like Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, and Josh Rosen they are all on record saying football isn't the most important thing in their life and it's a spot they lack in the leadership department. When you look at guys like patrick mahomes, Tom Brady, Joe Burrow those are the guys you can tell are 1000% committed into football and winning. You can see the extra fire in their eye and the way they act and how they want 100% execution on every play. To me this is the biggest factor into what makes a QB elite. I'm not saying it's 100% amd ofcourse everyone wants to win but just look at the attitudes of the Bonifide elite QBs in the league compared to the rest. I'm not saying situation doesn't matter because ofcourse it does I just believe the leadership and love/fire/desire is what's most important.

[@christr1ut87]

@@ericfitzsimmons9873 Those couple analysts were obviously not correct. The Texans were not a bad team that was made good by the rookie QB. The rookie was good but so were a bunch of other things that were new this year. Andrew Luck went to a team that was good but just played an entire season with a QB who actually could not play in the NFL. They were only a year removed from being a great team.

[@Tim_Leclair]

Ngl that crab cake ad read was good af. As someone in Buffalo NY who’s never had a crab cake before, ima have to check them out lmao

[@JaredTG.]

Yea i voted for PFF the other day on my phone and it was easy and straightforward

[@kreigerbailey3550]

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[@TheMattTrakker]

Mel Kiper is rarely accurate evaluating talent or predicting what teams will do...I don't understand how this guy has made a career out of this.

[@nbomb12]

Because he was the first to realize it could be a career and conformed to ESPN early on

[@nbomb12]

He wasn’t Joe bushbaum and wrote a book he put his face on tv so people gravitate to him whether he’s good or not.

[@HalseyHFW]

Yeah lots of people are jealous of his success.

[@khaaliqbattle4206]

He just predicting that’s why he do like 5 of them

[@jaysonblake4865]

He is and he isn’t. Kinda like most ppl. Feel like dj is the most accurate of the ppl who mainly cover the draft.

[@dansheehan6828]

Great Stuff Guys Thanks

[@LionsTigersPistonsWings]

I’ll give you a vote. You asked for the business.

[@chadclark321]

Sam just looks like the scottish Dak Prescott. I can't unsee it now 😂

[@piteusx8440]

Bryce Young: 5'10" / 185lbs, slightly above average arm, above average mobility. The Panthers invested heavily on a NFL QB outlier to the extreme. It shouldn't surprise anyone that an outlier had an extreme outcome. Anyone who thought otherwise was not thinking.

[@calebqueen2090]

Anyone who thought otherwise watched him play football. Young had great accuracy, phenomenal anticipation, and was insane under pressure. He was in a horrible situation, and I expect his play to take a fairly significant jump with a new head coach and money invested in the players around him.

[@jamiesp3901]

We have to rescale QB mobility. I would set Herbert as above average mobility, B Young isn't close to mobile as Herbert.

[@codyb.3015]

had an extreme outcome? My dude, most drafted QBs don't become stars, idk what drafts you're watching. Busts happen all the time. And also, it has been 1 year with a terrible roster, coach, situation, etc... chill I bet Texans would have taken Bryce at 1 also lmao, he was the overwhelming consensus QB1 last yr.

[@antekm2639]

Young project is far from over, he had the WORST and I mean the WORST supporting cast on the offense this year, panthers gotta have a good offseason and weaponize this team to get on track.

[@redeyejedi4400]

You didn't watch a single panthers games

[@ItsShiggy]

good ad reads today

[@Z1ldjian2785]

Much of it comes down to whats in their head and hearts. Also coaches and supporting cast plays a BIG part in a young QB transitions to next level. Look at Goeff at Det vs Rams

[@arlieferguson7442]

Maye passes the eye test. He’s an nfl quarterback.

[@donaldsimmons4526]

Didnt for me. The more tape i watch of him, the less i like him.

[@dtbredhalf5823]

Naw....Tribisky

[@mitchellty]

CJ stroud threw the ball how you’re supposed to. The Georgia game shouldn’t be a talking point. The guy slung it for 3 years

[@donaldsimmons4526]

I dont know how anybody watched Stroud's tape and couldn't see it. He was leagues ahead of other QBs that year and he had downfield accuracy as good as ive ever seen and it was consistent. If people say they didn't see it, i lose respect for thier opinion when it comes to scouting

[@hiteshc68]

He didn't deal with pressure well before the Georgia game. That's why that game became a talking point. However I get your point, he was throwing it well in every other game aswell.

[@codyb.3015]

Partially Because that Georgia team was the closest team to a real NFL team he played his whole career. Idk what you mean by talking point tho, not like his draft positioning was effected by that 1 game. The average cfb has their own team and doesn't watch every Ohio State game. This one happened to be in CFB playoff, so it had much more attention, understandably so.

[@codyb.3015]

@@donaldsimmons4526 The worry was that he had such a good team around him that it was harder to evaluate what he would do with lesser talent. And it's not like he ever dropped to QB3 in any draft talk even well before that Georgia game, so idk these people you're referring to that acted like he was bad or something. And if you're referring to taking Bryce, hindsight is 20/20. I liked CJ more than Bryce due to size, but Bryce was the general consensus 1 for months leading up to the draft. For every "I knew he was going to be a star" there's plenty of busts because tons of QBs who've played fantastic in college have faltered in the NFL.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I think in a few years people will accept that Ohio State QBs were held back by Ryan Day

[@retrosavy5853]

Im a fan now

[@flynnaltomare2792]

As a Packers fan I would be shocked with OT/IOL in the first round. Far more pressing needs in the secondary, and the success evaluators have had in GB at finding impact guys in the later rounds makes it very unlikely in my opinion. I think GB is very comfortable going into 2024 with Walker/Jenkins/Myers/Rhyan/Tom with competition for those starting guys in the third round onward. There's also a big question mark when it comes to the DC - what style defense are they going to be running, what kind of defensive players fit in the new scheme. Lot of important things to figure out at Lambeau before April 25.

[@ambermchugh9381]

When you have good coaches and trainers I don't see the need to blow the money on first rounders. ( unless you need like a franchise QB) all these guys in the draft are the best players in the country

[@jaycole249]

I wouldn't be surprised if they go Tackle in the first round, especially if they release D-bak. They need a safety and a Corner, I like Dejean with the first pick or Kool-aid Mckinstry. We shall see.

[@eddie6035]

I saw twice last week how most teams laughed at PFF grades.

[@snave59]

Saw it where?

[@DaMidge]

The 1st time i tried PFF Mock Draft Simulator...it had the Falcons taking Brock Bowers at #8...NO CHANCE THEY SPEND 2 TOP 10 PICKS ON TIGHT ENDS!! Explain how that makes any sense

[@Prince-jq1mt]

Love the PFF draft content... Sam looks taller for some reason...

[@travisoshea]

I wish they would talk more like an actual scout. Like how Daniel J and Booky Brooks do on “Move the Chains”. However they were professional scouts

[@snave59]

It's Bucky Brooks.@@travisoshea

[@testchannelpleaseignore2452]

Who the hell is Mel Kiuper

[@mandomerlie1997]

He kinda started all of this media hype for the NFL draft back in the 80s/90s. Before Kiper it was just a bunch of teams meeting in a room somewhere and no one cared.

[@baltimoregetup9537]

He’s the reason drafts started to get interesting

[@connormalan7993]

No one gets the joke in the comments lol

[@howdareyouexist]

@@mandomerlie1997 that is mel kiper, who is mel kiuper?

[@jacobjones5269]

He wasn’t the first.. The late, great Joel Buschbaum was the original..

[@masonrae2669]

I’d rather get Penix than McCarthy but for both of them I wouldn’t draft them at 16 I’d trade down and then take a QB

[@colebacca1369]

Sorry, gotta vote for Around the NFL

[@db212006]

I agree with JJ on this, PPF grading system does suck. It's so flawed and I hate it. That being said, the rest of the stuff you guys do is very good. Like listening to your draft stuff and talking football in general. So I am a fan, regardless with how much a disagree with the point system stuff.

[@petererckert165]

I don't really know anything about the score system stuff but I love the mock draft content that Trevor and Connor or in this case Sam put out

[@calebqueen2090]

Well, the PFF grading system isn’t meant to be taken as gospel, and it has a subjective nature to it. That being said, in the context of the Jordan Love vs CJ Stroud argument, Love did play better. If Love had a rep where he threw the ball directly to a defender, then his grade would be quite similar to CJ’s

[@asapyvx_9995]

Stroud meat riders just cant admit he didnt have that good a game its actually so pathetic

[@petererckert165]

@@asapyvx_9995 Stroud played great this year and so did Love. I was really surprised by both of them. Love is more like Allen I feel with questionable picks. While Stroud was protecting the ball well and took awhile to throw his first int

[@codyb.3015]

@@asapyvx_9995 Why are you so mad? Stroud had a bad game. Doesn't change that what he did this year was ridiculously impressive. And I'm a Colts fan who would prefer he hadn't turned out this good.

[@overtonwindowshopper]

The Packers draft their linemen on day 3 lol

[@Dabeast1911Que]

Having jjm at 16 but bo nix and penix not being in round one is madness

[@snave59]

You never know,how teams sees a player.

[@siaahsiaah3752]

If we address oline a bit in free agency and grab a more elusive receiver as opposed to a Tee Higgins or Mike E I would gladly take Coleman at 33 if he were to fall

[@clmt_1904.]

Remember: Not every QB picked in the First Round of the NFL Draft will hit. There will be a wiff or two; you just have to get lucky.

[@redeemedbychrist239]

Penei Sewell is gonna kick those niners edge rushshers asses

[@petererckert165]

Hell yeah brother! Wooo!

[@snave59]

We will find out Sunday!

[@darrenjohns4510]

Jordan Travis will have the best career out of this class

[@jufer102]

Perform like you deserve an award then.. cover all teams equally..

[@baltimoregetup9537]

I Prefer Daniel Jeremiah’s draft

[@claimerboy]

Fantasy Football is a hell of drug.

[@bethhughes2786]

Quickly becoming a big Trevor fan. He has a good ratio of winning picks for what teams need and solid reasons for his selections. Has stolen the show on some Charger podcasts. Go Bolts...

[@bobyost42]

I have no idea how Mel Kiper Jr is considered a "draft guru" or for that matter, how he keeps a job, since he rarely gets his picks correct.

[@RoyM-rq1nt]

I love that I made it in here with no views, and there were still comments

[@justaguywhotellsstories]

Where are the Texans picks? I waited an hour to see the reasoning behind all of these picks just to have the home team snubbed

[@snave59]

You shouldn't have waited and watched it live.Wait for it to be posted to youtube,then u can skip to the part you want to see.

[@salil233]

Kiper put Daniels 2 just to create buzz lol

[@parulp6385]

I heard Penix has 11' hands much bigger than Fields and a inch bigger than Love.

[@JackNadeau]

An 11 inch penix? That’s impressive.

[@snave59]

We will know for sure,once the combine gets underway,in a few weeks.We will get everyones true measurements.

[@dtbredhalf5823]

But a Real receiver going to get more yards by catch for a QB....man!!!. i'm a Bears fan#1.. just so torn

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

So I listened to this podcast for 45 minutes and waited patiently for their take on the Broncos pick at #12 and they literally glossed right over it and gave no input. Thanks guys (obvious sarcasm). Smh

[@justinmj6586]

Answer Key: If the guy was a "one year wonder" at BYU take a pass. If he played at LSU, take the chance.

[@donaldsimmons4526]

Sams right about Dallas Turner too. Turner's tape is shit. Hes got no real technique to speak of and no plan. And the idea that "well I can teach you how to rush the passer on the next level" is what gets GMs fired after drafting upside bust after upside bust. These kids have had the best coaching available to them at every level of football. The assumption that you can just teach them these skills that are glaring weaknesses is a myth. A lot of people have already tried and failed over and over. Take the kid with the skill and technique, its easier to add muscle than build skill this far into it

[@Toddhasahottake]

Maye is like Pick 6 Sam Howell and Mitchell Trubiski Washington needs to draft Jayden Daniels

[@eddiewinehosen6665]

Why does anyone care what Mel Kiper says?

[@mandomerlie1997]

Because he is fairly accurate to what teams will do.

[@TheMattTrakker]

@@mandomerlie1997 No he isn't.

[@2160michael]

He was the first “draft analyst” to put Calijah Kancy in the 1st round last year, then right after Kiper did it, everyone else started mocking Kancy in the 1st round. Kancy was then actually drafted in the 1st round and looks awesome

[@ronskullie9380]

​@@2160michaelno he wasn't everyone put kancey in the first Round fr is work out and play at the senior bowl,so stop this miss information right here.

[@jonjonr4788]

One thing you gotta give Sam. He is not afraid to contradict mainstream draft media's conventional wisdom. And let's face it, the industry - as with any other internet-based content-generation complex - is just riddled with lazy dogmatic copy-paste BS. The slice of the commentariat that has real expertise and puts in the work to watch the tape is miniscule. Also, apropos of nothing, just want to plant the flag: Olu Fashanu is heinously overrated.

[@RobertBellamy-ou6oz]

JJ McCarthy will too

[@deehill6719]

Jayden is lucky he came out this year and not next if he was a year younger and lamar had a dip he would be a late 1st early second he is right on time i believe he has the highest ceiling of everyone in the draft but he needs a bit more work than caleb and drake

[@codyb.3015]

Jayden Daniels has been eligible for the draft since the end of his 2021 season with ASU. He's the one that decided to stay the last couple years and decided to leave this year, not really luck as much as a decision he made.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

You made a funny point. Lamar's play helps or hurts some prospects draft stock. The same happens with Josh Allen, if he plays well then athletic big guys with bad accuracy (Anthony Richardson) get drafted earlier.

[@sal4856]

Analytics in baseball, getting on base, football should be can he TACKLE, tackling a joke in the NFL

[@spoogtastic]

If dejean was black, he would be cb #1 across the board. My hot take. MY DUDE! Instant jersey buy wherever hes drafted, gotta support our white cbs 😂

[@donaldsimmons4526]

Sam is onto it with Maye. The more tape i watch, the less i see there. Bad decision making is his main problem to me. He makes every single play harder than it needs to be. He's always locking onto targets and forcing throws too. When i watched Caleb, i came away with a bad opinion of their offensive system and WR coaching. Its just not a good system and its predictable. When the WRs dont get open, Williams get left holding his dick and the WRs cant run scramble drills to save thier lives.

[@travisoshea]

You watch the all 22? If so where do you get it?

[@CJStew06]

I only see the highlight videos, but basically every Drake Maye pass is deep and down the sideline, or over the safeties heads. I mostly learned the ACC has a lot of bad DBs. It's a very college-y offense he ran, not a whole lot of impressive throws over the middle in between tight coverages like most successful pro QBs. He could be really good, I get it, but I'm confused when people just assume he's 'pro-ready.'

[@SwolioDolio]

Please re-evaluate Maye and the defences he played against. There's a reason he ate shit against Clemson. He's the fifth best QB in this class. (Williams, Daniels, Nix and Penix are all better)

[@tymon39]

The only one more talented than him is Caleb lol. You don’t know football

[@bryanwenzel]

Giving oxygen to an ijit like Mel Kiper just fuels his existence. Please stop. You can literally flip coins and get a more accurate draft prediction than that fool ever gives up. He's basically the Screamin' A Smiff or Skippy Brainless of draft coverage. You're not helping. (Otherwise, please keep up the good work!)

[@DreadPages]

Hes on ESPN. Just like DJ, he has an audience. So its silly not to make content reacting to their mocks. But also, if PFF has confidence in their takes. They can be open about their reactions. And explain why in long form.

[@trxmedia9430]

Bro use time stamps. Not watching this whole thing

[@dwaclips]

Jayden Daniels will be better than Caleb Williams.

[@AlphariusDominatus]

Don't overthink it. Taking Jayden Daniels over Maye is not it

[@2160michael]

The guy who wasn’t good enough to win the starting job at Arizona State, that guy?

[@AlphariusDominatus]

@@2160michael yeah that guy

[@2160michael]

@@AlphariusDominatus sounds like a terrible move

[@devincrampton6818]

Drake Maye should be QB1and Williams 2. Williams has a better shot at being what people thought Bryce would be because he actually has real nfl caliber arm talent and size that doesn't make him look like an 8th grader playing on Varsity but he's gonna struggle in similar ways in the pocket and accessing the middle of the field a la Russel Wilson. The "playmaking" stuff they both got away with in college just isn't available to you unless you're a real plus athlete or have great size to shrug off defenders but Caleb was constantly fumbling running around trying to make things happen against Pac 12 defenders. People don't seem to understand how big the real top tier guys are and the difference that makes

[@A.j.Harris]

Crazy how when PFF was giving JJ Wyatt high grades they were good. His last 3 years of playing and all of a sudden they suck 😂

[@ddm62571]

Why in the world would the Gaints draft a wr when they have the worst pass protection in the league? A wide receiver is going to do no good when they're quarterbacks always on his back! Joe Alt is a bluechip prospect! Giants should be drafting him!!

[@ronskullie9380]

Daniel Jones sucks

[@codyb.3015]

@@ronskullie9380 They're stuck with him next year anyways. They should just accept being bad next year and draft then instead. Probably end up with better than QB4

[@tonyk7387]

Please don't draft a WR so odunze makes it to the bears at 9 😊

[@connormalan7993]

Sam acts like he knows CB1 but was high on Okudah lmao

[@AlphariusDominatus]

To be fair, everybody was high on Okudah.

[@lavelleholder5508]

The take you guys have on CJ stroud is off. The first play he ever had in college was a 70 yard run against Mich St. Every Buckeye fan always knew he was elusive in the pocket and relatively fast. That’s why so much anger against not running. But that allowed him to be a better passer in the long run. lol you guys often do confirmation bias

[@kyllerkill]

Jj will be the best qb taken out of this draft. Watch. At the end of their careers he’s the best one taken. Has everything you want in a qb. But then again pff is a joke of a channel.

[@stevezhang5532]

Like 2old ladies

[@mikeromano8140]

Mayo's comment sounded like coach speak to me. Nothing to read into.

[@jefferyferrera3873]

Who is this other guy with Mel?? Why pair him up with this guy Is he the son of some Disney Executive who needed a job?? 😂

[@Jdubayou]

What guy are you talking about?

[@Todtodtodtod]

Caleb Williams will need to be SIGNIFICANTLY better than Justin fields to make it worth going with Williams from a value standpoint

[@connormalan7993]

“From a value standpoint” you have to extend Fields for at least Daniel Jones contract next offseason and I don’t think anyone from the Bears is willing to take that bet. Could have had Stroud last year now they will have a decision to make again. As a fan of another team in the NFC north I hope they trade it and don’t take Williams.

[@MrNutt_]

Kiper is wrong every year. Why do we listen to him?