Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying on Evolution, Innovation, and Western Civilization

Evolutionary biologists Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying dive into the complexities of human evolution, the downside of rapid technological advancement, and the interplay between cultural software and biological hardware. Bret and Heather discuss the obstacles that stand in the way of ‘good governance,’ how institutions positively and negatively affect the relationship between innovation and human flourishing, and the importance of understanding our evolutionary past to navigate our future. Their insights shed light on how scientific thinking can be applied to major philosophical questions and the challenges facing our society and species in the 21st century. Stay tuned for part two of my conversation with Bret and Heather in the coming weeks!
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Outline:
[0:00] Western civilization is a fragile experiment
[5:56] Enlightened governance and emergent order
[13:00] Conspiracy, collusion, and rent-seeking
[23:23] Who is the “we” and who is the “they”?
[29:32] Liberation, innovation, and investment
[38:59] Reevaluating good government after COVID
[47:11] Competition, cooperation, and academic monopolies
[56:28] “The Selfish Gene” and evolutionary fitness
[1:08:54] Nature, nurture, and culture
[1:26:31] Hyper-novelty poisons the cultural well
Dad Saves America is a channel dedicated to celebrating heroic fatherhood while teaching the next generation of fathers strategies they can utilize in parenting their children. We believe strong children come from a strong family. We’ve had many experts in the studio, including Jonathan Haidt, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Troy Kotsur, John Mackey, Ben Askren, and Adam Carolla.
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[@DadSavesAmerica]

Hi friends! This is the first part of a long two-part interview that covered a LOT of ground together with Bret and Heather. It's also the first of our new remote setup. As always, we strive to make everything we do beautiful and I'm excited that these remote interviews will make for really interesting contributions to our documentaries and video essays. I hope you enjoy the conversation and look forward to hearing more from you all below!

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Good idea... so... a video on the basic, age-old pursuit known as "philosophy". I might struggle to capture the whole of philosophy as a concept in one video, but I like the challege!

[@jaredherring958]

@@docwhammo Just took nine minutes to watch your entire catalog of videos...... Punching up a bit huh?

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Your video viewing speed is impressive. Maybe I'm a little dull today, but I don't know what you mean by "punching up".

[@jaredherring958]

@@DadSavesAmerica I was replying to @doccwhammo's comment which I took to be pejorative (perhaps I'm dull and took it the wrong way, if so I sincerely apologize) and was trying to say that I didn't feel he had contributed enough to any conversation at least on you tube to criticize anyone who has clearly put such an enormous amount of effort into platforming conversations and ideas that are typically not available to participate in as an audience in such an honest and open format. In other words I was trying to defend you (not that you needed it). Lol. But I appreciate conversations like these and and detest when people try to devalue or dismiss someone with criticism that is neither substantive or relevant in any way. It was his videos I was referring to watching in nine minutes.

[@jaredherring958]

Thank you for clearing that up.@@docwhammo

[@jdwalz]

Brett and Heather speak in a way that is intellectual, deep, thoughtful, and I understand every word because I believe they have not only thought out the concept but the way to communicate it so that the ideas become accessible, even if the listener doesn't agree, they will know why they have a specific opinion one way or the other. This is a talent of communication most people either don't have, or don't have the integrity to use it.

[@Bitterrootbackroads]

Agreed, and yet when I try to explain the same to those near & dear, they check wikipedia or some fact checker site they love, and decide the Weinsteins are an internet cult. They will not listen to anything I suggest and tell me to carry on with the crazies.

[@neomacchio4692]

💯 well said

[@neomacchio4692]

I’ll add that I’ve come to my own conclusions through reading books, life experiences, and long form podcasts. I recently posted something about the economy online and got attacked by a bunch of “liberals.” Why? Because a “Fox News” logo was on the image in my post. I know some of the “liberals” personally. They’ve read zero books on finance, personal development, economics, sociology, and their lives are a wreck. These “liberals” listen to corporate media and devour that garbage. It’s not “news.” It’s state sponsored propaganda. Again, they’ve read nothing, they hate Trump, they hate Joe Rogan, they hate Elon Musk,, they vote in progressive’s with horrible progressive policies. They’re literally BRAINWASHED by the state sponsored propaganda and they REFUSE to read, or listen to anything else because the STATE SPONSORED PROPAGANDA character assassinates and vilifies ANYONE who goes against the narrative, whether true or false. The new “liberals” are not tolerant. They’re not kind. And they’re certainly NOT LIBERAL.

[@Bluegrl77]

YES!!! Perfectly said, thank you!!! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@neomacchio4692]

@@Debra-en4krwhich of the ‘many’ subjects?

[@kriswalter560]

Thanks to all 3 of you for being secure and adult enough to let each other finish your thoughts and explanations without interrupting.

[@cyan1616]

One aspect of the bubble wrapped kids phenomenon ties into corporate capture of Western culture... kids now grow up being told that they don't even have to work hard for anything, they just have to make the right "investments" and free money will come rolling in as dividends thereby only reinforcing and prolonging their infancy. I noticed this when I was modeling and exposed to many very wealthy people. One thing that stood out was the fact that these men were like spoiled 2 year olds who have never been told no in their lives, and that's probably true to an extent. And when working with/for wealthy people I was given instructions beforehand and coached on how to respond to them when questioned or requested to do something. I was told "never use the word no", because they would get furious and have a little internal meltdown. I did say no, a lot. Had one famous wealthy guy actually have his driver park his limousine outside a venue I was working and wait for me to come out because he just couldn't comprehend how I could say no to him. That job really opened me eyes to their true natures and it scares me.

[@jercasgav]

The way the system is set up, it is technically more profitable to live off of investments than to work (passive income). Labor/work is taxed at a higher rate than capital gains for starters, and the hours one can work each day are limited. Other investments like rental homes are full of deductions and different perks. Read books like Robert Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad, Poor Dad". Hard work should yield more profit than it does, but the rules (made by the elites), screw the average person, and the average person is too dumb and indoctrinated to see this for what it is. People still have zero clue that the middle class wasn't taxed on their income in any meaningful way until WW2 to fund the war effort...then it never went away and kept rising in amount. 100yrs ago Americans paid MUCH less in taxes, and society functioned just fine. We are taxed to death, and the way out of the taxes is being a parasite in the lower or rich classes, playing by sussy rules put in place that never should have been. BTW being good at investing is not being a child. Being a child is having others do everything for you, including the work of investing.

[@dawnemile7499]

You don't even have to interact with very wealthy people to see how dangerous they can be. Any zany idea they have can be forced on others. That's why I have thought that there should be limits on how much money an individual can have at any one tme and that insane people should not be allowed to have lots of money. Governments would have to enforce these restrictions but then they would be called totalitarian.

[@dawnemile7499]

Keeping on referring to evolution makes me doubt Brett's critical thinking skills.

[@skipjacks85]

@@dawnemile7499um yes, that’s the very definition of totalitarianism and your ideas make YOU sound like the zany, dangerous and insane one...

[@ShamanMcLamie]

​@jercasgav Reminds me of how the Roman senate gained a bunch of emergency powers in the aftermath of the Punic Wars(basically their World Wars). They never relinquished those powers and they were used to fuel an ever growing system of corruption. When men came along trying to institute meaningful reforms they were threatened, ostracized, attacked legally and physically. The most famous case being the assassination of the Gracchi brothers. Then Rome descended into a series of Civil Wars such as the Social War which could have been stopped if Rome had simply expanded citizenship to the allies like Gaius Gracchi had proposed instead the issue got him killed. The Marius-Sulla Civil War which left Sulla Dictator for life. The Caesarian Civil Wars which led to Caesar becoming Dictator for life and then the War of Actium which lead to Augustus becoming Emperor and truly ending the Roman Republic.

[@karenkline7221]

Remember that we also need to correct the curriculum for doctors to include much more nutrition, and how certain symptoms are simply caused by a toxin or a nutritional deficiency. Rockefeller changed the curriculum so people would buy his pharmaceuticals For some reason, nobody has corrected that for over a hundred years.

[@loishines240]

Real nutrition, not Pharma-funded ADA "nutrition".

[@denisevarner7308]

Rent seekers do not want to share any information at all. The competitive mind set operates on a deficit that there is never enough so I have take what I can to prevent anyone else doing the same.

[@jercasgav]

@@denisevarner7308 Exactly, too much profit to be made in hoarding info and by making chronically sick people interfacing with the system. The issue is the people making these choices are not looking out for our best interest, they seek their own best interest. People tend to forget that not everyone is moral or has the same interests driving them.

[@jaredherring958]

The schools, the labs, the grants, the courses, the journals, the governing agencies, the sales reps, the accreditations, the entire field is directly funded by the very people that make sure that is not part of the conversation.

[@HerWanderlust]

To reform broken medicine will take much more than changing the curriculum. The entire enterprise was built on denying our power to diagnose and heal ourselves, negating the ancestral wisdom, negating women’s wisdom, negating the power of our bodies to heal etc etc etc.

[@newfreethink]

Bret and Heather are national and global treasures to share their clear insights on the current conundrum. We need governamce at the global and local levels like they say that have the right jurisdictions. We need the will of the people at each level without control at the wrong level.

[@nybergjm]

Love Brett and Heather. Two of the deepest thinkers in our era, while still maintaining a healthy level of humility and genuine care for the well-fare of other human beings. Without them, I'm not sure if I ever would have learned about the problem of complex systems or the role that an evolutionary lens can (and should) play in everyday decision-making. We need to protect these two at all costs. Also, the podcast host is clearly a sophisticated thinker himself, given the nuanced questions he posed and the manner in which he was able to introduce certain topics of discussion. Well done.

[@TheShootist]

one t in Bret

[@azurenojito2251]

Bret and Heather are the best teachers we could ever have. Thank God for them. :)

[@TheShootist]

one t in Bret

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤

[@ericstromquist9458]

What a great, intelligent, open discussion between views grounded in different intellectual backgrounds, which ends up in a well-founded convergence.

[@user-us2jr5ym7l]

The system isn't corrupt, corruption is the system.

[@SCplayer1000]

That's simply because humans are corrupt.

[@karenkline7221]

I agree that "the credential is not a good proxy for relevant experience".

[@user-3282]

It's a certificate of willingness to conform. The student is then held ransom by student debt to be repaid and to throw any morals or values they might have out the window.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

The reality is that most young people are broken and confused before they begin to get their credentials. It takes a long time to get one's head on straight - meaning discovering Agency and Owning ones own Mind. 😂

[@user-3282]

@bellakrinkle9381 True. Once they realise what agency is, its often too late because they've made huge life decisions and got endentured responsibilities they can't get out of without destroying their life, marriage, home, career etc.

[@Coyotelover100]

Bret and Heather: So many times I have thanked you and again I wish to express just how much I appreciate your ability to address and articulate so much that is on the minds of so many. Thank you thankyou for caring about humanity as you do and that you sacrifice so much of yourself to move us all forward. Thank you.

[@dawnemile7499]

I graduated in the last fifty years and I disliked being forced into teams when I believed that good manners was just as important. Good manners as a necessary ingredient to good teams was ignored.

[@HerWanderlust]

Wonderful point!

[@user-sq9sw7no2l]

I was so looking forward to Bret and Heather discussing the current state of our world and how we got here. They are both keenly aware that time is of the essence. Instead they got derailed. Is there a “we” and “them”? Good grief. When governments and media act in lockstep globally to curb the populace there is a “we” and “them”. There are protests occurring all over the world. David and Goliath would have been relevant about now.

[@skipjacks85]

100% agree. Well said. Was not a big fan of the “we/them” semantics that should have been self evident to John. I mean it’s so obvious at this point. Oligarchical Technocratic Globalism vs Self-determined Sovereign Americanism (Western Liberalism is prob more appropriate but some see the word “Liberal” and get triggered lol)

[@ianl5882]

Yeah I know what you mean. This podcast just didn’t really get there. I’m not sure that the host has the understanding of and capacity to explain and investigate the topics at hand. Seems like a well-being guy but I found that when he was talking I was always confused about what he was really trying to say.

[@vanessa1569]

Heathers point about how our eyes in comparison to cephalopod's, aren’t as well evolved was a major lightbulb moment for me. They always come when you least expect them right? Great discussion, thankyou. Looking forward to part 2👌

[@grannyannie2948]

Towards the end of the conversation, where it was said that hyper novelty meant your childhood culture could be different to your adult one, I was struck that this has happened before historically. I thought of Samuel Pepys. As a child he lived under the reign of Charles 1, who was executed when Samuel was about ten. Then came the Puritan Oliver Cromwell. Next came Charles 2, the opposite of Puritanism. During this time Samuel worked for Prince James. Then James became king, and was banished when he turned RC. Samuel nearly got charged with treason. He wrote a 10,000 page defence. He survived at least one or two other reigns.

[@catejames6453]

I love this couple. They’re good Americans ❤

[@Bluegrl77]

Love Brett… but… when Heather and Brett are interviewed together, it’s ALWAYS amazing!! Probably why, I love binge listening to their DarkHorse podcast. These two, never disappoint and I can’t wait to watch the 2nd part! Great job Dad Saves America, you hit the ball outa the park, with your new remote setup, it went beautifully!! 🏆⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 👏🏼

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thanks! It took us time to get a setup that we felt lived up to our standards for beauty. But the team did a great job. Much more to come in this format!!!

[@justineking5643]

The problem is that rational optimism does not account for malevolent forces that don't value the same things as mosr peole, In fact they don't value humanity. .At the same time these same forces are attempting to tightly controll all information. Mate, grand conspiracies by elites have existed throughout human history. You are just confusing your biases (which aren't really yours) with reason. Right now a handful of entities and people control whole industries all around the globe. Examples: legacy media; big tech; global health initiatives;. All of which allow control to be concentrated further. Such control does not happen by hard work alone.

[@skylinefever]

I love the Moldbug Cathedral explanation.

[@dwightwest2885]

I've watched everything Bret and Heather have done. I feel so lucky to have found them in 2017. Spread Truth and Love!

[@neomacchio4692]

Phenomenal! Been a weekly listener of the DHP since they launched in 2020. (Correct?). And found DSA about a year ago! Love DSA too! I would LOVE to hear the three of you discuss parenting further. That was my favorite part, as a single dad. I am regularly introducing my 10 yr old daughter to problem solving. I see other parents that just do EVERYTHING for their kids and don’t ever tell or ask the kid to do anything. That’s insane to me/. I want my child to be able to first: identify a problem, then hypothesize how to solve it, and then troubleshoot and eventually solve it herself. It starts with things that seem stupid or inconsequential, like changing a roll of toilet paper. Seriously, some kids can’t do that… actually I know GROWN ADULTS who can’t change a roll of toilet paper or paper towels. Not joking. By teaching these basic concepts, I feel I’m setting my child up to be way ahead of the pack. There is ALWAYS a way to come to a solution. It’s a matter of believing that, and then taking a ready, fire, aim approach.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

You are a great Dad. Many kids never feel approval and love from parents. Unless the kid feels good about herself as a child, all adult relationships will be difficult. Please remember this reality. Tender empathy is vital. Keep up the good plan. ❤

[@wendellbabin6457]

There are no solutions. Only trade offs.--Dr. Thomas Sowell.

[@stevenborham1584]

Heather and Bret create doctoral theses with every answer, simply amazing coherence of thought that I could only ever aspire to. So hopeful knowing that people like this aren't in the "They" category as discussed here.

[@dogstarsirius5280]

My second time watching this interview because its depth is Marianna Trench deep, and it needs to be brought to daylight! Thank you to all who participated!

[@tonybarker1335]

Bret and Heather are challenger deep❤😂

[@markokrasa3584]

I love how much Bret gets to speak when heather and him are directly in front of who’s listening and speak back to them.

[@neomacchio4692]

😂

[@lisablanchard8915]

just brilliant....you are the people that should be running the country...THE WORLD...pay close attention to what is being said...this is the time

[@Metameinitiatedbycontact]

What Heather said about us Measuring things that aren't static in regards to evolution really resonated with me

[@dorijoe]

I believe in enlightened governence. Brett for president! May peace prevail on Earth.

[@vplan]

Humangous fan of Bret and Heather. They were instrumental in keeping my sanity during Cov.

[@emilymiller1792]

I do not have too much issue with a "sage on the stage", so long as there is interaction and inquiry with students. I want my teachers to know more than me and to have thought deeply how knowledge and ideas interact, all the better if the teacher is broadly educated and can, at least to some extent, connect across domains and invites students to learn broadly, too. Renaissance men can inspire others to become Renaissance men, too.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

I agree to a point. The problem is that actual knowledge transmission is low and poorly understood. I encourage you to check out my convo with Mike Gibson, who believes we're in a dark ages of education and brings the reciepts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqDTg5mLm56Xbbssi=pCJVROs12aXq7PK0

[@emilymiller1792]

@DadSavesAmerica "actual knowledge transmission is low and poorly understood" I think we have a different understanding of what could be going on with a "sage on the stage" class lecture/discussion. I was extraordinarily lucky, I guess. When I think of my "sage on a stage" teachers, I think of inquiry, wonder, meaning making. My knowledge was extended, reinforced, and deepened overall. Mr. Keating from Dead Poets Society. Jordan Peterson. Perhaps most of my education came before the dark age of education, as you describe it. I was educated pre-NCLB--before standardized tests became the end-all, be-all. My teachers aimed for us to not just know but also to wrestle with and apply knowledge and ideas. Thank you for the recommendation. I will check it out.

[@cmacrii]

Very good interview!!

[@mattwa33186]

25 or so years ago, neo-liberal/neo-conservative policies were introduced that prioritize rent seeking above all else. Innovation has been stifled by a new prime directive, "maximize shareholder value". The basic principle that under capitalism wealth is a byproduct of creating value for others has been lost, and creating wealth by creating value only for yourself (which is rent seeking by every definition, and in this case "yourself" is the shareholders) has been glorified. That, along with ending prohibitions against price speculation in our securities markets (which brought us hedge funds and high frequency trading), has led us here. Stock prices are based solely on what the next guy will pay, not the actual value created by the corporation. 25 years ago, 75% of all corporate projects failed. Now it's somewhere below 20%, because the capitalist entities that were supposed to drive innovation rarely do anything unless they are sure it will succeed. It feels like innovation because things are changing fast, but it really isn't because we've traded intellectual speculation and experimentation for price speculation.

[@skylinefever]

I often call it "Line go up next fiscal quarter thinking." What's the long term cost? Whatever it is, the MBA will have his golden parachute to fly away.

[@acxezknightnite1377]

I’m a middle-aged, heterosexual woman, and I swear Heather could earn a fortune with her own premium rate phone line. Her voice is amazing. Oh, and I could listen to evolutionary biology all freakin day too.

[@bgladish]

What Bret and Heather do not understand is that government, far from being an institution that might control rent-seeking, is the very definition of rent seeking.

[@TheShootist]

Actually Jingles, that they understand quite well given they speak about rent seeking pols find crony Capitalists.

[@dwrtz]

love @DadSavesAmerica's question at 14:00. the simple answer is incentives! This was more or less Bret's answer, though he didn't use the key word (incentives)

[@cherylschalk9106]

Bret’s observation about subsidiarity in Catholicism is a philosophy that is rooted in justice. Let’s promote that and stop supporting central banks, and the UN.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Subsidiary and free will/choice = Catholic social thought = classical liberal enlightenment governance. Wisdom rhymes.

[@liewcheng3111]

@@DadSavesAmericaafter all been said, the root causes are greed.

[@ryanogden5635]

What a phenomenal host for this podcast. New subscriber here, thank you for your good work.

[@cynthianorman44]

Excellently well stated by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Thank you.

[@KathyDuncan9]

Love Bret and Heather!!!!

[@JR-Army-Veteran-Conservative]

Great conversation yet there is a simple explanation with a more complex solution here. Parents have either intentionally or accidentally handed their children's social growth skills to X, Facebook, Tiktok, etc. Friends have a significant impact on an individual's social outcomes and views of society. Fake friends and strategically placed advertisements (propaganda) can have even more impact. Parents need to stop allowing this to happen. We were able to keep our children off social media and they are happy. My wife and I abandoned it a few years ago. We are all very happy and loving the outcomes. Host a sleep-over and take the phones away! These kids have tons of fun without them and create amazing memories. Facts beat fiction.

[@janedonald1]

Parenting more important now than it ever was..... parenting has to be a priority

[@Spoeism]

Bret & Heather are both brilliant.

[@menzicosce]

Heather has THE most soothing voice ever. If the comet is ever on its way and there is no hope Heather should be the one to deliver the news.

[@paigemccormick6519]

Speaking of plumbers: Too many listeners have had too many problems with plumbers, with electricians, with many of the physical trades to blithely trust those individuals. I think this is due to shifts in the dominant value of courtesy, social contracts, and of a job well done. Departments of Labor and Industry can neither 100% regulate nor ignore as the problems of cost and competence increase.

[@HerWanderlust]

Yes, people do not stand behind their word and their work anymore, it used to be the rule now it’s the exception

[@SuperMayhem81]

Dude. I listen to a lot of podcasts. First time listening to yours - and I have NEVER heard so many ads! You might get more subscribers if you tone it down. Seriously.

[@ArtU4All]

I am with you on the ads. But people have to eat. I decided to pay for KZbin Premium. The $12 about 5 years ago (more now) has been so worth it for not being interrupted and saved me so much time on all the channels I follow. Everything everywhere all the time cannot be free. One must choose where to start paying🌿🙏✨

[@SuperMayhem81]

I totally hear you. And I’m happy to listen to ads - but most other podcasts have way way way less of them. I’m sure there’s a setting to adjust how many are played. And this guy has it cranked up to the max. I’m all for ads, but this guy just seems greedy. Not a good look. Hence why I won’t be watching more episodes nor subscribing. Kind of a shame.

[@wm3138]

Eisenhower warned us 60 years ago.

[@wendellbabin6457]

Problem was he wasn't aware of anything OTHER than the MIC. We are dealing with "complexes" in EVERY domain now. Especially the Political Industrial Complex and the Manufacturing Public Opinion Complex. (aka Propaganda)

[@Lee-ol8gj]

Eisenhower was instrumental in the difficult decisions leading to the success of D Day. His warning of the military industrial complex was less significant.​@wendellbabin6457

[@rudysmith9377]

Two of my favorite people to listen too.

[@dfinma]

This is my first time hearing you and I can't quite figure out where you stand on various topics. I find B&H endlessly fascinating. They have altered and shaped my world view, and are largely responsible for me having a world view at all. I hope you found it a positive experience.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thank you!! I’d love to hear about how they’ve shaped it. Where I stand somewhat depends on the issue. But overall, I stand for the sanctity of the family, individual dignity, the rejection of victimhood, the embrace of human potential, and maximization of individual freedom in peaceful pursuit of that potential. The closest functional label would be classical liberal. But all the labels suck. Oh, and I’m radically against communism and its variants and flavors because it’s murderous slave master philosophy that’s broken in theory and hell in practice.

[@dfinma]

@@DadSavesAmerica Simply stated -- viewing things through an evolutionary lens, the significance of the human software (cultural) layer along with shocking things like genocide and rape are rational from a biological perspective (but societies try to make these behaviors expensive). Layer modernity on top of all this and it's no wonder things are how they are. I don't have a political label but if I had to make up it would be reluctant anarchist.

[@susanthursdays5008]

There is very little I share with Brett or Heather, yet, I will watch their content. I would like to see more of, just Heather, in a debate (I'd settle for a good conversation or interview). I have much respect for both Brett & Heather, despite our differences, I am thankful fo them, as I know they are sincere, dedicated, and very accomplish, both professionally and, as partners dedicated to raising their children. I just can not connect with Brett, and not for lack or trying, via listening to close to 100hrs of: podcasts, academic panels, interviews, discussions, etc. Heather is so easy on the ears, making it a pleasure to listen to her, as much as one can, when one just does not understand much of what she is speaking of, and disagrees with mostI do understand. This was an excellent interview. ❤️🕊☝️⚖️✍️⚔️🛡☀️🔥🌟💫🙏🙏

[@2Phast4Rocket]

The conversation that starts just after the 1hour mark is very interesting (1:04:00) They discussed why the human evolution is important to more than the gene, and somehow the human genetic allows the human to adapt much more than any other species on Earth. And the follow up conversation of the importance of religion has played in the human evolution in order to solve problems, and the traits are so unique to our human species, and are often dismissed by the atheist scientific community.

[@skylinefever]

I often think of "God genes" and how many people are able to actually get religion. How many can actually do it? How many at best can go through the motions?

[@missh1774]

Love this! Woke up from my nap and this was playing in the background. First time in this channel. ...wtf (47:30) where have you been?! That's a sober amplification of the people's desire. Exemplary evocation of Mahmut Ghandi without the vanity or plea to the quagmire of a superhuman higher power. It is just as it should be and I think they would be very proud of us when looking down on this particular evolutionary lens. 1:03:00 I have never felt more native to this Earth until now.

[@elleyc8614]

Just a thought. When Heather says that Nature is not built for perfection stating the octopus eye against the human eye as an example, perhaps this is inconsistent with the way Nature and evolution works. Perhaps if we consider the platform in which She works which is a constantly changing reality and if we apply to Nature an awareness and purpose that requires that life is sustained (as I believe it has done for the past 95 million years) rather than a random series of events, then She would not choose any one function to be ‘perfectly formed’. Rather she would be creating diversity of form so to anticipate the changes and the variations that can adapt to a new reality. Having developed just one ‘perfect’ eye would be a foolish undertaking given the new circumstances that may have to be met. In diversity is the means to continuing survival?

[@wendellbabin6457]

Cephalopods and humans do not occupy the same niche either. One is cold blooded, one isn't. Totally different reproductive strategies and on and on.

[@BertWald-wp9pz]

Superb discussion.

[@allisonleighandrews8495]

Really wonder how many lives these two have saved in the past 4 years by just existing. Evergreen and co., the internet is forever grateful for your very foolish sacrifice.

[@MsKariSmith]

I was fascinated with this great talk

[@HerWanderlust]

Great interview! Thanks for all you’re doing

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thanks for watching!

[@Fantasyremix]

Really sweet-looking remote setup. Looks as good as any I've ever seen.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thanks!! Two-man crew. Giant 5’ soft box. Sony fx6.

[@paigemccormick6519]

@@DadSavesAmericaDad, yes a beautiful-looking podcast. It's my first look (for the guests), although this stranger was curious about a Dad who saves America.

[@heathe3529]

Good interview, my only complaint is the ads every 45 seconds 👀

[@NineInchTyrone]

DEvolution explains our society

[@glennmitchell9107]

I imagine gated communities and some isolated rural communities still let their eight year olds roam free. My suburban community has transients, drug addicts, the severely mentally ill, and coyotes roaming free, not by accident but by policy.

[@seahorse2]

Good point. I ran free as a child in a smaller city. My grandchildren run free, but all of my children chose a smaller community that allows children to run free. No drugs, crime, unnatural addicts, (where today in Canada, certain areas have Trudeaus government sponsored hard drugs), and the healthy community supports band, snowboarding, gardens, etc. Urban living was never thoughtfully planned for safety, children, green spaces.

[@seahorse2]

I ran free as a child. All my children chose a rural environment where children can run free, and build a healthy community. Urban planning did not take family needs into design.

[@HerWanderlust]

My partner ran free as a child in West Hollywood in the 90s…he was from the former ussr…while I was not allowed freedom at all while living in a much safer place

[@Lee-ol8gj]

The war games at Camp Wampanoag of Buzzards Bay, MA, was a great example of young boys being given the opportunity to experience dangerous operations to achieve a goal. Nothing like that exists today.

[@glennmitchell9107]

The ancient Romans had a sort of relevant experience requirement for their public officials in the Cursus Honorum, which was a sequence of public offices that candidates had to perform successfully before moving on to the next. A modern Cursus Honorum may not be required under the Constitution, but nothing prevents our political parties from adopting such.

[@daniw5186]

Ok!!!! Eric July And now Bret and Heather!!! (Obviously more I didn’t list) DAD you are you doing great things to help save America in my opinion

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thank you!!!

[@daniw5186]

@@DadSavesAmerica you’re welcome And thank you 😊 (No more thanking 😂😂😂😂)

[@Metameinitiatedbycontact]

I would love to know what Bret thinks about those conversations between Bohm and Kriahnamurti

[@jamestheelder87]

I never walk away from a Weinstein discussion wthout receiving at least some morsel of wisdom. I can't understand why young people today don't avail themselves to the abundance of knowledge that is easily accessed on the internet. Perhaps the world would be in better shape. My own life could have bern very different had I such knowledge at my fingertips.The decisions I made in my youth would have been much better informed. Thank you for this podcast.i hope it inspires some to begin changing their lives in more positive directions.

[@lindsaytwort8655]

Every thing you say is correct. I have been a school teacher over many years and I have watched this generation of children Wrapped in cotton wool. Parents frightened to allow their children out of the house! Plus from toddlers they have been taught to amuse them selves on an iPad for hours on end. So now they live on TicTock. And sound bites. They can’t concentrate on a whole book. Way too much interference from parents on how their little darlings should be taught. Instead of leaving it to the Professionals! I just do not know, when this lot of Me. Me. Me generation become parents themselves. How on Earth it is going to go down, and turn out a decent ,intelligent, citizens.

[@chuckjones9159]

Here is what I consider things that need to be done. How is the hard part although some of these items are solutions as well. 1. Strip all power from international bodies. Agreements have been and are being made which may have or had a noble goal which are now detrimental. 2. While the temptation is to break up these large conglomerates it will not be possible in all cases without causing major economic damage. What can be done is to prohibit them from enacting policies aimed at social conditioning or ones that attempt to infringe on our innate rights. This instantly eliminates problematic departments. The same would go for all businesses and agencies. 3. Pull our military out of other nations. This includes financial support. Use them to guard our borders. I have no problem with appropriate military action but it needs to be decided by more than a handful of people and we need discrimination when considering places where lack of diplomacy and actions of our intelligence agencies have inflamed people to conflict. In peacetime the military should take the lead role in creation and support of our infrastructure. I have no problem with giving support to an ally but that support needs to be limited to defensive actions only. Proxy wars would be outlawed of course. Defense would mean we are willing as a nation to place ourselves in that area. if we do so and our people are harmed we will then switch to offensive mode. We have to make this process immune to propaganda somehow though and also have clear minded individuals in military leadership. We do not want warmongers or those with interest in the MIC. If a nation we are helping oversteps moral bounds we would be there to restrain further transgressions and if necessary take control. We could also provide security for international trade but not for free. 4. Intel agencies should be barred from interfering in the political processes of any nation. They should focus on gathering & analyzing intelligence as well as protecting us from the same. We need a return to honest diplomacy and this is not possible with rogue agencies afoot. 5. No charity, trust, corporation or NGO should be allowed to be involved in the political process or social engineering. All political donations should be derived from named individuals. National voter rolls should be established along with voter I.D. and be open to the public. Only citizens of 5 years above 18 years of age with no felony convictions can vote. Electronic voting machines would not matter at this point. Once we can see the vote and verify it the chance of deception is eliminated. 6. Law enforcement should no longer be allowed to engage in asset forfeiture. All such property should go to a public treasury and be distributed to those in need in event of emergency- or hell, even do a lottery with no entry fee. The county Sheriff and his department should be the highest law in the land with no others able to operate in his county without consent. He should also be free from answering, being pressured or directed by any political figure in his county. In other words he is not beholden to mayors and attorneys. In this way he would be free to investigate and take action against anyone. He is elected by the people of the county and can be replaced by a 25 percent consensus. 7. The salary and benefits of all elected and appointed officials should be greatly reduced. I would actually prefer that retirement age be lowered to 50 and officials be chosen from the retired population but thats a want not a need. Yet. Multimillionaires should not receive SS benefits. If desired their base amount paid in could be returned to them. Those on welfare should be used for county jobs unless disabled, pregnant or stay at home parent. The jobs should also provide a supplement salary of at least minimum wage. 8. Education system needs reformed. It should include math, reading, writing, and the sciences. In addition philosophical/spiritual courses should be available. Not religious, spiritual, like things about meditation, attention, awareness and perception. This would also educate about handling emotion and recognizing manipulation. Ideally we should also include martial skills as well as basic survival including home economics skills.

[@skylinefever]

I love these goals. It would need to break what I call "Oligarchy of the donor class."

[@10.6.12.]

Actually, the Christian experiment is what brought different people together. However, as per usal, the petri dish version of evolution eexcudes the reality of outside forces.

[@simritnam612]

Everything becomes it's opposite. "Reversal is the Way." -Dao De Ching

[@glennmitchell9107]

What are the goals of biological and cultural evolution? If they aren't the same, then how can they coexist successfully? Can culture evolve successfully if biology keeps undercutting it?

[@franciscosaavedra5848]

Regarding the "classification" of adolescents, I'm not sure. It might mostly be a cultural problem. Since you may start medical school in Germany, Mexico, and other nations at age 16. I was a fully licensed physician by the time I was 23 and making life-and-death decisions.

[@iandevelin8183]

It's so disheartening that most Americans won't watch this or even try to. We the people have failed. We should be ashamed. We have let down, not only ourselves and our ancestors, but our future children. We suck 😢

[@GroovismOrg]

Being grateful for being able to globally connect should form our societies. No hierarchy & each person needs a peaceful living environment! With the ability to surrender ourselves to The One Groove, each of us, finding our "Flow" and entraining the Earth! Insuring that there is no hatred or violent tendencies, insures the globe Grooves, like clocks on a wall, entraining as One! The material world has served it's purpose; enabling our creativity & communications to enable complete unification!

[@oliverjamito9902]

What is loving with patience?

[@paigemccormick6519]

I guess it's hard to step into info-seeking with B&H. You almost need an existing, mutual basis of communication. Dad does have some accurate references to some B&H concepts.

[@oliverjamito9902]

What is Names? Students keep watch!

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

There's a clear dynamic where because the average person knows how fully they are at the mercy of government, huge corporations, laws, big pharma, big tech etc, and have had those screws tightened progressively as time goes on, especially over the last thirty years now, culture has had to adapt to protect the vulnerable (which is now everyone but the rich and their bought emmissaries). Among those recent adaptations are wokism, mass immigration at unprecedented levels, the decline of marriage, low birthrates, globalism, low quality university degrees, obesity, the junk food explosion, wages you can't live on, high housing costs, the LGBTQI+ movement, catastrophism (climate, meteors, viruses), the dumbing down of culture and total obedience to power and surveillance (mandated vaccinations, CCTV cameras, Facebook, DNA-databases). Add to that the attempted annihilation of alternate powerbases in the world - Russia, China - simply because they represent power that isn't under the control of the previously all-dominant hegemon. The point of all of these is to signal to the powerful that I'm one or more of these things: fat, dumb/uneducated (don't read), childless, unmarried, poor, listen to low-grade music, non or not only heterosexual (or preoccupied with those sexual preferences in others), physically and mentally unhealthy (take pharmaceuticals I don't need), not from the main ethnicity/no longer from the dominant ethnicity, don't value my privacy, irrationally believe the world will end in a few years (don't plan for the future), work for next to nothing, can't even put a roof over my head or afford to rent or eat and will accept any medical procedure if it's pushed on me forcefully enough and regardless of whether or not I'll even be saved from likely harm if I don't accept it. I also don't care how many people from other countries come to live in my country and make housing unaffordable and wages lower. So by sending these signals to the powerful, we are ultimately trying to say - "I'm not a threat to you". "Few people are less of a threat or danger to you, in your highly powerful positions, than me, who has all these ailments that you laugh at". "I'm not even worth destroying, tormenting, jailing, defaming etc". The higher the powerful rise in the world, the lower the masses descend, in order not to find themselves in their sights. If you go back to say the start of the 20th Century, there were a lot of dangerously highly evolved cultures - German, Japanese, UK, Russia - such that strong systems were developed to crush and subjugate them so that they would pose no threat to these new movements. Those who were in the firing line then are the same as those who are in the firing line today - independent power structures or individuals not doing the bidding of those seeking ultimate economic and political power wherever they could get it. And all of those threatening nations were crushed from 1914 - 1991. That left the individual as the next target, in a kind of Orwelian Big Brother sense - they now had to be subjugated and destroyed themselves, so that those in power had no threats to their grand plans. And not wanting to face that certain destruction, people have flocked to all kinds of overt movements to show their harmlessness and low-value target status.

[@dtrfgr]

Way too many jarring ads. Your links off of KZbin are ridiculous. Talk about being captured. Very frustrating being forced onto this platform (that demonetized Brett and Heather) in order to hear this interview. Please cast a wider and simpler social media net. Thanks.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

We are posting on X.con as well so you can watch the full interview there with Rumble coming soon (though its user experience is pretty awful). x.com/dadsavesamerica/status/1768419005839085723?s=46

[@lenr7068]

I heard Brett say "Constitutional Convention" under his breath.

[@TheAsherPress]

It was nice to see Jonah Hill hosting Bret and Heather. Excellent!

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Haha. You found me!

[@rfjohns1]

I think Brett's idea if can we just create good government that can be trusted with greater power and authority that it will not use against the People is unrealistic. That is the primary idea underlying the founding documents.

[@6663000]

Their audio was not great.

[@TheHeinrichSymposium]

Brett and Heather speak at great length around, what some listeners may interpret as being, various reasonings on how best to create better governance, and more responsible business practices etc., but there is a critical, urgent and dynamic focus here, on a very essential seed factor - genes. There are actually minds in powerful and influential positions of authority such the WEF and WHO and their sponsors, who also break human existence down to its basic unit - the biological and psychological cell. They, also visualise human society as being an amalgamation of trillions of individual cells. In their view there is no separation of one individual's collective cells and the collective cells of humanity, or rather the people they wish to modify and control. It may be about financial profits on one level but it is certainly about social control on another. Was, or is mRNA a great notion that was not properly researched and forced by a campaign of manipulation into people's bodies (and brains) for financial gain? Or was it purposeful cellular manipulation for a particular outcome? That is, for the aim of behaviourism through modification of the genome? It is consciousness that is our birthright. If the human brain becomes a toy for these dark powers, then this planet will lose its greatest potential, which is the flowering of pure consciousness, and will eventually be populated by automatons.

[@loniousmonk]

1:07:00 This “overproduction” or “explorer modes” thing may also be applied to child (and maternal) mortality in humans in say the 18th century, where we view it as very grim and terrible. But it seems that much of our genetic fitness today is thanks to our ancestors who struggled to have enough resources to give birth to many children who ultimately died, or to daughters who were never fit enough to survive their first pregnancy.

[@user-3282]

It's very clear that the system is completely broken when the ONLY people who speak openly and honestly are those who have been cancelled or have retired. We are in a truly terrible place.

[@andyshelly3473]

this is the good stuff .

[@wendellbabin6457]

1:11:30 But isn't the selfish gene now out of date somewhat given the later discoveries post Human Genome Project concerning Epigenetics? Selfish epigenes?

[@curiousfella4076]

Not saying you should side with anyone here but as a first intuition, would you side with people who end other people or would you side with people who made a calculation that lying about systematic r*e (add an ap in the middle) is the proper course of action?

[@momoski68]

We are training our youngest and best minds to argue ridiculous points instead of critically thinking

[@dks13827]

IQ. work. honesty. morals. ethics. criminals. genes. Say it !!! Say all of it.

[@paigemccormick6519]

And it's all affected by pre-adult development!

[@aresmars2003]

Great discussion, but minimal talk (until very end, hyper-novelty) of “technical singularity”, the rate of technical change means no stability for young people. So we see the results, strategies that create illusions of control, falling into simple narratives. No wonder young people don’t want to grow up. They need to hold an open picture of the future until things crash and then we must reinvent ourselves.

[@skylinefever]

I think about how all this change has resulted in useless advice. Back in the day, it may have paid off to get a certain degree in school, then work really hard at some company. Now it doesn't work like that, but the same old advice gets repeated.

[@thomasjpuleo8112]

Did Heather say ‘giraves’ or maybe even ‘giravves’? Hmmm. I really like the second one. Approve.

[@michaeldavid6832]

The Selfish Gene wasn't asserting that organisms are selfish or even cells are selfish. It was asserting that genes were self interested -- they desire continuity. Selfish genes give rise to unselfish behaviors. Genes are always self-interested -- there would be no life if they weren't. Just because your genes are selfish doesn't imply that everyone should ideally be a Machiavellian. Most parent's would sacrifice themselves for their children. This unselfish psychology is derived from genes which are selfish. The further genetically removed that people are from other individuals, the less they tend to display selfless behavior for those people. Look deep enough into any behavior and you'll discover a selfish motive behind it motivated by genes. Even our love of other species (dogs) is about individual humans who have co-evovled with an animal which has promoted individual and tribal survival over other tribes. We evolved our love of dogs because they were a massive survival advantage in hunting, threat detection, predator defense, guarding, and so on. Our love for dogs evolved because the genes which caused us to tend toward loving dogs were strengthened by natural selection. Our tribal instincts are selfish genetic programming to collaborate to out-compete humans who didn't have those instincts.

[@tedchapple5991]

I think Dr. Michael Levin, a brilliant developmental biologist, would very much disagree with you regarding the intractability of developing squid eyes for humans.

[@iconiclust]

The people are smart.. yet fools. They want to live in a world with no Truth.. yet think people will agree to draw lines without evil tyrants scheming to control it all. They celebrate getting rid of Truth (God), while complaining about the evil chaos that always brings.

[@abramgaller2037]

The free market is a more enlightened agency of governance, than enlightened governance .

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Yes. Plato’s philosopher kings are brittle and vanishingly rare. Mao is more likely than Marcus Aurelius.

[@themagicbuzz5728]

Heather and Bret are a life raft in a sea of madness….

[@fiddlermargie]

Bret, you're still too much of a utopian. I don't think you can construct a future government that is "wise." You're good at breaking things down and explaining them, and I love that. It's why I have listened to you for so many hours, so please explain, first, how society can agree on a definition of what constitutes wisdom, and then how those future government servants can be identified as being in possession of that quality. Can we use a WQ test?

[@TimCCambridge]

🔔🔔Hi, great convo, thanks! If generational trauma from dysfunctional violent cultures is being immigrated across the world, then what is the appropriate response from the states that allow them in? Denial that so many immigrants are traumatised? That their traumas are not being assessed and dealt with by defining what integration into an open and caring Western value structure means?

[@HerWanderlust]

It’s a great question. In reality, if I live in a country and pay taxes to the gvt, I expect them to protect me from mistakes they’ve made (such as allowing hoardes of violent men into the country). How?…I’m not sure. Deporting those who do not stand on our values (which include women’s rights)…jailing them? Reforming them? Can the g t be trusted with this? Probably not… ideally someone would not try to create the country they fled, within the country they fled to…

[@bethanyhunt2704]

4:33 HUGE, ENORMOUS error, right here! Bret says as the growth runs out, social bonds will dissolve. I assume he means economic growth, but he's conflating an economic system with society/civilisation. People!! The need for "growth" is a feature only of capitalism. CAPITALISM IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO ORGANISE!! Capitalism does not equal freedom, or civilisation, or anything other than an employer/employee organisation of labour, with investment and profits distributing wealth. We have had other economic systems before, and we can have others in the future. Bret would do well to explore steady state economics, or worker co-ops/ownership, or any other system that isn't based on greed.

[@K-NectingDots]

This video on youtube titled (Timothy Alberino discusses the antediluvian world, universal flood myths, the development of ancient civilizations, uniformitarianism vs catastrophism, and the Darwinian historical fallacy.) may be one to check out as well. God bless. (The Darwinian Historical Fallacy | Bennis the Menace Podcast)

[@mondavou9408]

Don't forget Goliath had four brothers. Personally, I don't think David is up to the task this time. I hope I'm wrong.

[@SamKGrove]

It looks to me that ideological affinity is displacing genetic affinity as an organizing principle at the political level.