I used 6 Mill greenhouse plastic. I plan to double it and inflate it in the future. Those channels and wiggle wires are awesome!
@orrfamily641 Жыл бұрын
Great video, Here's a FYI. We got 2/3's of our poly up and found out we didn't have enough wiggle wire to complete the job and no stores in our area had any. A MacGyver type employee came back with a couple of 4ft strands of barbless fencing wire. ( Barbless wire has 3 strands wrapped together for greater tinsel strength.) After separating the strands he took his plyers and made the rest of the wiggle wire we needed, worked fantastically. 🤔
@ZipGrowInc Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, great tip for our viewers!
@badhairday2377 Жыл бұрын
nate, you're always such a great help to all of us for posting the vids i recommend everyone watch before and during their adventures into the wonderful world of horticulture! grate work!
@ZipGrowInc Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@thomasglasscock25705 жыл бұрын
Great vid Sir. I completely agree with your assessments of toughness and ease on the budget. Our eggmobiles are made out of poly-eth and wiggle wire; and have held up no problem through our regular and sustained 40-50mph high plains Texas winds.
@Beng12952 Жыл бұрын
It's insane that they don't sell this stuff over here in the UK. Just one of many random things that somehow didn't make it over the pond! The cost of getting it imported makes it way more expensive than the other type of locking method you mentioned.
@travellingtom60912 жыл бұрын
The fact the snow hasn't melted shows double skinned gives good insulation.
@Dragon-Slay3r Жыл бұрын
🦋? 😂
@BryanDeAsis7 жыл бұрын
This is what I'm looking for. Planning to put up in quebec. Thanks for the great info
@ZipGrowInc7 жыл бұрын
Perfect - yeah wiggle wire is great stuff!
@AamirSaeedTajalli5 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for posting this video. It helps in getting clarifying some of my confusions. Thanks. However, i have few questions 1) What about hot climates. Once we infilate double layer there will be air inside always and in high summer temperatures the air will get hot and makes the inside climate more hot. Could you please clarify it? 2) We clip the wiggle spring before inflating between the layers. I think wiggle spring will lock transfer of air if wiggle is installed also at upper pipe. So, if we use double layer poly then we must install the wiggle at the bottom so that the air reaches all places between the layers? 3) Whats the dimensions of your house and how much time it took to pump in and fill the air? 4) Are you still conducting webinars? Kindly respond.
@grounded73625 жыл бұрын
When installing a second layer of poly on the greenhouse are you securing both layers in one channel? or two separate wire channels all around?
@1982MCI4 жыл бұрын
Grounded in the same channel
@querrythis Жыл бұрын
Appreciated the insights. Very help info.
@ZipGrowInc Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@GasparNunez636 жыл бұрын
I’m interested what else you use to heat the greenhouse. And keep the plants from freezing? At night
@rjaquaponics926610 жыл бұрын
Nate, I understand the concept, but where is wiggle wire used on your hoop houses? Does every rib have wiggle wire? I struggle to understand how a small fan can inflate the entire length. It's - 8 degrees right now in WI. Inside my geodesic dome it is 60 degrees. It will be -21 degrees by morning with 15 to 25 mph winds. Wind chill will be approximately - 50 degree! Gotta love my Rocket Mass Heater!
@ZipGrowInc10 жыл бұрын
Hey Rj Aquaponics - Sorry for the confusion there. We anchor our covering along both baseboards of the greenhouse using the wiggle wire/channel, and then along the sidewalls (up and over the arches).
@malcolmpotter197010 жыл бұрын
Questions about the PE plastic layers. 1) Do both layers have the IR+Condensation coating? If so, do both of those special coatings face inward? 2) Most greenhouse PE I've seen says to not let it come into contact with PVC. Is that a potential issue with PVC coated wiggle wire?
@brigettebrinton48875 жыл бұрын
I can answer 1, in case anyone comes along wondering. Usually just the inner layer needs the IR/anticondensate coating. I'm in a semi-tropical environment, however, so there might be a difference for cold-weather systems like at Bright.
@emeralddragon20105 жыл бұрын
obviously an endorser for wiggle wire...easiest most inexpensive way is using wood...you can either use planks with a 3/4 gap between them or a larger plank like a 2x4 with a channel cut into it with a router. either way the plastic is rolled past and a piece of wood ripped down to the appropriate size and pushed in...it replaces the expensive wiggler wire
@sheep.herder3 жыл бұрын
timber prices have skyrocketed here wiggle wire was expensive vs timber
@faithromanchuk35817 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos! Quick question...do we put the first layer of poly on fully with the wiggle wire and then install the second layer with another layer of wiggle wire? OR, do we instal both layers at once, and then put on the wiggle wire just once??
@danielrose13923 жыл бұрын
Both at once to get them somewhat air tight.
@aceshigh2353 жыл бұрын
Often if sections are airtight you will need a tube to jumper the fan air flow into each section. There is also a pressure switch you can buy that senses the pressure between the layers and only turns on fan when pressure drops so the fan only runs as needed and cuts off when the pressure in the gap is back to normal. This also lowers the amount of condensation between the layers and also lowers heat loss from constantly blowing your warm air into the cold gap.
@chandrabeharry93388 жыл бұрын
Can you supply me with the name of company in US that supplies the channel and wiggle wire
@gro-allpremiumplantfood60704 жыл бұрын
I understand how the side plastic sheets are fitted but how do you fit the ends of the polytunnel (hoop house)? Thanks
@tiffanyrose97359 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew about the poly covered wiggle wire a month ago- about to put plastic on
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
Tiffany Rose Sorry it didn't find you sooner! Did you rip your plastic? Uncoated wiggle wire can be pretty destructive. #greenhouse
@tiffanyrose97359 жыл бұрын
plastic is on and holds air but lots of pinholes at the c channel
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
Tiffany Rose Thank God for duct tape!
@echognomecal674210 ай бұрын
Aside from around 4:00 where it's barely visible, is there any place where they give a good shot of it actually in use?
@aceshigh2353 жыл бұрын
What about all that condensation with you blowing warm air between the layers. How do you drain it off?
@trevor5290 Жыл бұрын
Does that air pump need to go 24/7 or once it's inflated then you can stop it? I'm thinking off grid or grid down type situation
@flanmaryj7 жыл бұрын
Very useful information!
@ZipGrowInc7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad it was helpful to you.
@icarus90110 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, when using the blower to make an insulated layer, is there an outlet for the air pumped in between the sheets..Or is it leaky enough that there's an inlet only? Also, is the second/outer polyfilm layer intentionally made a little looser than the first/inner?
@ZipGrowInc10 жыл бұрын
Hi icarus, There is no outlet for the air. Some of it will leak out, but for the most part it is pretty static, keeping the blower on keeps it pressurized. The outer layer can be a little bit more "baggy" than the inside layer. We usually like to have both layers with some tension on them, but allow them to sag slightly between the ribs when deflated. Usually this still entails a lot of tugging and tensioning to get it tight enough.
@paoluccio774 жыл бұрын
Hi, will both layers of film be the same size or should the top one that will be inflated bigger?
@shurenacarmona38834 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to see the temperature different with using double layer poly or doing a geothermal method. I would rather use a double layer poly being that it seems easier to install. I would like to grow oranges and lemons in an environment that gets down to 20° - 25° with heavy snow loads in the winter. What do u suggest? Would double poly work or should I do a geothermal method?
@norwaymo14613 жыл бұрын
You should do both
@thuss51625 жыл бұрын
The poly manufacture says warranty void if it's in contact with pvc without a barrier between?
@juanarellano60355 жыл бұрын
Hello, is the clear film recommended for growing leafy greens or the clear poly?
@shealenehelms2 жыл бұрын
Can I cut the wiggle wire if needed?
@ZipGrowInc2 жыл бұрын
Yes! A pair of wire/side cutters and some strong hands and you can trim it to desired length.
@danayoung90433 жыл бұрын
Do you lock down both layers of film at the same time with one pvc coated wiggle wire?
@PaulLadendorf9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. This is the 3rd video I've watched on 2 layer poly inflating and no one has mentioned what the r value of the 2 layers with air space is. Can someone answer that please?
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul Ladendorf - with inflated double layer 6mm poly film the R-Value is about 1.7.
@barbaraedwards37156 жыл бұрын
1.6 then ypu add air and via diffusion you have a R factor of 5
@jccuchvjvj4 жыл бұрын
That pcv wire always destroy my plastic. I can't even put the wire out now. Maybe I got too narrow channel but I got it with a politunel.
@michaeltakacs50967 жыл бұрын
thanks! i'll try my first
@scubamario200610 жыл бұрын
Good video.Thx.
@julietalw5 жыл бұрын
How long does the poly last?
@taylorphillips51184 жыл бұрын
Is the double layer effetive for keeping out the heat?
@danielrose13923 жыл бұрын
Not really, because you still let the sun (energy) in. Might be in combination with a shade cloth, but not sure if really worth it. More ventilation is probably the simpler option.
@jeffsullivan336210 жыл бұрын
My GH is made of 2x4s. I put plastic on both inside and outside. The plastic is stapled and secured with furring strips around the perimeter and on each stud to counteract wind. Just survived the winter of 2013-14 with the only issue being interior sweating. Is it necessary to pump air between the sheets of plastic in this situation or is the pump just used for plastic separation?
@lupusk9productions6 жыл бұрын
that's what I was thinking about doing. Have you done any more development on this since it's been 3 years since your comment?
@mjdwhite3810 жыл бұрын
Hey - 2 questions - Just bought a property with a poly greenhouse with wiggle wire but it is missing poly (torn off) on one end. We want to replace the plastic (1) is the wiggle wire removable and then reusable? If so how the heck do you do that? (2) do you need to run the pump for inflating the double layer all the times? Looks like this has been set up in ours at the one end, but we have no power to the greenhouse at the moment. Thanks!
@ZipGrowInc10 жыл бұрын
Hi Michelle White - Yes the wigglewire is removable and it's a pretty easy chore to accomplish. We can make a video on that here soon. In the mean time you should be able to simply working it the opposite direction of the way you put it into the channel. This process is much easier with the PVC coated wiggle wire like we use since you reduce the risk of tearing your plastic. Yes, we'd recommend running the inflation pump around the clock to keep it filled and maximize your buffer layer of insulation. Also having it filled will help thwart any vicious wind attacks. The pump is small enough that it draws VERY little energy at all. It's less than an amp. Hope that helps! Are you on our email list yet?
@anasmrright5 жыл бұрын
Don't use a pump it is loud and expensive. Use a blower like in the video.
@jordanvideo1009 жыл бұрын
How much heat power is needed to maintain 70F temperature difference with the outside air for 4 acres greenhouse when using double layer polyethylene? Does make sens to blow hot air between the two layers?
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
Well, when it's -30F outside, maintaining 50F inside our greenhouse (2000 sq. ft.) consumes around 200K BTU/hr. You can probably extrapolate that out- roughly 20 times that for 1 acre, and around 80 times that for 4 acres, or around 16M BTU. Of course to get a good estimate you'll have to do the math for your particular structure type. . . The air between the layers doesn't matter beyond just creating a "dead" space.
@DRUMofTRUTH9 жыл бұрын
do you guys at brghtagrotech take the layer off in summer? or is air inflation year around cold and hot?
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
DRUMofTRUTH We leave both layers on all year to help buffer the cold nights and the wind. We do, however, have a roll-up sidewall that helps us keep things cool in the high tunnel. Here's a video of that: brightagrotech.com/opening-the-vertical-farm/ - Hope that helps!
@RexKnickerbocker2 жыл бұрын
Wiggle wire width, and internal channel width?
@ZipGrowInc2 жыл бұрын
Most wiggle wire and channel we have seen is the same approximate size, the channels are normally 1.25" on the outside, and 1/16" thick metal so roughly 1 1/8" inside size
@RexKnickerbocker2 жыл бұрын
@@ZipGrowInc thank you!. I am planning to use a router bit to create channels in wood.
@justme2289 жыл бұрын
I live in Texas and I put new plastic my green house the other day, I used wiggle wire but my plastic is coming out.
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
Where is it coming out of ***** ?
@badihassaker38968 жыл бұрын
guys can anyone help me and provide the company of these air blowers
@ZipGrowInc8 жыл бұрын
Hi +Badih Assaker - You can find that here: www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/poly-inflation-fan-kit/s from +greenhousemegastore
@carolinebelmore25956 жыл бұрын
where can I find the fan?
@paul2710758 жыл бұрын
how much wormer is having a Double Layer Greenhouses dos it make that much difference
@ZipGrowInc8 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, yeah there's a very significant difference in insulation capacity. Single layer poly has about an R.5 where as a double layer poly greenhouse has an R1.5 to even R2. That increase in value definitely adds up for a minimal additional investment.
@budiwahyu27487 жыл бұрын
please let me understand clearly about double layers, it's mean you use 2 plastics? do you use uv plastics? how many percents of uv protector? sory.. i'm too much asking. ^_^
@budiwahyu27487 жыл бұрын
how strong is it for wind blow? is it stong enough? because i will use pvc pipe to thigt plastic. which one better?
@ZipGrowInc7 жыл бұрын
As long as you've got it tacked down, you should be good unless you're in a hurricane or tornado. If it can stand up to Laramie, Wyoming winds, it can stand up just about anywhere.
@budiwahyu27487 жыл бұрын
Bright Agrotech in my place (indonesia), sometimes windy, not strong wind like tornado but sometimes it's strong enough, so I'm worried about the wiggle wires will be released because wind blow. for now, i'm trying to grow crops with Hydroponics system
@johnleslie38806 жыл бұрын
pvc pipe is not strong, it will be weaken overtime with the strong Indonesia sun heat,
@KaseeSmith8 жыл бұрын
when we switch plastic to shade cloth on our green houses we have a storage issue with the wiggle wire. The issue is that the wires get tangled up, do you know of any efficient way of storing wiggle wire?
@ZipGrowInc8 жыл бұрын
+Kasee Smith Unfortunately not... If you can figure it out, let me know! I’ve spent many an hour untangling that stuff. Sorry we couldn't be more helpful!
@JohnGuest458 жыл бұрын
layflat polythene tubing, very cheap and reusable ;)
@lupusk9productions6 жыл бұрын
try big sheets of paper (maybe that brown craft stuff that comes in a roll) folded in half and tape or a clip to keep it closed?
@wayradbrad1398 жыл бұрын
How many layers of 6 mill film can you install in single u channel with wiggle wire? For instance, your end walls. Thanks.
@ZipGrowInc8 жыл бұрын
Hey +Bradley Romero - I've only ever used two, but my guess is you could do three or four if you needed to. Hope that helps!
@wayradbrad1398 жыл бұрын
+Bright Agrotech yes that does help and thanks for the quick response. I appreciate the video.
@ZipGrowInc8 жыл бұрын
+Bradley Romero Of course, happy to help!
@Shlongclock8 жыл бұрын
+Bradley Romero If you ever try more please tell me (us) how it worked! Its sounds like a great idea, and pretty obvious as well :D
@Shlongclock8 жыл бұрын
+Bradley Romero now that i think about it, it might be tough to install a second blower between the layers, and if you conntect the airpockets you dont gain anything from that as well...
@boomshine78 жыл бұрын
I can't order these wiggle wire and profiles anywhere from europe :s
@ZipGrowInc8 жыл бұрын
+boomshine7 Ah sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can find another solution!
@JohnGuest458 жыл бұрын
You may have found a solution by now but in case you didnt. wiggle wire and c-section is available in the uk. Its taken literally years for the penny to drop here when the states has been using it for decades ;) We`ll probably be well into the next century before double poly catches on lol
@boomshine78 жыл бұрын
thx alot for your comment john , i deferred the idea but now i will look into it
@JohnGuest458 жыл бұрын
You should also look into controlling the blower with a differential pressure switch, running it 24/7 is a waste of electrical power. It also allows the use of 12v blowers and offgrid installation.
@BushLieWorldDie7 күн бұрын
Wery cost effective construction for colder climates
@justme2289 жыл бұрын
It came out of the C channel that the wiggle wire goes in to.
@airriflemaniac7 жыл бұрын
Did you say 6mm poly or .6mm?
@JohnGuest457 жыл бұрын
6 mil which is 150 micron or 0.15mm
@noontygreenhouse18126 жыл бұрын
6 mil= 150 micron film
@danielrose13923 жыл бұрын
A mil can refer to a thousands of a meter or a thousands of an inch. Here it can only be 6/1000 inch.
@jungepflanzen9 жыл бұрын
hey, please i have a question. how do you install by double film? tanks
@ZipGrowInc9 жыл бұрын
Cevat Aydogdu Hey there! We have a post on that right here: www.brightagrotech.com/building-a-greenhouse-part-2/ - hope it helps!
@sam-dw5ns10 жыл бұрын
does anyone know where to buy wiggle wire and channall in edm ab thx
@ZipGrowInc10 жыл бұрын
Does Greenhouse Megastore ship up there Danny man?
@sam-dw5ns10 жыл бұрын
i hoped to find where to buy it in edm canada its to far to ship and to long thx
@ZipGrowInc10 жыл бұрын
check out hydro-gardens.com. They might be able to help you out.
@murugappank28856 жыл бұрын
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@mrap13014 жыл бұрын
You look just like Chris Watts, sorry, just saying