Brig

Today we're visiting the ship's brig!
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[@willymccoy3427]

When I was on the aircraft carrier USS Lexington (CVT-16) in the mid 70s, if you got put in the ship's brig, your division had to send people to stand bring watch over you. In addition to their normal other duties. So, if you got sent to the brig, you just added to your buddies work load and they were usually not pleased with you because of it.

[@IHUTCHI]

BRILLIANT IDEA! Better than a blanket party by far.

[@jerredwayne8401]

I visited your ship 2 years ago and watched a 4th of July fireworks display sitting right on the numbers on the flight deck! Definitely will be going back

[@reelreeler8778]

yep.....was Gator Navy and I remember one of the knuckleheads in my division (R) got brig time, and we had to stand additional brig watch

[@MrJeep75]

My dad was on lady lex in the early 60's

[@redram5150]

Sounds like a great idea to prevent recidivism

[@yes_head]

Ryan, you usually ask questions like "What's your favorite name for a battleship?" in these videos. But I guess you opted not to here because it would be something like "Were you ever in the brig? Tell us about it!" :-D

[@josephstevens9888]

I like the concept of the drunk tank. When I was a First Sergeant, I can remember several times when such a facility would have come into good use!

[@MrSheckstr]

I was in the engineers (heavy equipment) and our first sergeant used the buckets of our scrapers for drunk tanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqmykqd8gseUe6s

[@josephstevens9888]

@@MrSheckstr Now that was an innovative use of heavy equipment by your First Shirt!

[@demonprinces17]

In germany turned the break room into one, only 1st sgt I seen relived in 20 years, next guy turned it into a class room that was always locked never used as we already had one

[@rileymannion5301]

I would definitely recommend a lapele microphone, they're relatively inexpensive and would really help with the echo problem inside the ship, make sure to get one with some foam or fur around the mic so wind noise isn't a problem either

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

We've got several! But if you're looking to help outfit the channel, we're always accepting donations at battleshipnewjersey.org/videofund

[@tomscotttheolderone364]

@@BattleshipNewJersey :)

[@douglasparkinson4123]

@@tomscotttheolderone364 oh look its tom scott. how often do people confuse you and the guy in the red shirt?

[@peterguillermo4513]

@Grey Malachi Instablaster =)

[@peterguillermo4513]

@Grey Malachi Glad I could help :)

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

I've worked in isolated camps in Canada - in the 90's and last winter. One secret about camp life is that there is a straight jacket. We don't have a brig, but from time to time, someone loses it, and that necessitates restraint until they can be flown out. I've never been in camp when it was used, but I had one former colleague who had to be removed from camp in that fashion. In camps, people can be removed by air every few weeks, but at sea I imagine removing someone might be very difficult even for months. I'm surprised that any big ship would remove their brig.

[@luacreskid]

We had 50 Marines on board CVA-42. In the mid-sixties they tended the brig. I had several sailors in my Division (B) get NJP at Captain's Mast, As Division Officer I would drop in on them once in a while. When the Marine on duty would see my kahki pants on the ladder as I came down feet first, of course, they would call Attention on Deck. The 2-10 prisioners would come to attention in their cells. The place was spotless. Deck was wire brushedd to look like stainless steel and the Marine colors were everywhere. They kept a tight ship. Prisoners ate in the crew's mess in a group...again, 2,3,4,or 5 at a time with their trays up to their chests. And marching fast as they called out....Gang way, prisoners.

[@derekmurray1462]

Is it true that sailors , shall I say really dislike marines? I’ve seen it portrayed that way in a few movies

[@Dave-in-MD]

@@derekmurray1462 Not at all. I spent 20 years in the Navy. Everyone has their own job, sailor and Marine. Of course we joke with each other. Jar Head, Squid. Things like that.

[@derekmurray1462]

@@Dave-in-MD thanks for your information Dave, I have a lot of interest in US military history and also respect for the service men and veterans, I hope some day to travel from Ireland and visit some of the museum ships on display.

[@Youtubeparolee]

That’s the way it was on the Saratoga.

[@phcusnret]

May not be able to break the mirror to use as a weapon, but those springs and slats from the rack would make some pretty dangerous ones.

[@johnknapp952]

It's basically up to the ships Captain what each space on a ship is used for, time, practicality, and ships budget withstanding. So over the course of a ships life a space could go from being a supply room to a brig/holding cell to a weight room.

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

God how hated having the brig watch when I was on a carrier and a couple of squadron mates got into a knife fight. The watch had to be a First Class and was six hours. We had the watch until we pulled into a port that was near a Naval base and IIRC it was Naples. The last I heard was that had a court martialed shipped back to the states and were busting rocks in Leavenworth with a five year sentence.

[@dinklehimerschlitz9111]

I remember a certain AD2 in my squadron , in the 80's was punished by being permanent duty officer in our ready room on a certain aircraft carrier. He threw someone thru a plate glass window in Germany (north Atlantic cruise) and didn't debark for over a year. Kept him out of the brig.

[@RodCornholio]

You mean he was on board about 365 days, like no shore leave or whatever?

[@bostonrailfan2427]

NJP at its finest...

[@moodberry]

I was AWOL from my ship for three days while it was in port. I turned myself in and found out that they didn't even know I was gone! I received a Captain's mast, and had to do some extra duty days. But no brig time.

[@siegfriedarmory6271]

Rookie move, outed yourself. Should have just come back and acted like nothing happened, waited to see if anybody knew.

[@pressftopayrespects6325]

How is that even possible? Did they not have musters for when getting underway?

[@byronharano2391]

"I award you three days bread and water."

[@MR2Davjohn]

That would just put him in the infirmary, which would give him that much more time off.

[@tindjin07]

Thanks Ryan. This is the kind of stuff we were suggesting on FB. Especially stuff about the fresh water toilet. I bet most guys who served on Iowa class ships didn't even know about that.

[@34scot]

I can tell you no one I served with on the Big J or Mighty Mo are going to drink out of the toilet... just saying. We might get drunk at times, but not that drunk!

[@demonprinces17]

It was to keep the prisoner from drinking salt water

[@KutWrite]

I was Legal Officer aboard the USS Blue RIdge & never knew about the fresh water toilet factor. Our brig was usually just used overnight for drunk or disorderly sailors (sometimes both, of course).

[@Zephyrmec]

Sailors drunk and disorderly? No, say it ain’t so! That’s unbelievable!

[@WootTootZoot]

In the cells, you had a coffee can to piss in, and they let you out twice a day to empty your piss can and take a dump. I was in USAF Security Police, and several times had to go into the Navy Base to retrieve prisoners. In one situation, they had to isolate a guy in the brig on a ship at the base because he was so violent and aggressive towards guys in the other cells. It was a hoot getting him out of the cell and then off the ship. Marine guards weren't very gentle LOL.

[@tombrown6628]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mike89128]

You may have been at Charleston. I was having coffee one night with a couple of friends at Charleston when a Shore Patrol and security police came in and sat with us. We got around to examining the night sticks of both parties. The USAF was shiny, and smooth as a baby's bottom. On the other hand the shore patrol was splintered, nicked, gouged and was generally beat up. We got a good laugh about it.

[@WootTootZoot]

@@mike89128 Cool story Bro. It was Guam. I used a double ended fiberglass riot stick. They don't get nicked and dented. Don't kid yourself, Navy shore patrol and USAF town patrol night sticks were beat up from being thrown around, they didn't get that way beating on people. I worked town patrol many times and knew Marine MP's and Navy MA's, none of them carried splinted, nicked and gouged sticks.

[@jasoncarswell7458]

@@WootTootZoot I'm seeing two totally different stories with people seeing things both ways... let's have a discussion on the subject!

[@max_archer]

@@WootTootZoot Yeah I'd think if anything the dents and scrapes probably came from being used on and around ships where they'd get smacked into sharp metal things all the time while on the belt or whatever.

[@WarpFactor999]

Ah yes, Ryan spending some quality time in the ship's brig!

[@jeffhoward9186]

I don’t know about the New Jersey, but every carrier I was on from 1988 to 2008 had a Brig and it was used. Remember seeing the prisoners coming up for chow. It was a form of non-judicial punishment, normally it was restriction and the brig was the last option for a short duration not to exceed 30 days. If the person committed a felony (murder) they were arrested by NCIS and taken to a shore established brig to await a court martial. The brig came under the Master at Arms and was staffed by them, unless they required additional man-power. When we had a MARDET (Marines) they were their for security and did not take care of the brig. They took care of the Captain, Special Weapons, and any addition requirements, but that changed when the Marines stop providing this security. The Master-at-Arms did.

[@jimwjohnq.public]

The carrier I was on had the red line brig ran by the Marines. Did not want to wind up there.

[@KutWrite]

@Jeff: Same on the USS Blue Ridge in the early 70s. Some NJP recipients had to sleep in the brig, and got special work details during working hours. They had almost shorn heads and garb that said "Prisoner." Sometimes a Marine with a baton accompanied them to the chow line.

[@robertbeaty4909]

The brig on the USS Dixie AD-14 was used for storage until one of the Deck Apes decided to go swimming with the wet garbage. Fool thought he could get kicked out of the Navy that way. Myself....I spent 3 days bread and water in the brig at 32nd St. San Diego for going UA while on restriction. It was worth it, I was restricted through Christmas and New Years.

[@JoshuaTootell]

I got masted and restricted to the ship for two weeks. 12 of those days were underway. I don't think the CO was happy with the charges I got 🤣

[@aquilarossa5191]

12 years worth of sea days for me. Crews of 45-60 at sea for seven weeks or so at a time. Never saw anybody have to be locked up. A few had to be dropped off though. Mostly noobs breaking from tiredness and then refusing to work etc. Usually transfer them to a ship that is heading into port. People who worked at sea for years are the ones who quickly learned to overcome tiredness and get that second wind every watch. It's more about mental strength than anything else really. I do not know what a massive ship would be like. On a ship that rolls around and pitches enough to experience weightlessness, just being at sea takes it out of people and then there is the work itself. For you navy plebs I guess that would be being on a frigate in big seas. Hehe. The most important thing after mental strength is lots of good food. Having bad stewards sucks. Good money and officers not being asshats helps too.

[@yanni2112]

12 yrs Navy for me.

[@clarkeugene5727]

Staying in for those 12 years displays your pride and commitment. Thanks for serving.

[@JoshuaTootell]

My last ship had a crew of about 160 on a 378' long ship. I think we locked up one guy, though we didn't have anywhere proper to lock him up. I don't even know where they did it, never looked it up. But he was dropped off in San Diego shortly after he was caught with a gallon bag of XTC.

[@DarkestVampire92]

Good to know you have a chair to think over what you've done when you assisted your former Captain in breaking the treaty of Algeran through secret testing of a Federation cloaking device.

[@neonhomer]

Algeron, 2311

[@aikimechanic]

Holy fuck, get in touch with real life.

[@tombrown6628]

The Marines could also make life miserable for anyone in the brig, adding to the general discomfort of being locked up, reduced rations etc.

[@ieuanhunt552]

I suspect the social stigma attached to having been sent to the brig would be a big part of the punishment.

[@ChadBIsRacing]

The Marines can make brushing your teeth miserable. 😁

[@tracerfacer6234]

Any potential Navy recruit should consider the fact that the brig doesn't look that much different from the rest of the ship. 😂

[@KutWrite]

Why there's little need for a brig is explained by a quote from Samuel Johnson: "Being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of drowning."

[@christophertipton2318]

During WWII, the Navy and Marine Corps came under the predecessor of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) called Articles for the Government of the Navy (aka: The Rocks and Shoals). The Army came under a different set of regulations called the Articles of War. Things were very different then and trips to the brig on bread and water (aka: piss and punk) were very frequent and very unpleasant. Brig prisoners often did hard labor during the day, including breaking big rocks into gravel if there was nothing else hard for them to do (they were still breaking rocks at the brig when I was in boot camp. Saw them doing it in 1971 wearing leg shackles). However, unlike today with the UCMJ, trips to the brig did not necessarily hurt your career very badly and there was a time limit that those sentences at Captain's Mast (or Office Hours in the Marines) could stay in your record. Court Martial sentences stayed longer, if not permanently. There was very little social stigma to having brig time. My dad was a WWII Marine and he did two trips to the brig. One for seven days (for being three days overleave - passenger trains ran late and he had letters from stationmasters verifying he was on time to catch his scheduled trains. Without those letters he probably would have gotten 30-days) and another for three days for being 15-minutes late to morning muster. Neither kept him from being promoted to corporal shortly after the three day visit. During his seven day visit, they took him out of the brig to award him a Bronze Star for valor at Saipan, then stuck him right back in to finish his time. I have a photo of his award ceremony that has his brig chaser (guard) standing behind him in the shot. Marine brigs were red line brigs in those days, and were actually up to 1971. Camp Pendleton had the last red line brig in the Corps. Boot camp was fun compared to a red line. Very strict and beatings with night sticks common.

[@tonyperotti9212]

I think the UCMJ still gives the CO the ability to sentence offenders to X days in the brig on bread and water. I know it did back in the 80's. I seem to remember a crewmate being sentenced to the brig at SUBBASE New London CT with that diet. I remember walking past the brig seeing the prisoners breaking rocks as part of their hard labor sentence.

[@davidschick6951]

Bread and water was banned during the Trump administration. Even then, it was only legal when attached to or embarked upon a Naval vessel.

[@johnslaughter5475]

I wasn't the best behaved drunk when I'd return to ship. Most of our divisions maintained Drunk Watches in the compartment. These were just guys who weren't in the liberty section, any way. There was one time I came back from liberty in Olongapo, P.I. I was in sorry state. It took 3 to help me undress, 2 to support me while I took a leak, and all 3 to get me in my rack. I had a top rack. No thoughts of the brig, holding cells, whatever. We took care of our own. When you've been at sea for a month, or more, it's natural to let off some steam your first night in port.

[@kipter]

I'm pretty sure regardless of salt water or fresh if you drank toilet water from the brig of a ship you'd get sick either way.

[@jimjames8960]

These videos are fantastic. Thank you for making them.

[@7983usmc]

A video on the Marine Detachment!

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Check this out kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3rTpZSdd7Z7qMk

[@Finallybianca]

I work in a call center that brig looks like a better working environment

[@KutWrite]

Haha!

[@abaddon4823]

My uncle was a marine working in the brig on the USS Forrestal when she caught fire.

[@charletonzimmerman4205]

Actor "STEVE McQUEEN", served in the Marines & served time, on a Navy ship 1950, & served "BRIG TIME", MA's, put him to work, removing, ASBESTOS, on a Brig detail, Mr. McQueen, died a horrible death, in 1980, from that.

[@KutWrite]

Geez. I never made that connection. A friend died of lung cancer, probably from asbestos he encountered during the demolition of the old Balboa (San Diego) Naval Hospital. Who knows how many others suffered from that project? He was an engineer/planner, not even a (de)construction worker.

[@jasoncarswell7458]

It's extremely rare to get mesothelioma from a short, intense exposure: normally you get it from a job that involves close contact with asbestos over many years of work. Smoking increases the risk by roughly 500%. McQueen had smoked heavily for over 30 years when he was diagnosed. Truth is that everybody who served on a Navy ship until the 80s had some degree of asbestos exposure, because the stuff was wrapped around pipes in all corners of the poorly-ventilated ships. Everybody was breathing it 24/7. The fact that *more* Navy men from WW2 died of things *other* than mesothelioma should tell you something about the generalized risk levels. You're far more likely to get the regular kind of lung cancer from a lifetime spent smoking, for example.

[@KutWrite]

@@jasoncarswell7458: Yeah, and sailors got free cigarettes on deployment. Asbestos pipe lagging wouldn't be a problem unless it was peeling off or you were removing it.

[@breckfoster767]

Asbestos only attacks you when you start attacking it.

[@Gunbudder]

My grandpa knew the brig well! He was busted back to E-2 twice lol. the only thing that saved him from serious deep shit was that the captain liked him and he made the captain laugh (and his station was on the bridge with the captain right there). When you punch an MP in the face or tell a Chief to go fuck himself though, there is only so easy a captain is willing to go haha.

[@missyd0g2]

We need a pledge campaign to get Ryan out of the brig. Or maybe.....

[@BaronVonHobgoblin]

Does the Navy have a concept of "Extra Duty". In the Army anyone who has messed up would often have to report to Staff Duty after the work day and do additional work into the night, like "area beatification", while everyone else got a chance to head back to the barracks and relax prior to the next day. Did sailors who messed up have their watches reassigned to less desirable duties or was there no real equivalent of "Extra Duty" when the ship was underway?

[@mandelorean6243]

... And here I've been under the impression the brig was exclusively used on star ship enterprise as well as other warp speeders

[@clydecessna737]

My friend's father served on a Royal Navy ship during the Korean War. One day he was sent to the Brig where another sailor was already incarcerated. After the door was locked my friend's father found that the other sailor was crying. "Why are you crying?" he asked, "because I'm in here." replied the sailor. "Are you kidding?" replied my friend's father, "here it is nice and warm, we get three meals a day and we do not have to work on the cold an miserable deck."

[@eliotheasman5378]

You do great work

[@tommytfaa]

I enjoy these videos. On many I notice the speaker is focused on. I think this is fine but I am sure many of us would like to see the entire space. Could you pan around and show it while you are talking?

[@screens1979]

I was in the Marines but stayed out of the brig 😬 I heard there would be a red line on the deck and when you were going, say to the head, if you stepped off it the guards would interpret that as an attempt to escape and you would be beaten. 😖

[@tommytfaa]

@@screens1979 funny on the Ranger there was an old guard cage to a specific ammo magazine that had a red line on the floor. It was unmanned in 92.... I was told it was where the nukes were stored and that a Marine would stand guard in the cage. If you crossed the red line blamo..... not sure if true or not just sharing

[@msgstar4933]

Man this one the one question I couldn’t be bothered to ask for a video and it popped up, great stuff man! I asked about the brig when I did the back of house tour on the royal caribbean symphony of the seas. They didn’t like my question about anti piracy equipment. Chumps. Quality channel. Thanks for your work. To be a critic, not this video, but when in the confined spaces, you can hear the camera mans breathing, (video with escape tunnel); I think.

[@axelrajr]

could be that the brig was too large for their needs. the Brig on Truman was tucked away in a relatively small area of deck 3 that was only accessible from deck 2. never went down there, but judging by the hull framing above it, i dont think it was as big as your Brig with a much larger crew.

[@marks6663]

The entire ship is itself a jail if you think about it. The brig is what you would call solitary.

[@apenza4304]

Last place I’d want to be during an order like “Abandon ship”.

[@davidschick6951]

I've seen the brig on USS MIDWAY as a visitor.

[@ChrisEpler]

If I got locked up in there everything would start tasting like mint with those damn walls!

[@robertbeaty4909]

Peas, that would be Navy Pea Green.

[@annieworroll4373]

I wonder what the exact POW arrangments were? They weren't in custody for misconduct, obviously. They were behaving appropriately(I imagine the brig might be used if there was reasonable suspicion of war crimes), and escape would be a fairly small concern compared to POWs on the land, but that I'd be worried about one of them deciding they can open up another front in the war. I remember a bit of my training for POW handling, but the assumption was that Marines would only be capturing POWs on land, not at sea.

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

During WWII, the battleship picked up quite a few POWs, generally they were given a rack in enlisted berthing and allowed access to regular crew spaces like mess. They were only on board for a few days before being transferred elsewhere, they were usually downed pilots.

[@spaghetti9845]

"Other forms of punishment" - Bring back flogging or keel hauling.

[@paddyjoe1884]

And what time of day would this flogging take place? By any chance would it be early in the morning?

[@spaghetti9845]

01:00 wake the entire crew. Them being pissed off at him for that would be worse than the other 2 punishments I mentioned.

[@tommytfaa]

Bread and water I remember a guy getting that on the Ranger...

[@MrJeep75]

My dad was on the ranger in the early 60's

[@joshuahudson2170]

@Aussie Pom Hmmm a knife and plenty of rope. What would they do if they found the guy on top of the bow sprit the next day?

[@kennethwise7108]

Our CO often gave 3 days bread and water as punishment

[@skibob6]

I know this is an older video, but have you considered getting a lepel Mic? I think it would really help improve the quality of your videos considering most of them are in confined spaces w/horrible acoustics.

[@KutWrite]

...and a spare for if that one breaks or you do an interview! They're only about $30.

[@bernieeod57]

WW2, Korea, and Viet Nam had people who really did not want to be there. So such punishments were needed. Once the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a major drawdown. If you did not want to be there, you were gone! After the Gulf War and to this day, it is hard to enlist and once in, difficult to stay in. For a while, the Navy's motto was "Perform to serve! If you don't perform! You don't serve!" Today, from the moment you graduate from basic training, the Navy is looking for an excuse to kick you out. One Sailor was denied re enlistment for simply being married. There were only so many openings for re enlistment within his NEC and the unmarried had top priority for them. Not the same Navy. You don't need a brig when only those who not only want to be there but actually have to fight to remain there are on board. MM1 USNR (Ret) Active 1977-1990. Reserve 1990- 2002

[@stephenmayer9228]

4 people didn't enjoy their time in the brig.

[@Lagniappe.]

Working in corrections, its definitely cool to see what it's like to be detained in jail. Definitely night and day from how offenders are treated now.

[@darcywiley5096]

Were the brigs removed from the other ships in the class, or was it only done on the New Jersey?

[@andrewj9831]

I'm thinking the brig was downsized from what was needed in WW2 vs. in the 1980's. Smaller crew size, able to chopper people off, etc. I think all ships that was upgraded in the 80's, got the same. Mostly what the crew needed, changed (beds hanging from the ceiling to now the pods), to comfort/RR things.

[@Hiiiiii74]

@@andrewj9831 Also having an all volunteer crew in Vietnam and the 80s/90s would have improved the willingness of the crew to behave ;P

[@MrSheckstr]

I’m guessing it would have been a fleet wide directive or at the very least a ship class wide directive. Getting rid of a brig to the point you gut it out completely seem to be to broad a decision to simply be the purview of just the CURRENT commanding officer. Even if you argue that’s within the officer’s privilege (I would disagree) gutting it without fleet approval certainly would encroach on the NEXT commanding officer’s privilege

[@paladinsix9285]

@@MrSheckstr Captains in command of a ship, are second only to God. Of course, how they use their discretionary budget will be reflected on their FitRep...

[@davy1458]

Ah...i see you answered my last question with a video a long time ago.

[@xRepoUKx]

Subs: "Hi, I'm Ryan Smith", well that's certainly easier to spell!

[@firearmsstudent]

EMI scooping the poop out of the nonfunctioning toilets while in the yards was enough to deter bad behavior... brig use is rare

[@marksayers3721]

I don’t know if you covered it you may have but there were also Marines stationed on board the battleships and aircraft carriers this is something might wanna talk about also were there Birthing Arias shared with navy personnel

[@stevecooper2873]

He did do a video on the MARine DETail areas, with some of the artwork, etc remaining.

[@MarkGeraghty]

Ryan you should use the brig for tourists who steal stuff.

[@robinblankenship9234]

During combat, if the ship is badly damaged and “abandon ship” is ordered, are the people in the brig released or left to drown? Also, in today’s mixed gender Navy, is there a separate brig space for females?

[@studinthemaking]

Just like on submarines. You just hold your breath till you come back up.

[@gage5484]

I assume if such an order was given, the guard would let out whoever was in the brig.

[@arthurjenkins9757]

This ain't the titanic they got the keys lol

[@skydiverclassc2031]

One infamous historical incident occurred when the Royal Navy ship 'Pandora' transported several prisoners from the 'Bounty' mutiny to Australia for removal to England for trial (contrary to the movies, a substantial portion of the mutineers stayed on Tahiti and were caught). The Pandora hit a reef and sank. The crew left the prisoners in the iron cage and many drowned.

[@JoshuaTootell]

I don't imagine the brig was used much in war time. Even troublemakers would rather be doing something to save the ship, to save their own lives.

[@robertsistrunk6631]

Was the microphone AWOL?

[@jerryforeman4543]

Was the green color suppose to calm them like the green room in Hollywood?

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Large swaths of the ship were painted that color originally. Some parts, obviously, still are.

[@dinklehimerschlitz9111]

I think that was the general color in the 80's

[@GaryCameron]

That's the same ugly puke green colour that was used for my elemetary school back in the late 60s early 70s. Must have been cheap paint back then.

[@RodCornholio]

@@GaryCameron Yep. "Institutional Green" I called it. Minty madness. Hah hah.

[@gerardmdelaney]

Seafood green was a favored color thought out the DOD in the 70s/80s. Even in the depths of Cheyenne Mountain,

[@paulloveless4122]

Fascinating stuff

[@cvillefarmer]

Can we buy you an external mic for better sound quality?

[@gastonbell108]

The problem of sailors malingering by drinking seawater from toilets must have been a very serious and common problem for the Navy to go to all that extra trouble... I can mostly understand not letting them have a salt-water toilet in their cell (can't supervise them perfectly 100% of the time) but couldn't the same jailer who escorts them to the toilet also simply WATCH them to make sure they don't drink from it? That would be completely free, as opposed to the extra expense, dockyard time and complexity of running a single dedicated freshwater line that served absolutely no other purpose. Plus it's not like the Navy was concerned for the sailor's privacy while sitting on the throne - even the normal toilets are open and unpartitioned. Either there's more to the story or some Admiral on the planning board had some really weird paranoia about jailbird sailors and their manipulative ways.

[@MrSheckstr]

Consider the man power to directly observe every prisoner 24/7. It became simpler to just make the modifications and write of the fresh water ration. You could conserve fresh water by making it a dry low flush toilet and require regular cleansing using a salt water hose

[@scruggs6633]

The Navy is very very particular in some odd ways. You know, I also wouldn't rule out the single freshwater toilet being fitted in order to comply with some obscure UCMJ rule about treatment of prisoners, or what the UCMJ defines a toilet as.

[@gastonbell108]

@@scruggs6633 good point

[@Rottenkirsche13]

Only 1700s kids will remember this

[@b1laxson]

Nj: Why a freshwater toilet... Me: this is curious NJ: ... to stop sailors drinking toilet water Me: :-p dat's a thing?

[@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget]

Worst place to be in a torpedo attack

[@jordancobb509]

I love your videos man but please get a lapel mic. They are not very expensive I'm going to do wonders for your audio quality.

[@notyou6950]

Did the time locked up in the brig count towards man's service or not?

[@WootTootZoot]

Basically, it was like a temporary duty assignment. You were still in the Navy, and you still had whatever amount of time left on your contract unless you were Court Marshaled or were administratively discharged.

[@KB4QAA]

NY: Yes, time in brig counts for service. Only time when AWOL (later UA-Unauthorized Absence) or Deserted does not count towards service. As a Navy air squadron legal officer, I had several sailors who were absent and returned for lengthy periods who were floored to discover their absence lengthened their discharge date.

[@philbell7952]

Don’t worry about it

[@markwhitely4021]

Kamikaze pilots who pancaked their plane alongside the ship, in order to surrender, were kept in the Brig. Guarded by Marines they were not allowed sleep. The prod of a bayonet or a loud shout ensured that. My father served on the U.S.S. Indianapolis, sent to U.S.S. New Mexico after a Kamikaze hit. 3 weeks later another hit on the New Mexico. Transferred along with Flag and Admiral Spruance to the U.S.S. New Jersey. L.W.W. 1st Class Radio Operator. 4 years 8 months and 22 days.

[@snarflatful]

"I'm just wearing the hat."

[@trentmiller7532]

Great job

[@iskandartaib]

I'm curious where the term "brig" came from, and whether it is strictly an American term or is also used in the Royal Navy. The reason I ask is that I have never come across this term used in this way during the Age of Sail (back then a "brig" was a two-masted square-sailed vessel, while a "ship" had three or more masts). Many nautical terms originate from that time, this one doesn't seem to. I suppose "bridge" didn't, either, though.

[@kevinh6622]

If only there were some kind of search thingy that you could just type "brig" into. That would be cool.

[@iskandartaib]

@@kevinh6622 It might actually be in one of the large exhaustive reference dictionaries, e.g. the multi-volume Oxford English Dictionary. I wonder if the local library has one, and how recent of an edition they might have.

[@RodCornholio]

@@iskandartaib What ya really need to do is walk or ride a horse down to the port and talk to an ole bearded salty smokin' a pipe in front of a square rig. Could use a quill, iron gall ink, laid paper, wax seal etc. and write to Her Majesty, but why wait?

[@iskandartaib]

@@RodCornholio Or post the question on the Internet - someone, somewhere will know the answer to this, and years later, will come across this question... 😁

[@DouglasEdward84]

It's because that type of sailing vessel was often used as a Prison ship, it's only really used in American English commonly.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

my issue: murder or court martial offenses would have your butt shipped out on the nearest helicopter not confined to the brig for long...if they couldn’t get a Stallion or Seahawk helicopter to land on the ship within hours something bad has happened worse than the court martial offense

[@mstevens113]

It dates to the ww2 period, naval helicopters weren't around then.

[@DolFunDolhpinVtuber]

I'm adding you to the naughty list.

[@dusterl1472]

Didn't use the brig much?! Clearly we're not talking about the Kitty Hawk circa 2005-2008...

[@Lazarus7000]

Was that "Lady Bligh" or whatever they called her?

[@rdbjrseattle]

Was this only used when ship was away from port facilities to handle prisoners?

[@tommurin]

That's not a "bed" - it's a "rack"!

[@Hiiiiii74]

the Museum often uses civilian terminology because the purpose of the Museum is to educate the public, who will be better educated if common parlance is used. I think they have discussed this before :)

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Exactly right!

[@bostonrailfan2427]

...and the toilet was a head. i missed the bed but the toilet reference made me cringe

[@Katzenkotze85]

Did you use the mobile phone microphone for the recording?...

[@michaellacey7803]

Wouldn’t want be locked up in there

[@KJAkk]

I have seen the brig on the North Carolina tour and this one looks different. Was it overhauled in the 80's?

[@arthurjenkins9757]

Those are two completely different class of battleships..I've been on the NC aswell

[@davy1458]

What a terrible place to be during a battle.

[@paddyjoe1884]

I'm of the opinion, at least as regards intoxicated sailors are concerned, instead of putting them in the brig, you should instead put them in a long boat until they are sober.....early in the morning!

[@paddyjoe1884]

And if that doesn't work, shave his belly with a rusty razor....early in the morning!

[@pizzafrenzyman]

So there was no flogging or walking the plank.

[@lycossurfer8851]

Part of the reason they retired the BB's was because they ran out of the specialized wood needed for plank walking ;-)

[@TheFlatlander440]

Or keel hauling. LOL.

[@johnknapp952]

Use to have that stuff with the Crossing The Line/Shellback Initiation, but since women have been aboard most of that stuff is gone now.

[@pizzafrenzyman]

@@johnknapp952 most sailors would argue that's a good trade

[@GaryCameron]

Getting keel hauled on a BB would really suck. LOL

[@gr8oone007]

Wait, so to avoid people drinking salt toilet water to get sick, you have only one fresh water toilet? Seems like the opposite would be true in that case. Unless you mean there is only one toilet on the ship and it's fresh water.

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

If they are drinking salt water out of the regular toilets to avoid working, they probably need an exam anyway. If they are trying to get out of the brig, well thats almost reasonable.

[@doncarlton4858]

In the 1980s onward if a sailor was a habitual offender they would be given an admistratve discharge or if the crime was heinous enough they're be taken off by helicopter to a fleet court martial and US Disciplinary Barracks at Ft. Leavenworth (Portsmouth Naval Prison closed in1974).

[@dknowles60]

thanks for the Info. did not Know that Portsmouth prison was closd in 1974

[@peterpierce9233]

I was a Master at Arms on the Missouri. I tossed a few s#@t bags ( bad sailors preparing for bcd )

[@MrShpaco]

Half months pay x2 is worse than brig time.

[@georgesmith8113]

👍👍👍👊😎

[@aaronwilkinson8963]

When ships go out of commission it's like 30 to 40 years why was the Iowa class ships in such long service

[@jpoplin1]

9 16” guns

[@Texassince1836]

Cold war and 600 ship Navy initiative. If battleships were still in style the Iowas provide a modern enough base to be used today, But 16 inch guns aren't in style any more.

[@aaronwilkinson8963]

@@Texassince1836 Hello friend I thinking about sea worthiness. They were built well to last so long. Those 16 inch guns will always be useful for shore and inland bombardment. What range will they have they must be plus 20 miles

[@paladinsix9285]

@@aaronwilkinson8963 up to 100 miles with RAP (Rocket Assisted Projectiles)...

[@paladinsix9285]

@@Texassince1836 those 16" Naval Rifles, would still be an asset! The 1,600 to 2,000 crew required is the difficulty. Something like 80% of the world's population lives within range of those guns! During the First Gulf War, they could place them within 100 meters using an 8 Digit Fire Mission (10 meters deviation); the shell has a 1,000 meter primary blast diameter! Nothing Stops those Shells, NOTHING! Iraqis fired anti-aircraft missiles (SAMs) when they saw them coming towards them on Radar! They didn't realize what was coming until Too Late! We were able to track that by EW, and RPAs.

[@ВасяПупкин-з3ж2е]

Its interesting - if it has its own jail - it has to be its own police on this ship...

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

We call them Marines

[@ВасяПупкин-з3ж2е]

​@@BattleshipNewJersey Navy hasnt any dedicated military police?.. ....or NAVY police?.... Or they just dont wanted to put extra personel on battleship - and gave this duties to marines, who actually has to be there anyway?..

[@ajblack2410]

Master at arms am I a joke to you

[@vaderdudenator1]

What’s up with your belt?

[@rj4590]

Perhaps he lost about a hundred and fifty pounds.

[@guardsmanom134]

I dunno if it's Navy reg, but the "seprent eats its tail" config of a belt is historically accurate to Minuteman uniform dress code to this day...

[@bigredc222]

It's just a style, I've seen other people wear their belt that way.

[@guardsmanom134]

@@bigredc222 I wear my belt this way. Maybe a little more formally than "other people".

[@MrSheckstr]

It’s a style of belt that has been used for centuries. It forgoes the need for a buckle and notches in the belt, both of which can wear and become useless . Essentially a rope with a loop in one end it’s uses a simple knot as it’s securing device. As such this belt can be used in other configuration and purposes

[@alexusbrooke]

State prisoners are living better then the one who has to face to in the brig sad

[@jimlincoln1283]

I wanted to see the toilet and the mirror.

[@tarasbulba3190]

Spend a lot of time in the brig do ya?😅🤣

[@stefanmcdaniel1276]

When you were restoring the brig you mentioned you acquired materials from other ships. Were these ships in "reserve" fleets on there way to scrapping? Also, did the Navy simply ship a bunch of materials to you from a brige, or were you given access to another ship to strip components?

[@tomscotttheolderone364]

In the case of Battleship Texas, the staff is sometimes notified that a former Navy ship is going to the breakers. It is then up to the staff to either go to that ship or arrange for someone to go for them to remove items they may want. This is a great source for general items, like electrical junction boxes, light fixtures and even chairs whose designs haven't changed since WWII.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@tomscotttheolderone364 Texas did the same for its small guns, across the river on the USS Olympia are guns from the USS Texas

[@davidhudson5452]

Walk the plank

[@theextracrispycolonel8801]

0:38 THE IMPOSTER IS SUS

[@damkayaker]

Is the puke green color historically accurate for the WWII era? Was that color chosen for any particular reason? Mental torture perhaps?

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Some of the ship is still painted this color, but it was more common in early eras of the ship. It was mostly phased out in the 80s but there's still a few spots (including our editor's office!)

[@DILLIGAF2101]

Pea green was a common color on Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided missile frigates and was primarily used in spaces that had combat systems equipment.

[@jakeblanton6853]

When I was in, it seemed that we were painting interior spaces puke beige, especially ashore... It's been so many decades though that my memory might be a bit faulty on this though... To this day, I'll be damned if I'll own a house where the walls are painted that color (often called "almond")... Other areas were painted "haze gray"...

[@mose717]

Lots of interior spaces aboard submarines are painted that color.

[@DILLIGAF2101]

Inside RICER (Radar, IFF & CIC Equipment Room) 1-100-0-Q on the OHP FFGs is a great example--if you can see the bulkheads and angle-irons. www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/us_navy_pages/frigates/inside_the_oliver_hazard_perry_class_page_2.htm

[@Olebull93]

Its almost summer