Brighter Shores - Are the rooms TOO SMALL?

I’ve been covering Brighter Shores for several months now, and after the last video the audience was pretty equally divided. Those people who are fans of OSRS and Runescape are excited for the design and layout of the room-to-room movement that Brighter Shores will utilize, and then in the other camp are people who think this design is going to create rooms that are too small. I think after today’s video people who think the rooms are too small are going to give Brighter Shores a pass, and that is ok. From my Helldivers 2 research the CEO of Arrowhead said “a game for everyone is a game for noone” and that is spot on. Every game has a niche and this room-to-room design is the niche of Brighter Shores.
So after seeing the new content what camp are you in? The camp of people who are going to play, or the camp of people who are going to take a pass.
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[@Mordinel]

I think it is strange if you are on a beach that consists of multiple rooms, and you stand one tile away from the transition line and you cannot see anything that is going on over there even though it is right there in terms of worldspace. Having to cross over that barrier is jarring, and my worry is that because rooms are so small and transition points are very frequent, it will not feel like a pieced together world and it will instead feel like you are walking between instanced rooms that are not actually a part of the world that is shared between the players. Perhaps it would be better to be able to see adjacent areas not blacked out and have it show you what is going on inside them at a lower update rate or something like that, where it makes sense to have line of sight.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

I can absolutely agree with what you are saying in this regard. When the game launches this should be a piece of feedback given and hopefully the team can either make it happen or explain why it can't happen.

[@Saradominstr]

Agreed

[@BlobBlobkins]

Yeah, imagine you are in the room, but in your space there is nobody, you do 1 step and there is 20 people lol

[@ImTejx]

Like other's have said. If rooms can be bigger, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. It won't feel very immersive if there's 6 other players in a room, or a trading quarter that's 1/10th the size of the Grand Exchange.

[@3runjosh]

if it was open world with this design, it would do extremely well because I think that has a larger audience. This is Andrew's passion project though so it really doesn't matter to him. He is making a game for himself first and foremost. I am looking forward to more updates. Perhaps it will win me over and I'll love it. I probably don't have time to play it anyway haha.

[@TFrills]

same. WIll only play if they at least make it look and feel like an open world, even if they keep the rooms

[@snak_yak7366]

Looking forward to the change of pace. The room format will probably make me slow down and enjoy the game, instead of falling back into the efficiency trap.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

This I agree with. I also find it funny that recently when I've shared ideas for Wartales or Crusader Kings 3 there are people who get upset with how I play. When did gaming become a singular way to have fun and no other options are allowed.

[@halleberry2094]

Anthing Andrew does rn is going to be so much better than anything else going on right now lol

[@Odyssey636]

If making a square instead of seeing the map around makes u explore more and not fall into an efficency trap, im sorry bro. Its not the game. Someone has no self control or understanding. Seeing the world around u IS what makes u explore. I could care less about a grid like map in an mmo. One of the worst designs ever brought up

[@halleberry2094]

@@Odyssey636 all of those mechanics that every osrs player enjoys were made by andrew and paul lol. Now it's just maintained by banking pedos and has become a homunculus at best.

[@talemire258]

I think that John guy pretty much said it - Would be ideal for mobile, but way too much shaded area for PC. I'd ideally like to be able to play it without the shaded areas and grids even if it's still room-to-room. This could at least give the illusion that it's open world for those who want that. Make it optional or something.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

Yeah with as big as mobile is, I think it would rock mobile especially with the planned monetization. That's not to say it won't do good as a PC game, we just have to get our hands on it to see.

[@TFrills]

Exactly. At least give us the illusion

[@ignaciogarciaberropomopuyo4426]

I will try it when released, however the room type mechanic specially when most of the screen is black bg is a huge L.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

I think this is a concern shared by many people.

[@peterbabicki8252]

I like it. It's different to most games in this genre, and sets itself apart from every other open world game.

[@kibby3164]

I'm looking forward to trying it but the room-to-room style has got me very put-off. It just doesn't look right or feel right. I've always like open worlds. I can't understand why Andrew didn't do an open world. I think the game would be much more popular if it was. It feels like that is the only thing people have a problem with. And of course Andrew would have known that spending 10 years making the game, sure he's done he's research. I just hope there's something we're missing that's going to put it all together, although I can't see what that is. I know this isn't helpful. I just wish it was open world and it seems like 90% of the people that are talking about this game feel the same way. even if the rooms weren't blacked out its truly not an open world. you are kind of forced to take certain paths. At least light up all areas/rooms and give us the illusion that we are in an open world. Like I said he knows what he's doing and I can't see why he chose this.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

He choose this because he's taking us back to Table-Top style games which have a grid system and a path. I do agree 90% or more of people are talking about this, but I think many of them will be ok with it once they play it. I have a feeling this is something that shows very poorly but may in fact play very well. We just have to wait and see.

[@Odyssey636]

Yeah this aint it. As a new player to OSRS finally trying it, this does nothing but make me want to play the old one. Hopefully theres more content and depth than it seems because it looks like a EA single player survival game made by one dev. Wheres the mmo? Wheres the combat? Wheres the exploring?

[@grimvisionz91]

I think it's nice and refreshing imo. A nice change of pace from the open world everything nowadays.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

I would agree with you. I think something new is good and we can see how people enjoy the good thing. I also think (as said in the video) that the mini-map and map details is something all MMORPGs should be benchmarking.

[@TFrills]

disagree. I want open world

[@Architectofawesome]

This is probably one game I would play on mobile and would be fine with on mobile besides Hearthstone.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

What you don't want to play full fledged MMORPGs on a phone? DON'T YOU HAVE A PHONE?

[@DiscipleDar]

Coming from Runescape, I like the room size. I'm looking forward to trying the game out

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

I think Runescape players are going to be happy with the game, and that non room based players aren't going to like it. That really is just the size of it, and the players who aren't going to be happy are just going to have to accept that and not try to force a change.

[@Valdarko]

I think it makes sense for then to go in this direction, since there is nothing worst to an MMORPG then have a giant world map completely empty of players, with smaller maps this creates more encounters with other players also imo, maps in brighter shores looks WAY more elegant than runescape was, the moment to moment gameplay looks like ragnarok online which I like very much, can't wait to play

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

This is very, very true. This way the world will feel more populated, instead of 60 minute stretches where you don't see anyone.

[@wazup3333]

​Interesting perspective, so there won't be worlds? But I don't like the idea of being forced out of rooms/servers based on population in a room​@@ParadoxGamingNetwork

[@ritwik5774]

Well it's obvious that this game was made for mobile. Not just the rooms but the general art style with the block terrain. I can't say I'm interested in playing a mobile game on pc. Might be the undoing of this game for non-mobile crowd.

[@deveyous6614]

Feels like it's there ( and the tiles ) to serve as the 'unique' aspect to the game, with the fear of those things not being there causing enough people to just call it a RuneScape clone. I'm yet to think of any positive elements this brings to the actual gameplay though.

[@wolf7115]

I think the rooms are small, but that's only because I haven't played the game yet. I will actually reserve judgement until after I play.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

I think that is fair, for some people they will now its not their thing just by looking at it. For others, it will be something they ahve to wait and try.

[@xaero96]

I think it looks cool. Rooms can be of any size it seems. The smaller rooms just have no reason to be bigger, so they're not. I think it's one of those things that people think they would dislike, but it probably doesn't actually affect the experience at all in a Runescape-like game. The game is about building your character at the end of the day. The concept worked and still works even as a text-based game. The room system has a lot of benefits that people don't value yet because they haven't tried it. I don't see this game becoming the biggest MMO but I'm definitely playing it.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

I think this is a really good perspective. Brighter Shores has almost no chance of becoming a top 10 MMORPG and I think Andrew Gower knows that and he isn't phased by it. I think he spent the last decade making a game that he wants the world to have, not a game that will make him another boatload of money.

[@bren2k5]

I would enjoy this game if it were mobile. Not sure if I will enjoy on pc but will give it a try for sure. Kinda sad he went this direction, but can’t complain.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

If this could be played on both mobile and PC with the same character, that would be the best of both worlds.

[@TFrills]

Unless they ditch the blackness and make it at least LOOK like an open world, I'm gonna pass on this one.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

That's fair.

[@allerickbriarheart2892]

I agree I don’t mind the room to room at all and especially hearing what the system is used for such as preventing crashing someone’s grind ,griefing , etc but at least make it so it can be disabled/enabled because with the switching from highlighted to darkened it really fucks with my eyes and takes me out of the game and it’s world making it feel a lot more video gamey instead of this big awesome world. Some of the indoor sections didn’t bother me quite as much however everything outdoors I’ve seen so far would be unplayable to me and I think it would get rid of a vast majority of people’s complaints of feeling confined while still being room to room to at bare minimum let the shading out a room be disabled so here’s hoping.

[@Saradominstr]

Too small for sure.

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

Yeah, I'm waiting for it to launch. I think it will be good, but very niche.

[@jackwolstenholme8213]

It looks worse than OSRS

[@ParadoxGamingNetwork]

In graphics or in gameplay?