Breaking down the Eric Weinstein Terrance Howard Joe Rogan | Tom Reacts

[@AnGryPOETry]

"You ever played black jack 21? Youre at 19, and youre saying Hit Me!" 😂😂thats one of my favorite parts of the Eric and Terrence convo

[@tarottabootalk]

👋 hi I’ m Tom and I understand completely but wanna confuse the masses

[@hectorenriquez7496]

Says har**** never played bj or like u would say 21

[@Rays_Bad_Decisions]

Just a reminder 100% of Erics responses were pulling up references that supported Terrance, Telling Terrance Money has corrupted academics, and stop teaching me. The most telling part was when Terrance finally gets Eric to understand there is no 0 or emptiness it's all energy and in motion. Erics only response was to talk about corruption in academics and how the system will reinforce existing bad ideas

[@williamgrierson4133]

​@@Rays_Bad_DecisionsWell said

[@michael-4k4000]

NO. having 19 and saying hit me, is plausible. Terrance has 21 and still asking for a hit.....

[@juneack5848]

Eric was the translator we needed for Terrance, he was great. Now we need one for Eric.

[@GingerPeacenik]

Heheh, exactly!

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

He lost me at the beginning when he was defending Neil degas Tyson..

[@pilar37]

Newton and Goethe tried to explain the Theory of Color. Newton used a mathematical framework, Goethe used a phenomenological approach. Newton said that the total color spectrum is contained in white light, Goethe said that color is the result of a dynamic interaction between two opposites, light and darkness. Who is right? At an intuitive level, I believe that Goethe was right. Terrence said that everything is in constant movement and interconnected, Eric did not agree. Sorry Eric, but math models explain second-order reality, at best. When science can tell us what life is, and create life out of nothing, then and only then I will be more inclined to listen to people like Eric

[@sayit1196]

@@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 huh ? are you brain damaged or have you just not a base mathematical logical brain that works ?

[@randeepwalia1507]

​@@pilar37that's wonderful. But really no one cares whether you will listen or not

[@scottjohnsonucf]

“Garlic makes my feet stink”

[@zshakur]

😆That was a great moment!

[@mkbane1262]

That’s when I realized he didn’t understood trigonometry

[@bmart13586]

A podcast about a podcast...

[@kellyaustinparker]

A comment about a comment about a podcast about a podcast.

[@crushinnihilism]

This format is super normal

[@Beatsandmma]

Commentary on commentary fml

[@thelonewrangler1008]

​@@kellyaustinparker clearly 1x1=2

[@bmart13586]

@@kellyaustinparker don't just stop there

[@richardhowe5583]

One thing I have learned from being on this earth for 70 years is that I will listen to everybody, especially someone that everybody else thinks it’s crazy. Then I will draw my own conclusions. Ronald Reagan said, the most terrifying thing a US citizen can hear is, I am from the government, and I am here to help you. In my years on earth, I have learned this to be true.

[@tezzo55]

But sir, when are we NOT listening to crazy people?

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

I generally agree but it also makes it easy to fall for people who speak confidently, like Terrance. Or anyone with a better than average vocab

[@danielnaberhaus5337]

He also told us trickle down economics are gonna be great for Americans. What a load of bs, the dude was an actor.

[@marcfavell]

Exactly Terrence is 100% wrong and he needs psychological help if you think that basic mathematics is wrong he's cooked And Eric is just a grifter 💯

[@marcfavell]

​@@somethingginterestingg4275Terrence is a fool 💯

[@louiscypher4275]

You say that peer review is outdated and worthless, but isn't that exactly what Eric Weinstien was doing on JRE?

[@LightWork4444]

An elite review.. like he said not a peer review

[@american_cosmic]

@@LightWork4444 There's nothing to peer review. As NDT pointed out, Terrence's entire "treatise" is based on nonsense like "1x1=2"...he lacks the fundamental understanding to even begin to talk about the theories and principles he thinks he's challenging. Asking Eric to "debunk" Terrence's bullshit is like asking him to debunk a 7 year-old's creative writing exercise.

[@louiscypher4275]

@@LightWork4444 is Eric not an elite peer? I guess I'm not seeing the difference.

[@HatedNelevated]

Appear, is someone on your level?So eric is elite and tarrant is not. It's not an elite pier.It's just someone who is elite to you ​@@louiscypher4275

[@wackobaka3991]

Elite review, unspoken, he does not consider Terrence a peer. And he never will.

[@koneswinslet3832]

Weinstein is a narcissist, evident in how he lectures everyone because he's accustomed to being listened to. He studied and repeated everything, gaining admiration. His critical nature is a facade to appear humble. He starts by sugar-coating before becoming passive-aggressive, exemplifying a smart narcissist who manipulates those around him. Weinstein revealed that his community doesn't want Terence to speak because they have studied extensively and won't engage with someone who hasn't followed their path, creating an unreachable elitist group. Even with Terence's evidence, Weinstein dismisses him, believing himself superior and knowledgeable. If they are scientists and truly love science, they should be open to new ideas and collaborative efforts. However, if science becomes more about ego and recognition, they focus on who brings the idea rather than the idea itself, often shutting people down instead of examining their contributions. This behavior shows they aren't true scientists but individuals seeking personal fame and admiration. Real science welcomes everyone with good ideas. When Terrance wants to explain his ideas, these so-called scientists are immediately offended because, in their eyes, Terrance uses the wrong language. So, they silence him by constantly telling him, "Don't lecture us!" But how can a person explain their point of view if every explanation is seen as lecturing? Weinstein mentioned that they dismiss Terence's papers because he used offensive language, which insulted them. This is the first time I've heard a scientist reject an idea based on personal offense. It seems the "woke" society has negatively influenced the scientific community. Throughout their conversation, Weinstein dominated, undermining Terence by claiming superiority on every topic. Terence repeatedly indicated his understanding, but Weinstein's narcissism prevented acknowledgment. Weinstein's condescending behavior, such as raising his finger to silence Terence, was excessive and constant. Weinstein enjoys using complex words to seem intelligent, though he often makes little sense. He criticizes Terence's professionalism while hypocritically striving for the same recognition. This conversation is a clear example of how a narcissist silences others, alternating between insults and false praise, revealing the manipulation people often fail to recognize in narcissistic behavior.

[@elvisoreskovic]

Bingooo!👍

[@Segnon]

Exactly

[@clintonpeabody4833]

This is an amazingly accurate breakdown of what I watch for four hours

[@kevinsedwards]

Dang...too bad Terrence is a 🤪🫨

[@Solo--Solo]

Bullseye!

[@Jones-z2t]

A different Terrance, Terence McKenna said that modern science is based upon the principle: 'Give us one free miracle & we'll explain the rest."

[@HoboBonobo]

Terrance McKenna was great. Now that was an insane Terrance who could articulate his “crazy” ideas that were difficult to argue against

[@tailoredbynature6984]

It is safe to say that most persons have no clue or concept of what Terrence Howard had discovered, based on negative opinions and online criticism of his findings. Unbeknownst to many is the complexity of his Lynchpin technology and how it has unlocked our invisible universe. This means we are now able to see and predict the visible and invisible universe that scientists typically referred to as dark matter or dark energy. In essence, his unlocking of the flower of life has granted us access to all dimensional portals that were closed due to the greed and selfishness of mankind. I only hope within this cycle that we use it for good and not evil as we enter another test of becoming trusted stewards of The Lord of the Rings.

[@Shadinsb]

"Weinstein is here to clear things up!" Said no one ever.

[@american_cosmic]

There's nothing to clear up. Those of us who actually earned our high school diplomas understand that Terrence is literally talking nonsense.

[@Shadinsb]

@american_cosmic that and Eric has never cleared anything up.

[@american_cosmic]

@@Shadinsb Lol there is NOTHiNG to clear up! People like EW are *stunned* that it's even come to this, but Terrence is famous so people are interested in what he's saying... but those people are scientifically-illiterate and don't have even a basic highschool-level understanding of mathematics. if they did, they wouldn't be giving Terrence's nonsense the time of day.

[@Shadinsb]

@american_cosmic my comment is about Eric and the way he speaks in general, all the time.

[@american_cosmic]

​@@Shadinsb oh, i see. Personally, i like his style... he has little patience for ignorant/stupid people.

[@MMABeijing]

Is the black guy there to pretend tom is not having monologues?

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

The what guy?

[@0xSpaceCowboy]

​@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 🐒

[@john13623]

Cynicism and racism in 12 words.

[@AdamWeatherall]

@@john13623being able to see someone is “black” isn’t racist , clown world 🤡…

[@theDuctapeUnion]

@@MG-me7iwStill propagating they’re beyond ridicule? The protected class, while upholding that we’re all the same. Leftoid hypocrisy.

[@manuelcoronado6033]

Utility more important than truth? I feel that's a terribly dangerous point of view

[@crushinnihilism]

Unless you have a pragmatic epistemic system.

[@captiveamerica1776]

@@crushinnihilism you're on the rapematic epstein system

[@goodvibes-gy3jn]

I agree, that’s Jordan’s conception of truth.

[@observerone6727]

How about both, not a dichotomy or priority of the two. Knowing correctly (truth and reality) AND doing (utility) are equally important.

[@CleanPowerAuto]

If you can find and use utility while still seeking truth. Sometimes truth takes years to find, while utility can be around the corner on the path to find truth.

[@nonoh312]

In Eric’s word, “…stop teaching….” 😂

[@kevinbaty8719]

This is the problem a scientist who only theories telling someone with another theory don't teach how to you explain a concept without teaching. This podcast was a warning

[@bigcurt7820]

@@kevinbaty8719EXACTLY

[@AceThaWinner]

I agree, how shoud he explain if he cannot teach ? Nonsense 101.

[@Edgar-Friendly]

@@AceThaWinner Talk to a teacher and we can easily explain the obvious for you. Terrance is like a blind mute going to Hollywood telling actors how to talk and emote facial expressions.

[@joshuam4993]

@@kevinbaty8719 Terrence is not a scientist and he doesn't have any actual theories. He's got a hodge podge of ideas that he took from others, like Walter russel. Weinstein may be an academic but is more open minded. And the extremely sophisticated mathematics and theoretical framework of what they do, while perhaps off on a fundamental level - is still incredible work. Sorry man, they aren't at the same level

[@yonikki]

I was always taught to first and foremost agree on the DEFINITIONS of every single word before engaging in any kind of debate.

[@Space_Ache]

Agreed. That is why political debates have become increasingly useless over time. Simple terms are not agreed upon

[@father3dollarbill]

Yep. Terrence changed definitions, made up new ones and used metaphors without saying that it was so. And was very resistant to the idea he could be wrong.

[@observerone6727]

Problem is, meaning of just one word depends on a network of the meanings it is based on, the context, and the state of mind (Meaning Making machine) of the people considering the word itself, and then the outer meaning of the sentence. Human communication thru words is so fraught with assumptions, perspectives, subconscious forces, and misunderstandings.

[@CyberDrone0]

💯

[@sup1e]

@@father3dollarbill My guess is he got to some point in school where teachers started pointing out he was wrong(likely in math :)) and instead of doing the work to learn just gave up. Then created his own math to prove he was really 'right' because he's an egomaniac/some other childhood issues etc. I'd be shocked if most of the stuff he's been talking about was entirely made up by him vs. say some new-agey people around him that have been feeding it to him. And I imagine the patent applications are a result of some shady people around him separating him from his money. He probably still believes they're going to make him billions eventually&a famed scientist :)

[@dragonfly686868]

Tom, I agree and disagree with what you’ve said here. Using the JRE Bob Lazar episode as an example. What Bob has observed how these spacecraft move was BEYOND the physics from our world - and nobody (as we’ve known yet, unless the govt hide it from us) has been able to back engineer how they worked. There are even elements that doesn’t exist in our periodic table found to propel those spacecrafts. If we want to travel the galaxies, we simply can’t use the established physics, elements, and mathematics to get there. The reason why science calls it “theory” is that so far it’s not yet proven / disproven - this means that no one has the “authority” that they are absolutely right - which was how Eric behaved. He did not let other people talk but spoke in an almost unbearable condescending way. He behaved as tho other people (and most of us lay people) are kindergartners. It was not a discussion at all. This is not to say that Terrance Howard was 100% correct - nobody knows, INCLUDING Eric. If someone has all the answers we wouldn’t be stuck in the current state of reality n affairs. I went into that podcast with tremendous respect for Eric but I came out very disappointed and disturbed by his behavior. It was a masterclass not on physics / mathematics but on human psychology. I agree with you on Neil degrees T.’s response. Not a big NDT fan (anymore) but he responded with good faith. In this podcast, Joe and Terrance went into it with good faith. But I cannot say the same for Eric Weinstein.

[@corysgood881]

Yeah I tend to agree. It seems like we saw very different interviews than Tom. It seemed to me that Eric had trouble disproving Terrence's ideas and so he pulled out his giant "I am smarter than you" ego and waved it around, which really didn't help his arguments against Terrence's ideas.

[@pookieraythanos]

💯 Agree with everything said …. The so called experts are indoctrinated into complacency & stupidity in order to serve the agenda of the “elites” …Even the smartest of the scientists are giving compartmentalized knowledge & information. I think Terrance stumbled onto something that advanced civilizations utilize in order to travel to & fro at what seems like the speed of light . Ask these so called scientific geniuses to replicate & explain UFO’s & USO’s and they become Gomer Pyles.

[@robby3193]

Yall are tripping. First off, a scientific theory means something is widely accepted as true to the best of our knowledge. The word you’re looking for is hypothesis. Secondly, Eric was at times and in small doses perhaps condescending sure. But it wasn’t because he couldn’t disprove Terrence’s ideas. Terrence, with no mathematical rigor whatsoever and zero experimental evidence was making wild claims. That’s Eric’s issue. Terrence “could” be right. But you can’t just make a claim. You need experimental evidence or theoretical math to back up what you’re saying. Even some predictions. Terrence had none of that. Eric was helping me understand what’s known as developing “scientific rigor”

[@ryeisenman]

I think NDT is right (Dunning Krueger is a stage on everyone's educational trajectory, and to advance to a higher level you basically have to realize that you aren't as smart as you think you are). I watched 10 min of the KZbin video by Terrence Howard "An exploration of the nature of the square root of two". He hits an obvious algebra error at 9:37 and I posted the following comment: Yes Terrence, (2^(1/2))^3 = 2*(2^(1/2)) . Nothing strange about it. That is a true statement. Plug it into your calculator. You need to enter all the parentheses correctly. But that equation IS NOT what you verbalize in the next slide at 9:54 What that equation says is, letting "x" be the unknown "given number" : (x^(1/2))^3 = 2*(x^(1/2)) And answering your question "show me a place in history where there's a given number...." : Answer: Sure, no problem, the "given number", the solution, is x=2 The specific error you make (CORRECTION IN CAPS) on slide at 9:54: No, your equation does not say: "The square root of a given number multiplied by 2 has the same value as that number cubed" Rather it says: "The square root of a given number multiplied by 2 has the same value as THE SQUARE ROOT OF that number cubed" Now even my correction of your verbal statement does not fully communicate the mathematical equation clearly because it is hard to verbally communicate the location of parentheses. In particular the second clause of your verbal statement is ambiguous because it could be interpreted as either 2*(x^(1/2)) OR (2*x)^(1/2). (And, by the way, your first clause is referring to the right side of the equation, and your second clause, to the left. But that's a minor point. It does add to the confusion because people customarily read things right to left.) I suggest avoiding attempting to articulate algebraic equations verbally. Its best to communicate using the mathematical language directly, the mathematical language is unambiguous. Perhaps this is where you are encountering difficulty.

[@sh0k0nes]

@@ryeisenmanthis needs to be pinned. He doesn’t understand the basics and has no one he listens to, to correct it. Then the other weirdos that don’t have a clue either, like the ones posting here, say ‘he might have a point. He’s too smart for the establishment.’ Or what the fuck ever. Education is elevation. People should study the basics more. AFTER SCHOOL.

[@irowebot]

I love Eric, but he didn't let Terrence explain why he thinks he's right. He wasted the whole podcast picking apart the language he used

[@pilar37]

Newton used a mathematical framework whereas Goethe used a phenomenological approach to try to explain the Theory of Color. Newton said that the total color spectrum is contained in white light; Goethe said that color is the result of a dynamic interaction between two opposites, light and darkness. Who was right? At an intuitive level, I believe that Goethe was right. Terrence said that everything is in constant movement and interconnected, Eric did not agree. Sorry Eric, but math models can only explain second-order reality, at best. When scientists can tell us what life is, and create life out of nothing, then and only then I will be more inclined to listen to people like Eric 😊

[@blas4m3]

That’s why he came.

[@montyboy711]

The language is important. If Terrence thinks he’s talking about one thing and Eric thinks another then they can’t make ground on the work being discussed. I think what Eric was showing Terrence is that he needs to learn the language to better articulate his ideas and that in doing so he may find the flaws in his work.

[@Blandge]

Eric wasn't there to figure out why Terrance thinks he's right. He was there to separate the bullshit from the not bullshit.

[@wizard4203]

correct. Eric doesn't get to decide who can teach and who can't. but he thinks he is. He is a typical arrogant jew, tbh, as rabbis talks about their theology the same way Eric talks about Physics. "listen to me very carefully" "stop doing what you're doing." "you don't understand our language, our method." at one point, he even said, "never do this again." insanity.

[@brianaeiland9321]

That episode is extremely important! Especially the part Eric explains the mass delusions we are experiencing.

[@ChristopherDwiggins]

Eric is a great example of a competent Neil tyson. He did a long-winded version of what Neil did.

[@mreconomics1125]

When was that

[@MrPappy-tk1vy]

We are barely waking up from the slap in the face the internet has been to our psyches. We have been freight trained by technology as a generation and we are all just starting to learn to tread water in this ocean of exponential growth. Our civilization was once a pot of water that changed temperature as the environment did, but in recent centuries it has been heated by discovery and collaboration and now it is a roiling boil.

[@drewber2006]

​@@ChristopherDwigginsNeil basically told him to fuck off. What Eric did was amazing and he deserves a lot of praise for entertaining Terrence ideas

[@DangleSan]

One of the biggest points of the confusion is mainstream science trying to claim words or terms, For example science claimed the term super symmetry to mean something very specific to them so when Terence was using it they thought he was full of s*** but to the average people they understand the word symmetry and once you see the 3D objects he's putting together it's impossible to say they're not symmetrical but because science likes to claim things it created confusion

[@suj1201]

Terrance wasn’t shut down by Neil at 1:20. Neil went through Terrance’s paper and pointed out the errors. He has no obligation to humor an actor who does science as a hobby, without having requisite background knowledge any further that. Terrance doesn’t need to be reviewed by scientists. He needs to be reviewed by medical doctors.

[@sisandamatomela3272]

Thank you !! Neil was the kindest to Terrance, Eric and Joe Rogan brought him on that show to caricature him !!

[@suj1201]

@@sisandamatomela3272 yes, I hope Joe has Neil back on again.

[@Derickrocket]

Everyone’s trying to put Terrance in a box. Mathematical box, scientifical box. And saying to him the only way we’ll listen to you is if you follow this stuff. Everyone can shut up, and let the man speak. He’s a self learned genius. What happened to einstein and tesla if you put them in a fucking box. THERE IS NO BOX. Don’t tell him what he can and can’t say. All you can say to him is PROVE IT. He needs funding to build the things he talks about. Just like Tesla. Wasn’t until we look back at history that we realize they were on to something when we left everything we thought we knew at the doorstep. When people call him a narcissist and that he didn’t listen to Eric. Eric did all of the talking. Trying to box him in so others would listen to him, so he wouldn’t be labeled crazy. Terrance is a one of a kind. He has patents and inventions, he’s talking the talk and walking the walk. We don’t need people trying to put out his fire, because he’s trying to elevate us and science and math to a new level. Everyone’s so stuck in their ways.

[@kevinsedwards]

Sorry but no

[@TheWhisperingPenis]

Utter bollocks. The models hes using could be used at small scale. You can create mini models or, if its math related, you can use math to prove your theory, but Terrence Howard understands nothing about math. Hes in lala land, projecting LSD levels of reality onto numbers, AKA, a lunatic.

[@AceThaWinner]

They're sheep n not capable of thinking outside the box or, in fact, think for themselves. I'm not saying Terrence is right, but i welcome his thoughts and will listen to his theories.

[@kevinsedwards]

@@AceThaWinner 🤪😵‍💫🥜

[@joshuam4993]

@@Derickrocket couple things : He's not a self learned genius. He's a self learned enthusiast. I know dozens of friends more qualified to talk about what he does, alternative engineers who yall dont give af about because they aren't Hollywood famous. Second, he doesn't even get those right. He speaks truth, but he doesn't nail even Walter Russels ideas. The periodic table chat that comes from russel he misrepresented. It's not about octaves of sound, but of a whole different medium. You giving him funding is giving a grifter. He lied about his patents. He doesn't have 97. His ar thing is literally defunct and no one stealing trillions. He didn't discover unified field equation. His math is uh.... Well we won't go there. There is no workable theory. No legit math. No actual testable theory.

[@Aroundtheworld-ew6rx]

I truly believe Eric was trying to help Terrence. But the one thing that stood out is Eric was talking and explaining things in 2D and Terrence theory is based in 3D according to him.

[@pilar37]

Newton used a mathematical framework and Goethe used a phenomenological approach to try to explain the Theory of Color. Newton said that the total color spectrum is contained in white light, Goethe said that color is the result of a dynamic interaction between two opposites, light and darkness. Who was right? At an intuitive level, I believe that Goethe was right. Terrence said that everything is in constant movement and interconnected, Eric did not agree. Sorry Eric, but math models can only explain second-order reality, at best. When science can tell us what life is, and create life out of nothing, then and only then I will be more inclined to listen to people like Eric 😊

[@cvxcfv]

The fuck are you saying

[@manqobasibeko7251]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Aroundtheworld-ew6rx]

@@cvxcfv vantage point. In a basketball game there are many refs in order to see the same event but differently. Hence Terrence is looking at the same thing differently than Eric.

[@Aroundtheworld-ew6rx]

@@pilar37 Dang well said.

[@elmecahomaja]

Tom Bilyeu, amazing commentary and thoughts about that podcast with Eric, Terrance and Joe! I'm grateful that there are people like you and the three aforementioned, you all are providing a priceless service for humanity.

[@ghostrecon3214]

Eric was so right when he said Joes podcast IS the place this needs to be done. Media, journals, etc have failed. I thought he did a perfect job. Stern, honest, sensitive enough, clearly in good faith.

[@Jupitersonlyson]

Facts bro!!!! Caught that too. Makes you start questioning the checks and balances of science. It's dangerous because we all take these as fact.

[@father3dollarbill]

I agree with you.

[@Ln-cq8zu]

​@@Jupitersonlyson Im an old bod, The science was never settled in my day, it was a given there us always more to find out!

[@Shadinsb]

Lmao he said that because it's no where near worthy of peer review.

😂

[@NinjaArts]

Has anyone else noticed a pattern? Aside from Terrance/Eric- A Mozart pops up. The establishment attacks them their whole life. Mozart dies. The establishment says to every young musician: if you wanna be a Mozart you have to come to us. Because we are now the owners of Mozart (even tho we killed him). Eric is rare among his peers, but his peers are the wicked establishment who kills Mozarts and takes their work. Psychopathy is the real problem. They know everyone would prefer a Mozart, not the losers who persecuted him and stole his work. The establishment is almost 100 percent the latter, and they work so hard to look like people who’ve had original thoughts. But they’re usually parroting great men- wielding that as a weapon. But they are NOT among the ranks of those great men. And they make a lot of noise to keep you from noticing that fact. No offense to the legit ones.

[@pristineparr7509]

Yaassss you need a 1000 likes😂

[@madonnahudgens7168]

well said...thank you for putting into words what I was thinking

[@madonnahudgens7168]

[@NinjaArts]

@@pristineparr7509 thank you for reading:)

[@NinjaArts]

@@madonnahudgens7168 thank you

[@theofficialconscioustrappe5756]

I can’t wait tell Terrence Howard prove all of yall wrong, anything strange and new is always perceived as crazy in the beginning, but why are Eric colleagues are so upset?

[@bluesrocker33]

Yep. right there with you. It's amazing there are still people who will make the same mistakes from the past.

[@AlS-kz1yy]

terrence is an actor not a mathmatician. he sounds like the scientologist guy

[@Edgar-Friendly]

You ever argue with a woman where you wre right in ALL the facts, but all she keeps saying is about your tone. You modulate your tone to say the same thing and all of a sudden she hears you? Terrance can't roll up like he alone has the secrets of reality without connecting with the people he wants to connect with. As an actor, Terrance should know this already.

[@american_cosmic]

Lol @ Terrence Howard fanboys who didn't pass basic high school math

[@joshuam4993]

@@theofficialconscioustrappe5756 you're just playing into clichés that are sometimes true. But not always Terrance is not spewing all bs but it's just good in the sense of sharing info. Not what he makes himself out to be. . I've studied most the things he has for 15 years now. And while he's correct on a few things, he not only got mainstream math and science wrong, but many of the alternative concepts he talked about. It doesn't help he lied about his degree, he lied about his patents about his accomplishments. He literally said he discovered the unified field theory

[@4amcreationshhi]

My Sicialian Grandfather gave me solid advice at ten: “We don’t talk to cops, and we definitely don’t talk to the government.”

[@barryheyns5111]

I learned something from a very intelligent professor from the University of Texas in Dallas... He told me, "If you learn nothing else from me, then remember these two things... Never miss an opportunity to go to the bathroom, and never stand next to the king." When I asked about the second one, he replied, "Well, who's the king?" 🤔

[@sayit1196]

was he also a lazy criminal that was led out of prison to go terrorise american families ?

[@attiylanen]

Just like in Cosa Nostra, huh?

[@DaggerSecurity]

whats the difference between the cops and the government?

[@american_cosmic]

@@DaggerSecurity who cares?

[@kazejah1014]

The best thing Eric told Terrence that he needs to part with the "I'm going to show you/teach you" way of communicating when he's talking to the experts that can possibly help him get ot the bottom of whether his ideas have merit or are absolute garbage. I'm an engineer. I have no problem with debating any part of my profession with a novice, but if their position is that they are going to come in and teach me, I'm going to be less receptive, especially if what they are trying to teach makes no sense. But if they frame it purely in the theoretical and in the question, the discourse will be smooth and flawless.

[@95Josey]

Its about ACADEMIA; AND THAT ACADEMICS WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS HIRED IN UNIVERSITY FOR TEACHING. These people have their own lingo and dont like being taught. Most of them are so Stuck up; that without humility they disregard you as stupid and not worth endeavouring; and even if you demonstrate humility - most of them tjink you arent worth their time... because they are establisjed Experts also due their PROFESSION AND ACADEMIC ENVIRONMENT.

[@father3dollarbill]

@@95Josey it's some of that but Terrence is wrong. He was teaching. He was putting forth ideas of his that fell short of reality. It drew on metaphors and excluded principles worked on by many people. Terrence closed his mind once he thought he knew what the truth was. Then saw connections that weren't there. Made conclusions that fall short of reality. He himself lacked humility because he wasn't questioning anymore. He was claiming too many things that lacked a deeper understanding of ALL the moving parts. A metaphor: He drew plans on how to build a car but with half the parts missing, without learning how to build a car. And not knowing half the parts are missing. Then claimed he invented something new and couldn't figure out why most experts on building cars weren't taking him seriously.

[@father3dollarbill]

agreed.. Terrence is sure he discovered new things, discarding what was already discovered by others and all that was achieved with said discoveries. He closed his mind to the possibility he is wrong on many levels and missing key parts of his idea elaboration process and knowledge. Then went on to claim and teach. I understand why many didn't want to speak to him or just mocked and ridiculed him.

[@kazejah1014]

@@95Josey True, but it's not really limited to academia. It's anyone who is in a profession when they are faced with someone who is a complete novice but speaks like they have the knowledge to totally uppend said profession. Next time the plumber or electrician comes into your home to do something, take his tools from him, and sit him and down and tell im how you're about to teach him how HIS JOB is done....and see what he does.

[@kazejah1014]

@@father3dollarbill Absolutely right! He's just not as good at communicating as he thinks he is. Which is a shame because if you watch the exchanges, hes not having trouble keeping up with the material, which means it's all familiar to him at best or he knows it fairly well at most. It's a communication and presentation problem with him which quite iikely starts as you said with his own closed mindedness.

[@ricodelta1]

The fact that Terrance has generated this much hype to the point that other podcasters and mainstream physicists have to comment and talk about his ideas is saying something

[@m-bronte]

The only reason people are watching this is because Terrance is pulling a Charlie Sheen and losing his mind in real time, declaring himself a scientist, when he is an actor, playing the part of a scientist. His pretend acting has now merged into his real life and now he thinks he is a scientist.

[@doggietreats67]

terrance is only getting hype is because he is on Rogan.

[@735337707]

He's famous and insane.

[@1WriterGaming.Official]

He’s challenging the institutions and they can’t handle it so they make him look like his crazy

[@735337707]

@@1WriterGaming.Official how did he challenge the institutions? By rambling for 4 hours?

[@LouisSmith-wt9vh]

[@ROBLOXTHANOS]

Your logic is sound, Tom. I hear you.

[@trapdoorfloyd]

Man those elites in America and around the world love that book called 1984. 😎

[@mstone-wd7kc]

What does 1984 have to do w/any of this?

[@american_cosmic]

Lol what inane point did you think you were making by bringing up 1984?

[@trapdoorfloyd]

@@american_cosmic you forgot to mention shallow and pedantic 😎

[@american_cosmic]

@@trapdoorfloyd So what's your answer?

[@trapdoorfloyd]

@@american_cosmic my answer is there's no bones in ice cream 🍨

[@jabariksmith5563]

My brother, I don’t know if you realize this or not but you literally just gave a master class effective communication. Salute to you. 🫡

[@FegaroScheu]

*If you are not in the financial market space right now, you are making a huge mistake. I understand that it could be due to ignorance, but if you want to make your money work for you...prevent inflation*

[@WhitehallVallieres]

Interesting, This is superb! Information, as a noob it gets quite difficult to handle all of this and staying informed is a major cause, how do you go about this are you a pro Investor?

[@FegaroScheu]

Brian Humphery Services was my hope during the 'bear summer' last year. I made so many mistakes but also learned so much from it, and of course from Brian.

[@NaragonSpencer]

I'm a bit perplexed seeing him mentioned here I also Didn't know he has been good to so many people too this is wonderful, i'm in my fifth trade with him and it has been super,

[@LELANDJONES10]

I reallywant to get my life together. Really me and my family has been into series of we've faced a lot of trials and tribulations and my income is not just enough

[@FegaroScheu]

Investing has proven to be an incredibly beneficial decision. My cryptocurrency profits continue to play a substantial role in growing my overall wealth, reducing my reliance on my salary...

[@ritaricci212]

I personally know of 4 people who died from COVID 19 related complications, it is a bold statement to say that "we were lied to" you probably wouldn't be saying this if you lost a loved one.

[@dr4761]

I'm not great at maths but even I understood the concept, as a child, of 1 lot of 1 equals 1.

[@peterduddington4189]

Excellent conversation (you fellows). I love hearing intelligent real breakdowns of this kind of stuff

[@mikeuptegrove]

Here’s the thing, both the guys here are coming from the premise that something about Eric makes Eric right. Why was it that it was, “Terrance doubling down”, and not Eric? There’s one thing we learned, Eric wasn’t good enough to take Terrance’s models on the spot and disprove them, so he’s obviously not that good. That’s a fact being overlooked. Even if he does that later, he wasn’t smart enough, literally!, to do it right then and there! Instead, Eric passive aggressively argued from authority and made indirect ad hominem attacks. Eric was far less impressive than the said dummy he was arguing with.

[@sharthakghosh970]

Terrance didn't give any "model". He gave word salads. Eric put it eloquently saying that Terrance looks at two different things finds some deep "meaning" and then using "words" tries to unify the two things. A model means, set of equations that then become the building blocks of some other concept that you are trying to prove. Terrance is all about a guy who thinks he is "special" and he kind of spilled it in the podcast that everyone missed. Another example, his idea of super symmetry is geometrically symmetrically objects. That's because he just saw two words in English and then created his own common sensical meanings out of it. Like today if I say complex numbers are those numbers that are too big to be calculated in your head, it sounds right but that is not what complex numbers really mean.

[@lymphy12]

Exactly. Eric was arguing from his version theoretical math calculations, which means I'm right you are wrong regardless of the fact that all of it is theoretical. Also the arrogance saying of stop teaching because I'm a black belt at this shit makes him the biggest tool. Reality is hard to quantify, hence why there are blue belts that would body so called black belts.

[@mikeuptegrove]

@@sharthakghosh970 not what I saw. And I don’t even care about the substance of the math or physics. One guy showed up prepared and one guy didn’t. The guy that didn’t used arguments of authority and passive aggressive ad hominem attacks to make his points. If Eric was so smart, he’d have demonstrated why Terrance was wrong with his own models and his own displays. He didn’t do that. He just kept trying to call a black dude dumb as politely as he could. The whole point of this podcast appears to be to let Eric know, he’s got to go back line by line and debunk now because he just ruined his reputation. That’s why this podcast you’re commenting on here, exists!

[@mikeuptegrove]

@@lymphy12 yep, total argument of authority the entire time: I’m an ivory tower guy I know, you don’t. You’re a nice idiot though. That was the entire thing. I’m not a Terrace fan be he behaved far better than Eric! Even if Terrance was 100% wrong. As far as debate goes, Eric lost. As far as facts go, I have no clue. I’m not a physicist.

[@pilar37]

Newton used a mathematical framework and Goethe used a phenomenological approach to try to explain the Theory of Color. Newton said that the total color spectrum is contained in white light, Goethe said that color is the result of a dynamic interaction between two opposites, light and darkness. Who was right? At an intuitive level, I believe that Goethe was right. Terrence said that everything is in constant movement and interconnected, Eric did not agree. Sorry Eric, but math models can only explain second-order reality, at best. When science can tell us what life is, and create life out of nothing, then and only then I will be more inclined to listen to people like Eric 😊

[@poettreeclimber]

Disagree. Terrence stated multiple times that his "1*1=2" is a metaphor. I don't recall, inspite of it being repeated multiple times, Eric directly addressing it as metaphor. He seemed to take it literally.

[@m-bronte]

Wrong! Eric stated that there was better examples Terrance could have used if he was trying to debunk math in his 1x1=2 equation.

[@willowgrey989]

He went back and forth calling it a metaphor because he didn't know what else to say. On one have he's debunked our entire mathematical framework but on the other it "just a metaphor." No, you can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to establishing "new" math and people like YOU are the stupid sheep he can manipulate

[@agnieszkagielata7461]

Tom speaks from the assumption that him and Eric Weinstein are right. And even Eric Weinstein admitted that math as we know it is the best thing we have at the moment. The podcast would confirm though that letting out some of the humors is good for you.

[@wrillywonka1320]

You are overlooking the fact that Terrance was introducing a completely new set of methods to acheive a consistent and cohesive mathmatical/scientific enviroment and still was able to build tangeable models and Eric, a narcissistic asshole tried to use the very methods that Terrance was working around (because its flawed) to disprove him? And while doin something so silly he spent 50% of the time insulting Terrance

[@bluesrocker33]

Because that's what those people do. They insult and use appeal to authority to "win" the debate.

[@TatiSaysSo]

The fact that they brought in a Jewish cleaner to discredit Terrance means he’s probably on to something. The fact that he’s texting with the music producer Rick Ruben, checks another box. What business do those two have with each other?

[@wrillywonka1320]

@@TatiSaysSo this is 100%

[@booharing642]

Spot on.

[@xave3829]

The new “models” Terrence introduces still have to be congruent with *each other* …logic and math is not a “method” it’s quite literally fundamental to how we assess new concepts and ideas and make progress in the field. And any new method introduced must be mathematically and logically consistent. If I want to introduce a “new version” of relativity, I can’t just ignore mathematical errors on the way to getting there…that’s called making stuff up. The current models are not “flawed” this is an erroneous way of thinking about the nature of math and science. We use math, physics, and chemistry to build logical models of how the physical world works such that each system is congruent with itself and subsequent systems are congruent with each other as well. The scientific community gets further and further as a collective consciousness until there are areas we can’t corroborate with each other (quantum physics at the moment) - Terrence is trying to make up his own (incorrect) systems for things we already have logically consistent models for. Eric was almost being too nice…

[@harvey2609]

Absolute nonsense. Terrence Howard is insane. Nothing he said made any sense.

[@paryanindoeur]

You are right about Eric being right about 'even wrong ideas have value'. Terence came up with some original models of different phenomena. The only bar we need to be concerned about, at first, is whether those models are _valid,_ which means that they do not contain _internal contradictions._ That's model validity. When people say "Is it right?" they are talking about a model's _strength._ That's a different issue, and can't be simply 'decided'. It could be 'wrong' and still contain some clever idea that turns out to be valuable. Original thinkers should be making these types of models without concerned about people calling them crazy. After all, there have been no new models in physics that have been experimentally verified in 50 years. People don't call Ed Witten 'crazy' because he's Ed Witten. But string theory is just a bunch of very creative ideas that have no experimental confirmation. We need new ideas, and most will be 'wrong', but when we sift through it all, something valuable will emerge.

[@plafar7887]

Terence didn't come up with anything. He created some pretty patterns and a word salad. Maybe he has a future as a graphics designer, sculptor, or rap artist, not as a scientist, engineer, or inventor.

[@AnnaMishel]

Terrence Howard reminds me of the saying “if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh$t”

[@lalahaha5313]

The scientific community is too dogmatic to function properly at this point. That's why Terrance can't get any traction.

[@TobyLerone76]

Would the 'baking community' give you any traction if you went on TV and said you need to be using rocks and pebbles and wood to bake cakes? What he is saying doesn't make any sense - at any level. Fuck me it's so simple - it's demonstrably false. It was all proven wrong about a century ago 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lalahaha5313]

@@TobyLerone76 The scientists themselves are saying that grants are only allocated to those who "walk the line" and that backstabbing is rampant amongst their peers. The field of science is covering up the trail of lies we've been told...which Terrance is exposing.

[@raypeery6317]

@@TobyLerone76 REEEEductio ad absurdum.

[@deltabravo6613]

If people actually watched the full 4 hour pod, they’d know that Eric actually confirmed that a number of things Terrance was saying were in fact true… and notice I said “a number of things” not ALL or even a majority.

[@willowgrey989]

He said most of it was so wrong it was offensive but good job taking what you wanted to hear and making a comment out of it

[@peznino1]

Eric did a terrible job at debunking Terrence. He was using very unnecessarily complicated explanations. Garbage.

[@jazzyjet7719]

I get the respect for Eric but I think he did a terrible job breaking down anything. He spent 4 hours lecturing and saying very little. Why did multiple VR companies site Terrence's work? Why did Terrence's work help a college grow larger crystals and give him a degree? Why does theoretical physics have to go through the main stream academia when it's all theoretical? I would have liked to hear more about what Terrence has actually done, than hear about why Terrence shouldn't be allowed to speak. + Drew is great

[@madonnahudgens7168]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@awgatsheni6598]

You're one of the ONLY SOBER contributer here. People are approaching this AS AN AUTHORITY OF KNOWLEDGE AND DISCOVERY. It's actually PATHETIC.

[@6feetunderpants]

Terrence hinself said that the degree was an honorary degree in humanities.

[@TheGiantMidget]

Because they have to cite his patent applications for legal purposes. None of his patents have actually been granted only applied for. Anyone can apply for a patent

[@ravenshield7823]

You're an idiot if you think eric did a bad job. It was absolutely brilliant the path he took, and how he even layed out the facts, reasons and inconsistencies in a chronological order to get Terrance to understand his mistakes beyond a shadow of doubt and also, doing him an unbelievably generous favor, potentially, by schooling him on how bad he will hang himself if he doesn't dot all his I's and cross all hi T's and how his body of work will be shit on and stolen if proper procedure, and truths are ignored, right down to simple terminology. Eric is saving him humiliation and offering him help in making his contributions "Terrance Howars", not someone else's. You clearly didn't watch the whole thing or are completely blind and deaf. Just because someone wants to profit on his idea, doesn't mean a single thing. It's about how his ideas and creation can change the world for better, not about money, wow. The degree he was awarded was the equivalent of a star sticker you get in preschool. Never mind, you're obviously a useless troll.

[@truthseeker247]

Why is Tom so upset and swearing so much? Tom are you upset with Terence? Terence might be wrong in certain things, but the fact that he dared to ask questions, has patents, put complicated models together, was able to verse in some scientific language that you probably don't even understand, shows what a deep thinker he is.

[@cruxio02]

TERRENCE DIDNT UNDERSTANT MOST OF THE WORDS HE WAS USING 🤣

[@MarcioSouza1]

Terrance is very very obviously a con artist. He’s just mixing big words together in ways that don’t even make sense.

[@AdamWeatherall]

@@cruxio02Eric Weinstein says Terrence Howard is a polymath… do you understand the level of that compliment? It’s like God saying you’re an Angel.

[@AdamWeatherall]

@@MarcioSouza1Con men don’t spend millions and a decade being laughed at…while they pursue their original intent. Fools speak when they have nothing to say.

[@TomasBradvica]

It is actually sad how many people misunderstood the positive energy they had on that episode, Eric prty much agrees on 70-75 % of Howards world view, Eric even totaly agreed on Howards models of imperfection (linchpin)...So not only that it is sad that people dont even know what they were listening for 4 hours its also sad that we have influencers making videos in which they spread disinformation...

[@Illumignostic]

The number of people still defending Terrence is horrific

[@mattmyers2624]

I don't think it's useful to assume even Eric is fully correct - which Eric even warns us of; which doesn't mean he gets 1st place pedestal position. Re: Everything is in motion - Terrance's argument evolved to that everything is at least on top of something moving, so perhaps everything in that "spring loaded" potential energy state - below that, that spring is getting propelled due to what's "moving" below? That will be at the level that I doubt we'll ever be able to do experiments to see or confirm, much like with knowing or believing or having faith there is a God or not.

[@DeborahMzDivine]

Stone tablets that have been carbon dated to 450,000 years ago that tell a story should be taken very seriously. They wanted us to get a message, simple...once upon a time ago our "governors" turned us into slaves and I can absolutely tell you conspiracies are real...to conspire...is to plot against: Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more verb make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act. "they conspired against him," Similar: plot hatch a plot form a conspiracy scheme plan lay plans intrigue collude connive collaborate consort machinate maneuver be/work hand in glove abet be an accessory be in cahoots cabal (of events or circumstances) seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment. "Everything conspires to exacerbate the situation" I've uncovered and been victim of conspiracies in NYC, perpetrated & covered up by officials & judges and God saved me from cancer so I can expose it! I don't care for either Trump or Biden...two bottles of poison...but Trump was used to make some real dirty crooks famous.

[@jeffberry5487]

This is what I wanted to comment. It seems they want to just throw this out instead of trying to find a way to test it. If you can't test it directly, then perhaps you could just create test models that assume it's correct to see if it works. Either way, I feel this is where they should start. If it's not right, it will debunk itself.

[@ghostrecon3214]

Everything is in motion, he wasn't wrong.

[@sayit1196]

if that is your conclusion you need an IQ test and a job as a garbage collector xD

[@corysgood881]

Yeah Eric actually never refuted that part of the argument either. Terrence said that the spring is actually in motion, if you look at it microscopically you will see the spring is taking what Eric called "potential energy" and it is vibrating at a higher rate than it was before. I think this is actually already proven isn't it? This is easy to google, it is known that everything in the universe is in motion. I think it is an absolute truth that everything is in motion, it just depends on your frame of reference. If you look at cup on your desk it doesn't look like it is moving at all, but if you were to look at that cup from a satellite telescope you would clearly see the earth is moving that cup at 1,000 mph because the earth is rotating. Everything is in motion all the time.

[@legalcoffee5315]

I agree - don’t just shut someone down when an idea doesn’t immediately fit standard frameworks) - frameworks are constructed by humans and are therefore not infallible - and I understand the purpose of frameworks is to safe guard our collective thinking - but letting someone riff on an idea (outside of frameworks) might indeed spark innovative thinking within or around the frameworks.

[@suj1201]

Joe may as well have on flat earthers at this point. Why not just _really_ stick it the “establishment”? 🙄

[@735337707]

If L. Ron Howard was alive today, he'd be preaching his BS on jre. And Joe would claim he's legit genius.

[@sisandamatomela3272]

Exactly !!

[@thomasbarrett9594]

Tom Bilyeu - I would not want the long form interview format to leave your channel, but this brief reaction and or discussion video was in itself utilitarian! You touched on many valuable points for a paradigm shift and i felt your exposition was fruitful and went well beyond a "reaction video". To move forward we need to continue to be able to speak freely, foster a d carry conversation, make time to explain and show context ans data, and beware of not throwimg out the baby with the bath water. Thank you for creating this video.

[@ExecutiveZombie]

Howard behaves like a young scientist who has more to discover. 😊

[@GingerPeacenik]

And being young and intensely curious is a great gift.

[@eeayquetting5963]

Aren't we all

[@father3dollarbill]

Sure, but a young scientist who also stopped learning because he thinks he knows enough. And drew conclusions from his limited knowledge. Then unintentionally "calls out" the people that actually did the work and research.

[@ExecutiveZombie]

@@father3dollarbill And your education, experience in correlation with your argument?

[@father3dollarbill]

@@ExecutiveZombie My experience and education/background wouldn't change what is written. Unless you're asking out of pure curiosity, which I'm inclined to believe isn't the case, this shouldn't even be a question that's brought forward in response to what I said. But, I could be wrong. I'm always open to it.

[@Davidbeattiification]

I found Tom especially eloquent in this deconstruction, very impressive :)

[@kurt5312]

The funny thing about academia look at the history aspect we're finding new stuff all the time that dates human civilization back thousands of years and academia just will not accept it seems contradictory to what learning is supposed to be but the academics act like This is it set in Stone this is how it was that information means nothing Which is just crazy

[@samdg1234]

I'll acquiece to those who can more succinctly state the problem than I. Here is The Free Press, When the legacy media encounters an inconvenient fact-Biden’s age, say, or Hunter’s laptop, or the lab leak, or the complexity of puberty blockers, or the riots of the summer of 2020-it likes to take some time to process the problem. Reporters need to discuss the issue over dinner, wring their hands about what to do, get yelled at for possible thought crimes by a righteously angry intern, mull some more, get yelled at again by another intern. To have more drinks, more meetings. There’s no rush to tell the American public about anything inconvenient. It’s important to be careful. To keep that information private for a year, maybe two years. Maybe three. But at a certain point-once a critical mass of outside, independent voices who don’t follow the same set of rules and who don’t covet what the reporters covet-say the inconvenient thing, finally and with a collective sigh, the mainstream press can tightly hold hands, take a step together, and recite in unison: Biden is in mental decline. If the spectacle of watching every legacy publication suddenly stand together and say just that gave you vertigo, it’s understandable. Did they all just happen to notice our aging president at once? Of course not. Every White House reporter, every fancy magazine profiler, they knew exactly what was going on with Joe Biden. They just didn’t think you, the reader, were ready to know. Also, did we mention the risk of getting yelled at by an intern? That’s hard. And, Tom's recent guest, Sam Harris, totally sanctioned such double speak on the laptop.

[@epicgoddess920]

The response Terrence Howard has gotten proves that he's on to something. Eric who.....

[@plafar7887]

No, he's not on to anything. He's delusional and Weinstein did a disservice to Terrence and everyone else by making it seem there's something of value in what he said.

[@epicgoddess920]

@plafar7887 if there wasn't value in what he said....they'd ignore him like they do everyone else they assume is dumb and ignorant. The fact that they're going thru so much to discredit him means they KNOW he's on to something.

[@plafar7887]

@@epicgoddess920 Wrong. Weinstein is there because he's apparently a friend of Joe's and because he likes the attention.

[@jamescarver5876]

@@epicgoddess920Not at all. It means people are entertained by the ramblings of lunatics. And it is entertaining. It’s just wrong.

[@epicgoddess920]

@jamescarver5876 lunatics ramble all the time...they don't get this level of vitriol.

[@Put-that-down]

Excellent breakdown, Bilyeu.

[@ancientfuturistic5132]

I got a feeling Terrance Howard is right... Everything is in motion.

[@mstone-wd7kc]

Lol he’s not right in the head and you should get some help.

[@pilar37]

Newton used a mathematical framework whereas Goethe used a phenomenological approach to try to explain the Theory of Color. Newton said that the total color spectrum is contained in white light; Goethe said that color is the result of a dynamic interaction between two opposites, light and darkness. Who was right? At an intuitive level, I believe that Goethe was right. Terrence said that everything is in constant movement and interconnected, Eric did not agree. Sorry Eric, but math models can only explain second-order reality, at best. When scientists can tell us what life is, and create life out of nothing, then and only then I will be more inclined to listen to people like Eric 😊

[@jerrycook9984]

He is absolutely correct yet Eric is a mind controlled academic who cannot face the fact that he was taught a bunch of bullshit.

[@DD-gi6kx]

eric was a disgrace to science in this, he sat there and said nothing as terrance spewed nonsence from his first thought, then after terrance spews countless idiocies eric politely corrects him on one stupid point. terrance said dewey decimal system several times and eric did not say a thing terrance said 1x1=2 due to conservation of energy, and eric let him go on and on

[@Alix88mnm]

My mom’s crazy friend told her she HAD to go listen to Terrance Howard. She understood everything he had to say …. Well guess what? They’re both fucking crazy …

[@cyberft]

My take away was that he clearly wasn’t crazy. Eric proved that.

[@ghostrecon3214]

I love what Terrence is doing and how he inadvertently got this discussion ablaze. Most geniuses are arguably "crazy" and even the ones that are accepted are eventually found to be wrong in part. Science is all about patterns, the trick is determining the cause of the patterns, especially when there are complex multi-variable causes.

[@barryheyns5111]

​@@cyberftyeah, he might be high, but not crazy... He just got his base knowledge of mathematics incorrectly from somewhere

[@monkeysuncle2816]

@@barryheyns5111 Terrence has NO base knowledge of mathematics.

[@MichaelH1232]

​@@cyberftEric was bending over backwards to find anything redeemable about what be Terrence was saying. Mostly it came down to that he made some cool models to put on your desk.

[@amicusaxiom]

I haven’t been hooked by your podcasts before. But this video here was one arrow on target after the other. GREAT ANALYSIS!

[@Westernkoala]

Terrence IS narcissistic and crazy. I watched that whole 4 hour interview and Terrence didn't truly listen to Eric's criticisms or corrections at all. He just doubles down assuming Eric doesn't understand.

[@neurotransmi77Er]

Narcs are all over the place, not so surprising considering our dogmas and environment.

[@Chevalier1982ful]

i think you are incorrect in your evaluation of the situation. you say terrence didnt listen. first of all when people are speaking in such high intellectual sophisticated topics how can one even know if terrence understood the criticisms. all you saw was a authrity firgure saying your wrong because asdlfj asdfkja adkajd giberrish. you didnt understand eric so how do you know that terrence did. if they really wanted to know if terrence was following along they would have to ask him do you understand this really and then get him to explain it back what he heard. and that is really way too long to do but to say he just wasnt listening is naive

[@saintpatrick6681]

Eric isn't God I know it's hard to believe

[@AdamWeatherall]

It’s hilarious that Eric Weinstein didn’t describe the interaction like this at all. You get he agreed to tutor Mr.Howard? Because he sees promise beneath the imperfections, this is what science has needed for decades your all lost if you don’t realize this.

[@JayDee-m9t]

​@@Chevalier1982ful they did actually ask him and he didn have a good understanding of the faraday graph

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

Not brilliant. Just another rich and famous guy who is surrounded by people who aren't honest with him. Anytime someone tells him he's wrong, he's shocked because he never hears it.

[@frankiegee5260]

I believe nothing I read and half of what I see. Learned this early on in life. 🤔

[@american_cosmic]

You are an example of the failure of the public education system.

[@willowgrey989]

​@@american_cosmicIkr

[@AncientAdvancedCiv]

Terrance isn't a narcissist. If you think he's potentially a narcissist, you'll likely think that about any autodidactic learner. They're enthusiastically unpolished.

[@montuedge]

29:29 who is it ???

[@sfarmertoo]

i know right!

[@diogolopes5438]

How can they say they're holding up well when you can clearly see the destruction of what he says, the way he expresses himself seems to have lost his nerve. The basis of his idea is wrong and everything else falls without the right foundation.

[@aboycalledjohn]

Tom - I appreciate your attitude; I think you are spot on.

[@PetalynSwartHeartFueled]

I followed both Howard's and Rogans interviews as well as Degrassi's rebuttal and I think this is a very excellent perspective on all of it. I LOVED the whole process of exploration and testing against Eric's open mind. The whole curve of Howard's journey is a beautiful story and model for how it's not only ok to think (even if we are way off base) and to be heard with a desire to think better, while holding sacred the the shore of ignorance we all have, and having the courage to test test test. I 100% agree with you that, and this is the way I put it, we all are like fractals of human intelligence, like neurons of a collective brain, and this is how the brain becomes more intelligent and interesting. By interacting and through discourse. I've REALLY enjoyed watching it all unfold, and in that alone if nothing else, Howard offered us all an amazing reminder to think for ourselves. And Eric modeled beautifully how to sort baby from bath water, at least under the current laws of our current sciences.

[@LesterRobertsJr]

Isn't everything always moving (in motion) no matter what because our planet is always moving (in motion)?

[@guatemalan360]

Yes!!!

[@roydonmatthew8029]

you keep saying wrong when you literally have no idea if it is wrong or not.

[@onwardatlast]

I’m blown away by how academic knowledge is maintained as the only legitimate source of understanding. Age of reason reductionism have led us to the poly-crisis where indigenous wisdom is quickly becoming a source for solutions.

[@1x93cm]

its a cult of tech priests. Sabine Hossenfelder said as much and was why she left.

[@Neys_Nest]

SPOT ON ! We re living in TRUMAN SHOW

[@raypeery6317]

@@1x93cm Sadly, now she uses YT to do the same thing.

[@m-bronte]

If Terrance has a legit theory of anything then he needs to write a thesis and submit it to the science academy. Not just declare yourself a scientist because you got patents on your delusions. c-mon get real

[@vibehighest]

wait who is the other dude next to Tom? lol

[@suj1201]

He’s just there to make it appear like Tom is having a “conversation.” 😅

[@Aeroheart]

It wasn’t a debate, it was a witch hunt. They weren’t listening to anything Terrence said.

[@TatiSaysSo]

Mr Weinstein is a fed or a cleaner for sure.

[@american_cosmic]

Because what Terrence is saying is NONSENSE. He's literally talking nonsense. There is literally nothing to debate. But all these public education failures are so easily impressed the rest of us are expected to put up with his bullshit. Every day we are getting closer to the movie idiocracy becoming a reality.

[@Aeroheart]

@@american_cosmic You can’t call Terrence’s work nonsense. He can explain his vision, he can mathematically prove his position, and he can actualize it through physical models. What you can say is YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IT. It’s easy to insult genuine and call something NEW!!! “bullshit” when you are incapable of thinking past the 2% brain power you use daily. This is the time for innovation, creation, and new perspectives. It’s a new millennia!!! What side of history are you on???

[@Aeroheart]

@@TatiSaysSo omg you seen it too. The whole interview they were telling monkey jokes, threatening him, trying to completely dismiss him as a person, and wouldn’t let him speak. It’s nuts!!!

[@american_cosmic]

@@Aeroheart No, he CANNOT explain his theories and models mathematically... that's the whole point! He doesn't understand the mathematical theories and principles he was attempting to use to substantiate his nonsense. EW spent FOUR HOURS explaining that to him, and everyone else, yet people like you refuse to understand this. Willful ignorance, at this point.

[@kurtnunn6116]

I’ll file this under “why did I bother”

[@lhurst9550]

It is amazing the person Tom is talking to does not realize Terrance is insanely deranged and ignorant.

[@jamienightingale707]

Neil needs to review high school biology

[@willowgrey989]

You look like a January 6th rioter trying to say SCHOLAR needs to reevaluate biology. DK affect at ist finest w you!

[@davidcross890]

When these people call factual visionaries CRAZY clearly indicates the visionary is right on the extremely inconvenient for some...truth🎯

[@Mastermindyoung14]

being called crazy is a terrible barometer to gauge if you're "on the right path"

[@davidcross890]

​@@Mastermindyoung14👍👍👍👍👍

[@barryheyns5111]

Are you the famous comedian?

[@davidcross890]

@@barryheyns5111 no sir. Inventor and Visionary

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

What a dumb conclusion to come to. Tons of dumb people think they are smart because they don't know enough to realize how much they don't know.

[@DeborahMzDivine]

I was told by many of my government friends, yes...there are awesome, helpful humans still in the government with moral compasses & ethics...I only refer to the rotten apples in my post...that there are only two types in this country...the taxpayer civilians & the government agents...my ex, a government employee said to me pick a side you're either with the government or not when I started fighting back in my own situation. "You won't win!!!" Well, I love a challenge and I keep impeccable records, I'm not scared of anything after how they harassed and abused me & my daughter while I was alone battling cancer during the pandemic. False info on our records, so much illegal activity documented over 10 years. NYC is engaging in so much fraud against the citizens. Although, I don't like Trump's ways the people who prosecuted him are hypocrites, crooks...FACTS!!! YES!!! The FBI is useless...5 years of complaints, want to bring my evidence in and they refuse!!!

[@Space_Ache]

I equate our government more to an infection rather than rot or bad apples. Infection spreads. It destroys the good. The infection in our government is so pervasive no amount of "good(people)" can fix it.

[@realandthebandit2535]

Everything is in motion though. Weird how Eric couldn’t admit this. Nothing still on a moving planet, nevermind the atomic. I feel like TH sees this and it only reaffirms his theodicies.

[@vibehighest]

there are forms of mathematics that do not apply to the real world.

[@noseyparker6969]

Hey, if you think you're leaving me out of the money hustle you are wrong. Here's a pointless video to confirm this statement.

[@MichaelLaFrance1]

bingo

[@mikeuptegrove]

I can’t comment about the math or physics, I know nothing. Eric lost a lot of his credibility and Terrance gained a lot of credibility. Why: Terrance tried to explain, came prepared and tried to show us. Eric argued from authority, and used passive aggressive ad hominem attacks. Eric lost irrespective of physics and math. It was Eric’s worst moment.

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

You are definitely in the minority.

[@yilo9990]

Yes, usually the smartest people are The minority​@somethingginterestingg4275

[@raypeery6317]

@@somethingginterestingg4275 you have no way of knowing that. Must be in academia.

[@mikeuptegrove]

@@somethingginterestingg4275 with regard to my assessment of a debate and the sort of rhetoric that was employed? Then there’s a lot of stupid people out there yet, irrespective of their math and physics accreditations. I don’t know shit about physics but I know what an indirect ad hominem is and I know what an argument from authority is, and I know what passive aggressive is. All of those happened quite clearly and anyone in the majority saying otherwise probably took 3 boosters, stuck things up their noses, and wore a mask for three years.

[@pristineparr7509]

@@mikeuptegroveFACTS! You said this perfectly

[@domferretti]

I like this format 👍

[@Forbiddin]

Terrance is onto something Somethjng very powerful

[@Thefamilychannel723]

He is not completely wrong but makes the wrong associations.

[@Forbiddin]

@@Thefamilychannel723 I see what you’re saying I hope someone can continue to lead him in the right direction!

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Do they even know it's the 4th of July? 🔴💀🔵 !!

[@Anthony_Ponce]

I’m hung up on who Tom doesn’t want on the podcast again.

[@kanaikid619]

Andrew Huberman?

[@fueradelacascara]

My money is on Joe Dispenza.

[@Anthony_Ponce]

Tai Lopez ?

[@fueradelacascara]

@@Anthony_Ponce naaah, he's being invited more than once.

[@Jamesrwatsonx]

​@@fueradelacascaraJoe's been on several times.

[@nicholasbabcock9384]

Toms obersvations on the current state of things were worth the listen, alone. Dead on.

[@chayankhoidream]

I love fools. Especially Eric. Its like watching a carnival of pseudo reality at play, all the while, with the participants thinking it IS, the real. Regarding “no ghosts in the machine”, it’s glaring obvious the speaker doesn’t understand the world as he fails to see himself… 👀 The double sided sword of confidence; having it emotes people to your way of thinking; but if you’re empirically wrong, you just convinced someone of something irrelevant or irrational. Lets talk about Eric’s secret sauce... The secret sauce is OBFUSCATION. Obfuscation is the key factor here. Using words and terms no one is familiar with and cannot defend against. Instead of discussing the model, which takes time, he assumes the label as sufficient in describing the condition or model. In other words, in the same way a developer obfuscates code to hide operations, Eric uses labels to obfuscate models.

[@albertlittle9263]

It's funny how certain people think they have a monopoly on solutions and the proper way to think

[@chayankhoidream]

@@albertlittle9263 thank you for the comment.

[@m-bronte]

and now who is using their own self referential logic to explain the very thing they did not like about Eric! laughable! But if I defend Eric things might escalate, I love looking at fools comments like yours too.

[@chayankhoidream]

@@m-bronte

[@CleanPowerAuto]

Nothing Tom is talking about can be achieved if you don’t have humility, and Terrance has zero of it. He only wants to be a teacher, not a student.

[@will.davlin]

Wool socks to bed = most rem sleep possible 🟪🟤

[@Alix88mnm]

This is not accurate. Where’s your data to support this? I couldn’t possibly sleep with ankle socks on

[@jasonolinger7585]

Having Eric and Terence together was such a smart move from Joe.

[@someoneelse1979]

I'm so glad that at least one other person is thinking of this podcast in the context of an important cultural moment, because that's what it feels like for me. Or maybe I feel it ought to be an important cultural moment, but in reality it'll pass and nothing will change. It'd only take a handful of influential people in the physics community to learn the lesson that Eric teaches in this podcast to drag us out from the mud. This how you Engage with a mind different to your own. This how you Encourage without patronising. This is how you utilize different perspective, and strip mine it for all that's useful.

[@rikkiit452]

Fantastic listen cheers

[@loricoil1732]

James Lindsay has proven that "per review" is corrupt already.

[@thelonewrangler1008]

We are all very capable of falling into a dunning-kruger type scenario but I think the difference between it being temporary vs permanent is the level of ego. Theres people who stand behind what they know while also having a curiosity to challenge it with alternate views of substance, but then you have people who know what they know and wont budge an inch on that knowledge because its not written in a book or wasnt said by a particular scholar

[@ExecutiveZombie]

Weinstein is so patient and tough! 👊🏽🙏🏽🎬

[@AceThaWinner]

Patience? He didn't let the man speak or show his creations. He was way too arrogant.

[@joshuam4993]

@@AceThaWinner no he challenged him to explain but word salads that entice people like yourself who perhaps don't have experience with these subjects.

[@AceThaWinner]

@joshuam4993 lol, so he doesn't deserve to be heard? Ridiculous

[@ExecutiveZombie]

@@AceThaWinner it appeared that way to you… I’m not in that Scientific Arena, but he was training Howard on how to deal with his people, Weinstein’s been in a fight with his own scientific community of people… He was running Howard through a simulation, so he can be taken more seriously. Geek Bootcamp!

[@consistentche3979]

What??? So condescending and disrespectful. He didn't let the man show his stuff or even talk. Full of ego.

[@rickmoor1615]

If Tom Bilyeu doesn't know that one times one, does not equals one...., all hope is lost.

[@pristineparr7509]

Eric proved nothing and anyone really listening saw that. He tried to gaslight us when Terrance admitted out the gate his knowledge initially came from dreams as a child. The man has 97 patents. You can not patent an idea or a concept. It must be a viable product or process or tangible thing. His first patent has made over 30 companies a trillion dollars. He has more than proven that his stuff is legit. Eric is a hater and I hope Terrance’s wife and his circle help he see it if he doesn’t. We need to help bring Terrance’s patents to market especially since he has found a way to create pollution free energy. That’s what’s at stake. He is putting his life on the line and Eric Weinstein is worried about his friend’s hurt feelings. Grow up! And if you saw that and thought he debunked Terrance pay attention to how many times he interrupted the man before he could express a complete thought. Katt said this is the year of reckoning and the traditional science community just got snatched and drug out for the world to see. We still don’t know how to be on the right side of history if a person who is self taught comes through with Terrance’s resume and we call him crazy. The same has been said for every revolutionary thinker in History ❤

[@AminTheMystic]

Yea. Anyone can register bullshit patents. Doesn't mean a thing. They are all BS. How come 30 companies earned trillions whilst he got nothing? The whole point of patents is for patener to protect their rights. He never filed such patent. And all patents he has are all BS.

[@AminTheMystic]

There is always someone like you about to believe utter BS.

[@pristineparr7509]

@@AminTheMystic He pulled up the patent on the last podcast guess you have some sort of mental issue preventing you from seeing the truth. He admitted he abandoned it after spending over 200k. And you can’t bullshit with the patent office😂😂😂if you knew anything you would know that😂😂😂

[@AminTheMystic]

@@pristineparr7509 His so called first patent was never filed. His subsequent are either BS or pending. Patent office doesn’t verify whether your tech works or is useful. Nothing in this comment contradicts what I said. Like Terrence you are full of nonsense. You have no idea what you are saying.

[@Angeltara02]

"covid ripped the mask off..." Pun intended? Lol