New Old Heads react to KRS One saying Latinos contributed to Hip Hop's creation

This discussion from the New Old Heads episode 394 talked about KRS One's statements about Latino's contribution on Hip Hop's creation.
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[@urbanroyceindigenousvoyage9928]

How can you create something that was already created. Columbus discovered America that was already live and well. HIP HOP WAS HERE BEFORE JAMAICANS AND LATINOS.

[@MarvluzAllTheTime]

They had no actual contributions to the creation of Hip-hop

[@RespectYaMelonin]

When has black american music not been in the forfront. Motown killed everything in early anerican music. All races listened to them. We always have been trendsetters

[@TheWriterWhoWannaBeHeard]

Shout out to the one brother who had to school the rest of the New Old heads. Everything is not based on opinions.

[@FBA1979]

KRS Is Non-FBA. He's Not Telling The Truth.

[@iziahwhite1883]

True. Non FBA, so he loves not just giving us our flowers. And vulture all Non FBA's in the creation. He seems not really sure of himself at all. He needs to just stop talking. Word

[@Axiohm000]

Krs one moved the goal post. Hip Hop was created by black Americans. The discussion is about who CREATED Hip Hop.

[@sway9044]

KRS spoke facts! It was a cluster of people that helped create HH.

[@rashanlynn7133]

People get so caught up in this idea that if we say pr’s had a contribution in hip hop we’re giving up our claim to the art form & that’s ridiculous. Hip hop is very much at its foundation a AA cultural movement that had help from our Latino brothers & sisters. Why is that controversial ?

[@omardavis1622]

If this was in reverse, do you think we a got the credit ? If this was in Puerto Rico instead. 🤔😐

[@mzeastcoastgirl390]

You bugged out! When they help black Americans????? Getting sex?? And... Oh ok smh

[@down-b8197]

They started claiming they're co-creators and hip hop wouldn't exist without them... they made themselves unwelcomed.

[@jayshah9967]

Because it's not accurate. PRs had absolutely nothing to do with thrme creation of hip hop. matter fact, most Puerto Ricans parents and grand parents were very racist toward black americans. how could such a people with such Sentiments help us create Anything

[@omardavis1622]

@@jayshah9967 most of them started around the same time. Bam pretty much laid the red carpet. Only few, that was down thru Mario, was Tex DJ Hollywood & his sis 🕊️ Everybody else seem to be cool , with Zulu Kings , which are Baby Spades under DJ Kool Dee, that Bam took over.

[@terucks]

Black Americans created and built Hip hop; Pueto Ricans and Jamaican West Indies helped expand it. I would argue that Rapper's Delight influenced and opened the door for many multicultural communities to get involved with Hip Hop. Notice in the 80s Dance Hall broke through in the US and it developed Reggaeton into what it is now due to Hip Hop's influence.

[@dwightgayle9589]

🇯🇲 Jamaica Street music Is what created hip-hop!... Americans simply adopted it N called it hip-hop

[@dwightgayle9589]

Jamaica created it n Americans expanded it

[@down-b8197]

@@dwightgayle9589 Jamaicans have never created anything in america.

[@omardavis1622]

I never knew any Jamaicans who were Black Spades that lived in the Bronx that played break beats in reggae music ? 🤔 Before Herc. Who learned his style in the Bronx ​@@dwightgayle9589

[@lockvegas05]

@@dwightgayle9589 😂😂😂😂! I’m starting to believe lying is part Jamaican culture . You can’t create anything that you have to assimilate you into . You guys are desperate.

[@uncvic1]

As 50 yr. NY'er. Gonna have to watch this one again.

[@str8upndown856]

Strong conversation. Respect 👊🏽

[@gordiegreening7207]

Jamaica Queens NY had nothing to do with the island of Jamaica and Jamaican people it was given that name back in the 1600's by England

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Thanks for sharing.

[@PriestForever]

Can I pose this question to the brothers on this panel? What is your level of proximity to the New York Hip Hop culture? Did you guys grow up here?

[@lflash204]

why does it matter,,,,

[@PriestForever]

@lflash204 It matters because proximity informs context and context matters. I thought that would have been obvious but...🤷🏾‍♂️

[@iziahwhite1883]

You must be Pr. Because proximity has nothing to do what a people's ancestral culture. I'm from the Bx born and raised. I live amongst Pr's, Jamaicans, Domenicans. And everybody has there own separate cultures meaning there language, music, religion, and expression. And Hip Hop was based on Black American culture. It was our music, our language( slang), knowledge of our oppression as a people, and rapping which is how we chose to express our selves. Everybody from the Diaspora participated but u followed our lead. Because it was our culture and that's facts.

[@lflash204]

@@PriestForever dude, proximity doesn't matter,,,hip hop is a black american culture.a black man living in alaska or on the moon has more say to hip hop than a rican or jamaican because hip hop is our culture...thats what we listen to when we went home....jamaicans and ricans listened to salsa and reggae....we are not the same

[@lflash204]

im 60 and lived in new york and my people was rapping, dancing and throwing house and outside parties before hip hop came into existence

[@DojoOfCool]

Go back to the beginning of Jazz that is the root of it all and it started, It started with the Blues sung by the slaves from Africa, the call and response. That combined with Afro-Cuban rhythms adding the clave to the beat that became early Jazz. So the linage of Hip Hop can be traced back 100 years to the birth of Jazz.

[@AlexanderDivineEmcee]

Wait so did it start with the blues or with jazz

[@DojoOfCool]

Started with the slaves singing and doing call and response that became Blues. Then the Blues moved to New Orleans where the Afro-Cuban rhythms started coming in. Then moved to Kansas City and the birth of the Big Bands and the Cuban clave inspired Swing. The Swing added influence of European harmony from late 1800's. Then a whole move to smaller bands and Bebop. Then people wanted more danceable music and the R&B bands came typically a sax player fronting the band. Then electric guitar came out and the sax was replaced by guitar and Big Mama Thornton, Chuck Berry, along with Little Richard and other created Rock N Roll. That clave from Jazz is in the Rock, R&B, and later Soul, Funk, and Hip Hop and all music since then. I summarized things a lot to keep it brief, but it all goes back to the slaves singing while they worked.

[@AlexanderDivineEmcee]

@@DojoOfCool It goes back even further than that to music in Africa but you’re definitely on point with your timeline otherwise. And something to point out, these weren’t “Slaves” these were “Enslaved People’s” no human being is a slave, thats colonizer language programming. Might seem like simple semantics but it’s a big difference. Sure you don’t mean anything bad by it but just wanted to point that out ☮️

[@uptownbladebrown]

There is no afro cuban rhythms in jazz. Jazz heavily influenced cuban music hence afro cuban jazz aka salsa. By the time blues was created my ethnic group Black American/African American already existed we were no longer africans at that point

[@uptownbladebrown]

Yall ppl stay lying and trying to crowbar yourselves into our history.

[@seanwright8786]

Im a journeyman wireman(commercial electrician). When looking at a hi-rise building that I "contributed" 18 months of work to, I can pass that building and say " I built that building". So can the sheetrockers, or the pipe fitters or the plumbers and bricklayers. Each trade comes at different times to construct the entity. Who is there from the initial design and ground breaking when it's an open field of dirt? Some trades are there literally from the beginning. Others come when the foundation is already set and we're now on a contiuing upward. The guys who pour concrete give the footprint for the building to stand on. Who designed the plan (blueprint) for the building itself? Everyone contributed but who were the designers, the architects? That's what we're talking about with this genre and culture. Different eras where others came in and put in some heavy work. We can't leave anyone out of the conversation, however, who are the designers and architects of this beautiful culture and music? Who was there working when the project (hip hop) was coming out of the dirt?

[@PriestForever]

@seanwright8786 but it was the architect who created the plans for the building building brother... nobody is arguing the point of who contributed to building it. This is about who created it.

[@seanwright8786]

@@PriestForever im with you brother. This dude Colon keeps movinf the goal post of the argument. The original point was "50/50" in the creation of hip hop coming from Fat Joe and supported by my teenaage friend, Busta Rhyme. Both these bros are wrong. The architects is from Amwrican born Black youth with southern roots in the Carolinas. If one or three Puerto Rican brothers happened to roll with the brothers back then, it still don't mean that it was 50/50. Herc, Bam and Flash have West Indian backgrounds. They DID NOT incorporate Jamaican culture or West Indian culture into the design of hip hop. It was a Black American culture expressed through Black American youth habits playing music that was listened to by Black American youth that they themselves jammed to.

[@alejandrochaves2292]

Lord Jamar out here on a mission to divide

[@undisputedtruth6176]

Tell the truth

[@peterm6179]

PR DJ's plus one of the first Female MC's

[@juicepedraz941]

They said puerto ricans are u.s citizens now. like that just happened recently

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Did you not hear what was said IMMEDIATELY after? 😅

[@juicepedraz941]

@@BringingDownTheBand no what

[@3rdIAssassin]

We have to define what is meant we we say “from the very beginning”. Are we talking about the first 2 years (let’s say 1970 - 1974) or (1974 - 1978) or the whole first 10 years? Hip Hop comes out of Black culture. Contributions are different than creating something.

[@absolute7250]

If you watch the movie a Bronx tale. That was the relationship with the Italians. Fighting. That’s why and where the black spades was formed. Then the black spades formed into the Zulu nation. And then the baby zulus breaking crew.

[@PriestForever]

Soooo... you guys are from Indianapolis??

[@AlexanderDivineEmcee]

Hip Hop is Hip Hop culture no? Whose foundation was laid by Black Americans but Hip Hop is the culture itself not another type of culture right? Or am I getting lost in semantics?

[@J-nd9ub]

No your not, but rap music started before the hip hop culture ... which is like a byproduct of rap or hip hop evolved from rap. So, in my humble opinion ... without rap no hip hop

[@CrowdPleeza]

From an interview with JOJO an early member of the Rock Steady Crew. This deals with Breaking. SIR NORIN RAD:"That's very interesting! You were featured in that documentary "The Freshest Kids" and you stated there something to the effect that you were actually already B-Boying when there were hardly any Puerto Ricans around doing that dance...." JOJO:"That's exactly what I'm meaning. What I'm telling you now that's what I meant when I said that. We were the only Puerto Ricans that got busy. Now DJ Kool Tee and DJ Mr. Lee (early DJs from the West Bronx) used to give us our respect and say, "Check out the Puerto Rican B-Boys in the house! B-Boy Spiderman and B-Boy Spiderweb!" And we got busy and that was way back. Back then there were a lot of Zulu B-Boys around. They sorta ran it back then. As for the Puerto Rican B-Boys we were just up and coming. You know, we were people who wanted to learn it and got good at it 'cause, you know, they say Puerto Ricans actually put B-Boys on their back. We're the ones that started the backspinning and all these kind of moves. As far as the footwork and the flip turns that they did....that came from the Black B-Boys." Interview with B-Boy Jojo (The Rock Steady Crew)

[@CrowdPleeza]

I'd also add that dance styles like Locking, Popping and Strutting were also started by Black-Americans in California. These styles were adopted by NYC Hip Hop people.

[@CrowdPleeza]

Just to add. Puerto Ricans and other Latinos played a big role with developing and popularizing the elements of Hip Hop. When Breaking died out with Black-Americans around 1977 it would have stayed that way had Puerto Ricans not picked it up. Most people got exposed to Breaking through Puerto Ricans in the early 80s.

[@Juruism]

The building Blocks are african american músic. But even on that música hace a los of latín players. Jazz, boogaloo, etc...that why the Diasppra it's a very important Word to understand. Our historia as black People started on Africa, make a stop at the Caribean Islandis and then arrive at the US. But everything it s african rooted. América its not justo USA. Theres african descended and culture all around North, Central and South América. Read about Arturo Alfonso Shu.burg and Fanon.

[@sway9044]

Every discusses HH as a whole each element has its own unique history! Once you start looking into the individual elements then you will see the true history. It’s beyond FBA. This culture is a multicultural thing

[@DrDerrickColon]

I would love to come on your show and shed light on this topic.

[@lflash204]

just go away,,,,,,nobody believes you lol

[@iziahwhite1883]

Dr Colon. You are trolling so heavy everywhere my boy. Everybody has there stance on the topic. Everybody is not going to have ur view point. Everybody has there opinions. But facts are Hip Hop would not be if it were not for FBA "Black American Culture". So what it started in the Bronx and Pr's, and Jamaicans, and other nationalities involved doesn't make them creators. All the Pr Pioneers already stated FBA's created the cultures foundation which is the DJ culture and Emcees and Hip Hop dance not just Bboying because Breakdancing is not the only Hip Hop dance Doccc. The only Hip Hop dance you'll had a hand in is Breakdancing keep it a Buck Doc. Hip Hop is FBA culture period doc, accept it.

[@donaldmccall3968]

Dr. Colon, y'all didn't bring nothing at the table there weren't any latino rapping over beats in the 1920s or break dancing.

[@seancannon1985]

Dr Colonizer is coveting FBA creations!!! Besides feelings and emotions you can not effectively demonstrate what is the significance of Puerto Ricans in HipHop🤔 Being there is not a contribution, yes yall to BBoying to another level but when you go back and look we weren’t even breaking in the mid 80s nomore👀 In order to make these elaborate claims you gotta show proof period 🎯💯

[@spotted_salamander]

RIP to Grandmaster Flowers of Brooklyn. He pioneered mobile DJ'ing, preceding Kool Herc. He's one of the first DJs in Hip-Hop to play outdoor/block jams. He had one of the best, and well known, sound systems in the early 70s. He is first DJ seen, by many, using two turntables in his set and the earliest DJ known to incorporate multiple elements of Hip-Hop into a DJ set (he used tagging imagery and had Freestyle Dancers). @DrDerrickColon Stop trying to use certain words of Kool Herc to suit your foreigner agenda and let go of the "Jamaican Sound System creation" fable to distort origins of Sound Systems which began with PA Systems in Park Jams and Block Parties among indigenous Black Americans in indigenous Black American communities. This is where the Jamaican Sound System concept came from! Jamaican immigrants came to the US in the 1950s, and went back to Jamaica, and tried to duplicate the music and sound, in their own way, after being among indigenous Black Americans in the urban communities that they temporarily immigrated to. They heard and saw outdoor indigenous Black American DJs playing Rhythm and Blues, Soul, Rock and Roll and Jazz, along with live bands, all through a PA system. This is your original "Sound System," which is an American one. And it was along this line of American heritage that developed and gave rise to natives like Grandmaster Flowers in Brooklyn. Also, your erroneous attempts to make Puerto-Ricans "co-originators of Hip-Hop" is disrespectful for the fundamental fact that a foreign population Can Not enter another indigenous population's country and then insert themselves along the timeline of those people's cultural continuum, which is made up of many art forms whether they are musical or otherwise, and then claim to be authors or originators of any of it. That's absolutely foul and disrespectful. You don't care to respect ethno-cultural boundaries, like any intelligent and dignified person would do. The irony in all of this is that you try come across, in one way, as a person who "loves" Hip-Hop, but how can a man who wants people to believe he "loves" Hip-Hop do the type of divisive lying that you are doing in the name of Hip-Hop?? Make it make sense. All you're doing is making your last name, "Colon," appear to be a namesake for Cristobal Colon (Christopher Columbus). Step down, and cease your colonizer behavior.

[@cpasquet]

KRS Lost his mind

[@out2lunch4]

Right he’s saying Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans, but can’t name none of the music 🎶. Why because the music is FBA

[@amon-recrosby3151]

Microphone Check breaks down the history of Hip Hop. We to be gatekeeper of our culture. Other minorities groups have always been divisive towards Black Americans and now we are separating ourselves from them and now it’s an issue. 50/50 creation is a big lie.

[@Genghiskoz]

Black people has become what they have been fighting against and its sad spread love not hate

[@skillet6870]

American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that predated it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and claim you co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, Fat Joe and numerous un-informed latinos---claims you all never mentioned or verbalized during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly becoming scrutinized and debunked--widespread. Make it make sense Latinos.

[@J-nd9ub]

First rap then hip hop ... Urban black music/ culture, then it spread throughout

[@naturalmoments9319]

The dancing Puerto Ricans came in the late 1970s, NOT at the beginning of Hip Hop. The first B-boys were Black American.

[@bshawlab]

The problem is the people have no reference for the birth of hiphop. They believe commercial idea of it. At the very beginning was before New York. So that why people get confused in the first place because it came from the south black slaves.

[@jayshah9967]

Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans had nothing to do with the creation of hip hip. learn yall history man.

[@user-vp4kx1ls2n]

A company to be created needs investors.

[@thapowerexchange]

If you weren't there, you dont really know

[@jackieneal405]

There were no 5 elements to hip in the beginning, Afrika Bambata did that!!!!

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Yes there was. Him inking it doesn't mean it wasn't already going on.

[@yommish]

Undoubtedly Kool Herc and people like Bambaataa, Caz, Kool Dee, Flash, Mario, Theodore, and Coke La Rock are forefathers who laid the foundation for hip-hop. I believe those guys were all African-American or Caribbean. But it should be acknowledged that Latinos were at these parties from the jump and they contributed to the culture. DJ Disco Wiz and DJ Charlie Chase are pioneers, since 1975. Crazy Legs is a pioneer. Whipper Whip. Ruby Dee. Tracy 168. Look at the photos Joe Conzo was taking in 1976. People act like hip-hop was just created one night in 1973 and that was that. It evolved for years before the first record even came out. Latinos should be acknowledged for their contribution to a culture that was very much still growing and developing at the time. P.S. no, I was not there. My view is based on photos, flyers, and accounts of people who were there in the formative years. If you want to share your own experiences I’d be happy to hear them.

[@tyethescrybe3807]

That's not true that hip hop wouldn't exist without the oppressive forces of America... We were doing similar things, such as stylish dressing and musical poetry, in Lisbon, Portugal before we were expelled to West Africa and put on those plantations during the Inquisition. Do the research.

[@robertwilliams1662]

If there's no dancehall there's no break beat dj mc

[@KsgViaFaith]

Actually its not true i was there and they were not and thats facts

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

If we say that Blacks, West Indians and Puerto Ricans contributed to the evolution, doesn't it stand to reason that Blacks brought something to the table? I mean if I tell you I have a tub of water, do I need to tell you it's wet? What we call Hip-hop MUSIC specifically, evolved over time in the mid 70s. This didn't happen anywhere outside of New York. So Black American music was the raw fabric that it was made from. It's like you have a bolt of citten fabric. It's just fabric. What you do with it determines if it's a pair of pants, curtains or a table cloth. Hip-hop music was the culmination of what was made out if that raw fabric.

[@Gods_Child_777_]

He's mad that you have a country to call your own he doesn't understand that concept because wyt people own him and the country he lives in that's why he doesn't believe he has a flag!!

[@ramonnieves7856]

Everyone is a sociologist because we are all the same. Open your head. Hip hop is a culture where everyone is welcome to contribute.

[@PriestForever]

You do understand though, that point has nothing to do with what is being discussed here though... right?

[@mzeastcoastgirl390]

Black 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤 man FBA fuck that ALLLLLL didn't endure pay the price or put in blood sweat tears or stories truth n reality of hip-hop rap STFU lies

[@undisputedtruth6176]

How come nobody contributes to Latino mariachi culture

[@RohgishSun]

​@@undisputedtruth6176that part

[@jayshah9967]

Hispanics excelled long after the Original black american b Boys and Graffiti artists got tired of it and let it go. these guys don't know their history

[@gunrightsmafia9867]

MCing Also known as lyricism or emceeing, this is the oral element of hip hop. It's about having a voice, being heard, and telling a story. DJing This is the aural element of hip hop, and can also include turntablism. Breakdancing Also known as b-boying or b-girling, this is the physical element of hip hop. It's about using the body to express oneself, connecting with a beat, and telling a story. Some of the original core moves of breakdancing include top rock, footwork, back rock, freezes, and power moves. Graffiti This is the visual element of hip hop. It's about having a name, which represents identity and existence. Knowledge This is the mental element of hip hop, and includes historical knowledge of the hip hop movement. Everybody played apart in making this thing we call hip hop!! Just like a cell phone it takes many components to make that cell phone work!! We took many components from all the people in poverty,struggle, the hood type issue into expressing them into music We as blacks wasn't the only people who were expressing that at the beginning!! Jamaicans would go dancing, the Latinos would tag and many ethnicities was dj's some started off in the disco days before grandmaster flash so I agree with krs1 we needed all the elements to create hip hop and blacks played there part like everybody else!! Growing up I didn't even know no black graffiti artist!! They was all mexicans or Latinos and as far as the breakdancing thing the Puerto Ricans was on that shit!! People forget Ozone was a Puerto rican nigga in that movie!! So 2 out of the 5 of those elements blacks didn't perfect and can say they started as far as the mc and dj part but the knowledge part is subjunctive because that's the part everybody arguing about now is the knowledge of the history!!!

[@bshawlab]

It’s weird how the guy that brought up white peoples just jumps right of the point. He should just observe

[@BringingDownTheBand]

Think you missed the joke.

[@absolute7250]

Unless you can name an element someone else created it’s black American all the way. Contribution comes after.

[@d.colecheef835]

How old are you Tether in the yellow shirt? Because I'm listening to you saying a lot of crazy stuff. First of all, no FBA ever said. Latinos did not havea Hand and expanding What we know is hip hop? The only Subject we were speaking on was they Did not create it. Yet you keep saying weird stuff to try. To Them in

[@d.colecheef835]

I know you ain't saying because Hispanics excelled at B boy They invented hip hop.🤔 to Excel is not to Create. We're not gonna sound stupid. On No one's show. Not even yours.

[@unclepecos509]

Listen, PR & Dominicans DID contribute to Hip Hop. Hip Hop is made of Rap, Graffiti, Dress Style and Break Dancing. Go look at ANY OLD FOOTAGE from the late 70's to early 80's pertaining to Hip Hop on KZbin.... They were in Rap but were REALLY into the other elements and it all makes "Hip Hop" You will literally see just as many PR's and Dominicans in that footage. Stop listening to people like that grifter Tariq Nasheed who ain't even 50 years old and WAS NO WHERE NEAR NYC to see ANYTHING. Yet he will gladly take your money for his hating videos though.

[@calicoesblue4703]

Blacks created Hip-Hop. Name 1 Hispanic that created any Element of Hip-Hop???? (crickets???).... The first Hip-Hop MC was Coke La Rock a Black American (1973) The First Hip Hop DJ was Grandmaster Flowers a Black American from Brooklyn (1968) The First Bboy/Break Dancers was Lauree Myers aka Trixie a Black American. The first bboy crew was the Zulu Kings a Black Break Dancing Crew. The First Hip-Hop Grafitty Artiest was Cornbread another Black American. All Subgeneres of Hip-Hop/Rap be it East Coast Rap Westcoast Rap Down South Rap Crunk Miami Bass Trap Chicago drill We’re Created by Blacks. The Hip-Hop comes originally from Afro-American Southern Music like Jazz Soul Funk Blues and Jamaican Raeggea? The slang of Hip-Hop comes from Afro-American AAVE Afro American Vernacular English which has its roots in Gullah Geechie Creole. Learn the facts my guy.

[@unclepecos509]

Who said they CREATED? I said they CONTRIBUTED. Learn to READ big guy ​@calicoesblue4703

[@victorlofton4381]

No one is denying that Puerto Ricans contributed to elements of hip hop culture. We’re talking about the creation of it. It was created by Black Americans and the basis of the sound is rooted in Black American soul, funk and rock music. Not anything Latin based. The first Latin rapper to even go platinum was Big Pun in 1998. And that was decades after hip hop was already popular worldwide!

[@unclepecos509]

@@victorlofton4381 WHERE did they EVER say they CREATED it? LOL Fat Joe said they contributed greatly, which is TRUE. I was THERE from the beginning and last I looked that's what the damn TITLE of this video. How ya'll LEAP FROG to a WHOLE DIFFERENT DEBATE is amazing. KRS, who was there even before me, JUST TOLD YOU that the culture would NOT be the same without them (which is TRUE) and you people STILL say no. NONE of you are from the Bronx, NONE of you were there cause if you were you would say the same thing. Again, for the people in the back. SEARCH ANY old break dancing video here on youtube from the late 70's, HIP HOP videos, graffiti videos, B-Boy fashion videos and tell me what you see. I will NOT allow lies and fantasies to be made up by grifters like Tariq Nasheed who has NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL THEY TALKING ABOUT. FYI - Start by searching the show "Graffiti Rock" on here....then comeback

[@victorlofton4381]

@@unclepecos509 Fat Joe said hip hop was created 50/50 by Blacks and Latinos. IT WASN’T! KRS One is trying to share the creation of hip hop with Latinos and Jamaicans. As I said before, y’all CONTRIBUTED to the culture. But Any breakdancing or graffiti was done first by BLACK AMERICANS. The break beats were from BLACK American soul, funk, rock and disco records. Latinos and Jamaicans contribution to the culture was rooted in BLACK AMERICAN culture. Not salsa, not reggae! I don’t care how many PR’s or Dominicans was in some hip hop video in the 70’s. And I’m from Brooklyn by the way, born and raised, so I know what I’m talking about.

[@arkeif]

Will all respect. You guys are a bit wrong. You are speaking to what HipHop looked like when you became culturally aware. HipHop was started by FBA.

[@jackieneal405]

You guys are IGNORANT!!!!!

[@gunrightsmafia9867]

Am still trying to figure out how the fuck is all these people that are younger than krs1 gone tell him how hip hop was started when he lived through the shit!! Most the people outside of lord jamar didn't even live through the times hip hop was started and like yall said hip hop started with the dj's now is we being real hip hop came from the streets and back than blacks and alot of minoritys inless u was hustling could afford dj equipment and all the shit u needed to do the party's back than!! So if we gone put the dj thing in it u would have to include the disco era we djs was big at that time!! U cant have hip hop without the 5 elements or it's just music not hip hop!! On that note u would have to include David Mancuso who was a legendary disco dj and the cross-pollination went from that into a funk and r&b vibe into it become fully into hip hop!! And alot of the hip hop sounds are samples of old school music anyways so what are we really talking about!! Everybody contributed to this hip hop shit!! And to be far blacks only make up a small part of this shit we're it really matters, because if u think if it was just black on this shit than it wouldn't be as big as it is!! The fact that all walks of life fucks with hip hop and hip hop fashion is what makes it big and what it is today!! Bestie boys the graffiti artist and the Jamaican dance hall is all a mixture of hip hop!! Them Jamaicans been beating drums before people every sense a turn table and them Latinos been making music they people brought that to new york and mixed all that culture together and u got hip hop!! Alot of people had a hand in the shit!! Rick ruban help the hip hop culture be built to what it is today. Alot of people help bring hip hop to what we know it is today!! It's not how u start its how you finish!! This is the finish product of hip hop!! Ozone from breaking was a Puerto rican!! Which is a classic hip hop movie one of the first!! If u want to go back u could go back to jazz and blues which than u can say blacks only because we know we're blues and jazz started but then u can go back farther than that with indigenous tribal music!! This can go down a deeper rabbit hole and it aint that deep!! All this is coming from a couple of mexicans who felt like they wasn't included in the kendrick event and one of them brought up they help build hip hop who cares like kendrick brought out ohgeesy who is a Mexican American rapper out so they got some love but taking that topic to argue about who started hip hop is stupid because Latinos,Jamaicans, black Americans we all needed each other's contributions to make hip hop as important as it is today!! Yall blacks never really bought the albums to contribute to the success of we're hip hop is at it was the white kids and Latinos buying up them albums and paying 2000 a ticket and shit to go see they favorite hip hop artist!! Hip hop is as big as it is not because it's a black thing it's because everybody is contributing to it in some way!! Let it go and just embrace the fact that kendrick is doing something big and everybody wants to be apart of it aint nothing wrong with that but don't let a group of Latinos get yall worked up off some shit they said because it's plenty of Latinos and Jamaicans that don't care how hip hop got here it's created unity and peace at times throughout history and that's the most important part!! Stop with the dr. Umar perspectives and the lord jamar theories when he on his eminem hate!!

[@calicoesblue4703]

Blacks Created Hip-Hop. Name 1 Hispanic that created Any Element of Hip-Hop???? The first Hip-Hop MC was Coke La Rock a Black American (1973) The First Hip Hop DJ was Grandmaster Flowers a Black American from Brooklyn (1968) The First Bboy/Break Dancers was Lauree Myers aka Trixie a Black American. The first bboy crew was the Zulu Kings a Black Break Dancing Crew. The First Hip-Hop Grafitty Artiest was Cornbread another Black American. All Subgeneres of Hip-Hop/Rap be it East Coast Rap Westcoast Rap Down South Rap Crunk Miami Bass Trap Chicago drill We’re Created by Blacks. The Hip-Hop comes originally from Afro-American Southern Music like Jazz Soul Funk Blues and Jamaican Raeggea? The slang of Hip-Hop comes from Afro-American AAVE Afro American Vernacular English which has its roots in Gullah Geechie Creole. Learn the facts my guy. Blacks people were rapping and breakdancing in the 1930’s and 1940’s you can look it up on this very app.

[@PriestForever]

We who are younger than KRS have been educated by the founders who are alive and well and created the culture. Its not hard to find them brother.

[@omardavis1622]

​@@calicoesblue4703 Charlie Chase told the real on Drink Champs, and they still running with this narrative. 😂 it's insane.

[@jayshah9967]

If KRS had the facts, he would simply present them. but he can't because there is no history of Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans during the creation of hip hop

[@omardavis1622]

@@jayshah9967 they were there, just not claiming ethnicity 💯 🤷🏾‍♂️ When in Rome, you know the saying