ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ - BRICK VAULT Ornithopter VS. LEGO Ornithopter comparison [Dune 2021]

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ its called copy paste

[@TheUnknownMW]

How do you get that font can you give me please?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

@@TheUnknownMW they're math functions not a font

[@janskvara2762]

The official set is a marvel of engineering creativity, for me the other one doesn't even come close.

[@tardifan]

The official set was desagned by a team of engineers with the ability to create new pieces out of the blue. The Brickvault set (which ftr came out two years before the official set) was designed by a fan with only access to Lego pieces that existed at that point. It would honestly be pretty embarassing to Lego if this wasn't the case.

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

The Lego one is absolutely less accurate still lol

[@j.m.w.5064]

no shit. you guys are comparing sets with 100% difference in number of parts. And Lego produces a special cockpit for something they can't pull of. Only to come to the conclusion that this one time Lego does not suck. slow. clap.

[@RECHARGED77]

the brick vault ornithopter looks more like the harkonnen ones

[@1994fishboy]

exactly. Its rounder and more stubby. The official one is far more "Atreides".

[@youwebz]

They had their own? I thought they were commandeered Atreides ones?

[@elipse371]

@@youwebzthe Harkonnens use a generally bulkier design of ornithopter, capable of supporting heavier weaponry and carrying more soldiers. If you watch Dune Part 2, you’ll see the Harkonnen ornithopters in action, and they’re clearly much bulkier than the comparatively nimble ornithopters used by the Atreides legions. It’s a reasonable mistake though, I made it too when I first watched Dune Part 1.

[@youwebz]

@@elipse371 thank you for the detailed and correct explanation. I appreciate the effort you put in.

[@elipse371]

@@youwebz no problem

[@CathodeRayKobold]

If you're wondering how he did the title, the unicode range is "Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics"

[@lord_scrubington]

the front of the brickvault thopter looks more like a Harkonnen design I think it would have worked much better as a product in committing to the Harkonnen shape tbh, as it prevents it from being seen as "obsolete" thanks to the official set

[@kleiner-yoda4133]

I agree on the Harkonnen shape and might actually try to relocate the wings, to a 6 wing design. But you have to keep in mind, that the BV model is a fan model, two years older than the official LEGO set and at that time it was not to be expected that LEGO would ever commit to this franchise / model at all.

[@nchacon1984]

Agree, I’d keep both and add ATREIDES decals to the LEGO set and Harkonnen decals to the brick vault

[@nacook2053]

IMO, the official Lego version wins on functionality of the wings and overall build quality - plus they are able to make new pieces to suit their needs. However, I bought the plans, and then made the Bricklink version last year and was very pleased with the overall detailing - some of which is more accurate than the Lego Co version - e.g. rear thruster vents, opening rear door, more main cabin room. Remember, also, that Lego produced the 'Royal Atriedes' version, and there were at least 3 versions in the first film. At some point I will take parts from the Lego Co version and update the Bricklink version - taking the best of both.

[@hidicproductions4849]

I have to admit, that the topter from brick vault is maybe designed after the harkonnen-design, that is more round and bulky.

[@tardifan]

I went to see Dune Part 2 yesterday and I had that exact feeling. (as someone who owns both sets)

[@MiguelCastro-ow5ho]

I don't think so, a big difference between Atreides and Harkonnen thopters is that the Atreides ones have four sets of wings, while the Harkonnen ones only have three pairs. The Brickvault model has four pairs.

[@elipse371]

@@MiguelCastro-ow5hoYeah. It’s this weird limbo zone where it’s not perfect as either one, and fails to be accurate to either.

[@ryandozier8053]

I think most folks will agree, it goes to the official. Sleeker by far. Value aside, figures aside- it’s the official for me.

[@interstellarskunkworks8283]

Lego undeniably did the proportions and functionality better, but as for capturing the Ornithopter's detail, I'm not sure there is a clear winner. Neither quite replicate the geometry of dorsal plating and tail boom silhouette correctly (and there are lego parts the sets could have use to which they do not). What I think would be best would be a model with the Lego Cockpit, BV body, and maybe just a new tail with more snot parts on it to make that fine taper it has in the film.

[@LordFindogask734]

It's still so weird that not only did Lego put a bunch of red axles and tow pieces that stuck like sore thumbs, but they could have also made the wings' joints dark gray instead of black and it would have been way more accurate. Wth Lego.

[@meccanised]

that mechanism for the wings is awesome.

[@commodorce6431]

No disrespect to BrickVault but that one looks a bit more similar to the Harkonen ornithopter which is a bit more bulky and in the movie at least only has 6 wings, rather than the Atredies one which is sleek

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

If it was off of reference I do believe they could've mistakened the two

[@vincrr3915]

Nice build man!!!

[@keizercas6051]

all I see is a model that goes for features instead of details and a model that goes for details instead of features

[@parallax_aerial_photography]

There were lots of spots on the official set where there are a ton of Technic parts (mainly all of the unused holes) that could have been covered up using plates and slopes to give it more of a finished look. Then again, some people like the Technic aesthetic and the set is quite popular so who am I to judge? Personally if I bought it I would just cover up as much as I could myself while stil retaining the awsome functional element of the set.

[@TomTrval]

I tweaked mine brick vault version with builder wings, which I extended in matter of both length and width and it adds a lot, build looks majestic. But it came ate price of heavy wings so I added join clips to make them more staple. Official set is very nice too, but it is hard to compare when it is made by someone who has access to movie set pieces and custom build is made by eye meassure only.

[@tardifan]

I also have both. Bought the BrickVault model when it came out shortly after the first film and the official Lego model the day it released. (I'm an almost lifelong Dune fan) For me there is a clear winner: the official Lego set. Yes the interior is non existent and the cockpit interior isn't accurate. But it's a small tradeoff for a far more impressive looking and far sturdier model. The BrickVault set still looks great I think but it will break as soon as you so much as touch it. And don't even think about folding in the wings. Besides tedious the chance you will end up breaking something is almost guaranteed. By comparison the Lego model you can easily lift, the wing folding is super fluid and feels amazing. Same with the landing gear. Finally I will say while both were a lot of fun to build the official Lego set definitely takes the cake here for me. Building it was a real challenge and seeing all the mechanisms finally come together was so satisfying. It uses more advanced techniques, takes longer to build and overall is just more of a real challenge even for an experienced builder like myself. There are however reasons why the BrickVault might be the better option for you though. Like I said the official set uses A LOT of technic and if that isn't your jam or you are not an experienced Lego builder the BrickVault set might be the better option since the official set might just be endlessly frustrating instead of a fun challenge. Also, and I know Im contradicting the video here, the difference in price, for me at least, was significant. The BrickVault set cost me 85 euros including instructions while the official set cost me 165 euros. Almost double the price. For me it was absolutely worth it and the official set is considerably bigger with more pieces. But it's undeniable it is also considerably more expensive so for a more budget friendly alternative I do think the BrickVault Ornithopter is a very good option. Personally I love both. The BrickVault set was my first Lego Ornithopter and building was a magical experience. But yeah the Lego set imo is just better in almost every way and like the OP, if I had to choose which one to keep it would be the Lego set and I wouldn't think twice about it. Hope anyone found this useful as a sort of second opinion from someone who also owns both sets.

[@_worldx_]

Great video mate! Enjoyed watching it and thank you for the nice comparison :)

[@Mrstealth93]

Accuracy is always something thats difficult to achieve down to being 100% with a Lego model without sacrificing structural quality. I do think i agree on the official lego set being the winner here. Additionally, when i built the set, i had made sure to gather up enough parts from my collection to replace all the exposed red, yellow and blue pieces with exclusively black and light grey colored counterparts of the same pieces for a more realistic color pattern. Of course, all the inner mechanism parts, like the white linkage arms raising and lowering the ramp got to remain as they were, given i dont have pieces in good enough condition to replace them. Although, i personally have experienced a bit of a flaw with the set. The dark grey 2x3 plate right behind the wing flap trigger is a bit of a oversight, given it keeps getting pushed loose by the trigger. I might try and redesign the frame there to make a little more room for the trigger so it doesn`t push the plate loose.

[@Erafune]

Dayum I have resisted buying LEGO as an adult but this thing just seems like the best LEGO set ever created. Mechanical marvel, and it doesnt fall apart.

[@seanmawson296]

The official Lego set can be easily modified to cover up those technic bricks, so that also mitigates the coloured bricks in the mechanism.

[@atomicflip]

Dude why haven’t you posted more videos like this? Really excellent review. You narrate well and the backdrop / flow of production is obviously well done. You gotta do more if you can, I’ll watch and am sure others would too!

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

@@atomicflip Thank you! I decided to make this comparison because there were no others, leading to its unique subject and high quality nature to succeed. I do plan to make other videos akin to it but only if the subject is worth the production. For example a MOC I'm really proud of would get a video

[@atomicflip]

@@Emperor_mtn_Dew well here’s to hoping for more! I watch plenty of independent content producers and you’re genuinely good. I’ve subbed so if you post I should find it eventually. 😅

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

@@atomicflip I have a full movie in the makes... stay tuned!

[@tld8102]

I think this is the new standard for lego sets.

[@yarnx14]

this review is so serious and intense I am literally sweating

[@ThePigeon5734]

Last year I made a perfect U-wing by mixing custom elements with Brickvault's and another model I bought the instructions for, the best of all worlds. You could do the same here.

[@JuliendeGreling]

will try

[@Satellence]

Definitely an official set. But I would try to customize the interior as much as possible

[@ItsCookieOG]

Derek from BAM. I love the video! Crazy that you were able to keep the brick vault one together

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Thank you! It was a feat for it to not crumble before the camera

[@jonasfermefors]

Great first review! If they were priced similarly I would still choose the Lego model even though I'm more interested in display than play. The play features are really cool but I don't see myself using them much, so it's not the most obvious choice but on the other hand I wouldn't be using the interior much either. It's mostly about overall looks and the Brick Vault model is just not as polished. The clinchers for me are the cockpit shaping and to a lesser degree the tail.

[@tigerbesteverything]

you forgot something: the brickvault version is minifigure scale, meaning it's scaling accurately to lego minifigs, rendering the model way larger than the vehicle is actually. all in all, brickvault details and interior against lego shapes and cockpit (plus the minifigs included).

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

I've done some measurements, taking a minifure as 6' tall, the ornithopter is to scale with its movie counterpart

[@tigerbesteverything]

@@Emperor_mtn_Dew yes but minifigs are way wider, and that's how it can be scaled.

[@cmw12]

I agree. This is one time where the official set outdoes the custom one. Impressive, Lego.

[@ausgibb]

i wish i had the pieces to modify the ornithopter to get rid of some of the color pieces

[@Insert.name.here747]

Please make more of these great reviews!!!

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

I inevitably will

[@mvl71]

I may have a more unbiased opinion just _because_ I've never read the books or saw the movies. I'm just looking at them as two Lego models trying to look the same. The official Lego model looks very polished, even if you didn't know what it should look like. It's clear to see that a lot of thought went into the design. Personally I just love the blend of SF with technical stuff, but I appreciate that that's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't really _mind_ the colored spots but it would have been neater all round if they stuck with black or grey. Still, it doesn't bother me. Dune fans will probably disagree, and as fans they do have a point. That other model though... The other one looks like it's made out of several parts from other sets that were lying around. If the latter one was cobbled together by an enthousiastic 12 year old I'd give him or her a prize because for something that is made out of spare parts it looks awesome. But not for an expensive set. I'd expect more for that kind of money. The official Lego model is just _better_ in my opinion. Perhaps I should read the books and watch the movies and then come back here, but for now, overall, the official Lego model wins this round.

[@tardifan]

First of all as someone who has built both models: I *highly* doubt a 12 yo could design something as intricate and complex as the BrickVault Ornithopter. Second it is worth noting that Brickvault is not a company like Lego. What they do is they take Fan designed sets (like the Ornithopter) and release instructions guides for them as well as a parts list. What they charge for is *just* the instruction guide. The rest of the cost is the parts you have to buy yourself on Bricklink. But they do not receive a single cent of that. In fact you could just buy the instruction guide and never built the actual thing. That wouldn't make a difference to them. The other thing that is worth noting is that it looks like it's made of spare paerts from other sets that were lying around *because it is* The Brickvault Ornithopter came out *two whole years* before the official set and for they offical set they invented a whole bunch of new pieces that LITTERALLY DIDN'T EXIST YET when the Brickvault set came out. This is a fan whose design got picked up by Brickvault who charged (imo) pretty reasonable price for the instruction guide. And I'm super glad they did because back when that set came out there was never a guarantee that an offical Lego set would surface. So it was either that or design your own Ornithopter and honestly, I doubt I could have done as great a job as Moko (the designer of the Brickvault set) Yes I agree, the offical set is better. I had more fun building it, it's sturdier and it looks more impressive. But also were comparing a team of professional designers with the ability to create new parts out of the blue vs one normal Lego fan who had to make do with what Lego had on offer at the time.

[@reckage668]

what i want is the lego set but in harkonnen black. and a premade kit to change all the red/yellow/blue bit to black. and maybe a set of instruction to make the harkonnen command beetle.

[@noah.blackwood]

I'm hoping to have both. I have the Brickvault version and I'm looking for the official one

[@angelakaleen666]

so, I just wanna say MY GOD YOUR BUILD IS AMASING!! I LOVE IT, but I think i would rather get the official Lego one insted because it's less bulky up front and in the cockpit, and I would much MUCH rather modify it myself. I don't like the colored Technik parts either, so if I got that set I would modifiy it to fix that, AKA it's ONLY problem in my eyes.

[@gregoriusthewise626]

Great review, very thorough

[@JLikesStarWars]

This is a really good idea for a video

[@cryonix8773]

Real cool! Great comparison video on the differences between these two types of builds. Truly remarkable.

[@kadenbirch]

I like the brickVault one, but IMO the official lego one is the clear winner.

[@AFT3RDAY5]

Nice comparison 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I get the Lego one for my birthday 🤩👍🏻

[@TheOneandOnlyDuck]

Having built both, I picked the Brick Vault model. The exterior and interior detail is great. Yes, there are inaccuracies, but the amount of detail and cohesion in the design makes up for it. The official set is good, but it sacrifices too much for that wing functionality. It's a Technic set first. The BV model is a UCS set.

[@tardifan]

I also built both and while I personally prefer the Lego set I completely get where you're comoing from and seeing some of the comments here about the Brickvault set is pretty heartbreaking who absolutely loves that set. I have both of them proudly on display.

[@igglepiggle1215]

Brick vault model looks like shit

[@neilgibbs3880]

I’m fortunate enough to own the official one. It’s a really beautiful kit but the red,blue and yellow bits really annoyed me. So I just replaced them all with black and grey official bricks. It looks so much better and wins by far.

[@neonpop80]

Just ordered this beauty. I may like the look of it even more than the movie's

[@christrees664]

Remove the tail from the brick vault on and can call it Rabbans ornithopter. It had no tail and was a very stout round design

[@gray1013]

If you just modify the cockpit interior of the official one, then you get the best of both worlds.

[@genreonlinenet]

You should check out the official ornithopter statue distributed by Dark Horse Direct. I have it and love it.

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

I don't like it's look, it's $200 and still has a support post. I'll get the larger MENG model kit when it comes out

[@genreonlinenet]

@@Emperor_mtn_Dew every statue has a base. It is meant for display. Not play. What is MENG?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

@@genreonlinenet MENG is a model kit company

[@genreonlinenet]

@@Emperor_mtn_Dew okay. Thank you for answering my questions.

[@GatchamanG4]

The offical Lego build.

[@Procyon14]

Where did you get the gordon freeman minifg?I can't find it on aliexpress

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Should still be on amazon

[@bojandimitrieskimilenkovic9226]

Absolutely the official Lego set.

[@mitchf.4450]

Combine them both minus the moving parts and create the perfect replica/model

[@GigaChad-ih8si]

3:32 thats anakin skywalker in the backseat

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

No that's Paul but with accurate hair

[@definingslawek4731]

Where did you get the tiny ornithopter model?

[@mikey6020]

Meng Models make both the Harkonnen and Atreides versions as well as a spice crawler. The 'thopters are about 1/144 scale. Depending on where you are in the world you should be able to find them at your LHS otherwise eBay, Amazon, Hobbyeasy, Luckymodel, etc. Cheers 👍

[@koiyujo1543]

I just watch dune last saturday I went nuts with the f**king movie it's a must see if you haven't seen the first

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Villnueves movies are two of my favorite works of cinema I've ever experienced. Easily top 5

[@skrumy70]

I want both

[@bertnl530]

I would like the LEGO one. Problem however where to put it when the wings are folded out. My livingroom is quite narrow. I am 59, ghe ghe ghe.

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

I've seen wall mounts for it, makes it very majestic

[@skrumy70]

Isn’t the brick vault one a kit of the regular orthothopter while the lego is of the royal one?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

There is no difference, you could be confusing it for the Harkkonen model

[@skrumy70]

The brick vault one looks like the one that Duncan Idaho took off in

[@o0junglist0o93]

What's with the stupid red and blue bits?????

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

No clue, LEGO is weird sometimes

[@tardifan]

@@Emperor_mtn_Dew I actually have an answer for that. The techic axles are color coded based on the amount of friction they can handle. This is why the set uses a number of red and blue axles and why I would advise against replacing them with differently colored pieces. (although I'm not sure how bad the damage would be or how long it would take to manifest)

[@soleenzo893]

Brickvault need to have their lodel reworked. the fuselage is too wide and too short. making the craft's general proportions waaaay off

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Agreed

[@BenCostello-w3h]

Why does he sound so much like Quinn’s Ideas?

[@Snqtcher]

OH MY GOD IS THAT GORDON FREEMAN 😮

[@Photinus1]

Where can I get the small ornithopter you use for reference?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Amazon, MENG model ornithopter. They'll be releasing a larger one later down the line

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

If this thing looks and works like a firefly and not a bird, why is it called an "ornithopter" when it should be called an odonathopter (odona being the order of fireflies in the animal kingdom)?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Onithopter simply means something that Flys like an animal, the ornithopters in dune fly like dragonflies

[@bingobongo9521]

Why Lego has to include blue and red pins in many of it’s models remains a mystery to me. Yes, I know, it's supposed to make it easier to build the "complicated" models. It just looks ugly. Nevertheless, it's one of the most beautiful models that Lego has brought out in recent years.

[@f1rstedition752]

Did you paint the LEGO 6370532 BEAM 1X2X4, W/ CROSS & HOLE black or did you order them somewhere?:)

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

No I used multiple pieces to create it, it might not be as solid but looks much better than the white. If it becomes a problem I might use the kragle on it

[@f1rstedition752]

I see, thank you very much for the explanation. Guess I‘ll try the same :) Greetings from Germany

[@apricebcd]

I purchased the Lego one for the display accuracy

[@NameGueSapeYe]

ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ Whoa..

[@dorothydeese2048]

How did you get the font for making the dune logo

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Copy paste

[@RPRsChannel]

*_Huhh....I can't remember a BrickVault version being so....lackluster?....poorly made? Not sure what to think of this, could a 5,000 piece be on the way soon?_* *_Are you saying this set has pieces that no other set has and one can not buy said pieces outside this official set?_*

[@tardifan]

As someone who has built the BV set (looking at it right now in fact) I can say it does not look lacklustre in the slightest. It is fewer pieces than the official set and it could have been bigger (though it's honestly not *that* much smaller) but making it 5.000 piece would be utterly ridiculous. Especially if you want to keep it minifig size. With regards to the pieces. This is literally impossible given how Brickvault works. They are not a competitor to Lego, they take fan designs and in collaboration with the designer make instruction guides for that design and sell them for a modest price (allong with a parts list you can upload to Brickvault) all of their design consists of 100% official Lego pieces. So the reverse is actually true. Because the BV Ornithopter design came out two years before the official one there were less pieces available to use because they invented a bunch of new pieces for the official Lego set.

[@Birs_84]

In my opinion the official model just has two cons. First the colored pins and bricks. Why, Lego? Why? I guess that can be fixed by everybody himself. The second thing is all those open ... how do you call those nupsies on top of the bricks where you put other bricks on top? The inofficial model uses many tiles to cover those parts and makes the whole model much much smoother. But I guess that also could be fixed with some additional tiles. So, yes I would also prefer the Lego model. Finally, a word about the cockpits. While the inofficial one may not be acurate, I think it looks better than the original. I like that bulky design.

[@hextechgunblade7666]

why everyone loves the official one so much? it doesnt even look close like the movie one when i saw it i was like LOOL how could they fuck it up so much and then noticed everyone loves it, just why?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

It's far better than Brick Vault's, plus people like the functionality over accuracy

[@andreasd.8511]

The blue dot Projekt 😂

[@haxxormcbunny7456]

Yea- no I think there’s a pretty clear winner here

[@JLikesStarWars]

How did you type the font in the title?

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Copy paste

[@shroomzzz]

Playback speed 1.5x....you're welcome!

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Cope harder

[@red-hot]

@@Emperor_mtn_Dew lol no your reply is coping what

[@lucahermann3040]

Wait, how did you do the ⊃∪∩∈ lettering in the video title? That's not something you can just type out.

[@harrasika]

Same as you; copied it from the internet. These all are symbols used in math

[@lucahermann3040]

@@harrasika No, while I used symbols from set theory to create the font, the symbols in the video title seem to be slightly different, at least the ones for D and E. In set theory there's no symbol for a subset with a dash, so I had to either spell it ⊃∪∩∈ using the element symbol or ⊃∪∩⪽ using subset with dot. Not sure if the ∪ and ∩ are the same, but the ⊃ also definitely looks different.

[@sornreed]

Combine the two 👌🏻

[@AndiAls]

Lego schon wieder mit farbseuche

[@i_likedoom1244]

6:01 is that Gordon Freeman ? What is he doing there ? Is he stupid ?

[@nicklockk]

I think the cockpit shape is THE WORST THING on the official model. It looks nothing like the movies version, in my eyes. Crazy how different our perspectives are on this. It's so obviously wrong to me.

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

It's far far better than the Brick vault one, plus it's LEGO, I'm an expert with the system and really didn't see any other way besides creating new molds

[@Manyayeepz]

“Erm I’m an expert” please be quiet.

[@nerdtoys2938]

Less light please.

[@cloarsdiaz3004]

This time lego gets the win no question too bad they cannot seem to make pro contructions for horizon zero dawn a lost lego opportunity for the big money I would say other guys are making the bigger and cooler models using lego howeber lego only makes small scale pricey sets.

[@legolas8038]

The Lego ornithopter ist the best set I build. For me no1

[@michaeldetana3666]

Dr Kynes is also not a woman in the books…

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

@@michaeldetana3666 Oh the calamity, they changed the gender of a side character! This ruins the entire movie!

[@buddhabrot]

so the official is better in almost any single way, but there is no clear winner? coward.

[@Emperor_mtn_Dew]

Watch the whole damn video before commenting, numb nuts