Brexiteer Blames EU For 3rd Country Status On Panorama

A Brexiteer from the IEA right-wing think tank was invited on to BBC Panorama to talk about the benefits of Brexit, but he blames the EU for 3rd country status and he suggests that Brexit is a means to "shake up" the economy, something that could benefit businesses.
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[@captainpugwash4100]

It’s like building a wall in front of your house and then complaining that the view from the living room has been ruined.

[@FFM0594]

..while blaming the bricklayer.

[@libropetete9830]

That is right

[@nwickstead]

A bricklayer who said that your view would be ruined

[@fosterffoster5092]

Hopefully none of you mind, but I will be ‘borrowing’ this, as it sums up the situation very well.

[@captainpugwash4100]

@@fosterffoster5092 be my guest!

[@terrygelinas4593]

The EU didn't change - the UK changed by leaving the EU. Julian is living in La-La land.

[@theunknown1426]

NOT la la land but LIE LEI LAND

[@brkr78]

Was gonna say somehting similar - GB decided to leave, you can blame the EU all day long, it doesn't change the fact that the EU didn't want GB to leave, but GB insisted on it. And after they got what they wanted they keep complaining that they no longer any infuence in the EU. Who would've thought? What Johnson and his lackeys realy wanted was reaping all the benefits from the EU without any of the attached obligations. They are not alone with that sentiment, but they are the only ones who actually got to the point where they have to learn the hard way that you just can't have the cake and eat it. And of course now the blameshifting begins.

[@ivanmase99]

@@brkr78 As an Italian, I can tell you we are all laughing at the UK... it is just sad. The British people were so respected in the past, we all aimed to become like the UK. Now it really has become a laughing stock sadly, the loss in respect has been greater than the economic losses.

[@FutureAllenNL]

Somethin bout those little pills unreal the thrills they yield until they kill a million brain cells. I'm going down to La La Land

[@KaasSchaaf666]

@@ivanmase99 that is the big problem, economically it will go well for a while. But GB's credibility has sunk to zero. Unfortunately.

[@catherinewilson3880]

I can't make up my mind whether these people are liars or fools. Maybe they're both.

[@timothysimpkins6229]

More like idiots!🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fosterffoster5092]

Liars

[@Bantallas]

Lying requires intelligence? Well, only if you know the truth and come up with the lie yourself.

[@frankieseward8667]

Rookie mistake. If you think everyone is dumber, then you'll be destroyed in no time.

[@adrianshaw7293]

Very much the former, because they are clever psychopaths doing very well for themselves.

[@nmarks]

The National Lottery's slogan is "You've got to be in it to win it" The same is true of the EU.

[@timberwolf7240]

I always considered the Lottery to be the "Idiot tax"... Buying a lottery ticket is like paying a tax on your income... that money is gone, and you are never going to see it again... And you are an idiot for paying it, because the chances of winning anything worthwhile are essentially ZERO. But now that our Country is going to hell in a handcart.... um, sorry, no... I mean... in a big red bus, with Boris's foot flat on the accelerator... I am now the "idiot" playing the lottery at least twice a week in a desperate attempt to get enough money to flee this sinking ship!

[@randar1969]

But one of them fills your pockets on average , the other makes you loose money on average.

[@lost_boy]

they're slowing learning there's nothing exceptional about British Exceptionalism

[@kensmith5694]

Perhaps it should be said as "not longer anything exceptional" . While being part of the EU there were things exceptional about the UK. Now it is just one of a great many nations that are not part of the EU.

[@freshwaterspaceman7194]

There's plenty exeptional about British exceptionalism, it's positively barmy!

[@martinobrien7110]

Except their stupidity .

[@f.zijlstra9195]

Ed Gray: And you think Brexiteers are capable of learning anything? Really, I admire your optimism.

[@minimoog4236]

An important point - When he says 'regulate our country' he absoultely means 'De-regulate our country'.

[@rossgeography]

this is why they don't want to align for NI goods

[@michaelstolte6561]

No he means "regulate"... in their own ways you know, chumocracy and all that, as lads are just lads, you know

[@westwindsailer]

It would be one thing to interview the average bloke, but this guys political ideology is quite far to one side of the spectrum. How they could " host" this fellow without first explaining what his ideology is, to be fair to viewers that do not know better!!?

[@theunknown1426]

regulate our country' for the benefit of the RICH

[@Jiphoune]

He says: we want to regulate our country. But he also denies the same right to the EU, who should not regulate access of goods from third party countries (which the UK now is).

[@dasmaurerle4347]

Well, he's correct, technically. Of course it's the EU that prevents the UK selling stuff to the EU. It's our rules. But they haven't changed. What has changed is the status of the UK...its not that hard to understand, is it?

[@korolev-musictodriveby6583]

Apparently , it is !

[@dasmaurerle4347]

@@korolev-musictodriveby6583 it's so exhausting to argue with ignorant raciscts, innit?

[@dasmaurerle4347]

@@notreallyhere67 of course they have. But history is handled a bit differently in Europes Cuba...according to the fine gentlemen in London, India is looking back in love to the brutal oppression.

[@cb7234]

@@notreallyhere67 Obviously, they voted for these rules without reading the documents first. With the English MPs low attendance, they didn't participate.

[@cb7234]

@@notreallyhere67 Absolutely, they weren't paid enough.

[@gdwnet]

How can brexiteers blame the EU? We were told - the UK holds all the cards, we can have any deal we wanted and they knew what they voted for. Brexiteers - please explain how the EU is to blame here?

[@shaunclubberlang2887]

Easy. people believe what they want to believe. All they are doing is crafting a narrative to allow their slow witted supporters to continue to believe in Brexit.

[@robertharrison1058]

All they will say is just because it is.

[@joansparky4439]

Someone wrote this on KZbin couple of months ago.. Fascism uses this 'Wechselbad der Gefuehle' all the time. One one side they are powerful and no one can withstand them and in the next moment they are the victim and can't win. Must be some sort of cult/distraction tactic to keep the supporters engaged.

[@Jiphoune]

Populism has always been based on having a scapegoat. For some it is the Jews, for others it's the Muslims or the Christians, for yet others it is the American imperialists, or just "foreigners". For Brexiteers, it is the EU. The EU will always be to blame for everything, even for the failure of brexit after the UK has "taken back control".

[@Pikkabuu]

Easy. UK is such a great country that every other country should bow to it and treat it preferentially.

[@markosullivan4095]

the BBC used to be such a trusted source. Nowadays I wouldn't believe the time of day from them.

[@declankeegan5311]

Sad but true.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

It did? You do know why George Orwell wrote 1984?

[@davesy6969]

The current head of the BBC is a major tory donor and worked at the telegraph. www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/07/richard-sharp-bbc-chair-may-be-a-tory-donor-but-it-could-be-far-worse

[@JeanPierre-jb5ln]

The BBC is undergoing a UkipperTory take over what do you expect?

[@Henrik_Holst]

@@fergusdenoon1255 Yes, because of his experience fighting in the Spanish civil war, had zero to do with the BBC.

[@WATTSROBIN]

I have to laugh when they talk about Britain's "Global Position". Britain's global position is at the arse end of Europe.

[@taffyman6089]

Soon it will be some way up it.

[@1inchPunchBowl]

@@onlyme8117 We have left though. No one told you?

[@ahorsewithnoname643]

I wouldn't say the arse end of Europe. More like what comes out of the arse end 💩.

[@derekmulready1523]

@@onlyme8117 WHO

[@vullings1968]

@@onlyme8117 Yup, like Hotel California... You can check out anytime you want, but you just can't leave... Now think about why that could be....

[@gpan62]

I'm tired of listening to brexiteers and I'm not even British nor live in Britain. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for people who voted to remain. Brexiteer lies continue.

[@keithkraine475]

If as you say you do not live in UK, I can only assure you that living here and listening to the constant denial, lying and whinging of Brexiteers has changed our society for ever, for the worse.

[@Whizzy-jx3qe]

@@keithkraine475 I live in N Ireland and I’m fed up listening to unionists especially the dup & tuv yapping about the protocol and there unfounded allegation that it threatens the Union when in actual fact it doesn’t.

[@robbiegrant4977]

Brexit wont 'be done' for a decade or more. It will cause untold damage

[@robbiegrant4977]

@Daniel Thompson the prediction has already come true. You wouldn't notice, your head is planted firmly up your fundament in denial. Takes a real man to admit you made a mistake. Maybe you will become a real man someday.? Maybe not.

[@mattpotter8725]

37% of the electorate at the time voted to leave, which it it had been a legally binding referendum wouldn't have reached the threshold to leave, it will be less now with more older people having died and younger Brits being more pro EU. It was more than the 33% that voted to remain so that couldn't just be dismissed, 30% either didn't know which way to vote or didn't care. This is what saddens me the most. It wasn't just not the will of the majority of the people it was barely over a third. There will be a reckoning when it becomes clear what has been done and eventually we will re-engage with Europe on much more friendly terms unlike now.

[@jonathanwetherell3609]

Of course it's the EU's fault, it has to be! The UK just asked for their cake AND to eat it. Not unreasonable. All the benefits of membership without any restrictions. The EU said "No" But we are British! How dare they! Back in the real world ................

[@shazbotic]

Surely if you ask for cake you want to eat it? Nomnomnomnom.

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

If you dont pay your membership fee then you aren't in the club.

[@mandarina4157]

Best comment. So simple, but explains it the best.

[@nigelmurphy6761]

exactly. and you can't either influence or help change the club if you're not in the club.

[@swangelok]

Exactly, you might be allowed to use the facilities, with limitations, you will have to follow all the rules but have no say in them, they might allow you in the restaurant but you cannot bring any friends, you will have to settle the bill immediately and will not get any discounts, your bookings will be at the bottom of the list and only granted if there are no clashes with any member requests. All of these could be modified or withdrawn at any time without notice and with prejudice

[@MetalRocksMe.]

Now we have to follow the rules and have no influence in how they’re made or shaped. Good ol Brexit eh! 👍👎

[@Charlie_Crown]

@Daniel Thompson what don't you understand about third country status? ..you are no longer a member, you no longer pay membership fees, you no longer benefit. As for protective racket, the EU is stronger together, as a union, and has rules and regulations to maintain a level playing field amongst fellow members, and you have already stated you are diverting from EU standards by allowing Australia a free for all in the UK market, so good luck with that

[@errorswillmultiply1697]

Brexiters: Brexit means Brexit! EU: Ok, then. Brexiters: WHAT?!!

[@billymac4242]

Shows once again how independent the BBC isn't.

[@Charlie_Crown]

I'd certainly accept people like that given airtime so long as there was the counterbalance of an expert present to shred to pieces every 'benefit'' eluded to here, or vice versa, however unlikely that would be. The fact that there is no longer any counterbalance makes the BBC about as relevant as Faux News in America, not relevant at all, just a propaganda network for right-wing think tanks, bankrolled by public funds, R.I.P BBC

[@merkvandermeulen3978]

BBC has turned its standing from an internationally respected broadcaster into a leveled down edition of Readers Digest, where you have to seriously scroll down or click further down the basement to find the juicy stuff. Nevertheless, they keep showing their slogan "More people in more places trust BBC News than any other news source", but I need to open an account to find out why, instead of splashing their findings all over the home page? Strange.

[@johnjeanb]

Simple, the BBC is threatened on a daily basis to lose its funding source (coming out of a long gone period and very undemocratic : Licence fees you must pay even if you don't use the service). So the BBC is not any better than Murdoch's newspaper. They cannot bite the hand which feeds them.

[@Charlie_Crown]

@@johnjeanb The BBC wasn't always like this, only in recent years, especially now with a Tory donor at the helm, and although I agree, to an extent, about the licence fee, it once represented genuine value for that fee. But BBC in its present form, certainly under big Tory donor Richard Sharp, I don't want to be forced to pay for a propaganda network against my will, especially when I could be fined for seeking out more balanced views on other platforms, by virtue of refusing to pay for said BBC propaganda, so most definitely undemocratic in its current form. If it ever reverts back, balanced, i'm ok with the fee though 👍

[@johnjeanb]

@@Charlie_Crown I totally agree with you. I am French and we have a similar situation in France (forced to support a "state" channel whether I like it or not. We went from an era of state radio and TV to an era of independent business entities funded by adverts. There is no room for an in between status (receiving funds from the state and adverts). Also there must be a free entity to verify the truth, impartiality and authenticity of messages & sendings

[@Mugdorna]

“The EU is imposing these harsh rules upon the UK”.......you mean the same rules that Norway and Switzerland are happy to abide by for access to the Single Market? And those same rules that nations around the World are happy to follow in order to trade with the EU.

[@swangelok]

yes they are, and you know why? because they can...

[@Divedown_25]

I hold Norway and Switzerland a bit more logical... but then they were never out colonizing territories. Looks like UK want to go back to jolly good ol’ days

[@ThW5]

@@Divedown_25 Which ones? The Days they had a Dutch king? Or a French one? Or the days of "My little armalite"? Or the days that Wales was not part of a kingdom?

[@dnocturn84]

I think you're mixing something up here. The UK is not in the same position / doesn't have the same relationship with the EU as Norway or Switzerland. Norway is part / member of the EEA, another kind of union that is focused on trade solely, that is linked to the EU and gives them access to the single market. They accept the three freedoms and align with EU standards, rules and regulations. The UK refused to enter the EEA after Brexit (even though they were a founding member back in the day), main reason was, that the UK didn't want to accept the three freedoms and doesn't want to be "ruled" by EU standards, rules and regulations. Switzerland currently has the same status as Norway does, but it is not a member of the EEA either. They've achieved this by a ton of different agreements with the EU. This status is about to change slowly into a similar position as the UK currently has (or even worse, but it will propably take way more than a decade for them to get there), because Switzerland refused to accept a new agreement, that was meant to unite all of those hundreds of agreements into one and finally accepting the three freedoms, which was the reason they refused in the end. The UK doesn't have that close of a relationship with the EU right now. They have chosen to become an independent country with third country status, but added the TCA (trade and cooperation agreement) to avoid some of the most annoying trade barriers (no tariffs), but all non-tariff trade barriers are still there, due to them insisting on different standards in the UK. All countries with third country status abide to those rules when trading with the EU (like for example the USA, Russia, China), but not Norway nor Switzerland, because they currently don't have third country status.

[@flitsertheo]

@@Divedown_25 Don't know about the Norwegians though, once upon a time they were Vikings who besides trading indulged in some invading too. As for the Swiss they don't have to move to conquer, the whole world sits in their banks already.

[@tom_curtis]

Didn't you know. "Brexit" means, all of the advantages of EU membership, with none of the obligations. Surely you can see that Britain has the right, as a sovereign nation, to impose those conditions on the EU by a democratic vote of the British people. /sarc

[@roderickmain9697]

I am pretty sure that a lot of the rhetoric from Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Farage et al has exactly that thinking behind it. "We hold all the cards"

[@ThW5]

@@roderickmain9697 Did he get them from the Harry Potter-variant Uno set?

[@jurgenporn1867]

@PatchesRips They tried to convince everybody to play 'London hold'em'. The rules are easy 1. London is right and wins. 2. In case it doesn't work out rule 1. is to be applied. (Being the leader of the EU and as such freed of all regulations) Rude awakening so far.

[@frankclarke421]

Yep, and mostly the older generation that were born during the last days of empire or when it was still a recent memory. It's an empirial mindset. Empire by definition is the denial of sovereignty and national expectations of all except the principle nation. Always laugh at English claims to be the home modern human rights. Yes for themselves but denied it to many others when in charge.

[@peadarocolmain4850]

Well Tom you have to accept that in 1921 the London Government decided quite democratically to put a border across Ireland. I wonder how they'd feel if the French government voted to draw a border across England? You may indeed start whining that nobody in Ireland was allowed to vote on the issue but we've heard all that bigoted IRA propaganda before.

[@Franglais91]

Get stuck in their ways? A Business spends decades building up it's customer base and then is told by the Government "Well no you can't sell to these people any more you'll have to find some new customers". Madness

[@jantaylor7102]

OMG these people are unf cking believable

[@jamescoughlan8193]

They want slaves with no protection or benifits basicly

[@jantaylor7102]

@@jamescoughlan8193 they will be happy for more pensioners and other people in receipt of benefits to die

[@jamescoughlan8193]

@@jantaylor7102 ah no they want them sick so they can make a fortune once they abolish the NHS and the wealthy shareholders like him make more in private medical care.

[@jantaylor7102]

@@jamescoughlan8193 yes the UK is well and truly f cked 😠

[@jurgenporn1867]

@@jamescoughlan8193 Even the romans had to take care for their slaves, which lead many 'free' people to choose slavery over freedom. See the similarities?

[@Doso777]

UK: We want to be a third country EU: Okay, here you go UK: How dare you!

[@leadroleeventslondon7938]

Brexit was an IQ test and 17.4million people failed.

[@leftrightandcentre833]

Perfect summary.

[@robertharrison1058]

15 million of them from England

[@douglasmacari8707]

@@robertharrison1058 Still a relatively small minority.

[@smorris12]

Half of any population has an IQ of less than 100

[@mots7977]

17.4 million people had the same IQ as the pencil they used to mark an X against the Leave box. What a shame

[@ybkseraph]

It is very well known that when you stop paying you membership fee to the golf club, it is the fault of the golf club owner if they don’t let you have access to the facilities. British entitlement at its best

[@jasonk7072]

Imagine being on the board of the golf club, able to set the agenda, propose rules, influence decisions, but instead of doing that you just moan and complain all the time. Then you storm out of the golf club, shouting at everyone, calling them names and grabbing all the stuff you claim to be yours on the way out before slamming the door declaring the golf club to be stupid and smelly. You cancel your membership direct debit, stop paying the lottery consortium and refuse to settle your bar tab. Then you turn up a few days later wanting to play a round only to find the golf club won’t let you in. So you hang around the car park telling everyone how horrible the golf club is being. British Entitlement has come on a lot in the last 5 years.

[@panzerkami2381]

I'm totally with that guy, I feel exactly the same. For example, I quit my gym membership and since then they have completely changed how they are treating me! They won't let me use the exercise equipment, or the jacuzzi or the sauna, and they won't even let me in anymore! I've had it with being bullied by my gym!

[@GreyMASTA]

This guy's face screams "I'm so full of sh*t but hey at least I get paid for this!!!"

[@grahamsmith2022]

Have you not noticed this in every member of the government?,particularly Liz "any deal will do" Truss,they are full to the brim with sh@t.

[@fosterffoster5092]

Leavers, you won. Get over it!

[@robertharrison1058]

Funny how its those that won that are bicthing about what they voted for.

[@zen-Tii]

🤣

[@waynenewark5363]

The new markets that the companies featured moved to were already available when we were part of the EU.

[@beowulf1312]

Yes, exactly. Were they not there before we left the EU ? Hong Kong and Indonesia etc couldn't be found to trade with before ? Australia was missing ? It's just the freedom to make bilateral trade deals with these places was not there. Now, you have the freedom, the few deals in the offing are crap? Good move that.

[@stephenmorton2890]

How dare the EU treat us like we are no longer members of the EU!

[@gingin21jr]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@maureengladwell1317]

Haha idiot to think that

[@theunknown1426]

BBC’s BOSS is a tory supporter, he donated £400, 000 to tory party

[@debugstore]

That huge conflict of interest needs to be called out.

[@angeloterribili3525]

How did he make his money he,s a moron

[@erict.watson2460]

Have you got the cart before the horse there? Was the position conferred before or after political affiliations were made clear?

[@TheEvertw]

That is why he got the job...

[@theunknown1426]

@@angeloterribili3525 EASY divert BBC's licence fee (public's tv money) to his personal account then donate it to the tory party (then it looks like it's come from his personal account, I'm sure his dodgy account helped with the details and who's going to investigate if he has done that???? one way or another they are all ways robbing the average man, all their riches are due to robbing the public (I doubt very much if any of them have even got a single penny of honest earned money)

[@ulicadluga]

I've always said that Brexit is like moving out of your house and living in the gutter, because you didn't like the wallpaper!

[@Doom1981]

Being a member of the EU has some benefits and some downsides and it’s getting really boring to see all this Brexiters who behave as if Brexit would have meant to keep all the benefits and get rid of the downsides. Why on earth should the EU do this, why should the EU Continue to provide all the benefits of membership and absorb the downsides?

[@misterbacon4933]

Because they are British so of course they deserve to get the benefits and not the downsides!

[@MultiLimpet]

Undercutting the eu from the outside seems to have been the brexiteers plan. Their best chance for this is northern ireland.

[@Doom1981]

@@MultiLimpet and the EU will not accept another Singapur at the Temse, a country that undercuts the EU in workers rights, financial regulation, food safety, taxes and so on. If the UK tries this, the situation may become really bad and the EU could put sanctions on the UK. But this would probably help some Brexiters since it would proof the EU is evil.

[@allangibson2408]

@@Doom1981 Actually Singapore does none of these things - and actually has equivalent pay rates to Europe. North Korea on the Thames would be closer…

[@Jiphoune]

Because they are convinced that Britain and the British are some kind of superior race that still rules the world. This arrogance is just unbelievable.

[@devroombagchus7460]

I am convinced that it never occurred to many English that after having left, they would be treated like all other third countries. After all, it’s ENGLAND, not the riff-raff. So in a sense, I can follow their absurd reasoning.

[@Iyerbeth]

Very much agree with this. I think it was someone in one of Max's comment sections that once wrote the people pushing this rubbish were expecting to change from a 1 of 28 partner, to a 1 of 2 partner, and that really stuck with me.

[@T0MT0Mmmmy]

@@Iyerbeth That's a really good analogy (from 1 of 27 to 1 of 2). They thought UK became an equal partner to the EU, with free trade. But ... shit ... the countries in the EU are more equal.

[@lvoldum]

Likewise, it has obviously never occurred to the English ministers having taken part in making EU third country rules, that after leaving the rules would apply to the UK/GB. "Third country? Don't you know who we think we are?"

[@clivemortimore8203]

Of course it is the EU's fault applying the rules we helped write when we were members.

[@brkr78]

It's quite simple, actually - GB is treated like a 3rd country because ... well ... it is!

[@eugenieponleve667]

Love it !!!

[@swangelok]

you see, brexit was never meant to be like this. In their delusions, brexiteers imagined a future whether the EU either collapsed and disintegrated, allowing the UK to pick up the pieces or if not, the UK could use the old "divide and conquer" to obtain whatever concessions they wished. Worse case scenario, the damage would be limited to "other people", preferably foreigners

[@martinbyrne6643]

They have there shite now 😀

[@derekmab7734]

They do not want the EU regulations nor EU citizens in the UK but want to keep ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the EU benefits. How nasty, hypocrites and selfish they are!!!

[@fannysquelch]

By economy he means looking after small minority of very rich people

[@popelgruner595]

Yay! Minority rights! Protect them.🤣🛡️⚔️💎💍👑👛💵💴💷💰💳

[@ahorsewithnoname643]

That is what made Britain great. A few wealthy people doing all the conquering and stealing land plus making all the goods to sell around the world. They must have been helluva busy seeing the poor majority were slacking off doing nothing.

[@erict.watson2460]

@@ahorsewithnoname643 were they not the ones doing the 'boots on the ground' conquering?

[@alexiskiri9693]

@@ahorsewithnoname643 the "poor slackers" were working like slaves for pennies in their factories and mines producing all the goods they sold to make themselves wealthy. Brexiteers are bringing the old ways back. Rule Britaina. (Sings Bojo as he sails in is yatcht/battleship.)

[@EMidMSO]

These Brexit Think Tank pundits always sounded implausible. Now they sound desperate & implausible. If they must have them on, the BBC could inform viewers in the intro about the organisations they belong to

[@erict.watson2460]

And, most importantly, what they advocate.

[@erict.watson2460]

@@Noises possibly, but certainly their bias, which will probably provide a fairly large clue ...

[@peterzapp2091]

He expected the EU to bend over backwards and to ennoble Britain as honorary EU member with all privileges and without any obligations.

[@tomdoodey4136]

What the fuck Downing st smokes

[@KamenKunchev]

I live in EU and nothing has changed for me since the UK referendum. There have been absolutely zero consequences. Nothing has changed at my workplace and home. It's the same for the majority of EU citizens, even though brexiteers would have wanted it another way. Brexiteers really thought the ship would sink without them when it was just losing dead weight. Bon voyage, UK!

[@pieterpopster5549]

I really don't mind if you call it "Fool Of The Week" everyday.

[@Eurodave.]

I think, "tool" of the week may be more appropriate in this fellow's case...

[@keevee09]

You get what you deserve not what you feel entitled to. Wake up. The Empire is gone Brexiteers.

[@olmostgudinaf8100]

Most of the world's problems come from people being convinced that the world owes them something.

[@annedunne4526]

Is he actually saying that voting to leave the EU means the UK is not in the EU?

[@dfuher968]

Who wouldve thought....

[@halps2002]

Why does the BBC never report on EU spending in the UK over the years, it's not like it was always one way!

[@atomiccritter6492]

Because it a govt mouthhpiece

[@halps2002]

@@philipstearn4743 No I wouldn't moan about EU spending money in UK. I'm no quitter and not sure what you mean?

[@philipstearn4743]

@@halps2002 misread your comment. My apologies.

[@halps2002]

@@philipstearn4743 👍

[@coconuts2361]

Was this guy just left alone with an open BBC mike live or was there some kind of journalist to ask him what TF he was talking about?

[@ulfpe]

Naturally the EU can decide what is sold on their market as they are self governing not governed by the UK

[@sigiriya5149]

The UK failed to govern the EU while being a member and now it fails while it is out. The 27 sovereign member states are simply too stupid to see and accept British exceptionalism

[@thomasjamison2050]

When your bread falls on the carpet, and your bread is buttered on the face down side, then obviously it is the fault of the carpet. How could this thinking be any simpler?

[@erict.watson2460]

Ah but when there's no butter left it won't matter ... Will it?

[@iandennis7836]

Well then we'll be eating scrape.....what be scrape I hear you ask? Well, scrape be when you scrape a tiny bit o' butter on a piece of bread, scrape the butter off......and then eat the bread. (Thanks to Terry Pratchett ).

[@Jiphoune]

I strongly disaggree. Obviously it is the butter's fault beause it picked the wrong side of the bread to spread... or the bread's fault because it landed on the wrong side.

[@thomasjamison2050]

@@Jiphoune Oh, please...... Clearly it is the fault of the butter because it makes the buttered side of the bread heavier, hence it goes down first. This is reason one needs to put jelly on over the butter, so that one can scrape off the jelly without disturbing the butter.

[@markh7288]

When you leave the club stop expecting to be allowed the privileges of club membership.

[@apkk5594]

He does appear to be a bit of a nutter. He campaigned for a hard brexit and then complains that the EU treats Great Britain like a 3rd country. Perhaps what he really means is that he wants the EU to treat GB like a 4th or 5th country instead.

[@dfuher968]

Yeah, what Im hearing, is that he wants full 3rd country status, no more of this EU being reasonable and granting extentions and special deals etc, just the door shut in his face making his nose bleed.

[@ToothbrushMan]

Man throws himself out of airlock is shocked there is no air in space. Blames life support system back in the spaceship.

[@TheBlackadder-Edmund]

Love it, very accurate :)

[@peterzapp2091]

Ask a fair dodger, a thief, a rapist, it's always the victims', the police's, the judiciary's, his accomplice's or his bad childhood's fault.

[@repelsteeltje90]

I think “right wing think tank” is way too kind. I consider them a fascist think tank.

[@kennethatkins9250]

I saw this on Panorama , The guy is deluded . We would never be getting all that we wanted once we left the club ! Britannia does not rule the world or should I say Europe . England is a country along with all the "other" countries we deal with each one. We are no longer "in" Europe

[@debugstore]

I got the impression that this guy has an economics expert too. He is clearly not and has a strong political agenda. The editors at the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. It has further lowered my respect for the BBC.

[@martynjones8560]

The IEA sound more like a septic tank than a think tank.

[@franciscouderq1100]

Stands for” International Elite Association”

[@jackpayne4658]

When you join, you get a free copy of 'Britannia Unchained'.

[@janrautenstrauch4729]

Well, they seem to be full of sh*t, so it's understandable.

[@ericvanhaeren9449]

Independent economist = unemployed, or, to put it more positively, self-employed.

[@YourXavier]

Or worse: "I'm being paid by someone, but I'm an "independent" consultant, so I don't need to disclose whose agenda I'm pushing."

[@Earhairy]

"Independent economist = unemployed, or, to put it more positively, self-employed." Looking at it objectively, he has no skills or talents that are of any discernible benefit to anyone.

[@G_C340]

Subsisting on charity, like he is starving in Ethiopia or something.

[@dfuher968]

@@Earhairy He certainly isnt putting his economics degree to any use, if he even has one, pure blind ideology.

[@PeteJosephs]

I was dumfounded to hear the guy say that Brexit difficulties were a good thing because companies would have to rethink their business model and get with the times. It's unbelievable that the BBC gave him an inordinate amount of air time in the program to spout his perverted views.

[@bogumibogda3299]

Clearly he's never run a business himself. The key word to any possibilities is 'gradually'.

[@Disco45]

The arrogance of his statement. It's like telling me " I don't like the job your doing great in , so I'm going to vote for company's to close, so you can maybe , possibly, hopefully give yourself a challenge and make a living with opportunities that don't exist yet"🤔🙄

[@dfuher968]

If I told my clients just half of the bs, hes spouting, they would be looking for a new accountant post haste.

[@edmundwest5636]

Well he's quite right you know. A lot of companies will have to rethink their business model and move to the continent, so its probably quite good for a lot of EU people. Life is all a matter of perspective. If you are a globally diversified tax avoiding

[@peterparker219]

The five stages of grief also apply for brexit. They are: Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Unfortunately we're still in between denial and anger and I fear it will take a long time until they accept it to be disastrous.

[@frankieseward8667]

I give it 4 years.

[@bettyswallocks6411]

Some of the rhetoric Jessop used is the kind of language that a cult leadership use.

[@audreymcgready2031]

Awe Max i know it's wrong but he is making me laugh here.🤣🤣🤣 He's another toerag 🤡👍

[@robinparker8662]

The UK would be better off in the EU with an input to the regulations as a Sovereign Nation, instead of other nations dictating the regulations we have stick to.

[@lindachamuel5098]

Brexit means Brexit! That's what they said!

[@Michael-wn4jj]

I got the impression torries blamed EU for everything that run bad in their country. Looks like brexittears are saving that good tradition.

[@Dreyno]

I think what’s really punctured Britain’s image is the fact that so many people in Europe can now understand the English language. In the past, only Ireland could hear the utter bollocks that came out of their mouths. Ireland would stand there, looking around to see if anyone else heard whatever stupid sh1t it just said and nobody ever did. Well, now they do. And their disappointment is immeasurable and their day is ruined.

[@jamesmiller9363]

The uk isnt a country for starters it's a union of countries. Also brexit is the reason the uk isn't a third "country" England decided the fate of their fantasy "empire" that made the uk the way it is now and is the reason its falling apart.

[@adeleellie6]

The death throes of a fading Union.

[@paulwilson2651]

The quicker it falls apart the better! soar alba!

[@nadtz]

It's both a country and a union of countries as strange as that is.

[@Believe-you-me-]

@@adeleellie6 A union the Scots voted to remain in for a lifetime.

[@lesliemackay7853]

@@Believe-you-me- Please direct Me to the legally binding documentation that states lifetime, or any other timescale.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Before Brexit: We want to export but the E.U won't let us. After Brexit: We want to export but the E.U won't let us.

[@korolev-musictodriveby6583]

I thought ‘regulate’ was a dirty word .

[@jyvben1520]

and expert ...

[@userofthetube2701]

It's just code for deregulation.

[@willc1294]

Regulators...We're damm good too. But you can't be any geek off the street. You gotta be handy with the steel if you know what I mean. Earn your keep..

[@femazik]

this is typical brexiteers' approach: we are in the centre of the universe as being English. we should be treated as lords and we will do as we please without any consequences to us....

[@Jiphoune]

Agree. Especially on your choice of "English" and not "British". Who cares of what the Scots, the Northern Irish or the Welsh think?

[@femazik]

@@Jiphoune it was done on purpose... I cannot remember anybody caring about Irish...

[@vladimirputin4822]

They're just thick I think.

[@domenicodevivo5318]

Or liars. So they can decide which they want to be

[@plerpplerp5599]

"It’s different negotiating as a member state than as a 3rd party... One of the problems with that process was that we hadn't fully internalised that difference" David Frost, Brexit negotiator

[@jurgensplurgen8972]

"Shellfish with a very short self-life".👏👏👏

[@robtyman4281]

....I believe they're known as 'shelf fish'. The only shellfish people are those who voted Brexit, and landed us all in this carp....sorry, crap

[@peterebel7899]

War a selfish shell fish!

[@ausbrum]

News is that 250 English language satellite providers have moved into the UK in order to comply with EU media and broadcasting conditions. Also, City AM reports that one of the biggest venture capital providers has moved into London with the aim of using Brexit and COVID and a low pound to make major take over bids in the UK (Morrison's was the first).One way of Brexit "shaking up business...."

[@fuckfannyfiddlefart]

They never have left wing economists or platform non market solutions!

[@seybertooth9282]

"Independent economists" are independent in the same way that "free thinkers" on the internet are thinkers.

[@TheSynthnut]

The BBC is one of the reasons we are in this mess. Their mandate for political balance has given weight to the misnomer of opinion being balance to fact. They platformed Farage on an almost daily basis. Opinion is now untouchable, yet facts are dismissible it seems.

[@Nikioko]

Oh no! We quit and they have the audacity not to grant us our benefits any more!

[@davidpearn2484]

Now repeat after me Julian, I've been a silly Billy 😜.

[@MonsieurBrideau]

What happened to 'we hold all the cards, they need us more than we need them'? What happened to SOVRUNTEEEE!!!! FFS!

[@auritone]

The fact that you can leave a club and then be stunned when you are told you are no longer allowed to use that clubs facilities is just mindnumbingly arrogant. I love England, but damn….

[@philipberggren1823]

And yet again people show they voted for Brexit but are still clueless about the consequences.

[@m8k1shaiz8]

Independent Economist and Brexit Optimist? I assume that means Clueless Economist.

[@dfuher968]

As some1 with an economics degree and 25 years as an accountant Im disgusted by these selfproclaimed "independent economists". It doesnt even matter, if they have an economics degree or not, coz they are pure political ideologs, who work in a fantasy realm, not with real life facts and numbers. And any "economist", who argue in favor of Brexit on an economic basis, should have his/her degree revoked, coz they either completely fail as economists, or they deliberately disregard it.

[@kangaroo1888]

Bbc is now in fear of losing it license fee ,it's Board is now "fitted up".

[@Eurodave.]

The Director General & the Chairman both tory/brexit loving stooges...I am surprised they haven't changed the name of Broadcasting House to Tory House by now, It would be more accurate.!

[@sarowie]

The word "independent" means "undisclosed funding, due to potential conflict of interest". Try that substitution and wonder how often it works. If some people say "but I am an independent ....", it is still " undisclosed funding" until disclosed.

[@patchso]

Thank you so much Max, for all of your hard work, exposing scam artists who target the British people. I've tried doing a bit of this research myself, and yes it's quite possible to do, but it does involve time and energy! These people are paid liars, and, like you say, it is disgusting that they are given a platform.

[@syriuszb8611]

I heard that this Elon guy is going to open opportunities to export to Mars! Think about those possibilities!

[@stevebinning977]

Have they discovered life forms on Mars that want to do a trade deal? Get Liz Truss on the next rocket and tell her not to hurry back.

[@youlcee3793]

Universal Britain

[@stephenhodgson3506]

While the UK was a member of the EU we had obtained a number of exemptions that allowed us to trade below EU standards. For example shellfish waters under EU regulations have to be of a certain standard, the UK had an exemption that allowed us to keep selling our shellfish providing we had plans in place to improve the standards of those waters. Once we left that exemption went and until we achieve the water quality standard our shellfish will not meet the required standards. There are many of these exemptions that have now gone and will be gone for good because if we decide that at some point we wish to re-join the EU we will have to meet their standards first. Brexiteers are like somebody who resigns from his local golf club because he doesn't like the way it is run and that the membership fees are to high. But then when he turns up to play discovers that not only does he have to join a queue but also has to pay higher green fees for the privilege of playing there. While waiting for a tee time he then goes to the clubhouse for a drink and discovers they won't let him in. He then stands in the car park complaining the golf club is been totally unreasonable and unfair and that it is all their fault. It's hardly surprising however as they were told that they could have their cake and eat it, some even said they could have a cherry on top. Sadly they believed the lies and they are not willing to face the consequences. As for trading with other countries outside of the EU there was a documentary on BBC's the Money Program well before the promise of a referendum was even made. The program was discussing why Germany and France were able to trade with China but that the UK struggled so much. A senior Chinese official was interviewed and asked that question. He replied "there is very, very little that the UK produces that we can't make ourselves cheaper, or can't buy elsewhere of better quality and/or cheaper." Trade deals do not mean trade and to trade you have to have something that is better or cheaper than your competitors. In the vast majority of cases that does not apply to UK products. To have better quality or more innovated products than others you have to invest heavily into Research and Development and the government have already said that the amount available will be limited.

[@thruknobulaxii2020]

You couldn’t even _knock_ the truth into them with a bat.

[@palimac]

These type of people belong in one place, and one place only: Broadmoor.

[@ballyshannongirl]

3rd country now and you have the opportunity to become a 3rd world country.

[@dfuher968]

Yeah, see? They still have room to evolve, if they really set their minds to it! 🤪

[@childoftheuniverse2644]

The wonders of Brexshit or a never ending story! 😳🤪🤣

[@hihosilverlining9081]

Really the BBC is to blame giving this creature a platform.

[@angussoutter7824]

The time has arrived for Scotland to say bye bye UK

[@paulmcgroggan7749]

I left the tennis club can't understand Why they wont let me use the showers or play in the club even drink at the bar spend my time with my nose pressed to the glass looking in at my friend's have a great time they keep laughing at me dont know why

[@namesurname2958]

Brexit: never before has a country tried so hard to harm itself.

[@ethersurfing4025]

Truly frightening!

[@ndenyer]

You can see in his eyes he knows he is totally wrong.

[@briannewton1926]

Max, Everything you say is indisputable … perhaps your MP will invite you to submit a few questions for Labour to use in PMQs.

[@cliffhughes6010]

PMQs should be scrapped. What is the point of it any more?

[@derekmulready1523]

He is Irish and an EU Citizen living in Italy legally. Maybe you can ask your MEP to ask the Questions on your behalf. Irish and EU Citizen 🇮🇪🇪🇺❎😁

[@merkvandermeulen3978]

@@derekmulready1523 Looks like Brian is no longer represented over there, is he? UK's incumbent ambassador Lindsay Redvers Mark Seymour Croisdale-Appleby hasn't been installed yet, but he surely will be thrilled to answer any question Brian might have..

[@Aldo_Regozzani]

More of the same old, same old, same old, ... It's Time for Doctor Who to save the UK from Time-looping again and again and again.... Aren't the citizens EVER getting tired of the Brexiteer Bullshit? EVER? I am following Brexit for a good year very intensive and my ears are starting to develop blisters and begin bleeding. :)

[@clivecosta-correa2102]

The BBC is running sh!t scared that the Tories have the Corporation in their crosshairs. As a result they’ve surrendered all editorial integrity and responsibility.

[@garrytuohy9267]

The only reason I can see for having people like this on the BBC would be to expose their nonsense for what it is. Unfortunately the BBC doesn't seem to be doing this.

[@jasoncooper9391]

Tories screwing the very people who voted for them 😀brilliant