We only have two regular battalion sized tank units. That can not cut it any longer!
@1234crevis4 ай бұрын
That's why America and NATO got your backs!
@Sam-tc8ic4 ай бұрын
@@1234crevis I think I was wrong. We have 3 of 44 tanks in each
@1234crevis4 ай бұрын
@@Sam-tc8ic that don't matter cuz America has 5,500 tanks plus Natos tanks and we all are allies/friends here and we got each other!
@LeeTillbury4 ай бұрын
We're an island nation. Where we gonna get invaded from, the channel tunnel perhaps?
@thomasw6954 ай бұрын
@1234crevis not good enough we can't spend everything on the navy
@staryjaszczur4 ай бұрын
Nice, but the UK should have 500 MBT. The same applies to Germany and France.
@zamstig664 ай бұрын
as an island i think we should focus more on the naval and air aspect as theres less of a land based risk
@staryjaszczur4 ай бұрын
@@zamstig66 you are are not alone in NATO. You have continental duties too.
@thomasw6954 ай бұрын
@zamstig66 we should atleast have 300 how can we do full military conflicts will low equipment
@MrTangent-84 ай бұрын
@@zamstig66 Well put, but a capable expeditionsry force is still needed 227-283 is what should be aimed for
@Joe-rp8xn4 ай бұрын
No point having loads of tanks if you don't have enough infantry or IFV's to support them.
@DSM69984 ай бұрын
Any anti drone capabilities, clearly one of the biggest threats to tanks currently
@markhepworth4 ай бұрын
Doubt they would be telling us..
@myrants58364 ай бұрын
Totally agree. If anything the war in Ukraine has taught us is that tanks are incredibly vulnerable to drones. Especially if the hatch is left open. It's almost made tank warfare obsolete!
@king_goose4 ай бұрын
Doesn't look like the prototype shown has one yet, but there was a mention in the video of fitting an active protection system, presumably iron fist or trophy. These are hard kill APS. They are basically small missile launchers on the top of the tank that can engage drones and anti tank missiles and slower moving chemical rounds like HEAT-FS and HESH. The tank could also employ soft kill APS which works to disable the line of sight of a missile/drone by using electronic jammers or smokescreens. The black knight tank concept used the hard kill Iron fist APS so we can assume that challenger 3 will probably use it too.
@StillAliveAndKicking_4 ай бұрын
Yes, keep the hatches closed …
@superspies324 ай бұрын
And does the track can prevent the tank drowned in mud? Or does it has any upgrades to prevent it collapsed any civilain bridges it crosses?
@jjsmallpiece92344 ай бұрын
Except 150 vehicles is nothing like enough. No allowance for combat losses. Try again order 600
@Katsumoto04564 ай бұрын
Impossible, they're converting old challenger 2 hulls to challenger 3 and we only have 213 challenger 2s. If we start making new hulls we might aswell go with a clean sheet design not a challenger 2 with a German gun.
@jjsmallpiece92344 ай бұрын
@@Katsumoto0456 Go for NATO compatibility and buy Leopards. The CH3 already has the leopard gun. We have finally dropped the insistence on rifled guns
@7stormy3344 ай бұрын
@@jjsmallpiece9234 If we bought German Leopards we could only use them in conflicts where Germany gives us permission as part of the contract. It's one of the main reasons most major countries want their own MBTs
@jwadaow4 ай бұрын
@@7stormy334 They would be built in the customer's nation using technology transfer. Other nations are replacing their tanks with new designs.
@paper20614 ай бұрын
With what money?
@Pesmog4 ай бұрын
I think the Challenger 3 is now really no more than a stop-gap. It's become clear in the last couple of years that future MBT's need to be designed differently.
@bobvance80174 ай бұрын
Yeah any serious MBT will need some sort of defence from drones
@616CC4 ай бұрын
An automated small caliber point defence cannon would work well I think, for aerial top down munitions and drones maybe 300 rounds
@donutperson90274 ай бұрын
@@bobvance8017 The Active protection system also works on drones.
@thanhnamnguyen52804 ай бұрын
@@donutperson9027 But most systems are still mostly around the tank, and ammo is still extremely limited. I'm banking on a miniaturized ciws system, down to .50 BMG or .338 NM, or even smaller if they can make composite casing and ammo works.
@Mrtweet814 ай бұрын
Whats mountain bikes got to do with this?
@JonathanGScott4 ай бұрын
Only 150 tanks ???
@1234crevis4 ай бұрын
That's y nato and us in America are here to help!
@whylie744 ай бұрын
yep and only until 2040 when it's supposed to be replaced, with less as usual.
@AIVINBIJU-h8j4 ай бұрын
in addition to al;ready existing fleet which should bring the total upto 500
@matthewwelch30074 ай бұрын
@@AIVINBIJU-h8jthe existing fleet consists of CH2 chassis of which there are 227, 148 will be converted to CH3 while the rest are retired. We will have a decrease of 79 tanks.
@lightningleaf234 ай бұрын
@@AIVINBIJU-h8jnope not at all there is no such thing as the existing tanks. This new tank isn’t new it’s an upgrade of the existing tanks and they use the old hulls and convert them. 150 tanks pathetic
@tonyjedioftheforest13644 ай бұрын
Great tank but only 150 is quite pathetic during these troubled times.
@jtr5494 ай бұрын
It's a stop gap, true next gen tanks don't have people in them.
@karadan1004 ай бұрын
There's no money. Our politicians gave it all away. :(
@tonyjedioftheforest13644 ай бұрын
@@karadan100 that is a spot on comment, we give at least £8 billion a year away in foreign aid that we should be spending on our own defence.
@louk5974 ай бұрын
@tonyjedioftheforest1364 But But But Turkey needs 680 millions of out tax payer money to build a new clean rail line in Turkey!!! Godamit!!
@ln57474 ай бұрын
What troubled times? UK has probably never had fewer threats with NI and daft War on Terror over.
@juleshorse90564 ай бұрын
Sorry, 150 is not a credible offer. As an ex-RAC/BAOR/Cold War soldier, with the UKR war we need an all arms division capable of war fighting at scale. 150 doesn't cut it.
@jwadaow4 ай бұрын
True.
@bakersmileyface4 ай бұрын
We also need to account for losses as well. Not every battle will be a victory.
@just_one_opinion4 ай бұрын
How you gonna get them to theater? Props fall off ships, where they suppoed to have missles you have treadmills... your towns are no go sharia zones or burned out filth....and you worry about getting more money to your LORDS and their corporations....
@Mantiscular124 ай бұрын
Then you pay for Ukraine part then.
@jtr5494 ай бұрын
I think there's a realisation that current tanks are reaching the end of their usefulness, they still have a use case but air superiority and artillery is far more important, a tank vs an anti tank missile isn't very affective. The only other reason would be that the focus has shifted to the next gen tank which won't have a human crew inside it, which means it can have even more armour as they don't need empty space for a crew. By producing less of these old style tanks they can create more next gen tanks, which is where the UK has always been, we invented it in the first place.
@pjhgerlach4 ай бұрын
The BV (Boiling Vessel) is the most important piece of equipment of every Challenger. So I'm told... 😂
@thegoat111114 ай бұрын
148 tanks is not taking our role in NATO seriously.
@charliechuck13414 ай бұрын
as much a joke 150 is. our role in nato is primarily our navy.
@ADB-zf5zr4 ай бұрын
@@charliechuck1341 Which is nowhere near as strong as it needs to be.!
@r200ti3 ай бұрын
Which is a good thing, NATO is all about expansion and its expanded up to countries that can tear it a new one. We are best off focusing on the UK, not offensive weapons to be used in far away lands to fulfill the fantasies of the globalist freaks running us.
@ExPraetorianGuard-dl1pz3 ай бұрын
148 is pretty much enough considering its a new advanced tank, also why should they mass produce them? Its only necessary if they have a total war economy which they don't right now. 5hey aren't fighting any wars.
@AndyG_MTB4 ай бұрын
less than 150 tanks is silly. Have you heard theres a big f off war in europe?
@Mantiscular124 ай бұрын
Big f off war? You make it sound like Julius Ceasar has concoquerd all of NATO.
@light161_18 күн бұрын
why should the uk be fighting everyone elses wars?
@AndyG_MTB13 күн бұрын
@@light161_ so we dont have to fight them on our own soil I guess
@light161_13 күн бұрын
@@AndyG_MTB And who is going to be invading the UK?
@trevorhart5454 ай бұрын
If the MoD has insufficient funds for at least 500 then Q. How many civil servants will we need to SACK to pay for these. We are at least 1 Million over stocked with Civil Servants so when will that CUT be announced? That is a minimum of £50 Billion that can be transferred a year to a needy cause. AI can remove another Million that will help?
@__Wanderer4 ай бұрын
Now order 10x the amount to have a realistic tank fleet for war.
@melvin98984 ай бұрын
Yes Quality should be top notch but let's not forget quantity too. Remember, Quantity is a Quality of its own.
@exeverrr4 ай бұрын
you sound like a communist, or maybe Russians were right all along
@cluelessgod974 ай бұрын
How long until someone releases classified files on the WarThunder Forums? 😂
@GR-zo6sm4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@kennethworkman47403 ай бұрын
There are a lot of stupid people out there.
@ColinAnderson-j6s4 ай бұрын
Penny pinch all the way 150 tanks won't last long ,is this government not taking notes of the war in Ukraine
@LeeTillbury4 ай бұрын
It is taking notes. Ukraine was invaded by it's neighbouring country on land by tanks etc. Great Britain is an island nation. Where are we going to be invaded from, the channel tunnel?
@karadan1004 ай бұрын
This government has no money. The conservatives have ruined this country.
@louk5974 ай бұрын
Nah to busy Sending Notes to Ukraine!!.
@smouncy23594 ай бұрын
How did we go from one of the most powerful armies during ww1 and ww2 to this
@whylie744 ай бұрын
labour torie labour torie labour torie, that's how.
@jjsmallpiece92344 ай бұрын
Tories wanted to fund tax cuts, Labour to fund social programmes
@ashleygoggs56794 ай бұрын
Becuase we had the longest ever peacetime in european history. there was signficantly less wars from post world war 2 then the same time pre ww 1. Such an age in peace causes people to not want to join the army which means armies all around the world have reduced numbers of soldiers. As an island nation we are under less threat then those of poland or germany who can be attacked via multiple scarios such as land, sea and air, uk however can only be attakc by sea and air. meaning we have had to worry less about russian aggression then mainland europe. Politicians however really havnt helped in the slightest.
@Katsumoto04564 ай бұрын
@@ashleygoggs5679 That old saying, "if you want peace, prepare for war"
@peterchapman47294 ай бұрын
Historically and geographically our place is as a maritime power not a continental one. Continental land wars are bloody affairs as WWI showed, by WWII we'd learnt that lesson and whilst we played our part on land the balance was more naval and air.
@schnitzel_enjoyer3 ай бұрын
T14 armata and challnger 3 will have epic stealth battles, nobody will be able to spot them 🔥🔥🔥
@davlos-08554 ай бұрын
Where is Lazerpig when you need him
@toma30254 ай бұрын
I'm surprised the MoD hasn't stooped to getting him to do their PR already.
@bobnewhart41834 ай бұрын
- Beautiful like nothing else .. !!! ... however ... 150 tanks will NOT finish the "near - peer" job 'on top' .. !!!
@joetidy91604 ай бұрын
Say what you like about the British army, but we certainly have the best hats.
@Oxley0164 ай бұрын
Not enough men, not enough gear but at least we've got some canny hats....
@peterwait6414 ай бұрын
Now like uniforms made in China lol
@Mantiscular124 ай бұрын
@@Oxley016hats look bent
@Oxley0164 ай бұрын
@@Mantiscular12 you look bent
@matthewbaynham62864 ай бұрын
So they have 150 tanks on order. Currently the US has 5000 M1 Abrams main battle tanks. France has 406 AMX Leclerc main battle tanks. Finland has 100 Leopard 2A6 and 100 Leopard 2A4, (yes, Finland has a total of 200 main battle tanks despite the country having a population of 5 million compared the UK population of 70 million). Sweden has 12 Strv 121 and 110 Stridsvagn 122, (That's a total of 122 main battle tanks despite the country having a population of about 10 million.) Poland has order a total of 1600 main battle tanks with K2 Black Panther as well as M1 Abrams and some Leopard 2. Whilst their old tanks PT-91 Twardy and the T-72 are either still in service or being donated to Ukraine. So back the UK 150 main battle tanks is absolutely pathetic, such a small amount of tanks really makes the UK military a second rate fighting force.
@friedchicken43264 ай бұрын
(yes, Finland has a total of 200 main battle tanks despite the country having a population of 5 million compared the UK population of 70 million) UK doesn't share a huge land border with a potential aggresor. Perhaps you have forgotten that we are an island nation? Does Finland have such a navy as us? Did you study geography at school?
@matthewbaynham62864 ай бұрын
@@friedchicken4326 the Royal Navy isn't that big any more, there has been a bit too many cost cutting measures. Britain bearly has enough ships to escort one of it's aircraft carriers, and Britain can't sail both of it's carriers without other nations stepping in with additional ships to escort. Which is fine at peace time but in the event of war, other countries might be a bit too busy to escort Britains aircraft carriers.
@friedchicken43264 ай бұрын
@@matthewbaynham6286 in the event of a war, allied nations come to our aid. Have you heard of NATO?
@paulbritton38934 ай бұрын
150 tanks !!!! Uk pushing the boat out
@light161_18 күн бұрын
why would we need more than 150 tanks? Waste of money
@markdavies96364 ай бұрын
150 tanks should last you a month! in battle!
@light161_18 күн бұрын
Its a good thing we arent involved in any
@davidpowelson48174 ай бұрын
You couldn't upgrade the lights? You know better lights exist.
@peterwait6414 ай бұрын
Side light/ indicator lights fill up with water when jet washed lol
@joeloiacono88504 ай бұрын
i can't that guy seriously while his wearing that hat
@thewomble15093 ай бұрын
Get your head out of your back end and look into the history of that hat.................................
@mickleblade2 ай бұрын
It might not be about fashion but he's right, it does look silly
@brocks95004 ай бұрын
good tanks, but 150 units??? what happened to adapting to a changing world? absolutely ridiculous
@Meringueatan4 ай бұрын
When I grew up I wanted to go in a challenger 2 😔😔😔
@Aendavenau4 ай бұрын
You still can, Challenger 3 is an Challenger 2 with a few German upgrades.
@captainbuggernut95654 ай бұрын
Just the one is it?😂 Must be all that superior technology that means we only need a 148. Doesn't Ukraine get through that many in a month? Honestly its embarrassing. They have done the same to the navy as well. The American coastguard has more manpower. As for being next gen, its a recycled Challenger 2.
@Fjprints4 ай бұрын
shut up Russian bot.
@apexbuilder01714 ай бұрын
Most countries mbts are mods of previous ones take the Russians for example with the t90 being a slightly better t72 or the abrams or different leopard 2
@light161_18 күн бұрын
Has Russia invaded the UK? No? Then shut up
@MrJonny66884 ай бұрын
It's a modified Challenger 2 lets face it.. can't call it a new tank because it's not.. god we are so cheap in the UK.
@ralpha1122334 ай бұрын
It's not just a "modified Challenger 2" it's a completely new tank. The turret, engine, drive-train, armour, electronics, and survival system are new. It only looks like the old Challenger 2. If you want to see a similar upgrade look at the upgrade life of an Abrams. Still looks almost the same when first introduced in the 80's.
@jwadaow4 ай бұрын
@@ralpha112233 It uses the hull from Challenger 2.
@ralpha1122334 ай бұрын
@@jwadaow So. All of the hulls of M1's are refurbished. It is possible to use old parts to build something new.
@MrJonny66884 ай бұрын
@@ralpha112233 no that's not how a new anything is created there is no new design process taking place it's just taking the old chassis and bolting on some new bits and calling it new when it's clearly not new!. It's a combat and survivability upgrade package. The fact the entire project is called Challenger 2 LEP (life extention programme) and you can upgrade old challenger 2's pretty much spells it out for you lol 🤷♂️. It's not a new tank it's just replacing obsolete components and then calling it a Challenger 3. It's why this program has been actioned over say designing and creating a NEW tank from scratch because that is horrifically expensive and takes around a decade. Like i said it's not a new tank lol i don't know how much simpler to put it for you.. it's just an upgrade package given to existing Challenger 2's for a cost saving over building a NEW tank and also is an excuse for closer ties to Nato by using a different gun and Nato standard ammunition and having the Germans do it for us it's all political aswell. The US does it with their Abrams except they have a different designation for each upgraded version. But still an Abrams tank just an improved version 👍 don't be fooled by the '3' moniker!. It's not the next in the series it's a fancy dancy 2! Not a new tank lmfao you have no idea what your talking about clearly... you obviously don't work in manufacturing do you?. Don't be fooled by the propaganda and don't get your information from Wikipedia or Janes lol 👍.
@JZ0944 ай бұрын
No more colonial income mate that's probably why
@fi-ranmsansame4 ай бұрын
It's a great tank, and I hope Japan chooses it to replace their aging Type 10 tanks.
@light161_18 күн бұрын
Stop warmongering
@carrickrichards24573 ай бұрын
Two Challenger3 regiments! Thirty three Infantry battalions. 14 Artillery regiments. 75,000 regular personnel, 56 Generals, 720 Colonels and Brigadiers (not including civilian equivalents).
@Aendavenau4 ай бұрын
They dont have 500 Challenger 2 tanks to slap a few german upgrades to and rename them Challenger 3 and the 200 they have are old and tired. This is an 50 year old tank after all. The least worn downs are getting the German upgrades (what few there are) and the rest are used for spare parts.
@JCJW1014 ай бұрын
Why are the lights off a 1960's kit car, surely they can use brighter and much smaller ones that would be more resilient in combat?
@jamesmarshall86814 ай бұрын
Doesn’t matter how good it is, those numbers are a joke.
@light161_18 күн бұрын
Why would we need more than 150 units?
@pr2484 ай бұрын
I am gonna get a Challenger 3 tattooed on my face!
@gorkarullan4 ай бұрын
Why do you keep lying to people? It's just an Improved Chalenger 2, same chassis, same engine, same turret... the only thing you change is the cannon, from the Rifled cannon to the smooth cannon to use the same one as the Leopard. With this cannon you barely keep up with the new Leoparts, because you also use the short caliber. You ruled out the 130mm cannon, even the 125mm, to avoid spending money, you ruled out the new Rheinmetall turret. And you haven't even considered improving the engine plant... it's a crappy car. In reality, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MANUFACTURE a single tank, you are only going to recondition the ones you already have. I don't understand why you think everyone is stupid. And on top of that you have left Europe and Rheinmetall is going to charge you more... you are shabby
@rjds18004 ай бұрын
It has a brew kit right? That’s all that really matters tbh, can you get a brew when locked down?
@king_goose4 ай бұрын
it looks great and should serve as a potent and modern adversary for any enemy who may fight us. The addition of the new sights and active protection system make it second to none, however i have a few questions. First off, we all know that we could do with more of them, that probably wont happen but it would be nice to have 300-400 ideally. However, if we did need to build more, do we still have the infrastructure and capability to build challenger 2 chassis as we can obviously build the turrets but to make new tanks we would need chassis too, can we still build them as i heard that the place where the challenger 2s were built has been shut down?
@veblen6744 ай бұрын
Vickers MBT building facilities in Leeds and Newcastle are both long gone.
@OneAndOnlyKJx4 ай бұрын
Do they not see how much equipment is required in Ukraine? It doesn't matter how good your tank is if you don't have enough of them, it won't make a difference
@hoplophobia70144 ай бұрын
How many are you going to actually get, 20? 24?
@s0lthe3rd864 ай бұрын
At least more than than what the Russians were able to make with their T14s anyway.
@hoplophobia70144 ай бұрын
@@s0lthe3rd86 lmao
@famalam9434 ай бұрын
That’s cool…. I’m sure all 4 of them will really make us a military powerhouse
@willfletch58714 ай бұрын
We have enough challly 2 in service and mothballed to do 285 challenger 3. That’s enough for 4 armoured regiments or 12 armoured battle groups and a couple of training squadrons. This is a must if the British Army is considered a serious player.
@7stormy3344 ай бұрын
What about combat losses? no use to have 4 regiments and all of them at half strength part way through a war. Realistically the only way to get a larger number of regiments would be to build more Challenger 2 chassis.
@MrTangent-84 ай бұрын
That 150 never accounted for attrition rates lol
@Aendavenau4 ай бұрын
They are old and worn down, doubt you find 285 chally 2 in good enough condition, and then what? There are no spare parts and the factories who made them are long gone.
@peterwait6414 ай бұрын
less numbers some were scrapped a few years ago!
@willfletch58714 ай бұрын
@@peterwait641 You are correct. 386 entered service. 226 were kept for the 3 regular armoured regiments and 3 sabre squadrons were kept for the Royal Wessex Yeomary and training. 75 were and still are mothballed and the rest scrapped and cannibalised for spare parts.
@isaacbarwood63614 ай бұрын
UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE JUST COMPLAINING, I'd like to say its clear the upper frontal plate has received an extra layer which is atleast an improvement! (despite the still, glaring driver port and lower frontal plate weakspots. Also its worth noting that its received mountings for an independent machine gun which could possibly hint at an anti drone weapon of some sort. ( I would suspect it is, given the lessons the foot soldiers appear to be being taught about anti drone warfare) Finally, its also good to hear confirmation of an active protection system of some sort. However, it is rather a shame how outdated (protection-wise) the hull remains- especially when compared to other western counterparts like the leopard 2a7- we INVENTED THE TANK - cant we do better?
@TheKeirsunishi4 ай бұрын
I'm confused as to why they wear camo but have high vis jackets on; do they want to be visible, or not?
@andyonn92834 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@nickd26644 ай бұрын
Some higher up has a serious issue with safety... the running joke the PT belt the US Army has taken to the level of stupid insanity. Don't get caught without it.
@alastairwallace61534 ай бұрын
shows what you know about the army. not much.
@everTriumph4 ай бұрын
They may be Army, but they are within a factory complex of a civilian firm. All civilian H+S standards apply, no exemptions.
@smithyerdannyboy4 ай бұрын
Here come the tank experts who have no experience working on tanks 😂
@Notwokeever4 ай бұрын
nothing a £39.99 Drone (made in China) couldn't stop in its track's
@grekiki4 ай бұрын
40$ drone won't do much.
@Laurencemardon4 ай бұрын
Did I see one on Red Square for the big May parade?
@haeleth72184 ай бұрын
Looks like a seriously lethal and awesome tank but why only 150? At minimum, the UK must have 1,000 of these things especially the way things are in the world at the moment.
@DanielShaw-c1y4 ай бұрын
Cause were an island and a small one at that plus the UK has always had a powerful navy no point having 1000 tanks if nobody can invade you cause of how powerful your navy is
@JZ0944 ай бұрын
Uk navy is a joke now
@AlecBlanc-mm4sv4 ай бұрын
@@DanielShaw-c1y😮
@SolarErazer4 ай бұрын
@@DanielShaw-c1y you are naive you think those tiny ships will help 😂
@Jin-Ro3 ай бұрын
For the first time in 1,614 years the UK lives in the most peaceful part of the world. Can't help wondering what we'd use it for in the years ahead. I prefer an isolationist approach to future conflicts. Not our problem.
@mitchdaytonam34 ай бұрын
400 chally 1s 227 chally 2s 148 chally 3s …. I can’t wait for the 20 or so chally 6’s we’ll field in 2050. 👍🤦♂️
@MyLittleMagneton4 ай бұрын
2050? That's when we start designing the 4s
@mitchdaytonam34 ай бұрын
@@MyLittleMagneton probably just being facetious to make a point wasn’t I lad, what do you reckon? 👍
@MyLittleMagneton4 ай бұрын
@@mitchdaytonam3 I got that based on "20 tanks", but 2050 kind of beats point as that'd really good.
@mitchdaytonam34 ай бұрын
@@MyLittleMagneton ah righto, you were ok with me being sarky about the number of tanks, but not the year… gotcha. 🙄
@MyLittleMagneton4 ай бұрын
@@mitchdaytonam3 Well yea, they'd be doing an insanely good job with those two numbers.
@wellingtonnorthjunction39114 ай бұрын
I live down the road we’re they are upgrading challengers and my mum works next to it and she can hear them being tested
@Vyper12904 ай бұрын
How about build 1k or more
@Katsumoto04564 ай бұрын
213 max, they're converting old chal2 hulls to chal3
@MrTangent-84 ай бұрын
We're only getting 150
@fragfmgill4 ай бұрын
nice, but will we have enough to make a difference?
@WeatherMan4044 ай бұрын
cant wait for some redditor to leak classified documents on war thunder how challenger 3 is the best tank ever
@nathanielwhite87694 ай бұрын
Excellent news, but ideally the Army could do with circa 448 Challenger 3’s in order to equip 1 full strength Heavy Armoured Division Comprised of 3 Heavy Armoured Brigades each with 2 Tank Regiments of 56 Challenger 3 MBTs each plus 2 remaining Regiments for Reserves and Training. 148 is simply woeful considering the Heavy Armour Losses being inflicted on both sides in Ukraine. With current funding commitments, I sure hope not, our Armoured Forces get deployed into active combat any time soon or in the distant future!
@light161_18 күн бұрын
Why should be fight Ukraine's wars for them? Stop being a doormat
@nathanielwhite876917 күн бұрын
@@light161_ Yes, absolutely. We shouldn’t be fighting Ukraines Battles for it. Look where that kind of foreign policy albeit in a different context, got us in Iraq and Afghanistan! Cheers.
@mongoliandude4 ай бұрын
This is just an upgrade kit. Not a new tank.
@Mohul064 ай бұрын
onlyy 150??? the UK isnt even a naval powerhouse anymore, and MoD has totally given up with the army. pathetic
@light161_18 күн бұрын
We don't need that many. Russia isnt at war with us
@brownb2vid4 ай бұрын
Ok so what happens when a track is blown off with an anti tank landmine? Sure you've got armour everywhere on the body but an enemy doesn't need to destroy a tank to make it useless, just stop it going anywhere. Maybe I've missed the point, and tanks aren't used near minefields.
@LeeTillbury4 ай бұрын
Have you time travelled from 1915 dude?
@TemplarKnight-i9q4 ай бұрын
Make Britain GREAT AGAIN !!!
@light161_18 күн бұрын
We can start with leaving NATO
@BillyCrabtree-ob6py4 ай бұрын
I hope they still have THE most important thing a British tank should have: The ability to make cups of tea incase Nigel and Gertrude get Thirsty on the battlefield.
@AlexLee-dc2vb4 ай бұрын
you should be adopting the Leopard 2 and sending all of your Challengers to Ukraine. NATO needs to standardize.
@justinz48094 ай бұрын
I might of watched it all if it wasn’t for the ridiculously loud ‘background’ music
@DrPandemiczZ4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sticking with British made! Remember we invented the tank there for we should lead the legacy with great engineering such as this, Britaina roles the fields! ❤️🇬🇧🫶🏼
@salman5014 ай бұрын
Another one stuck in the past.
@DrPandemiczZ4 ай бұрын
@@salman501 How the Challenger 3 is very real, so is the Bradley and American tank made with the British, we can talk about our amazing history as much as we desire, idk what the problem is.
@zhufortheimpaler40414 ай бұрын
@@DrPandemiczZ Challenger 3 is just a fixed Challenger 2, that got fixed by the germans again
@EricTViking4 ай бұрын
Well said 👍
@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand23334 ай бұрын
Wrong. Challenger 3 is almost entirely produced by Rheinmetall--a German company.
@SamFBM4 ай бұрын
WE NEED MORE OF EVERYTHING C'MON BRITISH ARMY OUR STOCKS ARE LIKE 30YRS BEHIND THAN WHAT THEY SHOULD BE
@milospurgeon3854 ай бұрын
Finally the best Main Battle Tank in the world is here. Been waiting a while for this.
@peterwait6414 ай бұрын
Abrams Alison gearbox is much stronger than TN 54.
@happymonkey70684 ай бұрын
Until it's in a battle.
@apistodiscus4 ай бұрын
It really isn't the best. The British delusion continues
@AllMightyKingBowser4 ай бұрын
You misspelled Leopard 2A7V very wrongly my dude
@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand23334 ай бұрын
The T-80BVM is the best MBT in the world.
@ZZZ3334 ай бұрын
Full camp with high vis vest is a paradox
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm56174 ай бұрын
Disappointing in the extreme, I hope this is a stop gap measure.
@jarraandyftm4 ай бұрын
Nobody cares if you’re disappointed. You in RAC? Or even the Army?
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm56174 ай бұрын
@jarraandyftm typical, the sheep will argue away every bad decision. The reason the military is in the state it is, is partially people like you arguing away very clear and obvious mistakes and failures.
@jarraandyftm4 ай бұрын
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 do you serve?
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm56174 ай бұрын
@jarraandyftm I was barred due to Autism. I am, however, a geopolitical and military analyst and historian. I have studied Ruso-Ukrainian War extensively. This is not a new tank it's a variant of Challenger 2. The Challenger 2 has been proven in Ukraine to be obsolete and vulnerable in the extreme. Yes the active protection system will improve its survivability, but it's a half measure. It's need both a new engine and weight reduction. Turrets and hulls need reshaping on the roof to be more angled like the floors to give more protection against loitering muntions and top attack ATGMs. Still has a manned turret and the crew are not in an armoured compartment. It's also of the last generation while the US, French, Germans and Chinese are all working on the next generation that will be 15-30 years from now at which point we will be back at square one. May aswell admit this is a stop gap messure and a true next generation tank is being developed. They need 1-2 tanks per infantry company under Company and Brigade command levels within Divisions rather than at the division level as they cannot operate in any more than two's anymore. Meaning they need a lot of them.
@TwtchFlexes4 ай бұрын
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 "barred for autism", yep, that tracks
@autisticdrone.4 ай бұрын
Terrible music, Terrible silly thunderbird hat. Those sights that they rely on can be destroyed by a drone, no protection on them.
@teeengelke72754 ай бұрын
Nice little projectile trap with that depressed bit on the front lol
@headmonk39304 ай бұрын
I thought the same trap point trouble is most here are oblivious to a drone being the kamikaze projectile that's the major threat
@MarkRoss-md2bh4 ай бұрын
Rinse and repeat stick new toys on old frames and the men and women make it work no matter. Only for us to sell it or scrap it in a few years. Plus that wet wipe with a poncy beard. Recruitment that desperate. God help us
@LawrenceReitan4 ай бұрын
So you think thousands of people behind all of this are stupid or what? Stop judging things you have ZERO idea about. People should be more humble and acknowledge that their opinion counts very little, especially when they have no idea of all the reasons and logics behind something. Pathetic to say the least
@fightforaglobalfirstamendm56174 ай бұрын
@LawrenceReitan that's the problem. These are designed by committees and to a budget. They are not designed to be the best they can or should be.
@Thor_Asgard_4 ай бұрын
Calling it Challenger 3 is stupid ^^ its a Challenger 2V2 and nothing more. Still and amazing tank, love it.
@paulamatos49474 ай бұрын
Hi, I was here first
@ratchet25054 ай бұрын
in chat you were!
@paulamatos49474 ай бұрын
@@ratchet2505 yeah
@chopper73524 ай бұрын
Challenger 3 looks & sounds like a solid piece of kit for the British Armoured units. However, 148 is not enough. It wasn't enough in a world pre War on European soil (Ukraine) & it certainly isn't enough now with the full knowledge of what Russia is up to...& we still have other hotspots to contend with...or will with the next decade.. Going from 447 Chally 2's to only 148 Chally 3's is a massive reduction & if Britain is drawn into any conflicts the small amount of Chally 3's will certainly hamstring Britain. I'm sure it wasn't the Military that chose to greatly reduce the numbers, it 100% was a political decision. The only problem with that is Politicians don't fight wars...but they do have a track record of either starting them or at least not making the right decisions to prevent them. Give the Fighting Forces the tools to do the job...& in the right numbers...not a token amount that will be attrited below 100 'serviceable' vehicles very quickly if/when things go 'real hot'.
@biffmuncher23Ай бұрын
All of these military experts in the comments say we have too few tanks. Quality is the priority, and MBTs won't be of any use during a full-scale European war with nobody left to man them...
@r200ti3 ай бұрын
The 2 was called invincible until the Russians saw it. We going to big this one up the same? Easy fix tho, just stick to using it against farmers and dont go attacking the bear on its own turf.
@namefinder4 ай бұрын
In light of recent events, every major power in Europe needs more tanks. Sometimes democracy needs to show its teeth.
@ALCOR_464 ай бұрын
That feather on the berret and the shear number of units got me chuckling. I hope they are better than the M1A1 on the field. Wouldn’t want to see it displayed somewhere
@martingriffiths98514 ай бұрын
All Ican say is „FAB Virgil !“ GJ Telford & co.
@edenshorthousesthouse19253 ай бұрын
Would we benefit from a temperature controlled barrel¿
@whya2ndaccount4 ай бұрын
They didn't check that the BV made the transition??
@Pz.history14 күн бұрын
Are you guys gonna keep the Challenger 2 in service, and then add 150 Challenger 3 ?
@MrTumnus19874 ай бұрын
We really need more MBT’s! Challenger 3 is looking good but 150 isn’t going to cut it at all.
@emersonmsd4 ай бұрын
More MBTs and decent housing for our soldiers and their families is necessary.
@GlennDavidson4 ай бұрын
Britain entered WW2 in 1939 with 143 tanks. Britain produced over 27,000 tanks through 1939 to 1945. The first UK government order of Centurion Mk2 in 1945, just after the end of WW2, was 800 tanks. Take from that what you will. This is a first order of 150 modern MBTs when not on a war footing, for something at least 3 generations more complex and effective. If you're buying while still in "peace-time" on paper, there's at least one big decision among many: pay to stock-pile and maintain large amounts of armour? Or order small batches that can be iteratively improved based on new information?
@tonyp28653 ай бұрын
The Challenger 3 has never been destroyed in battle.
@thomaswilkinson61014 ай бұрын
The British public is ready for huge increases in our Military budget. One thing is clear, we need: MASS artillery, MASS drones, MASS ballistic missiles and MASS Air Defences.
@kencollins63244 ай бұрын
We have zero dedicated drone units. Near zero air defence. Less than 60 SPG artillery guns and very limited offensive missile capability. But thats not the worst of it. We have NO production surge capability, we don't make the components, we are reliant on imports and we have no stockpiles. And you forgot EW systems, we have none of that either.
@jwadaow4 ай бұрын
@@kencollins6324 You understand the issues better than the incompetents in parliament. It's probably safe to say no missile capability aside from whatever tomahawks are in stocks.
@alastairwallace61534 ай бұрын
@@jwadaow and how do you know that exactly.
@Domini_k4 ай бұрын
I remember when some individuals said the UK wouldn't need tanks anymore, how wrong they were. Also, we should be on a war footing we required greater numbers and more soldiers.
@danfay62014 ай бұрын
At 0:41 it looks like a small stress fracture on the road wheel in the left of shot. Its in the 2 o'clock position.
@littlefluffybushbaby72563 ай бұрын
Good spot. I think the rim is rubber rather than metal. If they are the prototypes they've probably been pushed pretty hard to reveal weaknesses.
@CALIMA20004 ай бұрын
Where is the Copes Cage? Are they not aware of the danger of kamikaze drone?
@astrayp014 ай бұрын
The only problem standing in front of tanks is government budget.
@shanetharle92114 ай бұрын
The challenger 3 is the same as the challenger 2 it's just a upgrade
@informedchoice22494 ай бұрын
Cheap n cheerful option. Still kickin ass I imagine.
@jamesoldham99954 ай бұрын
I'm hoping the final model has adequate drone protection.
@LupusGelos4 ай бұрын
We had over 900 Chieftain Tanks when those were built. Now, presuming no more cuts, we're getting about 150 of these....
@sikarek0709454 ай бұрын
can't wait to see the armor effectiveness on war thunder forum
@BOOGERBOY14 ай бұрын
I hope the government and army are producing thousands of these tanks , it's what our country needs
@ImStillWoody4 ай бұрын
150 Tanks is a joke for your economic size and the Challenger 3 is more of a upgrade to the Challenger 2 than a whole new tank.
@kindnuguz4 ай бұрын
I'm happy to see these roll off the production line (As an America). Beautiful tank I do hope more armor in back like a plate over the engine is being looked at. Auto loading now? I think
@soundfx684 ай бұрын
"Unlike Russian-designed tanks, which employ an autoloader, the Challenger 3 will feature a crew of four including the commander, gunner, loader, and driver." No to Turret Tossing, huge design flaw of Russian MBT.
@peterellwood8267Ай бұрын
Nice presentation. Need more, need plenty more. Stuff the Cyber stuff, Boots on the Ground make a difference. Let us hope that C3 Delivers