Brexit bust-up & Hitchens on Ukraine - The Week in 60 Minutes | SpectatorTV

[@willc2797]

'it's super difficult to determine what's going on inside the heads of Russian leaders' Really? You could try listening to the many long speeches given by Putin and Lavrov which give the historical context aswell as the goals and reasons for them. You can speculate over the truth of them but noone can say it's a complete mystery. Unless you're obfuscating of course.

[@DieFlabbergast]

If you believe anything that national leaders (of any country) say in public, you are amazingly naive. Indeed, one could wager that if they SAY something out loud, what is going on inside their heads is definitely something else.

[@casteretpollux]

Exactly.

[@User0resU-1]

My view as well. Also my view that if Ukraine is winning why are they retreating and begging for more and more arms, training and money.

[@ballerblocks]

if you want to understand the Russian mind set, just listen to his speech as regards the unipolar /multipolar world. or speak to people outside the political west. what's most important is that it makes logical sense what he argued for, but what makes it difficult is that it requires the west to give Russia and the rest of the world a say in the political future of the world.

[@ballerblocks]

@@User0resU-1 bcos of information blackout. (check defence politics asia) KZbin. it may give you better perspective of the war

[@elainemagson213]

Thank God for Peter Hitchens. A voice of sanity and realism.

[@RandoBurner]

He said that Russia wouldnt attack because Russia doesnt need more land and that Putin would be starking mad. Plus he now is saying that this is a protection racket war. With tens of thousands of dead and more tens of thousands wounded and hundreds of billions of losses in the form of equipement(tanks, helis, rockets etc) it isnt a protection racket war as he puts it. Plus thousands of companies pulling out of Russia, massive economic problems, not even CHina is supporting this. Its not a way to cripple the Ukrainian military. They tried to take over the whole country or half of it to the Dniepr river or impose a new leader under the fear of russian guns. To believe tens of thousands of dead and the losses they face in material is just to make sure Ukraine doesnt join Nato is at the very least naive or worse.

[@pdcomedy]

Far too kind to Frostie. He helped negotiate a treaty they assumed they would be able to renegotiate later. There is no honour there at all.

[@willc2797]

yes the MOD probably does find social media a good source of info on Ukraine - given that western media is noticeably absent! Patrick Lancaster has been reporting from Donbass since 2015 ie when the war actually started. More latterly he's been in Mariupol. Unfortunately what he's recorded does not align with the chosen western narrative. Maybe why the media is reluctant to send journalists over there?

[@casteretpollux]

There is a news lockdown on the Ukraine papered over by USUKUKr fake news.

[@V12F1Demon]

Reporting 'on the ground' means stationing reporters in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Western Ukraine - all far from the front-line. Also, there aren't any 'journalists' anymore. A few Italian, French, Bulgarian, Canadian journos along with Graham Philips, Lancaster, etc the only ones doing some real reporting.

[@casteretpollux]

@Craig Steddy Congratulations on your in-depth investigation, but this is not news. Independent journalists don't exist. Patrick Lancaster is as much under the wing of the local and Russian military than the USUK brigade were in Iraq. The difference is that he gets out of his room and goes to where the war is and talks to people. And they rarely say exactly what he wants them to. The only other footage so immediate in this conflict is the vile stuff the nazi amateurs let out from time to time. Half the Brits are M16 etc.

[@casteretpollux]

@Craig Steddy You are someone who think's he's special for some reason no one else has noticed and you haven't paid to the fact that the British Empire is over and the UK is scrambling for US crumbs. You are reduced to trolling cheap insults at imaginary entities on YT to look for your "I'm great" highs. You wouldn't know reality if it bit you on the ass. Which it shortly will.

[@V12F1Demon]

@Craig SteddySarcasm is not evidence.

[@translunar1]

Peter Hitchens is a national treasure and his comment on Liz Truss, marvellous. Please have him on the show every day!

[@Olebull93]

It's a shame we cant hear his brothers thoughts on the subject.

[@ELishaJesus1980]

People in the KZbin comments that feel the need to ridicule people based on their appearance, voice, or ideas, are cowards and have nothing to contribute to any pertinent present discussion. Avoid them like the plague.

[@NikoHL]

Peter Hitchens, proved right yet again. The other chap's prediction of a possible Russian collapse hasn't aged too well.

[@barryoneill1703]

So happy to hear this.

[@louislucas9446]

The brilliant, Peter Hitchens… all we get is propaganda and speculation. A man who says it as it is. 🙏👏👏

[@kevinbanks2795]

We like Lord David Frost he should stand for mp

[@mirandaneely360]

Or Penny Mordant? She has made light work of Angela Raynor on more than one occasion.

[@andrewcheadle948]

@@mirandaneely360 I should imagine that a dog turd could defeat Raynor in a debate.

[@pierceferris]

Peter Hitchens, right as always… 👍

[@disturbedcarrot]

Get the impression Peter doesn't rate Mike's analysis too much.

[@星yve6wns]

War studies may well be a valid discipline but it's new and therefore wooly, dominated by pinkos such as this man.

[@idlehands1238]

I'm not always convinced that Hitchens believes what he says. To get paid for his views he has to take a contrarian position and seems to treat it like a debating club where he's told what the topic is and which side he's arguing for.

[@philltaylor8442]

He's like the REST of us! Thay'll do wot ever thay want to! So why waste his intelligence when STUPIDITY has taken OVER COMMON SENSE!.

[@castelodeossos3947]

That's a clever way to dismiss someone's arguments. It looks clever but is merely a mild ad hominem argument, which is, of course, the lowest of the low, apart from physical violence.

[@idlehands1238]

@@castelodeossos3947 Hi Peter. Nice of you to pop over from Twitter.

[@Dabhach1]

I think Hitchens not only DOES believe the things he says, and DOES care about those things (unlike his late brother who, in my opinion, was a pure controversialist who cared only about the argument for the argument's own sake). However, people make the mistake of thinking the two positions are mutually exclusive. They're not. It's perfectly possible to believe with all your heart and passion in a given position, but still present your case in a controversial -- even inflammatory -- manner, and I suggest nobody does that better than Peter Jonathan Hitchens.

[@castelodeossos3947]

@@Dabhach1 Quite agree. I enjoy listening to CH but his glibness and endless playing to the gallery can be tiresome. PH is another kettle of fish altogether: just as bright but with more depth and seriousness. Neither of them, of course, was ever rude, which says something about a good upbringing.

[@cassandra2249]

Mr Frosty...you can't change the protocol, end of. Europe and America won't stand for it.

[@DS9TREK]

They have no power here

[@luckydubeinrc5165]

Mike Martin is clue less!!! peter on the other hand shows he has a clear vision and understanding of Western propaganda!

[@jaderington]

An hour of my life I will never get back ! Utter guff !

[@solideogloria...7421]

Trying to say that BRITISH people don't care about THE UNITED KINGDOM Is a nonsense.. The discussion about Northern Ireland & The protocol has been HEAVILY CENSORED.. That's why you're not hearing much about it.. No Other Reason.

[@hittitecharioteer]

Thankyou. It needs saying regularly (attention spans being so short these days).

[@casteretpollux]

@@hittitecharioteer Well, no more so than everything else.

[@DS9TREK]

It's true. How many people say they're English first and British second? It saddens me but support for the UK is declining.

[@peterdockerty8077]

Lord Frost should be PM

[@rhobatbrynjones7374]

Frost had to resign because he failed to get his agenda through. To become PM, he would have to stand in an election but he is too entitled to consider himself accountable to the public.

[@peterdockerty8077]

RBJ unfortunately your lack of knowledge on who can and who cannot become PM means you’re way out of line. Frost could become PM if the tories want him to take over. No he doesn’t need to be elected as he sits in the Lords. The tories need putting back on track…. Lower taxes, deport illegal migrants, sort out the NI Protocol and if that means a trade war so be it. Threaten Ireland to butt out of UK affairs, sort out Macron and his stupidity and empty threats, sort out fishing, shore up the red wall by doing all these things

[@rhobatbrynjones7374]

@@peterdockerty8077 If you seriously think that a member of the House of Lords could become the Prime Minister, then it's you who do not understand the workings of the British constitution. The last prime minister to be drawn from the House of Lords was the Marquess of Salisbury in 1902. As for the rest of your diatribe, it only demonstrates the thuggish nature of the modern English nationalist.

[@leandrobuenodelondres6558]

Great edition team!

[@niallseanmcauliffe5758]

The fact you have David Frost on this show shows desperation. He's a Lord for signing a deal, saying it was great, then after a few months said it was rubbish and blamed everyone but himself or BJ. Then he walked away and threw his toys out of the pram over "covid issues". I noticed he didn't give up his big salary as a Lord. Pathetic

[@andrewcheadle948]

Wasn't just covid, was the net zero "green" agenda too, which anyone with half a brain can figure out that implementing such a lunatic agenda will do nothing but wreck UK businesses and the economy here, and will make absolutely no difference to co2 levels and temperature globally! Of course what it will do, and maybe this is just a fantastical coincidence, is it will give the state control over every minutiae of our lives. Well fancy that,as a coincidence!

[@guleiro]

Indeed...

[@DS9TREK]

Lords don't receive a salary, what are you on about?

[@artemisjuno]

People in England do care about Northern Ireland and the Northern Irish but the problems are so deep seated that I think we feel helpless.

[@casteretpollux]

If you care about Ireland, get your government out of Ireland. 300,000 Protestants live happily and peacefully in Ireland ( Republic). You don't have to look far to find the cause of N.I. tensions - it's in Westminster. Of course you're very welcome here on holiday or as a peaceful resident of a reunited Ireland.

[@andrewcheadle948]

@@casteretpollux what about the Irish who want to remain part of the union? They don't matter? It's not up to the English to get our government out of NI, thats up to the Irish people. Same applies to every other country in the union.. Scotland had an indyref in 2014,the result was remain. Of course that was the wrong result for those who wanted independence, so the excuse of brexit was used to push for another one. Of course if the Scots have half a brain the result will be remain again, but that won't stop the nationalists pushing for a third indyref... Are you starting to see the problem here... A democratic once in a generation vote is being ignored, because it is the wrong vote!

[@casteretpollux]

@Soul of a robot I made the move. Not always easy but never regretted. Housing shortage at the moment mainly in the Dublin region.

[@taintabird23]

How was the UK not fully sovereign when it signed the NIP? What pressures was it under apart from pressures it put on itself?

[@DS9TREK]

We were subject to EU law and EU pressure.

[@taintabird23]

@@DS9TREK What EU law?

[@cdeford]

What a perfectly pointless discussion on Ukraine that was. It's so obvious that these so-called analysts don't have a clue about what's happening.

[@whitesquirrel4131]

Clueless? not really, but Hitchens did admit that postulating about baseless statistics in a situation he is not a part of and has no direct reliable information on is pointless and tedious. Pay attention.

[@ballerblocks]

@@whitesquirrel4131 trust me, they are clueless, bleeding Ukraine of men in order to fight Russia. is not even logical, the talking point s are the same, morale, Putin, Putin. Ukraine is not going to win,(unfortunately) the aim is to profiteer, and essentially cement American dominance over EU foreign policy and energy policy.

[@janehenderson5391]

I am beginning to think Mike Martin is the oracle. His sources may be unconventional for traditional historians but he seems to call the direction of the chaos in Ukraine. I am fast becoming a follower. Bravo.

[@willmartin1033]

Yet there are other, perhaps even more qualified analysts, that take an entirely contrary view to him. As Hitchens mentioned, I very much doubt anyone making unequivocal statements about the conflict can have any conceivable notion as to their truthfulness, even after the event, and especially if they rely on social media. Personally, I don't believe the atmosphere in Britain regarding this conflict allows for any rational insight into the direction of events whatsoever.

[@mickey2927]

he's a clown

[@sirsaxon7039]

Frosty for PM. Boris needs to stop worrying about upsetting people and get behind the UK..

[@hittitecharioteer]

Johnson never was other than a ’remainer’. Obvious to any and all objective assessment that Brexit has (to all ends and purposes) been sabotaged by a ’remainer’ establishment.

[@BlyatimirPootin]

You lot are so deluded.

[@barbarabrooks4747]

Politicians were very foolish not to include an orderly exit polivy. The UK should require future treaties and trade agreements to contain an orderly process of the UK wishes to discontinue the agreement. I'm addition, the UK was remiss in not insisting on legal limits to the EU's reach. The immigration debacle would not have happened if the voters had a plebiscite. More issues need to be settled by referendum because international organizations frequently go against popular will. People don't want to be ruled by paralyzed civil servnts and courts that won't deport either illegal aliens or extremists.

[@lynncuthbert2307]

Because the EU is Britain. Wake up.

[@barbarabrooks4747]

@@lynncuthbert2307 Germany is the EU, and it's been completely under Russian influence until now. Remember how Trump gave Angela Merkel a white flag? He said it was for when she had to surrender to Russia because of Nord Stream dependence.

[@lynncuthbert2307]

@@barbarabrooks4747 We have a German Queen.. Go figure. Like I say UK is the EU.

[@DS9TREK]

@@lynncuthbert2307 I'm pretty sure she's British. George V specifically reformed the Firm to make it British and dilute any German

[@lynncuthbert2307]

@@DS9TREK They married into the Rothschild Family. Banks and Royals are the same. German!!

[@nmsmith1158]

Mike Martin says twitter is the best source of info for what's going on in Ukraine but we know twitter is not an impartial source - perhaps Twitter plus Telegram is better to get a view from both sides

[@misomiso8228]

9:23 Very interesting listening to David Frost talk. Clearly very inteligent and actually very reasonable man. However James F is also very correct in that Boris isn't really credible from the EU's perspective. When the negotiation was very tense about the no deal Brexit, ultimately he folded, and the EU think he will do so again. Also the British ARE misreading the situation; the EU will not care that there is a war on in Ukraine as all they really care about is the integrity of their treaty legal system. Ironically the worse it gets for Boris the more likely he is going to go for the Nuclear option, as he will have very little to lose and will be insentivised to roll the dice a bit.

[@smith5796]

Wow.

[@andrewcheadle948]

He's not going to go for the nuclear option is he, as that isn't an option!

[@miras2222]

@@andrewcheadle948 hard Frost'/Johnsons' Brexit was a 'nuclear option' for British economy, they messed up everything so badly, the damage is horrible. As soon as the whole mess became obvious, Frost cowardly resigned, giving silly excuse. Johnson clung to power like a tick. Those who have made a mess are certainly not capable to clean it up. they are too focused on denying reality and avoiding responsibility, sticking to their lies and blaming everyone else.

[@smillner771]

Northern Ireland == Donbas, Boris Johnson == Putin Current trajectory is that British troops will be back in Northern Ireland within 5 years UNLESS the UK sees sense and takes note that the majority in Northern Ireland are more concerned with making the protocol work.

[@disturbedcarrot]

The EU obviously sees that Boris will do whatever it takes to keep his PM position including selling out unionists.

[@alphafox400]

Isn’t searching for tractors or tramps better than going stark raving mad from boredom?

[@V12F1Demon]

'General mobilization' they said. This aged well.

[@dianastevenson131]

Where were David Frost and Peter Hitchens speaking from? They were obviously in the same room, but it doesn't look like an office - more like a gentleman's club.

[@oreganoregan5947]

I like listening to Peter Hitchens as a contrarian but he seems to have no knowledge at all about what's happening in the Ukraine war. His argument seems to be "I don't know what's going on there and both sides always lies in a war. Therefore no one knows what's going on there".

[@castelodeossos3947]

Wrong way round, I'm afraid. It's: 'No one knows what's really going on there, even though they claim to, and that is why I cannot claim to know so myself.'

[@smith5796]

@@castelodeossos3947 What?

[@peterhitchens4240]

I am not a 'contrarian' and regard the term as an insult. I take positions because I believe they are correct, not for effect. I do indeed know very little about what is happening in the Ukraine war. The difference between me and other commentators is that I openly admit it. I have studied the histories of many wars (I am currently reading Alistair Horne's marvellous book about the Verdun battle, 'The Price of Glory' ), and one of the things this teaches you is that the claims of generals and politicians, and the reports of media, on either side, are often wholly misleading . I foolishly thought everyone knew that the first casualty of war was truth, but it seems that this generation needs to re-learn the most basic things, having been deprived of a proper education.

[@smith5796]

What?

[@oreganoregan5947]

@@peterhitchens4240 By contrarian I meant someone who often has opinions that are different to the orthodoxy of our culture. In my view, contrarian opinions are essential for a healthy society. Of course you are right that the first casualty of war is the truth. However I agree with Mike Martin that things have changed recently in warfare with the ubiquity of smartphones and social media. Obviously a lot of the “information” is fabricated. But it seems that skilled analysts can learn a great deal from photos and other sources. Several analysts on Twitter were calling the Russian attack on Kyiv a failure for weeks before the Russians actually retreated. These same analysts are now pointing out the virtual halt of the Russian offensive in the East around Donbass. Also, Russian soldiers at the front are posting on social media and Russian newspapers are readily available on the internet. So yes, the fog of war is still very much a thing but there is so much real information out there that would not have been available in wars pre-smartphone/internet.

[@SheilaTitchener]

I must be the only person on the planet who is not addicted to a smart phone!! given what these people are saying.....I think phones should be banned in all public places.

[@castelodeossos3947]

That appears to be what Xi Jinping tries to enforce.

[@robertstewart239]

Why is it that people who don't like something go to the extreme of wanting it to be banned? I usually leave my phone at home when I go out, but if other people want to use theirs, that's up to them. They are MOBILE phones, after all. And why do you say everyone else is addicted? There are seven billion people in the world and they're all addicted except you? How did you find that out?

[@DS9TREK]

No, you're wrong. Instead of banning phones from public we should ban the things you like but I don't like.

[@TheMarcosutra]

james' weird inhaling and slurping is so offputting. I don't know how you can consider this a serious chanel if your editing team won't edit it out. It's too distracting and offputting.

[@davebento1548]

And I still have not heard what is wrong with the protocol. When the oven ready lie was sold it was said the protocol was the best of both worlds. That is still correct. No action should be taken regarding the protocol until NI has voted on whether they want it. So the government should stick with what it agreed and signed until all the people of NI - not just the DUP - have given their view. Polling suggests the rest of the UK would like the protocol arrangement themselves !

[@danieldecides7894]

I think to Peter Hitchens point of what is the objective then we can reasonably reduce that at the very least this escalation has shown that two things I think are worth mentioning. 1st - The tension between the two countries that were formerly one are traced back recently to the disposal of the elected former President of Ukraine by interference of one kind or another in an internal countries affairs. The EU are not to escape criticism from that time and of course this was a precursor in some ways to what we see in the TV screen today. Lastly and more importantly is the continuation of NATO as an ever present entity and of course you have anti-Russian sentiment whipped up in Poland and the Lithuanian President is another individual who plays to her gallery and so I think Russia’s objective in part is actually akin to saying to NATO - Ukraine will not be another military base in effect for you and to price this is the case this is a taste of what we can do - which goes some way to showing just how utterly dangerous the rhetoric of Boris Johnson and other leaders standing on Kyvy soil saying we are with you 100% - and so I think that if Russia wanted to comity 100% to taking Ukraine - perhaps foolishly but my view nevertheless I think they would do it. Does anybody actually realise what challenging Russia represents insider as the British interest (which I fail to see what that interest is) - it would mean at least 100,000 troops of various kind and mass death and far, far worse - war with Russia the nuclear power is a little different to bombing Libya or taking apart Iraq - someone should tell Hilary Clinton that until it sinks in!!!

[@wendywolfman]

If I see a video with Peter Hitchens, I click on it.

[@smith5796]

Lol.

[@InnerVoiceOfReason]

Some are best suited to behind the scenes, or radio.

[@davidbrunsdon3245]

The DUP's support for Boris and Brexit has badly misfired for them. They were far better off with the EU Single Market status quo. Boris has sold them down the river. The notion that the EU has to make further concession to the DUP is laughable. If the DUP don't want to nominate a Deputy - it's no problem for the EU - and not for Boris either.

[@avit24]

This is a joke isn't it? You leave a union then you want thing's that you're leaving from!

[@guleiro]

🤣 That is indeed true

[@creator7583]

The wrongs of wanting more

[@peacefulpleb]

Totally agree with the SOCMINT sourcing; OSINT is now critical and mainstream media is way behind - I would not go near. Actually the MODUK briefings have been some of the most authoritative and accessible and now widely rated. There are though some excellent freelancers who do a fantastic job following the operational tempo and direction on the ground.

[@Teaspun]

@Peaceful Pleb Can you recommend any of these freelancers?

[@mac5325]

In response to Peter Hitchens unable to locate the origins of the couple of days claim that it would take Ukraine, I believe it was General Milley addressing a congressional commitee to at the beginning February, needless to say it was a very worse case scenario, that was wrong. I would assume that Milley would be better informed than a pundit, who sounds slightly pro Putin.

[@peterhitchens4240]

Thanks but I am well aware that Western pundits , 'experts' etc have made such claims. What I cannot find is any evidence that the Russian state or military made them. It is all very well such 'experts' saying that Russia has not met targets which they say it had. It would be quite different if *Russian* generals had made them and then not met them. I do not see why anyone should assume General Milley is especially well-informed. 'Intelligence' sources, as we surely now know, are often duff and in most cases tell their recipients what they want to hear. They know that, if they don't, they will be ignored.

[@novorossian2279]

THE FALL OF EASTERN & SOUTHERN UKRAINE TO RUSSIA & WHAT FOLLOWS There is a town called Poposnaya in eastern Ukraine. It is in an elevated position where much of the surrounding area for many kilometres out can be surveyed. The Ukrainian army has just lost it to the Russian forces slowly making progress toward the towns where the Ukrainians will make their last stand in the Lugansk province, Severodonetsk, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. This breakthrough will lead to sieges of the remaining conurbations listed above. It is not thought that they will pose the same problems or require the same time to liberate them as was found to be the case in Mariupol. In Mariupol the fighters were predominantly irregulars, Azov Battalion ultra-nationalists and of course they are still refusing to emerge from below the Azovstal steel works there. Severodonetsk, Slavyansk nor Kramatorsk are industrial towns in the same way Mariupol is and neither are there likely to be any ‘fight till they die’ Azov extremists in them, they are almost certainly regular Ukrainian army troops with some national guard among them. For myself I suspect that there is a strong likelihood, though not by any means a certainty, that most will surrender. I can’t imagine they will relish fighting to a needless death. Russia’s campaign in Ukraine is therefore coming to the end of its second phase. Once the Lugansk region is fully secured all remaining Russian troops will be deployed in dealing with the very last significant Ukrainian positions near Donetsk City. That done, some mopping up around Kharkov will no doubt take place and then essentially Russia’s operation is basically done and dusted. The question of other regions in southern Ukraine that wish to become affiliated with the Russian Federation as republics such as the Kherson region will either have been resolved or be in the decision-making stage by the end of the main phase of operations outlined above. How long will it take for the end game scenario as described take? I would imagine three weeks at the outside, potentially as little as two more from the time of writing, May 12th. It has become clear within the last week or so that the western powers and those who speak for them within western mass media are finding themselves less and less able to put on a brave face talking of endless Ukrainian victories while avoiding all else. This makes them more grounded in reality than they have been… but it also makes the most powerful of them more dangerous. As the saying goes, all’s fair in love and war’ and as we have seen an already copious amount of false flag operations have already been undertaken by Zelensky and his people. The combination of growing desperation and the reach and scope of western powers along with highly complicit mainstream news platforms almost any atrocity can be arranged in the days ahead and laid at Russia’s door. However, I suspect there will come a time when the penny finally drops among western elites in general and with a resigned sight they will finally admit defeat. Defeated on the battlefield but defeated also in the financial and economic fields also. They will begin to turn inward and belatedly turn their attention to their increasingly battered, free-falling economies to see what they could possibly do to shore them up. Russia will get to work also, but more in much more extroverted fashion, with a ruble soaring in value against the dollar and euro, with inflation under control and predicted to fall, with self-sufficiency in energy and food, with a bumper grain harvest forecast, mightily increased profits from its oil and gas and stead, strong and stable links to trading partners China and India among many others… Russia will set to work rebuilding the new republics to the west that were once part of Ukraine. These are a few of my predictions regarding… THE FALL OF EASTERN & SOUTHERN UKRAINE TO RUSSIA & WHAT FOLLOWS aearnur.substack.com/p/the-fall-of-eastern-and-southern?s=w

[@Swift-mr5zi]

Mary Rose reference was gold

[@offaofmercia3329]

Isabel spot on about poor quality speeches. Standard of literary flare I find is so very disappointing now. One of the best and pithy exponents in recent times has probably been Ian Blackford in truth but they're mostly all so banal and bland. Without Fabricant's hair weave I think I'd pass out with boredom. I haven't seen or heard my own Midland MP utter a word in ages. As for tractor grazing ...I've always found mini skirt and stockings sites far more stimulating than explicit nudity. Though why you'd want to get hot and bothered in the chamber is an odd one. Good chat by Freddie G on Roe-Wade too, issue a lot clearer now. Hitch as irascible as ever.

[@neilhedley6080]

The Brexit “ oven ready “ deal was negotiated by Frost, rushed through Parliament without scrutiny and achieved a huge majority. They should have read it first before voting for it

[@athought2256]

Mrs May developed a deal that was Brexit in name only, ie not Brexit at all. This was agreed by the EU but not our parliament. Boris/Frost were faced with adapting this deal to make it more Brexit like. They mainly did that but some elements of May's compromise persisted and time and political capital ran out. Any further delay would have meant us being in the next EU election and budget round. The mess started with May. If you recall, that is why Boris left the May government in the first place and ultimately it is why May's government collapsed and Boris was elected - as the politicians had tried to manipulate things to force the country to stay in EU despite the vote to leave. The Northern Ireland deal could have worked better than it has however the EU have applied the letter of the law and they have done this very cynically to try and force more trade with the EU. I understand and agree with your point but I think it is an oversimplification.

[@smillner771]

@@athought2256 The mess started with Brexit. Northern Ireland is our very own Donbas...the vote to leave the EU was a lunatic strategic blunder, undermining western unity and therefore will only lead to more autocrats such as Putin & Jinping. These horrific territorial disputes can only be resolved by being flexible towards sovereignty. Britain and Russia are ex-great powers but have yet to fully realise this.

[@adamabele785]

@@athought2256 I think those who claimed they had the oven ready deal and signed it, are responsible for what they signed and what they voted for without reading it. There were several years after the referendum. And this short time frame started as soon as article 50 was triggered. So article 50 was triggered without a plan what the deal should look like. Then the EU offered an extension which the UK took, but still was not able to hammer out a deal AND THEN DECLINED a further extension. So time ran out because there was no plan. And so the UK took the last exit, literally on the last day possible.

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Im afraid you got it the other way around. The EU has given concession after consession and GB and especially the unionists have said not enough every time. It is they who are cynically exploiting the situation. For Frost to claim GB is acting reasonably is laughable. I cannot believe James seems to agree with that. Disappointing.. It will leave the EU having to go as hard line as GB in the end to the detriment mostly of GB. Yet they dont seem to care..

[@paultaylor7947]

Why bother with Ireland

[@craphead9842]

Where's all video footage from the Ukraine... nearly every adult as a mobile phone now???

[@seanmoran2743]

The attitude that the bureaucracy in Brussels takes towards Hungary shows anyone with an open mind what the EU really is.

[@lindaslavutar3655]

Hungary has been ignoring the rule of law and basic democratic values

[@seanmoran2743]

@@lindaslavutar3655 Slogans aren’t facts

[@seanmoran2743]

@@lindaslavutar3655 ps so has France !

[@deborahcoveney8846]

The EU is not democratic. Led by unelected people who are all crooks which Andrew Neil stated when he was at the BBC

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Im surprised to having myself agreeing with P Hitchins. The other guy relies on social media. For him the one side mainstream media is no longer valid even though they mainly follow the Twitter sphere. One needs to be skeptical which is what Peter is doing. The west has a very one sided view. More diverse opinions are needed so it was good to have Hitchins on.

[@martinstringfellow2364]

Why does Spectator TV keep inviting Peter Hitchens on to discussions on Ukraine. He denies knowing much and appears to know less.

[@danh9922]

He's offering the correct and he's own opinion that we all should agree with regarding this war rather than believing either sides's propaganda.

[@brundelfly1]

As opposed to espousing the real-time strategic battlefield information gleaned from Twitter and TikTok?

[@martinstringfellow5473]

@@brundelfly1 Not taking at face value but triangulating the information with multiple Twitter and TikTok (and other social media) feeds and checking the geolocation information of the uploaded photos and video. It's a big part of what, for instance, Bellingcat and the Institute for the Study of War do.

[@jamesarc8192]

In moments of disinterest at his deliberately effete, contrary views, we can peer into the vastness of his revolting full frontal nasal cavities

[@entropy5431]

@@jamesarc8192 Hehe. Can some one throw that bird a polo mint?

[@paultaylor7947]

Why bother with the EU

[@davidrudduck56]

If so bad why sign

[@TheSpoovy]

Does Forsyth have any actual insights or interesting sources? All I ever hear or read from him is rehashed opinions from elsewhere.

[@nicodesmidt4034]

UK IS NOT PUSHED INTO ANYTHING ! The pressure was solely created by the UK, The EU would have taken multiple years to negotiate, but the F&incg Tories wanted it done quickly (Get Brexit done and all) ejits

[@rupes3618]

This is a shocker from the spectator! When are you going to get the other side of the discussion? So much for you being the broad church Tory house magazine.

[@casteretpollux]

What other side?

[@andrewmossop6241]

Whatever, send the band in!

[@MH-zq4nl]

We have no confidence that this is not just a pr stunt.

[@windowman929]

We hold all the cards remember.

[@wbafc1231]

So Twitter is now a analytical tool used by the MOD???

[@readreceipt]

It should be. There are some excellent OSINT accounts there who are doing excellent work in documenting troop and materiel losses, geo-locating and dating photographs and videos, and exposing propaganda.

[@nicodesmidt4034]

What happened to the "oven ready deal" ???????

[@davidrudduck56]

No grey matter just waffle

[@peterdockerty8077]

Poor Katy Balls detests Boris she cant hide it. Speccy is really now New Labour

[@horacephistbump]

Boris is a man without any scruples. A liar in his public and private life. Very little to like. Compare him to a man like Gordon Brown. Whatever your view on his politics, a man with a moral core that ran through him.

[@turbolevo8703]

Yes. A new statesman facsimile stuffed with leftists.

[@sisiphas]

Naw

[@hittitecharioteer]

Johnson was a paid up member of the Liberal Party whilst at Cambridge. Did anything change?

[@sisiphas]

@@hittitecharioteer well that’s a point - he does seem to know the difference between a man and a woman though!

[@mididoctors]

This is utter nonsense the protocol works fine? Northern Ireland enjoys a economic advantage no other bit of the UK has .

[@balthazar4289]

Why is Peter Hitchens invited on to these programmes? All he ever does is shrug and say "I don't know" and act as if every question is a gross impertinence. If he has nothing to say he should bog off.

[@imaginationfactory9560]

Only Katy presents the argument that on the Northern Island Protocol the Johnson government has been less than it should have been. The guests insist that Britain has the option, as a sovereign nation, to stick it to the EU. Yet, these same gentlemen were those that supported the agreement with the EU. After this, after party gate, after so many instances of lack of integrity on the part of the Johnson Tories, what can one say??? Very little. Spectator would do well to have this conversation with a commentator that is properly able to contract the opinions of Frost - unfortunately for the pro-brexit stance, it seems that the Spectator is unwilling to really argue against the positions put forward by those that are normally interviewed. It's rather disappointing to see such a "soft" approach in dealing with questionable and quite frankly slimy figures like David Frost.

[@casteretpollux]

Well said.

[@paulmchalegrand]

Exactly. David Frost negotiated the Protocol and signed up to it. When he knew he could not improve it, he quit making up some nonsense about not liking the direction of the government. This man is a fraud and The Spectator interviewing him without any credible challenge is disgraceful.

[@andrewcheadle948]

@@paulmchalegrand he didn't like their covid reaction, which was a complete lunacy knee jerk over reaction. And he doesn't like their net zero agenda, which again is one of complete lunacy! Or do you think spaffing 100' of billions up the wall on something that will achieve absolutely nothing other than wreck businesses and the economy here is a good idea? I'd have quit over the same thing.... Wouldn't you?

[@mididoctors]

Frost argued for this protocol FFS

[@craigo2656]

Peters non-committal approach is tedious and a bit pompous. There is the emerging evidence of clear possibilities. Whilst the future is not written it is not impossible to discern and attempt to encourage certain events.

[@edwardchaney192]

Frostie for PM...

[@demosthenes1296]

I like Peter Hitchens but get bored of his eternal quest to be a contrarian, slightly smug, holier-than-thou raconteur.

[@castelodeossos3947]

Quod erat demonstrandum. You have proved your own point, I'm afraid.

[@peterhitchens4240]

I am engaged in no such quest. I hate the stupid expression 'contrarian', because of its implication that I take positions for effect, rather than as a result of thought and experience. You'd have to have direct access to my inner self to make such a claim against me, - and you don't. Take it from me that you are mistaken. If I am smug, which is perfectly possible, it is because I am so often right where the crowd is wrong - not difficult in an uneducated conformist world. I make no claim to be holier than anyone else. I confess each week, accurately, to being a miserable sinner who has left undone the things he ought to have done and has done those things which he ought not to have done. So unless holiness consists of admitting your misdeeds, this one doesn't stick either. Perhaps my problem is that I really do not seek to be loved or liked by total strangers.

[@castelodeossos3947]

@@peterhitchens4240 Ha ha: 'If I am smug, which is perfectly possible, it is because I am so often right where the crowd is wrong - not difficult in an uneducated conformist world.' First thought it was the true Mr Hitchens himself here but there are those who say nay. Probably true since he's far too polite to write such a comment.

[@demosthenes1296]

@@peterhitchens4240 I don't believe you are on a quest to be contrarian and have followed many of your debates with interest over the years. I do feel, however, that with your numerous interactions with Mike Martin, since the Russian invasion began, the use of the word contrarian is apt. I will apologise for my tone which wasn't warranted, I had a grumpy start to the day.

[@iconoclast2679]

@@demosthenes1296 You mean that he isn't singing the song you want to hear?

[@chris-mg5ui]

Not only will Russia suffer if this war is continued indefinitely. So will the ordinary people whose governments are sending billions of taxpayers money to keep it going plus ordinary citizens in the countries directly affected

[@paulhevan322]

Yes I thought that the sanctions would hit us more than Putin. Cutting off gas and oil also helps BRINO Johnson with his zero policy.🤫

[@debbiegolanzi4397]

@@paulhevan322 exactly. If countries still inside the Eu have more leeway to put their own people first it is obvious that the UK is still in it in all but name

[@debbiegolanzi4397]

@@iaincochrane8741 ordinary UK citizens are actually getting poorer

[@Sums75]

“Not only will Russia suffer” I’m sure Russia and the West will suffer economically but spare a thought for the poor sods in Ukraine who have been thrown under the bus. Ukrainian citizens are the ones that get caught up in the war games of nations. NATO/America are stoking this fire and obviously don’t care about peace. Russia shouldn’t have invaded but the West shouldn’t have poked the bear for the last 20 years. The media quickly forgets or chooses to withhold the historical narrative, that the West agreed with Russia that NATO would not expand towards the east. Instead NATO has expanded to the point where it is as good as on Russia’s border. I wonder how the American government would react if Russia as a leader of a communist military alliance, agreed to take in Mexico as a member. Look at the Cuban missile crisis, and that was not a bordering country! History is quickly forgotten when it gets in the way of the current narrative.

[@frusia123]

No country is helping Ukraine out of pure compassion. What will happen with your country and your monarchy if all is left of Europe is a puppet of Putin? What will happen to Britain if Russia, already the largest country in the world, swallows up Europe and becomes even bigger and even stronger? The countries paying millions to Ukraine are really paying their way out of having a war on their own lands. What's more costly?

[@serarthurdayne9490]

I read the mainstream media papers so I know what the figures are: Russia have lost 17 million troops and a billion tanks and Ukraine have lost 4 troops and a bicycle!

[@merseybeat1963]

Sounds about right to me : /

[@rogerclark6605]

The whole things become a joke , just reporting opinions with no facts, a little bit of wishful thinking.

[@trevaudio]

Frost = absolute zero credibility

[@CbrigBear87]

My God, this is insufferable.

[@guleiro]

Why is Frost pointing fingers to the EU for a deal that was agreed and negotiated by him?...

[@smith5796]

Because he is a narcissistic lying ghoul.

[@guleiro]

@Leroy Jenkins I've been following this process from day one. The 27 are quite happy with the protocol arrangements, so don't really know what you're talking about. The one reneging on a agreement that was voluntarily signed is the UK. In any case, if the UK (or England to be more precise) wants to go for a no deal scenario it will be quite fun to see what are they going to do with NI... The last elections results in NI already show the trend of what us coming for the British union. Please go for a no deal option because we continue to laugh at the expense of such self-destructive English brexit nationalistic hubris... Regards from the sunny EU.

[@guleiro]

@UC9XKZ1tVQsCBuZUm0xUHxBQ "Trolls"?... 🤣 Why is that?... You don't like free speech?

[@guleiro]

@Leroy Jenkins And the mention of the EU "capitulating" in the negotiations is also not true and it's quite a joke... If the UK has been reneging the protocol exactly because it's in position of weakness from day one...

[@guleiro]

@Leroy Jenkins 🤣 I think you need to review your knowledge about this subject. Under the NI protocol and under the export rules and standards of British goods the United Kingdom is effectively following EU rules. You can not export a bag of rice to the EU without it being within rules set in Brussels. Moreover the British government has just announced a few days ago that checks of EU imported goods would be postponed for more than a year because they know that would mean serious problems for businesses and shortages of products in the shops. At the same time, the EU has been checking British exports at its borders since the UK left. That's not being in control. That's being a rule taker.

[@novorossian2279]

UKRAINE: THE POWER OF AN IDEA AND THE PR PRESIDENT No matter what anyone’s feelings are regarding the rights or wrongs of Russia’s actions in Ukraine ,you have to admire the success of the public relations campaign behind Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The level and supreme coordination of the unlimited support he has received and achieved across Europe is unprecedented. At its source is the power of a single idea, that in this wicked old world of ours there is still an antiseptic and clear division between good and evil. This idea has almost unlimited mileage in this world which was previously ever-rapidly moving toward total cynicism. Like Live Aid in the Eighties the cause of Ukraine has allowed for a vast upsurge in idealism, a cleansing of the soul by a cathartic anger combined with compassionate grief. Western humanity has taken Ukraine to its heart, oblivious to any warts that may be transferred in the process. No, it’s warts and all, till death do us part, a marriage ceremony blessed by every liberal institution across the western world. In furtherance of this marriage comes the weaponry to protect it, a sworn duty to assist in the defeat of all those who would tear this great union apart. Blessed by every high priest that can be found and all those of the secular variety who have newly wiped the blood of the Iraqis, Syrians, Afghans and Libyans from their raiments… to be born again, cleansed by the holy public relations of total, unquestioned belief in their communal rightness. It is said that up to a hundred public relations companies have been set to work devising strategies and campaigns to deliver the “truth” about every aspect concerning Saint Zelensky and his acolytes, his hand-maidens and supplicants. Every move he makes is choreographed with a precision usually accorded to the high and mighty of this world and to a far greater extent even than for those illustrious figures. Technology has been brought to bear in every aspect of the bringing of Zelensky’s holy word to an adoring public who hang on his every word. Politicians of all descriptions go dewy-eyed at the mere mention of his name. The only personality that could possible do better and inspire such an outpouring of devotion would be JC himself come down on his fiery chariot to smite the heathens who besmirch his holy name. For yes, this is a crusade, a mighty army has been recruited, indeed has volunteered. Such is the popularity and public relations success of Mr Z that the entire panoply of great liberal beats of the political, cultural, commercial and social whirls constantly arrive at his feet to touch his hem. (Or perhaps his trouser bottoms… but that doesn’t quite have the same ring to it, does it?) It’s all a tremendous success, a tour de force that social historians will reference for decades to come. A phenomenon to be studied in great detail mapping each triumph along the way… Meanwhile, in the rather more real world, the Russian military grinds slowly forward tackling each massively fortified village, town and city one by one in Northern Lugansk and the vicinity of Donetsk City. Poposnaya (Popasna), a city of some 20,000 in normal times, the gateway to the more northerly much larger conurbations of Severodonetsk and Lysychank, has just fallen to the Russians. Expert analysis says that these too will fall given time, perhaps a month or a month and a half from now. Russian forces will then descend on the last remaining Ukrainian forces in the vicinity of Donetsk City and they will be eliminated also. That will be it. Game over. The entirety of the Donbass will be secured, one of the prime objectives of the Russian campaign Will the Zelensky spectacular continue with this news? I don’t know. It’s quite hard to say as the momentum behind it is supremely strong having the near infinite backing of the entirety of western liberal power in both Europe and the USA. Will rump Ukraine be saved by Poland making it a protectorate, a sideways shuffle into the EU? Perhaps. But in some form or other the show will go on. The power of that idea of good and evil battling it out in a passion play with as simple a plot as can be made possible will have a momentum and dedicated belief system behind it that I can’t see an instant deflation of its big PR balloon happening overnight. What is most likely is that there will be the briefest of poses as might happen at the greatest party you’ve even been at when someone knocks something over and it sounds like a gunshot. There’s a momentary shocked silence and then the whole shebang kicks off again as if nothing happened, no one got scared, it didn’t reveal any jerks with weak-knees at all, everyone keeps laughing and dancing the night away with gay abandon. When it is realised that Russia has permanently removed a great chunk from Ukraine I imagine there will be a brief wrinkling of brows and sturdy words of never-ending support for the “sovereignty of Ukraine” and so forth… but the brave willies of the West will certainly do nothing more than pout. But what a party it will have been! Catharsis will have been achieved. A vast cleansing of the western psyche after the debauchery of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria will have taken place, the communal computer will have had its hard disk memory wiped. What joy. The PR party that saved Ukraine while destroying it will without doubt go on in some form or other, perhaps in a form where a great moral outrage arises due to the sudden influx of gun crimes and terrorist attacks across the most pristine of European capitals. Oh what a party THAT will be! While, back in Ukraine, a country largely hollowed out, abandoned perhaps by 60% of its original population will have a permanent begging bowl extended to a Europe and USA seeking donors for their own begging bowls. Perhaps a PR offensive will be called for? But who will pay the piper THEN? Oh well, it all seemed a good idea at the time. And what of Mr Z? Where will he end up? No doubt he’ll be okay. His fans won’t let him down, surely? I would expect he will become an EU commissioner, or some sort of ‘special adviser’ within that select liberal cabal. They do look after their own you know. So, he’ll be fine. A fresh shirt each day, a chauffeur and sleek black car with tinted windows, a high-security villa or two and a few hundred million euros in the bank. It just goes to show you what can be achieved these days… UKRAINE: THE POWER OF AN IDEA AND THE PR PRESIDENT aearnur.substack.com/p/ukraine-the-power-of-an-idea-and?s=w

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Yes. It seems the West is so uniform in its thinking about Ukraine that one needs to be skeptical. I stopped caring about 'reports' in the media. No diversity of opinion allowed. The message is that Russia is losing the war. The question to me is: is Ukraine winning it? I see a continued war in the east of the country that could drag on and on. If Russia can continue to disrupt the Ukrainian economy the influx of weapons from the west will simply lead to perpetual war mainly to the detriment of Ukraine. Russia can sell its oil and gas to the east, India, China and further on. More than half of the world's population. It would be better for the Ukraine to give up the east and make settlement but again and again Zelinski has pushed the sovereignty idea beyond reality and the west backs it up seeing it as their fight against evil. Zelinski and the west depend on russia's defeat. But if Russia's back is against the wall it makes for a very dangerous situation. Putin's paranoia will only get stronger with all the retoric coming from the west. It seems the US has nothing to lose by simply providing arms and other recources to the Ukraine unlike Europe.

[@IvowtoTheemycountry-my6nz]

Seventy Three and Seventy Free

[@furtwangler5283]

The Uk should have walked away years ago. People like Frost kept us in a perpetual hell of 'negotiation' instead of a clean break.

[@guleiro]

A clean break will never be an option for the UK. You brexit people need to stop day dreaming with unicorns...

[@danieldecides7894]

How can James Forsyth have his role as political editor ahead of me? Under President Trump (like him or loathe him) it certainly was not the case that the US was prone to head to Dublin for their view on how things are going - on the contrary President Trump had (has) a strong affiliation with the UK (his mother is Scottish) and it is striking that doesn’t get mentioned - frankly it should have been. This is our territory and we are capable of deciding as a sovereign state - not some senators in the states - thanks.

[@southafricandominion]

Why does James Foreskin not tidy himself up a bit.

[@jonathansimmons5353]

*Lord FROST For PRIME MINISTER*

[@rumples2698]

does Peter live with Lord Frost ???

[@deirdrewalsh4177]

I really hope the government does destroy the protocol.

[@IvowtoTheemycountry-my6nz]

Another not anover

[@johnbush88]

Peter Hitchens was not impressive

[@laserprawn]

Of course OSINT on social media is often explicitly funded by American and British intelligence agencies--so no, we are not exactly "flooded with data" (let's say that besides civilian bombing, nearly no civilians have been at the front line of a modern peer/peer war), but rather a country like the United States can have "independent media" bring about selective stories. That is, a degree of separation has been achieved in the public sphere between the political aims of Western intelligence agencies and the means to achieve them (OSINT). It works precisely because it feels as if mere civilians are catching every little drib and drab of the goings on--in fact many OSINT accounts are, again often openly, run by former intelligence officers, and make use of Western satellite technology. It's simply the state finding a way to infiltrate the public sphere in a manner authentic enough to work to mold public opinion--which is of course extremely important to manipulate if you are a democracy which has foreign policy aims which require, if not votes, public assent in opinion polls.

[@stevehomer3676]

Ridiculous number of banal KZbin adverts? That's not normally the case? What has changed

[@petermiddlemost5971]

The problem with the NI Protocol is simply that the EU does not want Brexit to be a success. What followed Brexit appears to be a conscious ideological decision to make trade much more difficult (than before Brexit). This is strange. As GB buys far more from the EU than vice versa, one would think the EU would do everything possible to make sure a reliable, big spending customer did not look elsewhere to trade.

[@taintabird23]

The problem with Brexit is that it cannot succeed as presented in 2016. This is because those who sold Brexit to the British public either did not understand what they were talking about or they were knowingly lying - there is evidence for both, depending on the Brexiter. I live in Ireland. Brexiters were interviewed on Irish media before the referendum and they were constantly asked how Brexit could possibly work without a changing the status quo on the island of Ireland. None could provide an answer, none of them could foresee a problem. It appears they also did not understand the implications for the GFA, or if they did, they were lying. Some Brexiters have hinted that the subsequent problems were all Ireland's fault. The inference being that Ireland should have left the EU to give the UK the Brexit they wished for. It is more likely the case that, at the time, they held the UKs importance in such higher esteem than Brussels did, and expected Brussels were throw Ireland out of the SM or EU just to get that deal with the UK. The UK buys more from the EU than vice versa, but it represents only a drop in the ocean when it comes to trade within the Single Market for EU members as a whole. It is the EUs size when compared to the UK that determined who held all the cards in the negotiations. As for the Protocol, it was simply a British suggested solution to the unresolved question of Brexit and the Good Friday Agreement. Johnson the liar, never had any intention of implementing it, he simply needed to win an election. But now he is stuck with it. Brexit has been an economic, political and diplomatic failure and betrayal of British statecraft in Europe built up over decades since 1945. It has been remarkable to observe.

[@alanchriston6806]

@@taintabird23 a excellent synopsis Uk is a colony of the USA And both a rapidly declining country’s It’s a joy to watch. And their electors appear to want more , I could not be happier. To watch them both collapse. Oh I live in the uk. The place is laughable. 😊🏴‍☠️

[@casteretpollux]

No, not correct, factually. The EU is bored by UK antics but will take a firm line regarding wholesale reneging on International law.

[@trevaudio]

You buy far more, because you have too !! And….you’re really not a big deal to the EU. Sorry !!

[@rogerclark6605]

Hard to listen to this one sided look at the current situation, what a situation we have got into the west.

[@DS9TREK]

What situation? They tackled several topics

[@ianjackson8371]

Spectator 158k subscribers, CNN+ RIP while Russell Brand has 5.5 million subscribers. The MSM need to do the maths and stop parroting "the Narrative."

[@jackominty3633]

Never heard the word attrite being used before, but I suspected it wasn't pronounced that way. I was right. At-write not At-writ. That's showing off, because he never HEARD it used.

[@jackominty3633]

@Bernard Attrite. Two sillybells. Who uses this word? Except maybe a tosser like Will Self. At least pronounce it correctly, if you are going to parade it.

[@the-quintessenz]

What's that parade in the background?

[@martin5940]

The speactator or youtube; one of you two has to put a date on before click!

[@peacok01]

Rather hear more from David.

[@turbolevo8703]

Contrarian Pyotr Hitchenov could strike up an argument with an empty chair. His dear Late brother would’ve been calling for Russian expulsion from Ukraine. I’ve read enough of his works to know that.

[@banjo1434]

Christopher became a neocon loon, so you're probably right. Peter is far too sensible to buy into neocon snake oil. And lest we forget, Ukraine is a neocon adventure through and through.

[@turbolevo8703]

@@banjo1434 You’ve got no idea.

[@jamesp8569]

@@banjo1434 please go play one

[@ravenmusic6392]

Do you have any actual argument against his position? Christopher wasn't a saint, he backed several utterly disastrous and disgraceful polices, not limited to Iraq but also against Iran which helped create the turmoil in the middle east today

[@seanmoran2743]

Well he’s brother loved war and blood letting as long as it wasn’t he’s ! I’d also point out he was an admirer of Trotsky until he’s dying breath

[@ericwillis777]

Twitter is banned in Russia, so what is he talking about ???

[@sheerpride]

Ukraine?

[@pablob3128]

Tweeter?

[@CbrigBear87]

mike sits on twitter and predicts ukraine win! get your bets in lads

[@geordievillan]

'you have to look at the real world' as part of a sentemce devoted to arguing 'just because I screwed everything up doesn't mean you get to hold me to my incompetence' hahaha Frost should so stand up.

[@paultaylor7947]

Breakfast in Siberia