Timken's Four Aces Locomotive

[@tedsalmen]

my God, I can't stress enough how much I love these mini-documentaries. can't wait for more!

[@HighIron]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying the show!

[@That_Thicc_Cat]

I love them too lol

[@N00N01]

Same :D

[@nikolausbautista8925]

As one who laments the Four Ace's loss (being from metro-Seattle-Tacoma), I say you did an excellent job. If any locomotive should be Replicated, it is the Four Aces, as it was a locomotive designed to tour the Nation.

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

i would think that a good "Spirit" name for the Timken Ace would be "Spirit of Seattle", given thats where it mainly roamed

[@charleswolf5360]

Low water in the boiler over the crown sheet. I have been told that running shallow water over the crown sheet would make it produce more steam, more quickly, and would produce additional power. Not wise. The damaged crown sheet was patched, not replaced. If the crown sheet ran dry, at all, the steel would overheat and lose it's temper.

[@superjesse645]

I can't help but feel like it should be an NYC Hudson or Timken Four Aces that should be rebuilt from scratch, not the T1. Is that weird?

[@user-nx8tk1pp5o]

"one of the main sticking points were its bearings." Nice pun!

[@braysfinds7479]

I can't "bear" these informational shorts! Always excited when they "roll" out for viewers!

[@thetrainstation2helpee933]

Good one

[@generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944]

Good one

[@generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944]

There was a Video called Rollerfreight by Timken

[@Emily_12NWR]

I watched it

[@kellyoleary6599]

Lol.

[@ravenhawk6910]

Nice to see a well made program about this locomotive.

[@maxnash8450]

I’ve always loved this one, even thought about making a video on it. Shame she wasn’t preserved.

[@OldIronVideo]

My grandpa lives in Canton so we go to the musame there and they have a scale molde if it so it's a childhood favorite it almost made it to preservation and would be put on display at the Timpkin factory

[@awizardalso]

My real name is Michael McCluskey. I also live in Canton, Ohio. My wife's dad Paul Barton also worked at the Timken Steel Company, until he retired. He died a few years ago and not long after his wife Grace Barton also died. My wife took the name Mary Barton-McCluskey

[@trisb0999]

Mmmmmm musamé

[@awizardalso]

The Timken Steel Company is here in Canton, Ohio. and has been here for a long time.

[@cjholland48]

2:27 really hit it home with the music. Such a gorgeous engine that I never knew existed, thanks for showing us this!!

[@USASteamProductions]

I wish that she would be preserved or operating excursions

[@RailsofMichigan]

I learned about this remarkable 4-8-4 some years ago and the Timken company and I was very impressed with this locomotive and how it was built I thought she was a beautiful and stunning locomotive and I loved her colors and Timken markings it's a sad shame she was lost but at least she lives on both in operating steam locomotives today with Timken bearings and in the world of trainz.

[@LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard]

Wow what a story. This 4-8-4 Northern is very interesting.

[@Ko-Rail7382]

Darn, I really wish the Four Aces was still preserved!

[@Voucher765]

Don't we all, Seeing lost steam locomotives makes me sad and unfortunately not too many of them are around anymore

[@157RANDOM]

This is an excellent documentary about an incredible locomotive. I did some research into Timken when doing a paper on friction vs. anti-friction bearings for school, but I only read snippets about the Four Aces. very cool to hear more about it.

[@alexmullins2541]

Excellent production! Thanks for putting this together. I've never heard the story of the 1111 and now you've got me looking up what a Franklin booster truck is. Very cool.

[@HighIron]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jdgindustries2734]

Keep in mind, "booster truck" was one type, the Four Aces simply had a booster equipped standard Delta-type cast-frame trailing truck. A booster truck was most likely the front truck of a tender and was detectable by its side rods... www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40008

[@nathancorcoran5347]

Timken 1111 (A.K.A Northern Pacific 2626) could’ve have been in operation at the North Shore Scenic Railroad in Duluth, Minnesota instead of being scrapped, to be honest.

[@frigityfaceJR]

Could you do a complete start to finish, on making a map that one has made, work for MP so all my work isn't for nothing? Love the narration, and presentation.

[@danielboone3770]

Now this is an awesome locomotive that fuels up my imagination here! I love it!

[@JETZcorp]

I always try to choose Timken when I need new bearings for one of my motorcycles. Lots of roller bearings inside a 2-stroke engine. If it's good enough for the 4 Aces, it's good enough for the Kawasaki.

[@TranscontinentalRailfan]

Very appreciated of Timken now. Thanks for the video. Can you do a history video on PRR K4 1361 from the time it was built to the future?

[@marmion150]

Thanks for this, I had always wanted to know the full story of this legendary engine.

[@trainglen22]

This is my favorite steam locomotive. The 4 Aces which then became Northern Pacific 2626.

[@_cyan4657]

shame the poor engine was never saved, at least she got to prove her worth in a piece of the railroad industry that continues to this very day

[@bruceraykiewicz6274]

Very VERY interesting. Many folks, both in and out of the 'train hobby' are not aware of this information. Thank you.

[@AlexTrain5249]

Northern Pacific 2156 needs to be upgraded with roller bearings in order to run on mainlines much to the MTMs disdain. I'm astonished they still ran the Q3s up to 90 mph on the St. Paul to Duluth runs. The boiler is finally nearing completion. Now framework I believe is what's next once the roundhouse's water system is repaired.

[@Brian_rock_railfan]

great video

[@newobanproductions]

Roller bearings maybe effective but they are still prone to problems if left to run hot, which they're more of a nightmare. There was a case for NSWGR (Australia) when a (C)38 class 4-6-2 had the rollers in its bearings completely fused. The locomotive to be fitted with new bearings as a result.

[@JChristiansenLuckythebrony2222]

Timken 1111, an underrated lost Northern.

[@tjmfarming9584]

I’m starting to think, that maybe timken shouldn’t have sold 1111 to the NP, but had it on an extended loan to them to have it painted in NP colours and run under NP, then when the end of steam came, timken could’ve had the extended loan end with NP and preserve the locomotive

[@jalbhagwagar3353]

very well done. What an education for rail lovers. Thank you and keep such docs coming. There's plenty we don't know but would love to.

[@bccarl88]

It’s still crazy to me to think that for most of my life, I have lived right down the street from Timken’s Roller Bearing plant. In fact, it’s caddy corner from the Wheeling and Lake Erie’s Gambrinus Yard in Canton, Ohio.

[@brendanstrains9725]

Nice I have a couple books that show 2626 on the northern pacific. It is a interesting 4-8-4. I wish it was preserved.

[@atsfevan0242]

This sure was an interesting video, nice work

[@johnmartin621]

When I started working on the railroad in 1974 as a switchman the CNW was still transitioning from brass journals to roller bearings. Standard equipment on locos and cabooses was metal packing hooks used to remove the oily packing from journal boxes if burning. Along the long departure tracks where trains were assembled and inspected by car knockers were barrels of journal oil placed at intervals so car knockers could get oil into oiling cans and carry it to the car with a dry journal box and replenish the oil in the journal box. It wasn't very many years later that brass wedges and journal boxes completely disappeared replaced by sealed Timken roller bearings. Roller bearings would still fail but with much less frequency.

[@danielboone3770]

I love the color green and the cab is super cool.

[@kristalkat7939]

I hope Lionel will make an o-gauge scale model of Four Aces

[@AlleghenyMTNRails]

In my opinion, this is the best video High Iron has made. I never knew the Four Aces was real. I heard of it, but I thought it was fake, but this video has completely proved this wrong. Amazing video, keep up the awesome work.

[@toyroadsrails-trainscarspl1709]

Very interesting documentaries! I've just started watching your channel and I love it already!

[@spaceflight1019]

I used to do contract calibration work for Timken in Canton, Ohio. When it came time to replace the front wheel bearing and hub assemblies on my 93 Dakota 4x4, I spent the extra money and bought genuine, made in America Timken bearings. They were made in Italy. They both failed within a week. After I raised Cain with Timken, they shipped made in America replacements. Problem solved.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

There was an effort to save the four aces but the Railroad Museum did not have track capable of handling such a big heavy locomotive so it was consigned to the scrap yard. Such a waste such a shame.

[@ishirotanaka]

fun fact, The 1111 Was Equipped with a wabco aa2 air horn.

[@Backlitshitbox]

When I heard they fell short on money to preserve it I started banging my fists against the table

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

"Ever since rail's inception, one of the major sticking points were the axle bearings."

[@liamstrains6420]

Cool!

[@davesurname1964]

Yes

[@mistermadmachine6311]

The engine didn’t just set a standard it got a Cinderella story

[@keithbender4054]

I work at Phil Gear and Timken is our parent company. Only myself and our head boss knew about this locomotive.

[@fordmotorman]

Northern Pacific: we don’t want it, Unless

[@NScaleTrainBoy]

Great video, and an awesome story I was previously unaware of! Loved it!

[@TPB-OPA]

Even if the 4 Aces doesn’t exist anymore, it set the industry standard for roller bearings.

[@Pensyfan19]

Fantastic video as always

[@HeavyTanker-vx4oq]

Wasn't the Four Aces the main inspiration for the N&W J-Class? Especially the Js Roller bearings and things.

[@lathanluu4535]

Hey man I look on timken Facebook page at the post your video on there page

[@willberestartingthischanne9984]

Nice Work!

[@DSZI.ShyHunterBB]

Cool Video!!!

[@hamiltonsullivan6563]

Would be cool for the Timken 4-8-4 to be rebuilt like the t1

[@lindajones7852]

Build it from scratch. By all means. Would love to see that.

[@RailsofMichigan]

Be awesome to see this locomotive join the San Juan Roster but its doubtful unless train master pulls it out of his sleeve and checkbook.

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

well if that happens, im signing up for the voice, as it is my personal favorite steam locomotive of all time

[@VulcanIronDales_Studio]

Great work guys. :)

[@nickdeluna8681]

It is sad that the Northern Pacific 2626 (Timken 1111 or Four Aces) is scrapped in the late 1950s and not many Northern Pacifics aren't restored. At least a cousin locomotive Spokane- Portland & Seattle is still restore today.

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

Thing is, the 700 *Is* a NP 4-8-4, it just burns oil and was delivered to SP&S

[@TailsFan369no2]

5:07 Gettysburg Missing fact: the bell still exists

[@TailsFan369no2]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGfRf6Opq7x0fdUfeature=shared

[@tiffanijames2844]

Great work ❤️

[@nssteampunk4865]

I saw a video on the Timken Roller Bearings with their Roller Freight video promo

[@StephenCarlBaldwin]

Terrific 3D scholarship. Candidate for a new build (a la Pennsy T1?)

[@astromotive6047]

High Iron: *Uploads* Me: (Clicks) *Video is Private* Me: Wait *WUT* *30 Minutes Later* Video is now watchable Me: .....ok

[@threepea1151]

Same

[@jenniferphillips5300]

I have a idea what if one of the San Juan's steam engines were fitted with roller bangs?

[@superjesse645]

Funny how something so small can have such a big impact.

[@henryjohnston6023]

I would love to hear about the railroad transfer boats and the process and equipment used to load the railroad cars onto these ferries. I grew up not far from Natchez Mississippi and I can remember steam locomotive pulling the cars off of the transfer boats. Then I can remember the Giant diesel electric locomotives that replace them. I would love to know more about them.

[@martinadams7949]

heard it was offered to a nw rail and they turned it down as they had no room

[@TheOdst219]

Didn't Timken make a cartoon bout their bearings?

[@maxtherailfan309]

Nice job

[@generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944]

Timken Had a Video of Roller bearings called Rollerfrieght

[@alcopower5710]

Very informative 👍

[@Evanm42]

Could you do a video like this on future trains, say the Availa Liberty or Maglevs?

[@jenniferphipps2012]

Four Aces The Casino Engine

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

lol

[@fortniteman3477]

In Trainz Forge's Timken 1111 pack is there a Northern Pacific tender that doesn't say the timken PSA or whatever below "Northern Pacific", or is that the only tender it comes with

[@HighIron]

Yes, the NP tenders are included.

[@fortniteman3477]

@@HighIron yes I know but on the NP tenders it says "All journals equipped with Timken Roller Bearings" below "Northern Pacific". Do all the NP tenders say that below the RR name, or is there one that just says "Northern Pacific"?

[@HighIron]

@@fortniteman3477 Yes, all three of them read, "All Journals Equipped with Timken Roller Bearings."

[@fortniteman3477]

@@HighIron I see. Thanks for letting me know.

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Too bad Trainz Forge doesn't have ANYTHING for Trainz versions older than Trainz 12 (or T:ANE if I'm mistaken).

[@The_L-3C_Pro]

People should use the timken 1111 more often it trainz

[@tylergreen4843]

3:09 what chime whistle was that? sounds amazing! Similar to Santa fe 3751's whistle in There goes a train

[@T128Productions]

That was actually an Alco 5 chime.

[@tylergreen4843]

@@T128Productions never heard of that before. I like it👍👍👍

[@Foxymorris9236]

I didn't know that there were frichen boxes back then but now I do.

[@bluebellsfan8704]

Wow! Amazing!

[@razor_170]

I remember there being a cartoon about Timken Roller Bearings. Yeah, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpbYZpt-btusbac

[@engineerskalinera]

Big Tim. A classic.

[@ratchetraccoon3964]

does anyone know where I can download this amazing train?

[@neilsonthegreat]

Do you think someone might make a new build project for the four aces

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

Wait that's not a red and yellow EMD F7 with a face

[@SantaFe19484]

Awesome video!

[@zachmiller9175]

It boggles my mind that basically the entire early industrial era ran on plain bearings, no wonder old machines were so greasy

[@maozilla9149]

good show

[@runawaysmudger7181]

Queue "Big Timmy"

[@FranzFerdinandVIII]

as a Northern Pacific fanatic, i feel personally offended that the Timken ace was scrapped. 6.Mar.2023

[@kodachromerailroadvideos6571]

I think they should have at least semi streamlined the Four Aces for the train

[@Combes_]

Hey, a roller freight!

[@xerender3768]

2 questions: Did the side rods have roller bearings? What kind of whistle did the Locomotive have?

[@Cpt_Wedge]

Are you still around? Thought I remembered there being more recent videos but the most recent is the trailer from earlier this year

[@chrisscott8934]

I rember wheel bearing are been fitied on amtrak superliners and amfleet and they never have hot boxes only amtrak can trigger a hot box It happend to Amtrak's California zephyr #6 he was SC 44 challengers and a detector went off saying it had a hot box from head of train and the conductor and engineer and dispatcher were talking about it and they said it was number 4617 that triggered the hot box they said the manufacturer had to cut out the brakes once you release the brakes it rolls freely and all that so that's what happened to California zephyr it triggered a hot box

[@MiddletownBranchProd.]

ayy

[@oddjob1795]

Such a waste of the most advanced and beautiful steam locomotive ever built by the U.S locomotive industry.

[@spareglizzymaam]

This train isn’t available any more. Is there another download link?

[@SPS700TheE1]

I don't think there is unless someone can reskin a FEF

[@SouthernRailwayProductio-rw8wb]

Huh. I Never Knew This Locomotive Before Like The Green One

[@weird1012]

4501 cameo in the first couple seconds

[@kiuperhyper5795]

Would you do a documentary on the Pennsylvania duplex locomotives

[@HighIron]

We'll see what we can do...

[@Kh06918]

@@HighIron what about the PRR K4s

[@kiuperhyper5795]

@@HighIron thanks I understand if you chose not to in favor of others

[@jackchatfield5464]

Wouldn't calling them The Full House Class be better?