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[@BEBETTERGOLF]

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[@js_golf_cours6217]

Brian is as passionate than he's good! More Brian please 😀🏌️‍♂️🏌️‍♂️🙏

[@GaleRauschenberger]

Yup. That was me when I was square to square. I hurt my back and shot in the 80s all the time. I have been following Malaska for the last year and I just parred my course three times in the last 10 days. I'm 73, I've been shot in both legs and I have stenosis in my back and arthritus in my thumbs. You don't need to try and be a beast out there. You need to relax and allow the club to release with a grip that emulates the way your hands hang. Then, just swing the club head ala. Ernest Jones. I hit every fairway the last time I played the course at home. I am not John Rahm. I am who I am and I need to forget all the technical mumbo jumbo that does not work for me.

[@MatthewHokie]

In that opening, Brian must have been talking about the Senior Net Club Champion. I almost watched the whole vid for a laugh, but I can't get that 19 minutes back.

[@Ericksonbellgolf]

I love this guy. So many people are teaching as if everyone is a 25 year old athelete

[@cwmcclintock5757]

I have been a Golfing Machine student and mentor for over 20 years of my 59 years of golf. This, since I worked with Lynn Blake and Ted Forte for a week down in Georgia. At that time I became acutely aware there were ideological differences in the understanding of the Golfing Machine by its highest "apostles". Granted, Manzella has all of the look and sound of a TGM aficionado. But during the years of his insatiable ego and rapid fire self-promotion there is noone who has done more for the obfuscation, misunderstanding, and down right wrong understanding of TGM. He basically cherrypicks Homer Kelley's knowledge for his narcissistic needs and selfpromotion while being offensive in manner. He is an authoritarian and considers himself 100% right. Just question him on the basic physics of his teaching and he freaks. His damage to any general acceptance of TGM has been palpable and painful to watch.

[@whenmullet2674]

Then don't watch... do us all a favor.

[@jakeson1120]

He mentions needing speed for shaft lean. I get it.

[@jakeson1120]

His ego is wild.

[@edchapman5801]

Just because he mentions Homer Kelly, Ben Doyle and Lynn Blake, it doesn't mean he's pushing their product. I met a guy like you in the air force who was so wrapped up in TGM he was literally paralyzed, couldn't play the game, just beat balls on the driving range. It was like he was trying to find a Ben Hogan swing, but he'd get so frustrated it was painful to watch. He even had the book on a special stand so he could refer to the positions more easily. I guess he thought the Sam Snead approach was for fools.

[@swisstrader]

I also went to both Lynn Blake and Mazzella for a series of lessons and you are spot on with your views. Learned close to nothing after 3 days of lessons….lots of talking and speaks in hieroglyphics. My head was literally spinning after each session. Lynn Blake on the other hand was very hands on and taught me a lot about my own golf swing.

[@miked1365]

Lag is the enemy of speed. Mike Austin was correct when he said he is releasing the club as soon as possible. Throwing the club head at the ball. A good instructor takes your swing and shapes it to help you play. Recently I saw a video asking how fast do you think long drivers hands are moving when the club head is moving 140-150 mph? It was 25-30 mph.

[@careerconversations9275]

I'm sure he knows more about the swing than I ever hope to know - but, he's far from an effective communicator - he talks a lot, but doesn't say much?

[@rteach1]

Very impressed by your world tour of instructors. You can stop searching now: Brian is the best. I have taken many lessons from him over the years, and can verify that nobody knows the science of the swing any better, *and* how to teach it in plain English. The ideal combination. Thank you for this video.

[@mikeyt3516]

Nobody? Is that so? Nobody else? I suppose that must mean you've researched and personally experienced every other instructor on planet Earth in with an entirely critical scientific methodology. Well, I feel very fortunate to have stumbled across such a qualified assertion on the internet. Please. You rate the guy because he helped you. Which is fine.

[@maeu59]

@@mikeyt3516you’re so right, it’s like everyone thinks their grandmother is the best cook.

[@PotatoGunCamper]

The B-Man has been my favorite instructor for 20 years!!!

[@davecohn6407]

An open clubface is a major problem for many golfers , not because the clubface is open per se, but due to the compensations in the swing that are required to square the clubface . That is why it is so vital to make a takeaway / early backswing in which the clubface is not open or even slightly closed

[@BeastMR2]

This highlights something I’ve discovered in my own swing. I can get impact lag if I use a really strong grip but my launch is lower and spinnier, but worse: the image at impact looks good but then my hands flip hard right after contact so my miss is left of left. If I let the club head release a little (NOT a full blown flip) with a more neutral grip, the rate of face rotation is much lower through impact and after impact because I’m letting it release sooner. That’s what people don’t realize: better to release a little sooner like Louis and have a lower rate of face rotation than to hang on to the lag and have it flip over super fast right after impact.

[@otomotom1879]

Nice post. Jack Niklaus said: it is impossible to release the golf club too soon from the top, as long as you move to the left side.

[@PotatoGunCamper]

Brian explained how The Golfing Machine both made me a deadly iron player and an awful driver of the ball at the same time. All that flat left wrist, shaft lean and down on the ball had me smoking irons but struggling to hit driver well. I was smoking 4 irons 240 yards off the tee back then, but my driver was all over the place.

[@trashpar1]

Even though Brian used TM during my lesson, it was just to measure progress. Definitely not about getting that “look” of the left arm up the shaft since I came to the lesson handle dragging. Really got me into my left side earlier and really releasing the club with a right hand, underhand toss feel. When I got back to those feels I always hit the ball pretty serviceably.

[@jimthomson1892]

Very interesting video. I have a HackMotion sensor. I’m 72 years old and have an 87 mph driver swing speed. The HackMotion graph of my best shots show my wrists going into about 10° of flexion just prior to impact and then extending into impact with about 10° of extension at impact. This impact wrist position falls outside the HackMotion recommended range but seems to work better for my swing speed than having a more flexed wrist at impact. I hope Brian gets into this in future videos.

[@maeu59]

From what I’ve seen hack motion is based around the bowed left wrist impact position that is based on one famous picture of impact which has ruined generations of golfers.

[@jakeson1120]

Degrees is not much lean. Barely bowed. I don’t think the hackmotion is advising bad wrist angles

[@maeu59]

@@jakeson1120 from what I’ve seen it promotes a bowed wrist which is being proven more and more not what we should be doing, it leads to inconsistencies.

[@davecohn6407]

Look at the data base of pros that is included with Hackmotion. Many of these pros have their lead wrist slightly extended at impact . This extension is related to the fact that many pros have a strong lead hand grip. Except for those golfers with extraordinary wrist mobility ( Dustin Johnson), it is anatomically impossible to achieve a flat or bowed lead wrist at impact with a strong lead hand grip. Jon Rahm and Jordan Speith do have bowed wrists , but they also have weak lead hand grips

[@jakeson1120]

@@davecohn6407 yea stronger the left hand, more extended you need. You could have it flat but you better have that shaft leaning way forward and have tons of speed. I don’t disagree with anything you are saying in this reply. 90 percent of my students come in with a weak grip and they HATE changing it. I have to trick them into starting out with a slightly shut face* Hack motion seems to just advise a matchup

[@fntsmk]

Too bad someone didn't give the landscaper with the weed wacker a 20-spot and tell him to go on break for 20 minutes. Great tips from brother Brian Manzella. I'd love to get an in-person lesson from him next time I'm back home visiting family.

[@lumberjack7923]

you couldn't wait till the ANNOYING grass cutting was done ???? FFF

[@markroper9269]

4 years ago I really screwed up my swing watching golf videos on youtube. It took me 2 months to get it back to being repeatable and natural feeling. I had to discard all the things that didn't work for me.....lag release after the ball, shallow it out, etc. It is about having fun and getting exercise and being social and supportive to the people you are playing with....score is way down the list. Like the video!

[@hasenmyer]

I wish I had never watched a KZbin golf video

[@jeffcaminiti162]

That’s probably quite a shocker for you to hear that after such a long search of four shaft lean from all these different teachers wouldn’t you say?

[@thombendtsen399]

As always with Manzella; what is your point?! Make a point!

[@kevinbeardsworth3756]

I don’t understand what he’s saying. Should we try to get shaft lean or not? I used to have a big flip and couldn’t hit my 7 iron over 130 yards not I don’t flip and can hit it 170. I’m new to the game. Only been playing a year. I don’t understand

[@ToraxReborn]

Depending on the player. On the shot.

[@kevinbeardsworth3756]

@@ToraxReborn got to say I’m still no closer to being understanding what’s right and what’s wrong

[@ToraxReborn]

@@kevinbeardsworth3756 whats right depends on the fix you require to do. There is no wrong. Its a journey.

[@mikerichardson5022]

If you are hitting a 7 iron 170 yds, what Brian is saying is your lead wrist is going from flexion to extension through impact. In other words you’re doing a so called “flip” at the right time.

[@1DCCX]

He’s is saying if you swing at world class speeds you need a different impact than someone who doesn’t. If you swing driver at 85 mph you can’t get the ball in the air if you present too little dynamic loft. Which you will do if you shove the handle forward and deloft it. You are holding of energy going to the clubhead and presenting too little loft. On the other hand if you have 120mph clubhead speed you will generate so much spin the ball will lift higher, so you need to deloft it. He’s also saying the best club players do what they need to do to hit a good shot. They don’t obsess over some probably unattainable goal. And average and beginner players are better off seeing Joe Pro who will give them what they need and not some internet ideal they probably cannot attain.

[@flipdawhip2573]

i gotta brinks truck found in a junk yard, no engine, wheels, or money

[@rickmiller8893]

I've spent 25 years down that road and recently abandoned it...and I have high clubhead speed. I realized with ball forward and a flat to slightly bowed left wrist... You can't even get the club to the ball without some crazy tilt or spin out...and when you read "square shoulders at impact", "stay behind the ball" and THAT?.. I'm not from NY..but fugetaboutit.

[@dkel8795]

I always return back to Manuel de la Torre. Just swing the freaking club with your arms. It takes care of everything. Hands, wrists, lag. Don't have to think about. Physics does it for you. Golf instruction should just focus on the backswing and then let people get after it from there.

[@nelsonjames1272]

I believe the flip comes from forgetting to present shaft lean, then hitting at the ball more, less focussed on the target. You have to see (in your minds eye and actually) where your hands should be for each type of shot. Without it you’re dead. Remember how I told you a million times to swing left? Your guest just showed you that. Obviously that is what I meant and tried to explain. Easier said than done for many though.

[@ElieAnquetil]

Thank you Brian! Finally someone speaking the truth.

[@joeyarrazolo5227]

The key here is speed. A lot of athletes from other sports bring speed to the table. I’m 31 years old, 5’6” but have 113mph stock driver swing speed. I have to have some amount of shaft lean. But everyone says most amateurs don’t have speed so I’ll have to just agree with it.

[@jakeson1120]

Best comment so far

[@edchapman5801]

You're correct. When I was a young man, I could shoot under par but didn't have the club head speed to get the ball up in the air with my long irons - I could carry a 2 iron 190 but it would roll another 20 or 30, so I wore out my 5 wood - when I hit middle age my 2,3 and 4 irons all carried about 170 - why? Because my club head speed dropped even more. Like you said - the key here is speed.

[@joeyarrazolo5227]

@@edchapman5801 and therein lies the beauty of the game. Able to play at all speed levels. But that’s also why you can’t prescribe a one size fits all approach to coaching

[@edchapman5801]

@@joeyarrazolo5227 and you should always try to discover what someone's tendencies are before you try to change something they do naturally - if a guy has a strong grip, it's better to explain how he can stick play well without making a major grip change.

[@swingeasyguy]

Most of us mortals are lucky to swing over 100mph. 99% of golfers I play with (I'm a 3.5 index) don't hit the ball over 230 total, tho they think they've hit it over 250

[@edogaktop]

Someone needs to hold a podcast or something between Mike Malaska and Brian, and have them discuss about how golf instructions could do more harm than good for the top talents.

[@steveng8727]

I like Brian' video about Freddy Couples releasing the club! No handle dragging!

[@sammarcotte3056]

I’ve never understood this concept. It seems like it kills all the speed that your wrists can produce. When I tried doing this I hit low trajectory stingers with very fat divots. The backspin was wild but I literally broke clubs trying to do this and it was hard on the body, hands and wrists.

[@otomotom1879]

Hope it helps you. Watch Kitayama's swing. Because it's much more evident. In downswing (when the club is almost parallel to the ground), the club goes out (and hands in), creating the bottom arc. There's 2 arcs. Not 1 as we all amateurs think. All Tour Pros does that bottom arc. (It doesn't really matter their backswing). The Shot Tracer youtube channel has lots of pros in slow mo. Each pro have crazy different backswing, but the last part of the downswing are all the same.

[@johnnymac2201]

Fantastic, great to see Brian on your channel. This is going to be very interesting. Can't wait for the next videos to come out.

[@ToraxReborn]

The only thing id agree is there is a progress in learning golf techniqie and its uses. Even if you learn to use all three techniques (hook, slice, straight) yoi wont be able to score without experience.

[@tomgilmore4878]

Very interesting and relevant. Thanks Brian and BBG!

[@hasenmyer]

Every golf swing video I watch has my head spinning by the end...tried watching one of Brian's (even Monte's) insta videos and have no idea what he is talking about. If it's that F'ing hard I'm better off just having fun and keeping my ice chest full of cold beer.

[@TheBarbecutioner]

Sorry to give you a thumbs down, but this was not a good video. There may be some solid gold in here, but why make me dig it our of the ground? Plus, the mower in the background was annoying.

[@jetsfan23]

Can't wait to see more.

[@michaelsliwinski8044]

B, thanks again. Great insight into speed and impact.

[@BEBETTERGOLF]

Thx Mike!

[@PetSKi67]

Trouble has been interpreting a 2D footage, either fast shutter still shots or video of a 3D dynamic motion not understanding there is so much more happening underneath the projection a picture provides. One of the worst is the idea of a fixed plane and trying to follow the plane with your clubhead. All positions are relative to the motion a person executes.

[@jeffreymoss4257]

A lot of stories, but there was not the amount of helpful swing info your videos normally contain.

[@jumpnjy]

It would be interesting to hear what Brian thinks of Moe Norman and Bryson Dechambeau

[@BEBETTERGOLF]

Yeah

[@moefoley567]

Please fix the sound transmission so he can be understood!!! Liked to have seen some conditions of an earlier release demonstrated other than just chatter filler!

[@danielwenderlich3438]

Just wondering what the teaching differences between Brian and John Erickson?

[@magnuscroify]

Lag is an effect, not a cause.

[@peterthethird]

Ok so what is the optimal impact position from Brian’s perspective? This video gave me no insight on what to do or what not to do, can we can an explanation? Brian sounds very pissed off? Why is he so mad?

[@spm6713]

It's 'what suits your swing and game' and that something we find out with experimentation and/or lessons. A life long journey for most of us.

[@johnrodgers6049]

I think each individual player’s mind processes information differently. You need to find the correct teacher for your mind. For example: some people function best with a swing that it’s arm driven and the body follows. Others work the opposite where the arms follow the body (body driven). If the arm guy is working with a body rotation instructor, he will be messed up.

[@spm6713]

Not only do pros have more speed they are playing irons with more loft and higher cg's. Modern irons I would assume have been designed for amateurs who generally deliver too much loft with traditional lofts.

[@555Trout]

Less loft.

[@spm6713]

@@555Trout No, pros play traditional lofts which they deloft dynamically. Ams play stronger lofts and add loft dynamically. Generally speaking.

[@555Trout]

@@spm6713 Nope.

[@spm6713]

@@555Trout Nope what? Explain.

[@PetSKi67]

It depends, for instance DeShambeau plays stronger lofts cause the crazy speed he’s generating nowadays. Otherwise the higher speed would lift the ball up due increase of spin instead of gaining any distance.

[@commoner5042]

So much yakking. Could have been summed up in a KZbin ‘short’.

[@davecohn6407]

Mr Manzella for all his bluster does not seem to understand the concept of low point and the ability to compress a ball. At the very beginning of the video he demonstrates an iron impact position with slightly negative shaft lean . With this position it is impossible to hit the ball as the iron is designed ; his low point is slightly behind the ball. At best case scenario with perfect timing a golfer will hit the ball low on the clubface with such a low point . Much more likely is to hit the ball slightly fat or thin . There is no golfer in the history of golf , who compresses the ball when hitting an iron off of the ground when his low point is slightly behind the ball . That is not to say that most club golfers would benefit from the amount of shaft lean similar to the average touring pro.Most club golfers lack sufficient clubhead speed to launch the ball high enough and would sacrifice distance with such forward shaft lean. Mr Manzella has presented a number of videos on using the “ Hackmotion sensor”. It seems hypocritical to both advocate using the “ Hackmotion sensor” and suggesting that golfers hit irons with negative shaft lean at impact The problem with trying to learn from KZbin videos is threefold 1. You need a good knowledge of the golf swing to really understand the concepts presented in many of these KZbin videos.Just isolating one idea without understanding how this idea is related to the rest of the swing is a recipe for failure 2. Few club golfers possess the athletic skills to really apply these concepts 3. Any golfer needs feedback from a trained eye to make sure that they are not repeating old mistakes and applying correct concepts . Just watching KZbin videos lacks a trained eye

[@jamesharris6578]

Yes he does. I have had a lesson from him, I promise you he understands where the low point needs to be, even for a slower, older, amateur swing speed.

[@ablgolfmom6211]

Who are these instagram coaches? I don’t know any good coaches that teach positions. The good ones teach flowing athletic movements. I wonder who Mr. Manzella is referring to as instagram teachers? I only pay attention to coaches that show students making progress. I’m sure Mr Manzella is a fine coach but he only posts himself blabbering about theory and never posts students swings.

[@KMAN10694]

Think he is pointing to GG, milo lines, and likely David woods and his new prosendr

[@ablgolfmom6211]

@@KMAN10694 interesting because each of those “social media” coaches probably teaches 5 students to every 1 Mr Manzella teaches. He is more of a theorist while they are in the trenches coaching players of every age and ability daily. I’m a student of Milo and started with him as a 30 year old woman that couldn’t break 100 and I’m now a +1. He hasn’t ever taught positions only flowing dynamic movements.

[@KMAN10694]

@@ablgolfmom6211 fair point. I enjoy Milo’s instruction

[@PetSKi67]

Are you familiar with the Athletic Motion Golf channel? They have solid instruction based on 3D measurements and give allways a drill to fix any asigned issue they present in their videos.

[@ablgolfmom6211]

@@PetSKi67 yes they have some good ideas but they don’t show many students swings and their progress like Milo does

[@LeeTrevinoFans]

One of my favorites....what a treat Thanks sir.

[@dukecrosswhite7472]

Why is there a buzzing sound backing the audio? Please clean it up. The cadence of the teacher is hard enough without the buzz...

[@paulfleming1782]

Manzella looks better with that weight off than he has in years and he's never hurting for enthusiasm .Video; maybe it was my computer but for some of this tape , I was getting feedback from another tape ( was it my equipment OR was it in fact on this tape ? ) .

[@BEBETTERGOLF]

We had a leaf blower going during this part and I had to work like heck to eliminate most of it in editing

[@wodenoftheangles3339]

Brian is great.

[@forrestgardener8906]

TGM ideas have ruined countless golf swings. But this is an interesting video. Noteworthy for the fact that Brendon didn't hit a single shot.

[@deohin5447]

This guy must be a picker, but we'll never know

[@A-FrameWedge]

Not really, he takes divots most of the time, he has other videos of him hitting balls.

[@mrkipling3841]

I loved this video and Brian's perspective. Another coup for team BBG.

[@wretchlikeme5321]

Someone doing a hedge sculpture with a weed whacker?

[@television3771]

No clue about lean, lag or TGM, clown show or country dumb? It’s all easy and 100% know how and a decent grip.

[@mogley71]

Kinda seems like he wants to patch holes with duct tape

[@billenright2788]

is that a weedeater???? something is making a weird noise.

[@simmo5071]

Maybe I can’t see cus Rory appears to have hands in front of ball.

[@ablgolfmom6211]

He does Brian is simply building a straw man to knock down for self promotion

[@mjheggie2]

Finally you got the best golf instructor around! Brian Manzella is the man and Michael Jacobs too! These are the guys I’ve mentioned to you in the past that you need to get together with!

[@jamesharris6578]

Michael Jacobs is the best thing to happen to Padraig!

[@ricky454100]

Of all the hundreds and hundreds of golf instructors on You Tube the only one I could understand was Mike Malska. Now I can add one name to the list. That would be Brian. They both understand we are just recreational golfers. We are never going to turn pro. Just keep it simple. Something we can actually do.

[@spm6713]

Agreed. He's my 'go to' instructor. Deliver some shaft lean but with a hands led square release. Not trying to hold the angles and create speed with just body rotation 👍

[@industrialpalletworx3548]

I guess Im good then. Im at 115 with a driver

[@normalperson7204]

Way too much talking and not enough teaching. Just say'n

[@jedimike118]

I like to see a collab with mikebendergolf.

[@anandshah71]

I am so bored with coaches and just play on my own and experiment and learn. Each one has their method and give too many instructions

[@danielmosias6280]

Recently I've watched Claude Harmon giving lessons on here to average players and never once did he mention hands forward (or backwards) at impact. His main concerns were..Proper set up (including a good grip) good rotation, and weight going backwards and weight going forwards. It was simple instructions that most (if not all) average golfers can relate to and do. Obviously like a lot of things in life, some will do it better than others. Most of youtube coaches relate to (and show images of) top pros hitting balls. Most of these top pros have been hitting 1000s (if not millions) of golf balls since they were 5 years old, and it has no bearing on the ordinary average golfer.

[@television3771]

Right……so stay off the golf course and go play pickle ball. No reason for the rest of us to humor you and suffer along with the incompetence.

[@swingeasyguy]

I've taken lessons with Craig Harmon in Rochester and he by far was the best instructor I ever had...extremely simple, no silly fixes or increased distances of 40 yards like half the you tube teachers insist on...the entire Harmon family are known as great teachers.

[@randymahony8157]

I don't know, but Pete Cowan says the opposite. Who do you listen to.

[@maeu59]

Everyone is a genius.

[@tytuskonarzewski4169]

For sure Pete Cowan, knows exactly what he is talking about… base of technique is this same for amateurs and professional golfers…

[@davida.4933]

@@tytuskonarzewski4169 Except Pete Cowan can only hit half speed demo shots and even some of those he mucks up. Same as Leadbetter in that sense. These teaching pros frequently know all about the golf swing but can't demonstrate.

[@ericschroeder8932]

Such a shame Hunter Mahan had his swing destroyed.

[@kennyg63]

He talks about teaching grip. On tour there is no one grip being used, there all different.

[@BEBETTERGOLF]

Exactly what I asked him about the hall of fame.

[@bobsanders8030]

High and tight. Good haircut.

[@timcastle9506]

Could you please check your audio, BEFORE you put videos online. Nice mouth-harp background noise.

[@swingeasyguy]

Please next time do a video without the grass cutting guy...it was an extreme distraction.

[@bushidonation7835]

What the fuck is this guy talking about. I couldn’t look away it was like a horrific car accident

[@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219]

Brendan’s obsession with lag and hands forward just went … poof. The look on his face was like someone just hit him in the gut

[@555Trout]

I think you misunderstood his look.

[@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219]

@@555Trout hardly

[@nanjappachandramohan9172]

So much talking with out much teaching!

[@funkster007]

My dream is to see every top rated social media golf instructor collab on one video and watch them fight it out.

[@otomotom1879]

The best post on this video, by far!!! Hahaha

[@davecohn6407]

Just simple projectile physics . There is nothing new about lower swing speed golfers suffering with too much forward shaft lean. There are differences between hitting irons when the ball is on the ground and hitting a driver where the ball is teed up.With irons with ball on the ground ,golfers can not have negative shaft lean or else they will hit behind the ball. With zero shaft lean golfers will not be able to hit the ball in high enough grooves to hit the ball solidly as the iron is designed .So forward shaft is required to hit irons solidly . But golfers with lower clubhead speeds will lose distance if they deloft the clubhead beyond a minimum amount. With a driver when the ball is teed up, golfers no longer need to have forward shaft in order to hit the ball in the sweet spot of the driver. For golfers with slower swing speeds , they should be concerned more with achieving sufficient height without excessive spin and not focus on forward shaft lean at impact

[@bdoubleeb3039]

Lotta hot air in this one

[@golfmaniac]

Brian is right on the speed thing. Most instructors today, want to teach how a pro swings, but the average golfer can't move any part of their body at the same speed as a pro, and never will, no matter how many lessons they get.

[@television3771]

Average golfer doesn’t have the faintest idea how to swing a golf club. Golf swing is 10% effort and 90% know how, that is not an exaggeration The only thing that moves fast is the clubhead. Doing the opposite of what a pro does is a fools errand.

[@thurlestonetennis2447]

Interesting statement about social media expert instruction, but is it wrong? If we accept what he says is true about club champions, we will never know for sure, but he is probably correct, that does not mean that we hackers should not attempt to copy the best players on the planet. It has been proved empirically and scientifically that if we want consistent contact, control of the club face and maximum compression that the club should be leaning forward at impact. The vast majority of professionals do this to some degree or other. Club champions, and hackers, can play scratch golf with non text book golf technique - fact. But the point to remember is that we cannot do it consistently because it requires perfect timing. If we have shaft lean and stability our consistency rating goes up. So should we not attempt to follow the Pros? One does not have to be a contortionist or elite athlete to do this. Just as there is no right way to swing a golf club, only an optimum way, social media commentators should not be described as being wrong. Although it provides could click bait!

[@peterrutkowski8172]

This guy comes across as annoying. Screw club champions. Look at professionals to see where the wrist angle is at impact.

[@Timanator]

OMG that guy is still working?

[@tomchester3867]

If you take a divot you've got the elusive shaft lean simple

[@PetSKi67]

I think, what distincts Sergio Garcia’s lag with most others is his trail shoulder movability and excess of shoulder external rotation likewise with the best and fastest servers of the tennis ball.

[@OwenDawson]

Let's not say there is a right and wrong way to swing a club. We are all so different in how we are built and how we can physically move. The right way has to be somewhat based on what you physically can and can't do biomechanically. The art of teaching is getting players that aren't the perfect specimen of fitness and flexibility to play better golf. Being able to adapt from your ideologies regarding the swing is a must if your not working with tour players all day. Lots of great info on the internet including @bebettergolf, but knowing if it applies to you can be a slippery slope. It's amazing that Manzella was able to video every single club champion around the country to be able to come up with his conclusion of the average impact position! What an ego!!

[@jdheelfan]

You can't teach a lag. Lagging comes from your reaction to your focus. If you are focused on hitting the ball you will never lag. If you are focused on "throwing your club" at the target you will always lag.

[@television3771]

I understand………….there is another way.

[@Ericksonbellgolf]

I mostly agree with this except maybe mot always getting lag. It is largely about intention, and when you imagine throwing you release at the target instead of at the ball

[@ge8382]

Sequence, not some harry potter magic throw. Learn sequence, learn golf

[@jdheelfan]

@@ge8382 LOL "sEqUeNcE" of what exactly?

[@jdheelfan]

@@television3771 The human brain can't process body part positions at the speed you would need to mimic a golf swing.

[@robsaxepga]

TGM says that the motion with the right hand is an "underhand" pitch motion. Keeping the left wrist flat after impact is possible if the hands travel around to the left, but as Brian says, not mandatory, according to Mr. Kelley. To his point, at the Pebble Beach Womans Open, 17th hole, many of them, and I have the video, look like he says about the club champions. You wouldn't want the hands to lead the head too much with a driver but in the irons, definitely. I was also a Ben Doyle student, and I can tell you, having taken lessons from a few different TGM AI's, they all have a slightly different take on what Mr. Kelley doesn't call "mandatory," but they are pretty universal in what is.

[@kalindatchev994]

Say what you want about Brian Manzella but few can match his enthusiasm for teaching the game of golf.

[@seth1455]

he uses a lot of words, but doesn't say anything

[@mikefixac]

David Wutzer. Not sure I spelled his name right, but took lessons from him at El Dorado in Long Beach in the early 90s. Really good man. Wonder if he's still alive and his son was one hell of a golfer. Some myths are meant to be broken and I think Brian is right on this. It's freeing hearing him say this, I'm looking forward to getting to the range. Makes sense intuitively.

[@BEBETTERGOLF]

Yeah David is doing well, teaching about 2x a week and helping John’s golf team he is the head coach at Pomona Pitzer college

[@edchapman5801]

The mention of lag always stirs up a lot of interest and I've been playing for 68 of my 80 years and early on I tried to force the delayed hit, but always had trouble timing the release. I went to a small school in East Texas on a golf scholarship and one day in the library I came across a golf instruction book by someone no one has ever heard of - Phil Galvano - his book was called "Secrets of the Perfect Golf Swing" and it didn't take long before I went from a 3 or 4 handicap to a +2. It was so simple and I'll pass it on - just keep your wrists as relaxed as you possibly can - like rawhide thongs - tension is your enemy. I'm sure you can imagine the club at the top, your wrists loose and relaxed, and as your legs and body start the downswing, the club is left behind and your only thought is to complete the swing smoothly while looking at the target, but you have to stay down through impact and finish relaxed while LOOKING AT THE TARGET. You can thank me later.

[@swingeasyguy]

In other words swing like George Knudson!

[@edchapman5801]

From what I've read, Hogan thought this guy had the best action on tour and that's saying a lot. From what I understand, he told Gardener Dickinson that Knudson had the best compression on tour, and was the most consistent ball striker as well. There's a Shell's Wonderful World of Golf with him that's worth watching.

[@edchapman5801]

Something I didn't mention but you may have already figured it out - to use the loose wrist swing it may be necessary to tweak your grip because whatever the natural way your hands are at impact is the way you want them at address - if you block it to the right just grip the club a bit stronger - visa versa if you're hooking too much. The only other thing is to trust it - if you do you can't go wrong. I know this is too radical for Brian but it's easier and works better than Homer's stuff.

[@ag358]

Bobby Jones had said he had the feeling of leaving the club head behind.

[@jamesharris6578]

@@ag358 That's how my best swings feel. Not a forced "lag" feeling, but swinging.

[@roncordeau159]

Brian, hey you're looking great- fit and trim!. I'm still hitting a soft draw. LOL. I sure enjoy your style.

[@mofojohnson1]

If you want shaft lean it's easier to do with a strong left hand grip

[@davecohn6407]

The reason for this is related to squaring the clubface . Flipping closes the clubface . With a stronger left hand grip , the clubface is less likely to be open; thus , there is less need to flip

[@PetSKi67]

@@davecohn6407, really? I think, flipping only adds loft, but a flip often comes with stalling the turn and supination of the lead forearm, unless you flick your lead wrist like in throwin a frisbee like Hogan did.

[@PetSKi67]

Strong grip promotes more tilt, cause otherwise the face would close too much. More tilt is the introduction to lower back issues.

[@jamesharris6578]

@@PetSKi67 Did Hogan throw a Frisbee?

[@PetSKi67]

@@jamesharris6578, probably. Who knows. But the ”hogan spination” has similar wrist action with flexion and ulnar deviation in it as throwig a frisbee back-handed following the supination of the foream.

[@mitchy7051]

Brandon has moved up the food chain! Getting some top doggs :)

[@coburn_karma]

Teach Real golf VS Pro golf.

[@dicknastee1652]

Don’t tell that to Pete Cowen😮