The Dark Side of the Supplement Industry

[@brettjosh]

Hey everyone! The original draft for this video was over 40+ mins and gave a more rounded view of the industry, however after falling for a few supplement scams myself growing up, I decided to scope the video down as we are seeing the same problems occurring again and again. Ill likely do another video in the future because there are a few positive sides to the industry; there are some companies who are genuinely doing their best, some reliable supplements that have a positive (but small) effect and it has funded a lot of the fitness industry. Not to mention the placebo effect has its place. I personally use; protein powders, creatine, omega 3, a multi vitamin and caffeine regularly with a well formulated pre every now and again, this may help get that last 5% or so when it comes to nutritional success for body composition and is NOT necessary. While there are plenty of good brands out there, for those wandering I usually end up buying MyProtein and optimum nutrition products. I strongly recommend you use the resource; examine.com for researching supplements and then make sure the company uses third party testing. As always thanks for watching. 😄 Free guides: transform.brettjosh.com/josh-brett-links Follow Me for Extra Content: 📸Instagram: joshuwab_ - instagram.com/joshuwab_/ 🐔Twitter: Brettaljeni - twitter.com/Brettaljeni

[@Mike-qc8xd]

i love how well researched your work is thank you

[@quantumtechcrypto7080]

If bugs and bacteria don’t want it that’s proof you shouldn’t either. It’s chemical digested animal parts and then all the good stuff removed so it can sit on a shelf for months. Try storing a raw egg for long. That’s good protein so you can’t.

[@Pete_Finch]

Josh, I don't care how long any of your videos are - I'll watch them all the way through if they're 4 minutes, 40 minutes or 400 minutes. You're one of the best storytellers on KZbin.

[@dustin4747]

I don't mean to parrot Pete Finch, nor can I speak for everyone following your channel, but I can safely bet you have an audience (myself included) that wouldn't mind or would be thrilled for a longer video as your content is top tier. Your audience is here for the insane levels of research, really good editing, and you have a way of narrating that keeps your listeners engaged.

[@IowaRetroGamerDad]

Thanks for the great videos Josh.

[@vulpes122]

Rich Piana was one of the only dudes that actually said that his supplements would not provide any significant gains to anyone that didn't already have their diet/sleep and everything else dialled in. And even then he said it would only give you a tiny boost after all the other stuff was sorted. Great dude, he finally left humanity behind...

[@Zorrowski]

Meanwhile having two giant supplement companies lmao, i mean no hate, his products are good but still, bit of hypocrite imo

[@garyhost354]

@@Zorrowski how dare you speak about a legend like that.

[@FR-mb9lc]

@@Zorrowski you can have a giant supplement company and still tell te truth, Not every supplement is bad

[@tappajaav]

@@Zorrowski That isn't hypocrite at all. You can still gain that tiny boost with the supplements, which his companies were selling.

[@vulpes122]

@@Zorrowski gotta make that dough $$$

[@marsella527]

What's crazy is if you showed me this 10 years ago when I got serious into lifting, I'd call you a liar. But now after experiencing my own issues, I wholeheartedly support this

[@stopplzs]

is ecdysterone legit?

[@PoeticMachineDreams]

@@stopplzs Save your money.

[@SM-cq1mm]

​@@PoeticMachineDreams I don't know why, but you saying that made me laugh, three words that tells a lot

[@Vitapantern]

@@stopplzs I tried both Ecdysterone and Turkesterone & tiook 4 pills through out the day for 3 months, very expensive stuff that did a little effect like Creatine at best, difference is that Creatine is very cheap and should be used.

[@stopplzs]

@@Vitapantern alright ill just stick to creatine then

[@finnmerkle7739]

Josh Brett has returned prepare for greatness

[@thebeardarcey166]

Can agree

[@literallysweden]

yes

[@JohnDotBomb]

get excited

[@abbym613]

Yeeesssss!!!

[@sidking2381]

I've been waiting patiently.

[@FitLabb]

This is why it’s so important for all of us in the fitness industry to have something called INTEGRITY, & never sell out by promoting supplements or bad products for quick financial gains. Nobody needs any supplements to achieve great gains in the gym. A healthy balanced diet that properly fuels your fitness goals combined with putting in a proper effort are the two main keys to success. 💪

[@aprilbabies4462]

You support a guy who promotes htlt supps, get lost clout chaser

[@Redditor6079]

No, promoting supplements is fine. What's not fine is making supplements with proprietary blends that hide the contents and promoting them as shortcuts. Real world has bills, bills need to be paid. I have no problems with an influencer marketing their supplement to make money, provided they are honest and push the importance of diet/sleep/exercise before their supplement.

[@382u3uuej]

@@Redditor6079 well arguing that it's ok because it makes money is not a good point to make, if fitness influencers want money they could sell programs, their coaching services or just take the ad revenue from their videos. Other than protein and creatine I see the vast majority of supplements as not worth the money, maybe there are some supplements out there that are useful like Ashwagandha but the vast majority of supplements being sold by influencers are things which are both overpriced and that you don't need. It also makes you lose credibility to sell worthless supplements, if I saw a fitness youtuber selling those things I wouldn't take his advice seriously since it's dishonest to suggest you need something like a 30 dollar pre-workout(any honest person would tell you to save your money and just drink coffe or buy the important ingredients individually and save money while also getting the correct dose instead of having it underdosed).

[@jessebartlett3637]

It's too late for that. Fitness industry experts are on the same list as used car salesman, politicians and lawyers. Not a good list at all and only the mentally slower among us fall for the bullshit.

[@garrymcdonald5456]

Everyone has a price.

[@tomlazoriksuccessfitness]

Not gonna lie, I’ve been very discouraged lately in regards to fitness and the way it is promoted. For a multitude of reasons. I’ve taken some steps back from my KZbin because of this conflict. Your channel remains one of my favorite. Documentaries/video essays without BS. Thanks as always, Josh. True health and fitness will live again 🤝

[@placeholderdoe]

True fitness never died, it was just buried under a pile of watery crap made by a fitness tea drinker

[@tomlazoriksuccessfitness]

@@placeholderdoe that’s fair

[@Crazyfreak424]

What really pisses me off is when a friend gets inspired to go to the gym and after going to a supplement store they convince them to pay hundreds of dollars on stacks and stacks of supplements they don't need.

[@DeRockMedia]

i remember going to GNC and when Weight Gainers got brought up, he was truthful and said "you dont really need weight gainers, just increase your food intake". probably the most honest employee ive seen in a while.

[@Crazyfreak424]

@@DeRockMedia you do get some honest bros but they are a rarity. i remember when i first started gym years ago this bro at a supplement store unveiled the reality of steriod use what what to expect from supplements and steriods. Back when i used to think the rock was natural 😂😂

[@bigrunts9768]

@@DeRockMedia he probably wants you to come back. Mass gainers are super unhealthy

[@roeltingzon758]

Get thoroughly educated on supplements first before you decide to buy them. If you have the money & can afford all the best, then why not?...Even pro bodybuilders take supplements each day not just fancy steroids they take.

[@awemanyfit]

Thumbnail is wild man💀

[@brettjosh]

😶‍🌫️

[@thatoneguy9756]

It goes hard

[@awemanyfit]

@@thatoneguy9756 true, I can relate. I was white now I'm black,I gained a BBC though, now I can't walk well😢😢

[@FitLabb]

Fantastic video Josh, it perfectly summarizes much of what’s wrong with the industry. The bolder the claims made about a supplement, the greater the chances of it being complete garbage, though too many people fall for the big promises because it’s plays to human psychology by promising some magic shortcut…

[@liangdar9675]

I think it's a phase everybody goes through to be honest.

[@nilo7727]

Thank you FitLabb for recommending this video it is an excellent video first class all the way it is refreshing to hear the truth!!👌💯

[@joelyfpv7075]

I don’t really buy any major muscle company supplements but do buy a few bulk supplements then make my own supplements mainly creatine and a few things like that I’m still skeptic now on these hmmm

[@MarioTomicOfficial]

Great video Josh! You can tell who's legit just by looking at what kind of supplements they sell and endorse. Integrity is a rare thing these days.

[@jonathanrussell4004]

Just makes both of you guy's content stand out even more - thank you both!

[@aakeson5]

I do feel real regret when I think of how much h money I've spent on unnecessary supplements. I was young and didn't know better and no one was telling me it was a waste. Thank you for making content like this.

[@Angle98411]

Protein powder is not some magical substance that increases muscle mass faster than food. The reason to take protein powder is because it is more easier and faster way to eat more protein so it is more convenient

[@Angle98411]

So it was only a waste if you believed supplements will increase muscle mass faster.

[@DeRockMedia]

@@Angle98411 protein powders are still good if youre not hitting that daily mark (i tend to not eat as much therefore try to throw in some shakes if i can). The amount of money i wasted on Test boosters is probably my own personal regret.

[@aakeson5]

@@Angle98411 thank you. I dint usually use protein powder but my husband loves it. I mostly bought the random things that gnc employees pushed. Hindsight is always 20/20 lol

[@defaultworkouts]

good quality protein powder WORKS really well in recovery. NOT a scam

[@KRG30001]

It’s great to have a fitness resource that is separated from a “personality” like this. Great work as always

[@Teslacarword_teleg]

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[@ARoberts0115]

Josh Brett-You are remarkably ahead of the times at such a young age. It is really awesome to see. Your videos are well thought out and flow incredibly well. Keep up the great work. I am nobody special and hold no weight when it comes to a name or importance. I am a 48-year-old gym rat who has seen just about everything when it comes to supplements/marketing. The crap these companies and gloried natty roid heads are selling will never stop being pushed or marketed. The most important enzyme in all your videos is Mindfulness. You shine a spotlight on what many people may not take the time to notice. Keep up the magnificent work. We need you! The Fitness industry needs mindfulness like a fish needs water. The only difference is the fish knows it needs water to survive. The people buying these products, gym wear, gear, etc have no idea how bad they need mindfulness/awareness. Your videos do exactly that. If your video challenged even one young or old man or woman to actually research the ingredients or question why there ingesting a certain product, You have done your job. Eat right, exercise, and drink plenty of water. The secret has been out for hundreds of years. Keep your foot on the gas Mr. Brett. Another Job Well Done!

[@DrBradStanfield]

Fantastic video. Absolutely, supplements generally are overhyped. Diet, exercise, and good sleep are what really matter for health

[@gym_spur]

that's a whole new and huge topic to debate

[@Celtic_Iron]

Supplements are exactly that, a Supplement to a complete and nutrient dense diet. As someone who uses AAS and competed in bodybuilding, 90% of supplements will give you the slightest of improvements. For a competitive athlete with a full wallet it makes sense. For the average gym goer it's complete waste of time. Another thing missed by people is bioavailability. So many supplements are not bioavailable unless taken in MASSIVE doses. Ensure you check bioavailability of your supplements and vitamins/minerals before making any purchases. Saying that the actual supplements I recommend are. 1. Quality Whey Isolate 2.Creatine 3. NAC 4. FISH OILS

[@MathiasMartinWR]

Do not supplement fish oils. Bad recomendation, look into rancidity problems with that industry. Do not supplement whey isolate. If you are taking these as supplements you're 'complete and nutrient dense' diet is not what you claim.That would include you're Essential PUFA's and AA's. Thats the most important part given they are essential and must come from diet. Either that or rephrase whey isolate as its own meal which everyone should try to prioritize whole food over powdered food if they are able to, its cheaper as well and frankly more convenient once you learn you can just bake a hunk of meat in the oven and it tastes great and lasts a couple days.

[@Hercules003]

I nearly bought Turkesterone but then remembered why I started lifting. To exercise my stress away- the gains are just the side effects. I want to feel each painful reps and grow my body and brain with it. Shortcuts will not help me grow mentally.

[@bendelaughter]

Dude you are literally the best thing that's happened to the fitness industry in years. Please keep up the great content!

[@wizcorn9958]

Do you like great content?

[@defaultworkouts]

yes but certain supplements DO work. he paints the entire industry with a brush of scams. NOT true. creatine, turmeric, quality protein powders, I can go on

[@fransmaroki]

I stopped taking everything and finally after 10 years of trying with all the supplements under the sun I decided to focus on my actual training on what I was doing and actually made some progress, its been a year and a half now, and I have never felt better, and am just now realizing the weight of everything I was suppose to be taking was so overwhelming and made sure I made no progress fixated on what to take and when instead of how to train and why and how my body works Im glad this video exists because I feel like the supplement industry is main purpose is for people to stay unfit and unhealthy as it keeps their business alive.

[@tomsnowden6201]

I did the same with the exception of whey and vit d.. pre workout and creatine used to fuck with my stomach too much. There really is no substitute for eating right

[@defaultworkouts]

creatine works. not a scam. this video creator paints the entire industry as a scam. welder was he biggest scammer of all time that fukcer.

[@Gave-rf1hr]

The only 2 things that I saw results with is Casein and Creatine

[@Isaiah-ft5nx]

Creatine monohydrate, nascent Iodine, and a decent multivitamin is all I take.

[@traviss9059]

What I tell people at work who are getting into fitness is you don't need 97% of the things influencers are trying to sell you. Creatine and whey protein is all you really need along with a healthy balanced diet. You don't even need preworkout and I say to only take it if you lack the energy before a work out.

[@Adi-su3hw]

A teaspoon of coffee before workout, apart from one and a half in the morning, works wonders for me. Never used preworkout.

[@papryk3102]

You don't need creatine and whey protein either. You're far better off getting protein from food, especially meat and eggs because alongside protein you get almost every micronutrient your body needs, while the ones added to whey powders are nowhere near as bioavailable. Creatine works but for me the effects are negligible so I don't see a point in spending money on it. Diet always beats supplementation.

[@BelegaerTheGreat]

You don't need creatine.

[@ctb1977]

@@papryk3102 you've just given an anecdote about why he doesn't need creatine. This whole video was about looking at supplements from an evidence based perspective. Yes diet, sleep and exercise are by far the most important things, but the evidence for creatine speaks for itself. I don't take whey because it only provides a benefit if you're deficient in protein (which in not). But to get 5g of creatine a day from diet would require eating about 2kg of meat everyday, hence why I take creatine. I don't need it, but it's got 50+ years of research which prove beyond doubt it gives a 5-10% boost in strength

[@nothingbutlove4886]

@@papryk3102 Bruh, Whey protein is directly from milk and one of the most bioavailable products found in nature. This one statement shows you've no clue what you are talking about, yikes. Little baby cows can't afford losing them gains. In fact every mothermilk has probably the highest bioavailability on this planet, even fine tuned for the needs of the specific baby. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905294/

[@MrBradso]

Loved that closing scene. Summed up my thoughts exactly after hearing how dirty these companies can be. I knew they were shady but the extent of it really shocked me

[@PunkFuckUp]

Whats even crazier is the supplement industry somehow got around the usual scrutiny the FDA has towards drugs and food, basically as long as their products are labelled "correctly" then they can be sold to consumers with no accountability as to whether the product is safe, properly dosed, or as effective as claimed. Imagine if pharmaceutical companies had that same luxury.

[@agenthayek]

Also, if you need to bulk and feel like having sweets or pastry don't buy it at the bakery. Instead, buy the ingredients for the food you want to eat and make it yourself. Really makes you appreciate the work that goes into making it and you learn a new skill as well!

[@crazedmma0]

Someone finally calling out this industry built on lies. Its always seemed so shady, I knew this stuff like fat burners and other stuff like that didnt work but many do not know any better.

[@alubchicken]

No matter how many times we say it, people will always want to buy into the dreams that are way out of their reach. Is it really a lack of education, or is it the normies lust for a meaningful direction in their life? Maybe it's just human nature.

[@Chris-hz8lj]

Appetite reduction drugs work I believe.

[@ProfShibe]

The only things that truly work are steroids. Save your money or buy actual gear.

[@nutmalone5527]

@@Chris-hz8lj but doesnt that require a prescription from a doctor?

[@deedsofdecapitation7477]

Fat burners did work though, old Alphamine was definitely efficacious.

[@rahulshendre7089]

Bro your editing is becoming insane with every video !!

[@colej236]

Man I finally got out the pre workout hype when I bought a bottle of caffeine pills to compare to my pre. The caffeine pills gave me the exact same workout as if I had taken a pre workout. The pills cost me $8 while most decent pre workouts are $30. I've saved money to go to food just by doing that one change.

[@polrish9570]

No doubt the caffeine pills you took gave you the same energy since most of the preworkouts out there just jam pack their products with caffeine and underdose everything else. Unfortunate state of the fitness industry.

[@InDisskyS131]

LoL, what did you expect?

[@Cassp0nk]

Pre workouts are a bad road anyway.

[@richardlawson6787]

Hmm...I got that beat...cup of coffee costs me five cents....

[@danthovict381]

Ugh caffeine is bad...

[@1notdeadyet1]

The more I learn about this industry and the more I experience it, the more disappointed and outright disgusted I am by it. There are certain videos I know I need to make in regards to these topics and i wasn’t sure how to go about it. While I’m still not entirely sure, this was certainly the kick in the ass I needed to actually start filming. Great video. Hope to see you post more regularly, again!

[@therippedemon]

Man I would totally watch a full-length documentary from you. Everything you put out is straight fire.

[@wrigh2uk]

Dude, you just don’t miss on these video. The quality is more than worth the wait.

[@triccele]

Great video as always. Is kinda scary to know what bad supplements can cause. I love that the message is "only use supplements that hace robust evidence supporting it".

[@LeNiPeSanto]

The thumbnail is a picture of a bottle of Turkesterone but yet nothing is said in the video about it. I believe Josh is trying to warn us about the new Turk Hype and does not want to get into direct contradiction or arguments with the very youtubers that have helped support his youtube channel in the past that endorse and sell Turk supplements. We all know who they are. Josh you dont need them. Great work.

[@cyfeedoesstuff1983]

man I thought i was looking at a video made by a channel with more than a million subs but good quality keep it up

[@KH-mx7bg]

The supplement industry really pisses me off. As a younger man in the military, supplements were a way of life. Think the gym bro attitude but taken to a whole new level. Imagine all the most annoying people at your local gym, but they live and work together. Everyone was taking 20 different supplements because half the guys they knew swore by them. So much money. The local businesses took advantage of the attitude, as did the official government stores on post. It was when I went on to become a biologist that I realized how useless most of these products are, and how the manufacturers twist scientific studies and language to push sales. Half the studies they cite are stuck behind journal paywalls anyways (so unavailable to the average person, like too much of science) and the results expressed in the marketing are almost always grossly overstated and over-extrapolated. The hardest part about trying to educate people on the truth is that the truth is complicated. Science is hard to convey often times, especially when the products (claim to) target complex biochemical pathways. Your average person isn't going to understand the details of enzyme kinetics or protein synthesis; why would they? They don't need to know that stuff. But the marketing is insanely effective in convincing people these products work without the details. People won't take you at your word when you tell them something is bunk, and I don't blame them. Especially when they have an emotional attachment to the product. But it's hard to change someone's mind when the facts require an undergraduate endocrinology course worth of knowledge to understand. Make friends with a biologist or doctor so they can walk you through the details and access pay-walled studies for you. And generally for fitness supplements: if you don't need a prescription for it, it probably isn't worth the money.

[@DeRockMedia]

I was gullible growing up, believing the ads in the magazines and thinking i needed those supplements, hell i remember having a chart of supplements that went from most effective to least... price cost for each as well. now that im 37 and train everyday, I know the BS when i see them now. I cant believe i used to literally think that the supplement the model was promoting was the actual thing that got them their shape XD.

[@stanthebamafan]

I like the fact that many fitness KZbinrs, or at least the good ones, have really started to speak out against supplement industry scams. A large percentage of supplements are complete BS. These days all I take are a whey protein, creatine, and a handful of specific vitamins like Vitamin D, magnesium, and fish oil. Even with that stuff, I’m a big fan of getting your vitamin and mineral levels tested by your doctor because even some of the vitamins you take might not be necessary. For pre-workout I just do matcha green tea.

[@billking8843]

Tom Merrick said he has stopped taking just about all supplements and I think Alan Thrall just uses whey protein. A few previously good fitness youtubers are now pushing supplements.

[@danthovict381]

For pre workout, creatine + fresh coconut water is the best.

[@danrichseo]

Haven't used a supplement for over 5 years & I'm fitter & stronger than ever - diet is everything.

[@luisdelgado7764]

Damn Rich Piana really did make such good content. Rest in protein Rich 😔.

[@madams989]

From what i remember he gave pretty stupid advice and encouraged a ‘fuck it’ attitude when it came to taking steroids. We’re better off without him

[@ProfShibe]

@@madams989 "Don't take steroids" ?

[@Dan-1031]

That has to be the greatest outro I have ever seen. A plus. A plus man

[@oza1302]

This is such a shot in the arm to those of us who just eat clean, exercise regularly, monitor their progress, and try to get sleep. Well done. Clean presentation. Good infusion of humor. In other words, what we've all come to expect from a Josh Brett drop.

[@imagineimagining912]

“shot in the arm” I see what you did there.

[@oza1302]

@@imagineimagining912 lol

[@nicklibby3784]

So you're saying all you do is Eat clean, tren hard, test your progress, anavar give up...+ Sleep.

[@cesarsojo243]

It's a joy seeing you pop up in my feed. You're what KZbin needs.

[@sokaarzola]

Another amazing video Josh! keep the good work

[@matthewschenker3170]

Thanks for putting your efforts into this subject! I'm a newly-certified personal trainer, and I advocate a very limited use of supplements. I actually believe in making your own pre-workouts using knowledge of basic ingredients and effective doses. It's not very difficult to do, and you get control over what you take. Yes, you still have to learn what works. And of course, even the "basic ingredients" need to come from good sources. The sad thing is that there are quality supplements out there. But the bad players cause problems for the honest sellers. I totally agree with the "late adopter" principle. Just repeat to yourself, "it doesn't matter how good this supplement sounds, if there are no human trials, don't use it." The worst thing of all is when knowledgeable fitness experts forget this and sell something that ends up not being as promised. Ahem... Turkesterone?

[@Teslacarword_teleg]

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[@Parker_Miller_M.S.]

The only supplement I ever recommend gen pop to take is creatine. For athletes in specific sport circumstances the use of creatine is a no brainer, but I also recommend caffeine (if they already use it and don't get servere jitters even at low doses), beta-alanine, l-citrulline, and maybe sodium bicarbonate, and nitrate from beets if they don't get enough from food. All have good human evidence to back them up that consistently point in the direction of being ergogenic. IMO there is not enough evidence to support much else currently. Even BCAAs for me are an "on the fence" supplement because meta-analyses find either no benefit or a small-to-trival benefit. Anyway, people can spend their money how they please, but I do agree that supplement makers and "influencers" should have much more integrity and transparency in the products, the research behind them, and the safety of the product. If you choose to supplement, but supplements that are informed choice or NSF certified.

[@gainzification3478]

I’ve dissed supplements for years, I only use fish oil tablets, protein powder, CBD gummies & that’s it, I don’t even use pre-workout or creatine. Most supplements are a waste of money, I don’t recommend depleting your monetary stat in exchange for an attempt at increasing your aesthetics stat, not a worthy trade off

[@thegoldenraspberry1018]

May I ask why cbd? Just curious

[@justshane5270]

I'll own that I bought some of these in the past. I only take a multivitamin, Life's Furtune, and use Guerilla mode pre-workout with no stimulants. Saved a ton educating myself with videos like these

[@JW-nd7nv]

John Brett-a young guy doing a world of good for impressionable fitness enthusiasts. I had a peer die of a heart attack in the gym after taking a pre-workout (early 20s). He didn’t know he had an underlying heart condition, and the 300-400 mg of caffeine mixed with extremely high amounts of vitamins and herbal extracts sent him to an early grave. This shit is no joke- So, thank you Josh Brett for making this video. Everyone needs to really reflect and do their research, and even then, consulting medical and nutritional professionals can certainly help.

[@Boostlagg]

I think it depends on the supplement. I had this chronic shoulder joint paint for a few years after hurting it during a cable pull. I started taking collagen peptides and while it not completely healed but I have range of motion back and the almost 80% less pain moving as before. I know this isn't a placebo because I also suffer from psoriasis and my skin hasn't been this clear in I don't remember how long. I'm now a collagen believer.

[@bencooperjewelers]

Would help me with joint pain was omega-3 and magnesium. I bought it from one of those evil supplement companies.

[@Iron-Bridge]

What brand of collagen peptide are you using?

[@DantesInferno96]

Anybody got tips for ankle pain after a run? Only left ankle btw.

[@bellewhite3764]

@@DantesInferno96 ice it, rest, and begin to train tendons after this. The Bioneer has some great tendon training videos (and recommends others). Have read about collagen to aid training, but haven't tried yet. Sorry can only be a little help, and I hope you're managing your runs 🤗

[@BuJammy]

Take your vitamins (especially D in the UK), take zma before bed, and some protein powder when you need it. That's it. If you wanna go nuts, wheatgerm oil and desiccated beef liver are both cheap, well researched and long understood.

[@allwillberevealed777]

I can say Vitamin D3 did help me. What's funny is that even in one of the *Attack on Titan OVA,* the people that lived underground suffered from weak legs due to lack of sunlight.

[@Chrissmills]

Your channel is so underrated, another banger video as usual 🔥

[@Nfspeed000]

The only supplements you'll ever need if you choose to get some are protein powder and creatine. Pre-workout is debatable because there's always that conversion of it it actually works or if it is just a placebo. The supplements that are a waste of money are fat burners, bccas/aminos, CLA, ketones, and mass gainers.

[@CountMeCurious]

Tbh breakup is the best pre-workout 😅

[@noahwilliams9191]

Great video. My only criticism is that cocoa powder can actually be used as a supplement. Cocoa contains epicatechin, a natural myostatin inhibitor. Consuming 50g per day is the recommended dose. Pairing it with creatine and protein makes for a pretty powerful shake. But like you said in the video, supplements account for a very small part of what actually creates results

[@Marte0107]

The only thing I stand by is my multivitamin. After being prescribed creams for my hand eczema caused by roaccutane (eczema that got worse after the cream ‘cured’ it) I remembered reading somewhere that multivitamin might help if you’re deficient in anything. That multivitamin was the ONLY difference and kept the painful eczema at bay (slight itch occasionally) until I finished the roaccutane.

[@xBDE]

One of the main problems is there is absolutely NO money in bodybuilding, it's the only sport/industry where you pay to go and see a competition and the host company takes all of the money. If you go to a music concert to see a performer they get most of the revenue, if you go and see an NBA game the players are very well compensated based on sales. Bodybuilders get next to nothing, the top classic physique bodybuilder gets £25,000 for WINNING the biggest show of the year that generates almost 100,000 buys at $50 a pop. That's less than US national minimum wage. If you want to be competitive in the fitness industry you have to become a marketing shill, it's just the way it is and it's fucking horrible. Some of the greatest's of all time like Ronnie Coleman didn't make enough from bodybuilding and has to see fat loss topical creme to pay his medical bills. I don't think people shilling products is necessary a bad thing, I think the finger should be pointed at supplement companies who are literally selling powdered caffeine and flavourings to kids for $40 a tub. Bodybuilding is so bad at the moment that some people literally enter it just to promote their new supplement range like Kevin Levrones infamous return. The supplement industry for the most part is a scam, and the next generation is going to have it worse because kids now see very unrealistic physiques on instagram from people who are on grams of test @ 19 years old claiming natural and that all they need is Turkesterone and Creatine. As a general rule of thumb, stay away from anything that you can buy using someone's "promo code in bio"

[@chaparra6488]

I keep forgetting supplements exist and I get reminded in ways about it that made me thank god I forget about them.

[@Hercules003]

8:30 The Placebo effect opened my eyes.

[@sebastianhelgeson3559]

Great video, I’d love to see a video that goes in depth into what supplements ARE good to take. Supplements can be scary and I’d love a run down of what ones are actually beneficial.

[@jaredcooldude]

Hey, Josh's first video posted is specifically about what supplements to take. I think it's called, "What supplements do bodybuilders ACTUALLY take?"

[@sebastianhelgeson3559]

@@jaredcooldude nice, I didn’t see that. Thank you!

[@missingno88]

i'd argue if you're not living in a sunny climate vitamin d3 is the best supplement you can take

[@steele952]

Any advertisement on KZbin is an immediate red flag to me 🚩

[@jdhd999]

I got caught in the hype for a pre work out back in 2017. I actually ended up getting super energy every time for about 2 weeks. I have ADHD and my hyper focus was so intense that I couldn't be not busy. My mouth became inflamed and itched my whole body was feeling tingly and fire ants like. Then I stopped using it and felt like garbage for like for a month. I couldn't even motivate myself to grab a bite to eat let a lone workout. Became extremely restless staying up for almost 3 days at a time. I lost 20 pounds that month. Never used supplements again!

[@cincin4515]

They're a mish mash of who knows what chemicals and frankenfoods laced with toxic amounts of caffeine.

[@borkbork4124]

Meal replacements are in the same world of supplements. My mom only eats one solid meal, and drinks two “shakes” daily. I am very worried for her health; when she eats her solid meal she will eat anything and everything, she licks plates CLEAN! Then the rest of the day is moody, and probably has other symptoms only she would know about. Suffice it to say she has disordered eating, and we all know even the fresh juice cleanses are bad. I did a 3 day juice cleanse once and learned the hard way that returning solid food to your diet makes your entire GI tract HURT! Please make a video about the harm of meal replacements. Even the solid food ones are awful. If a brownie has NO SUGAR in it and is full of FIBER, then it makes you wonder what else is in it, and if it is really the brownie experience someone is looking for.

[@Teslacarword_teleg]

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[@TobyKBTY]

Me who can't afford supplements and dumps more into my grocery and whole foods budget: Interesting

[@nedkelly2035]

I agree with most of this about the products mentioned, as well as a lot of others. But even mainstream medicine, including my general practitioner, recommend a few basic supplements for people not eating a perfect diet or for those under physical stress (such as from sports, heavy exercise, etc.) After quite a while of chasing fatigue problems by looking into thyroid issues, having a sleep study done, monitoring blood sugar, even some psychoanalysis, my doc FINALLY ran micronutrient tests. Turned out I was low in Vitamin D, B-12, B-6, and iron. She did not prescribe any of these, just told me to go buy a broad spectrum high potency multivitamin, and to also add a heme iron supplement (one derived from liver), and for a different reason, she also had me start taking cod liver oil capsules. The result was an incredible cessation of fatigue, and general feeling of improved well being. INCLUDING being more fit, able to exercise with weights again, etc. The recovery started right away, though I would say it was more in the range of 6 weeks before I started to feel really "good" again. Point being, not all supplements are dangerous or a waste of money.

[@imaXkillXya]

Nothing beats the chicken broccoli and rice super food combo with a side of the divine protein shake.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

A video on the ACTUALLY effective and PROVEN to work supplements you take would be nice so people get a idea for what DOES work

[@ca6koto0]

Just like Jack Joseph, I too am cheap af with my money. So cheap, in fact, that I don't spend any money on supplements. Thank god for that.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Good decision they are unnecessary better invest your money in food

[@oscargomez4970]

Amazing video as always. I'd like to suggest a couple of topics: the history of bodybuilding (vintage diets and exercises) and post bodybuilding life (Ronnie Coleman) and death

[@whatthehell406]

Greg Doucette needs to watch this! He'll do a video in response yelling "How DARE Yooooooouuuuu!!!!" Lmao🤡

[@jayburnett5621]

Dude never misses! Grade A content

[@leddyvilla]

People always want the easiest shortcuts to mass and strength and even weight loss The industry takes advantage of that tenfold

[@josefrobbins8781]

Woah, KZbin tried to keep this one quiet Josh. Still here to give my support!

[@fernandaubidia6903]

This needs to be said louder and drilled into people no matter the stage of their lifting journey. I've fallen for many scams that thankfully have only cost me money. In this era of hyper exposure, it is so hard to remember that there are no shortcuts and that if it is too good to be true it probably is. Great content as always Josh keep it up!

[@InnerSun777]

Truth! Eat healthy whole foods, calculate your required calorie and macro intake for your goals, train 3x or so a week with a decent progressive overload workout plan, and get plenty of rest (Do all these things consistently) and you will make progress. Eating right + rest are so important.

[@reneezareski5439]

I never thought about the animal testing involved. I also looked for vegetarian protein and supplements, but now I have to keep an eye on cruelty free?! This is eye opening

[@therogueunderdog]

I don't think you will find any supplements that were not tested on animals ever. They have to go through a process similar to medicine.

[@AbsoluteUnit1337]

@@therogueunderdog no they dont. If it’s a supplement they dont need it to be fda approved, and can throw whatever shit they want in there

[@therogueunderdog]

@@AbsoluteUnit1337 My info is from Europe. Always forget the rules are completely different on the other side of the great pond :\

[@MarmiteMangoMachine]

It's been 3 years since I completely stopped using supps (been lifting for 12). I'm bigger and leaner than ever. Real food is king.

[@mravisserieux6162]

"If it's too good to be true, it's gotta be". Thanks dad. Never fell for this shit but I understand how mass-appeal marketing would get into ones head but there's no shortcut to health. If there was what makes you think most of us could afford it?

[@lesliegrayson1722]

Well done Brett, parents of my age 50 told their kids this sort of stuff and its sort of implied after that but kids also think things are new and sometimes they are but mostly not.. the 1960's fastest manned plane is still the fastest manned plane today...

[@pablov1323]

Thanks for the video Josh. Quality over quantity, as usual. You are a very postive influence in fitness world

[@k-ondoomer]

yo Dr mike is the goat his advice has been so critical in having a great bulk phase. All of his content is grounded and applicable / science based without going into niche studies. His form videos are excellent and his approach to bodybuilding ( I don't do Strength / powerlifting) Is all about safe rep ranges

[@owengonzales53]

Josh, thanks for putting out such consistently good quality and informative videos. This is such an important topic. Whenever I have a friend that wants to get into lifting or fitness in general, I always tell them to stay away from supplements except for protein powder if they need it and maybe creatine. Anything else is likely a scam or just not worth the money

[@maidyas2250]

face of transparent fitness🙌🏻🐐

[@carjack1195]

As a fan of SSS and Derek of MPMD i love seeing them get recognition for their actual positive influence and scientific exposition

[@Cassp0nk]

You what? Derek is all over turkesterone the rat/insect steroid.

[@simonramzi2406]

I've watched all your videos so far, great work again and I can't wait for the next one.

[@Carlos-ln8fd]

Thank you so much again for promoting critical thinking and proper science. Your videos are amazing.

[@user-ks9ft8jg5s]

Thank you guys that you are exposing the dirty secrets of fitness industry. We should be more aware oh what’s happening around us!❤

[@HalfJapMarine]

Doing some great work! Love the content and the messages you keep putting out!

[@Hbcfrtyujjbbcxdtmnggyuoop]

Maaaaan I'm so hiped for the MPMD video about this.

[@momeski4525]

Great video Josh, you on another level with these videos. Greg Doucette usually review Josh's videos but this one getting him sweating already 😂 #Turkesterone

[@michaelworley8866]

haha first one him and more plates more dates didn't review

[@karmaQT]

I just use myprotein whey unflavoured. I assume that's all fine. I have ghost pre workout just for the sake of trying it but I don't care for it.

[@BloodAsp]

lmao, that ending was hilarious, yet incredibly on point.

[@aaykay7977]

I was worried that you stopped posting, good to see you back with an awesome content again

[@eddscall]

I guess all you just need is Omega 3, Vitamin D and Whey on a basic level

[@YouTubeChillZone]

And a lot of quality sleep to really raise testosterone levels

[@filamese7298]

Your channel is the definition of quality over quantity

[@skateata1]

Always happy to watch your videos. I only use protein powder because I'm lazy and food is getting more exspensive, granted protein powder has gone up too.

[@brettjosh]

Protein powder can be great Kelsea!

[@YouTubeChillZone]

I stopped using protein powder after prices in Europe jumped 50% fludemic side effect

[@krossxeye660]

Creatine did cause a near 10 pound jump in bodyweight and I felt physically a lot better once I started taking it, and it's pretty cheap day to day for me. I'm not interested in all these fat burners, volumizers, whatever, and I think many people shouldn't be. The only way out is hard work and diet

[@bigtheorymusic]

That ending was poetic. Excellent work as always Josh.

[@IshanRijal-n8y]

As a beginner lifter, I was just planning to purchase supplements. After watching this video, never mind.

[@JoeWalkerr]

get creatine and if u need it protein powder

[@beatswitchheadmusic4749]

One of the finest fitness documentary maker in KZbin...!!!

[@RinkyDunk]

These videos are always worth the wait. Good job, sir.

[@landenx]

My physique, and overall feeling of “healthiness” while on vs off supplements (protein, creatine, BCAAs, pre workout) isn’t noticeable. People would benefit a lot from just doing their training, eating good healthy food, and hydrating. There isn’t any need to depend on supplements, despite what the industry likes to tell us.

[@mysty0]

Great Video! Unfortunately the 'Conspicuous Influencers' aren't going anywhere. One thing Ive learned in life is nobody cares what you've done as long as you got rich doing it, in which case they cling to you like flies to bull dung. These Influencers are aware of that and are shameless in their approach to acquiring their filthy lucre. They know that their Influence grows exponentially with their wealth and will continue to act in the shameless manner that got them where they are, this is true of Influencers across all spectrums of interests with even religion being full of its charlatans!

[@eudesgeoffroy8416]

The doucette guy won't like this vid, he sells half a dozen types of supplements.

[@1975reispedro1]

Dr OZ.... What a caracter... Giving drive hope to thousands of people should be based on true facts not easy ones... But we live in the era of likes and not information (although the last one is paid expensively to obtain).