The Mk II** Snider Short Rifle: Shooting at Longer Ranges

Here we look at what it takes to determine what sight pictures you need to use at ranges longer than 100yds.
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[@capandball]

Cool stuff! Can't wait to try my Werndl to 300-500 meters.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

I,.... can't wait for you to try your Werndl at 300-500m!..... :-)

[@thetruebrit2010]

That's one of the smoothest video intros i've ever seen.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

One take too... :-)

[@thetruebrit2010]

Bless you

[@raincoast2396]

Thank you for another quality "living history" video on the later black powder era.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are quite welcome.

[@paulheiser1]

I love it when you catch on film the projectile in mid-flight.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

The lighting has to be just so, but when it is, it makes for some pretty cool footage, for sure.

[@thomasbaagaard]

Great recordings. It do show very well how curvy the route of the round is... When some people argue why the rifled musket was such a big improvement over the smoothbore, they often fail to understand this issue... Sure it was a huge improvement, but to take advantage of it, your need to be a good marksman and be good at actually judging the distance... (something the wast majority of american civil war soldiers never learned... most never even fired their weapons out side of combat) Have you ever tried to get someone else to set up the targets at more random ranges (like 237yards, instead of 200 or 250) and then try hit them? (so you need to judge the distance also)

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thomas Aagaard Great points, for sure. I do the vast majority of shooting alone so that makes sneaky ranges a bit of a chore...

[@weirdscience8341]

.338 lapua mags leave cool vapour trails behind them they only show up on film or through the scope tho

[@weirdscience8341]

@@thomasbaagaard all rifling really does is make thevpoint of impact more predictable not more straight well it does but you know what i mean shooting .59s at past a kilometre is just as bendy as when they curve bullets on that film wanted

[@yoloswaggins4614]

Have a great new year! Thank you for your epic videos!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@gregorywernke8323]

The pic of the clouds blowing in is amazing.

[@weirdscience8341]

Makes ypu realise qhy they worse bright uniforms in the black powder days seeing how much just one rifle puts out smoke wise imagine thousands more and cannon and being a bit drunk ot would make seeing enemys super hard lol

[@chriswhite3035]

I could watch these videos all day. Thanks for sharing your shots with us

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thanks Chris. Glad you enjoy them.

[@P61guy61]

Great great video. Wonderful tips and fun to watch. Your editing is impeccable.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@CSSVirginia]

Didn't like that tree anyway............ It looked shady.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You know, come to think of it, it was taunting me with my misses....

[@JosipRadnik1]

@@britishmuzzleloaders Since that young and promising tree at 11:47 obviously had to be sacrificed for the glory of the victorian army at the blossom of a promising youth... couldn't we at least give it a posthumous medal or at least a mention in dispatches?

[@tackytrooper]

@@JosipRadnik1 We shall place the video of its death on TikTok and loot a Target store in its honor, the 2021 way.

[@nedwardmumford7525]

Every video of yours I watch is such great quality, and so informative, a real joy to watch.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you like them!

[@Mitcchhh]

Another great video.Thanks for all your hard work putting these together for all of us Rob. Hope to see more in 2017!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it Mitch!

[@justg6871]

Those bullet in flight and striking target shots were awesome... kudos

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Good lighting that day!

[@maff1975]

One of your best videos, excellent work!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thecannonchannel924]

Another great video. Indeed, your channel is very refreshing.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thanks! Glad you find things to your liking!

[@Sheerwater909]

Another wonderful presentation. Thank you and a very Happy New Year.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@brianmoore1820]

I, in New Zealand, say thank you for such an outstanding video. Almost persuaded to go out and begin my search for a Snyder, or a some such.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You won't be disappointed in a good one found, Bryan. Best of luck!

[@mrbikehunter]

Thanks for the tip about blackening the sights it really has made a difference for me .I added some height to my front sight as well some time ago to get my snider to zero. Thank you Rob

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Great! Glad something was useful in all this. Cheers.

[@j.paul.joseph]

Your videos are always a lot of fun.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you feel so. Cheers.

[@jamie18thmo73]

Another great video Rob. Made me even more determined to get a Snider. Cheers!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Awesome! Best of luck finding one. You'll not regret it.

[@sandmanhh67]

Splendid stuff as usual mate and glad to see the cold Canadian winter hasnt stopped the black powder fun. Have a great new year chief, and I look forward to another years worth of shooting ahead. PS: Thanks for the link to the RQ.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

In all honesty, this was filmed in October.... there is all kinds of snow around now.... :-) Glad you enjoyed it.

[@chriscandy3021]

Thanks for another excellent video. Happy New Year.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

And to you! Cheers.

[@tjh44961]

I always enjoy your videos very much! Happy new year!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Great! Thanks Tom.

[@josephjames259]

Excellent video. I am glad to see new content! I always learn something interesting.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you Joseph.

[@matthewmoss1589]

Great video Rob, happy new year!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thanks Matt!

[@jimstanga6390]

Another really informative and entertaining video.....especially the tree trimming trick.....Thanks again for all your information and willingness to share with everyone in the KZbin Community. Happy New Year and keep those range videos coming....

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed things. Cheers!

[@barrysmith5005]

You do the best reviews thank you!

[@Colinpark]

This really captures the increase in rate of fire over muzzle loading. Plus your sighting diagrams at 15:50 will be useful teaching my daughter for her cadet range class.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad it was of interest! Cheers.

[@B_Squadron_Y_Patrol_Planchet]

Great opening scene :) Entertaining and informative as per usual :)

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you found it so!

[@teec3385]

Well explained Rob, always learn something new from your videos. Thank you.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@limeydavey]

this along with the snider and martini are THE reasons I'm getting out of a lot of the modern guns and into the older gear , I can't wait to start running up martini henry ammo......make a welcome change from 300 win mag and 8mm mauser etc , this guy is a legend !

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

What's a 300 Winmag?...... :-)

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

I just watch this video again, I thoroughly enjoyed it the first couple times that I watched it , I also shoot the Snyder Rifle and have learned much from watching your videos I thank you for that, PS. Our loading procedures are identical ! 👍😊👍

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad to hear that you enjoyed it! Cheers!

[@AndrexT]

Excellent marksmanship and now I see that my carbine sight can ramp up and also with the aid of a jewelers loupe, I can see the numbering. I have had this rifle 10 years, I am off to clean it!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Excellent!

[@HaydnHaendel]

As usual, your videos are stupendous. Keep it up!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@bernerbar7886]

Great video, as always... Thank you, Sir!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@alejandrovegas7523]

Just plain awesome. As always!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@monteandandelinprice5161]

Great! Now I want to buy a Snider; thanks a lot. Great video!! Keep them them coming.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are most welcome.... hehehehe....

[@stuartmoody3518]

Another great video!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@isaacbridges1892]

Great video! Glad you made this video, I just picked up one of these that's missing parts so still scrounging to piece it together. IMA has been great on getting some things but are out on other parts I need to finish build but it's going back together nicely. Got to get an original untouched from IMA without the snider conversation next to build for a comparison and so it will not be lonely lol. Keep up the good work

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@TheDave570]

You better watch, BigFoot, will sneak up behind you !!! Happy New Year!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Not with my Snider booming away, he won't!... :-) And to you.

[@qeis2393]

happy new year everybody, have a good year!

[@M80Ball]

Excelent as always.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers.

[@squidgypoppet]

great channel and topics,

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@AlfJDale]

Best video yhis year :-) Top notch Rob,thanks!

[@jaredkennedy2555]

another great video

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you.

[@pikeywyatt]

love the sound of the gong..

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Me too!

[@duncanandrews1940]

Another good job mate..........enjoyable as always. I was at the range today with my Pedersoli P58, applied the sighting as per and guess what? Consistency at 50 & 100 mtrs - All over the place. Think I have a bullet problem!!!!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

I am sorry to hear that, Duncan. Stay the course!

[@duncanandrews1940]

Working on it Rob - probably shoot better when I get my hat!!!

[@MrBigboy3178]

Enjoyed the video very much, informative and entertaining, and it's making me want a snider of my own :)

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

RUN,... don't walk,... to your nearest Snider store.... :-)

[@southmarkpropertymanagemen9759]

Great video!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@bmp130]

Another great video rob! I finally have my martini henry shooting the way I want it so now I can put some time into my sniders. Unfortunately my Nepal snider is no longer safe to shoot, so now i have a DC marked sporter I have to work on. Bit of a hack job as its not a cadet carbine but might make a good shooter.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers! Great to hear about your Martini and best of luck with your DC Snider.

[@lazaglider]

Goodness Rob, thats a hell of a photo at 9 minutes.

[@tays8306]

Your channel has succeeded again in spending my o/t money. Bought a nice mk3 snider. Now....to find black powder.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice! Good luck!

[@tays8306]

@@britishmuzzleloaders Thanks. Managed to wrangle 25 pieces of brass and some .600 bullets!

[@brianheagren3578]

You have the March Music Volume Perfect!! Thanks..

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Haha... Glad you enjoyed it.

[@bruceevans56]

Kudos to your cinematographer.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

That's me... :-)

[@bobm7514]

Another great video Rob...you look like you've lost some weight as well. Cheers! Happy New Year

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

No, no,..... just put on the fat filter...

[@thomaspickles9058]

I'd love to see a video on all of your uniforms, you seem to have quite the extensive collection

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's in the works... :-)

[@gunjirox7485]

Dear Sir, we look forward to a great year full of historical shooting.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Me too!

[@TwentythreePER]

Another fantastic video with a lot of time and effort put into it. It shows in the quality of the video and shooting. I've been wanting to get into BPCR long range shooting, it just seems so satisfying when it's going good. I like how you explained the different sight pictures used. Personally I prefer the full sight at the center mass position but I know sights aren't as adjustable on Victorian military rifles so that's not always an option. Speaking of sights, your short rifle seems to be dead on with the windage. Are the sights correctly aligned or are you using Kentucky windage? I love the videos, keep up the good work.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it! I added some brass to the both the sights to bring them on... semi permanent mods... More to follow on that in the grouping and zeroing video coming up in a while...

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

Thank you for these great user friendly video's,,,,,,

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are most welcome!

[@torturedtale49]

Brilliant. Thanks.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers.

[@MistaAndre75]

Great job !

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thanks!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Bet you can't wait! There are many videos on the Snider in the Snider Playlist on the Channel... The two part series on Ammunition might be helpful to you. Cheers!

[@mattarmstrong9205]

Great video Rob, felt like I was there with ya. Man, that Alberta storm cloud looked intimidating as hell. I like the maritimes, storms seem to sneak up on us out here. Keep up the great work 👍🏻, and keep working on that government funding 😉

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Haha.... Thanks Matt.

[@dawnpatrol1943]

always love seeing these old war horses getting shot at range love the videos keep up the good work sir!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Me too!

[@raider6511]

Great video's. I like the way u shoot and wear the original clothing.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@stewknoles4790]

Very nice.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers.

[@colonelsanders104]

Great review. :) Thanks a lot.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@Ben_not_10]

Holy cow, one can already surmise that .577 snider is a rather beafy chunky of lead, but watching it in flight is.... in my mind I’m saying “dang that’s a big one.”

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's a heavy one, indeed!

[@MusketMan1997]

Once I get my Snider resleeved (a tiny portion of the rifling near the muzzle decided to uproot itself) by Bob Hoyt I’d love to attempt this type of workup!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

For sure!

[@jusportel]

Man, watching your videos really makes me miss my Sniders. And my M-H Mk. II. And my Parker Hale 1853 😿. If you set up a camera part way to your target, you might actually be able to see the bullets go by. And hear them, they go; “hummmmmmmn” as they fly over. Our range is built in a soaking wet muskeg, so in our fall black powder shoots, I would fill the base of a Minie bullet with lube, and press a few grains of FG into the lube. The lube would produce smoke and make it easier to follow its trajectory, and thus easier to teach others about the importance of accurately judging distances.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

In one of the Alberta Shoot videos, there is just such a clip of overhead bullet noises.... shooting at 700 yards...

[@jusportel]

@@britishmuzzleloaders awesome, I will have to look for that. I just closed a deal on a M-H Mk. III today, now I have to search the catacombs and see if I have any brass laying around.

[@cesarortiz2143]

Ah, my good sir. I see you use the wooden 3 section shotgun cleaning rod, good show. 😁

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Never leave home without it!

[@RebelForce8]

Lobbing them out there. Great footage catching the bullets

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@mauwalker]

Liked!

[@petermartini8346]

Rob, that was just great. I especially liked the time you took to explain the different sighting positions. I have read of taking a "fine sight" in old memoirs but never knew what exactly was meant by it. Have you shot your longer 3 bander at these longer ranges?.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Hi Peter, Glad you enjoyed it. No, I haven't had the opportunity to get the Long Rifle out like this yet. Eventually, of course.

[@chertmonkey2368]

I love the snider....

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

They are fun rifles, for sure.

[@benlaskowski357]

SEVEN HUNDRED YARDS!? Crap. I ain't that good. Your zero group at 100yd was awesome. And wow! The camera got the bullet!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@barefact7412]

can you please do a complete video of all the british guns of the 1800s. Im looking that incremental improvement. I am willing to invest even 2 hrs to see this..

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

That’s pretty much the whole Channel.

[@arthurdukeofwellington361]

Rob, Hopefully you get this as it is a bit of an old video now. Have you ever considered a "fouled shot", say a round designed to clean the bore after fouling. Perhaps a tight fitting round covered in fabric to act as a pullthrough whilst loading a small charge? Just a consideration I thought of and now you'll prove me wrong on! Thanks!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Can't say that I have. Not really anything historical in that regard.... There wasn't any service ammo that bore any resemblance to that sort of thing... interesting concept though...

[@danellis4437]

Happy New Year and another great video Rob. I have a couple of questions. What material are you using in the cartridge that you use to blacken the sights? Also, with the Enfield ladder sight, could you also flip the ladder up vertically and set the slider to say 200 yards as apposed to moving the slider along horizontally? Is there a difference? Thanks

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Hi Dan. It's just a bit of cleaning flannel rolled up and soaked with gun oil. As for the ladder, no.... in the bed, it is graduated from 100 to 400yds and the lowest setting with the ladder up takes up with the lowest being 500. Happy New Year to you and yours as well.

[@rifleman17hmrshooter]

did you change your load or perhaps temp and humidity changes changed your poa/poi from previous dope? great video, I really want a snider

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

The load, no change. Temperature was about the same. Humidity a little more in the second practice. I've come to realize that sometimes, there is no explanation... :-)

[@survivalaustralia01]

Rarely we get biblical rain in Australia. But when we do. Oh boy!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Haha!

[@berhorst59]

I wish all shooters would watch the part about sight pictures. I often wonder when shooters say their rifle shoots very low or very high are actually using proper sight picture

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's certainly a factor, yes...

[@kingofthefleetians7569]

I have one with turkish markings and the firing pin components in the breech block missing, it also doesn't stay shut too well. Anyway I could fix it?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Yes you could.

[@Aervund]

Hey Rob. Where dou you get your reenactment clothing? In particular your green forage cap seen in this video. Thanks so much for such great videos.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

HI Ryan. There is a whole series on kit used on the Channel.. The Kilmarnock is is Part 1.

[@Aervund]

Cracking

[@banhammer7243]

Are the black powder loads you are using "Full Military" power (is that the right term?) or just your personal preference for target shooting? If they are not "Full Military" what are the diferences in range, recoil and accuracy between the two? Great videos, have shared them to a few people who are interested as well :D

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Some are... My Snider load for this rifle is just a bit under, in all cases. That is why I have to re-zero the rifle at these longer ranges. Typically, the loads I end up using are more accurate than what a modern version of the service load would be. It's very hard to replicate them today due to the better quality BP they had back then. I always go with the load that is the most accurate/consistant. Sometimes, as with the Martini, they are the same (85gr FFg in that case)

[@fookyff]

I like your 'Yatagan' bayonet, Would this have been an issue to a higher ranking soldier , i.e sergeant with the lesser ranks issued with the cruciform bayonet?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

In Line Battalions, yes, the Sgts were issued the Short Rifle and the Yataghan bayonet. In Rifle Battalions, all ranks had that combination.

[@weirdscience8341]

I love your portable bench rest did you build it or can i buy one as i shoot rabbits with air rifles and a little pop together rest like that would be perfect..also tey talc as filler i feel it would work well

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's home made.... so no.

[@charlesjhemphilliii4792]

Sir could you show a close up view of the breach operation and of a detailed description? Or do you already have that in a previous video? Which one was it?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Yes, it is in the Snider playlist...

[@johnwalker65]

i have a snider MKII * long rifle and i use the same bullet and brass combo that you do and it is surprisingly accurate. i started casting .600 round balls and loading with 75gr 2f and a generous wad of lube on top. these shot much better than expected. have you tried shooting round balls ? and do you have any distance shooting footage with the long rifle? awesome video btw! thanks

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Hi John. I have used RBs only for fire forming. Since I got the XRing bullet right off the bat, I haven't used any other. I haven't stretched the long rifle out for range yet. Cheers.

[@Glenfilthie1]

Good work lad! Your sharply turned out kit and equipment is an inspiration to the regiment! :) Are you in BC, BM? Does X-Ring ship to Canada? Where is a good source for these grand antiques?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it John. Yes I'm in BC. X-Ring most certainly ships to Canada. Try P&S Militaria, Elwood Epps, or the Joe Salter Canadian subsidiary...

[@Glenfilthie1]

Thanks Brit!!! Do you have time to answer a few basic questions about getting into antique rifles? If so, could you e-mail me at [e-mail]? This looks like something I would really like to get into and advice from a vet would be most welcome....

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

On the main page of the channel, click the "about" button and the channel email is there. Looking forward to hearing from you!

[@TheEvilmooseofdoom]

John - P&S had a snider short rifle on sale just before Christmas, I came within a hair of buying it before finding a private one. They also have a selection of long rifles and a Springfield Trapdoor that I fancy. :)

[@miatafan]

why blacken the sights? iv always found a little white paint on my front sigh helps my eyes see the sight picture.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

I find that with a lighter colour background, whether it be the countryside or, at closer range, the actual target itself, the darker sight picture is what is most visible... of course, to each, his own... :-)

[@Polymath9000]

Very good video 👌 I have a question what is the bullet drop of .577 at 400 yards ,300 yards,200 yards,100 yards.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

If you google Snider trajectory you might get some diagrams.

[@Polymath9000]

@@britishmuzzleloaders Thanks

[@rickofpolynesia8070]

The shadow through me off. I thought he was tucking that thing to his ribs and not his shoulder lol

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nope!

[@keithmoore7390]

do you stay with a load when you find one or do you occasionally tinker around to see if you can improve the round that you've worked up? it also seems to me that altitude has some impact as to air density on the sight picture as well!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Yes I do... The work up is extensive and mathematical. It doesn't lie. For me, that's the work up,..... finding the best load. I think that the deviation in zero probably came from the difference in elevation between the firing point and the target in each practice. In the first, I was shooting uphill and in the second, downhill.

[@keithmoore7390]

britishmuzzleloaders ws just wondering on altitude, I know I can tell the difference when i'm in Kentucky and when i'm in N.W. Ohio! the altitude difference tends to throw the sight picture off!!

[@kenns9]

would it be fair to say that with the intro of the snider action, the ammo for the pattern 53 was just encased in a brass cartridge instead of paper?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

The Snider bullet was very different from that of the P53. Have a look at the Enfield Ammo and Snider videos on the Channel for some more info if you like.

[@pgtmg624]

Love your videos. I want to buy a Snider conversion. If only one is purchased would you recommend three band or 2 band?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

I would say, the one with the best bore/crown/chamber.... Failing a difference there, I would say that the Short is bit handier.

[@pgtmg624]

Thank you for the advice.

[@danjf1]

a 150+ year old rifle still viable for woodland whitetail deer hunting - awesome!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Indeed!

[@EldarKinSlayer]

An excellent video on a little known Victorian Era Timber Falling Technique. Do you have a Theory on why the Black Powder God's are so perverse, and what practices might appease them? Could Barometric Pressure, Humidity, and Temperature have that great an affect? A rifle that has to be rezeroed every day loses a great deal of its utility.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's not bad all the time.... There were differences elevation which probably had more to do with it than anything else, with the trajectory being so curvy..

[@wierdalien1]

15:53 is punchinello. bloody hell rimmer gets around

[@leskelly5783]

Cant wait to get out hunting with my snider. I have no doubt within 150 yards.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's a big chunk of lead...

[@charli198321]

Instead of British muskets can you do American muskets such as a 1795 Springfield a Kentucky long rifle Henry rifle and a 1861 Springfield

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Send them to me and I'll do them... :-) .... I don't own any of those rifles as they are not really my interest... Besides, the name is "british"muzzleloaders........ kidding on that one, of course.....

[@Yak9741]

It'd be awesome if you were to link up with some U. S. Civil war reenactors for an alternate history scenario. The Brits almost joined the Confederacy after all, and probably would have started their invasion from Canada.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

A little bit before this rifle though!... :-) If the Empire had the Snider a bit earlier, nobody would have stood a chance against them.... Not while armed with muzzleloaders...

[@Yak9741]

Perhaps the Sharps or the Henry could have done better. An interesting comparison to be sure.