Nightwish - The Poet and the Pendulum (BRITS REACTION)

Nightwish - The Poet and the Pendulum (BRITS REACTION)
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[@obud3777]

The beginning is a boy soprano named Guy Elliot, the second part high vocals was Tom Williams in the origanal version because Anette couldn't sing that. Floor wanted to sing all the high parts, but Tuomas wanted to keep the First Boy soprano in it.

[@BritPopsReact]

@O Bud Thank you for the information, much appreciated. Cheers

[@sebastienwaslet2578]

What a gift she is

[@arya.yudhistira11]

This is really BIG!!! BIG story, BIG music, BIG vocal, BIG stage... absolutely BIG masterpiece of lifetime.

[@chrisdixon6259]

When the boy says ‘3 minutes and counting’ it’s exactly 3 minutes till the pendulum falls. Gives me chills every time

[@pavelsuvorov5036]

Nightwish is one of the best bands of our time!Thank you, friends.Great reaction!🔥💥🇷🇺

[@BritPopsReact]

@Pavel Suvorov◼ Thanks Pavel, that was pretty Epic!!

[@SYNtemp]

Thank you people, it was a joy to watch you enjoying this masterpiece...

[@TomTomson81]

Hi friends 😁 the song is about depression and it is also musically composed. Just like depression works. Rapid mood swings. From anger to resignation, doubt, hopelessness to death. Tuomas once said he killed himself in the song so that he would not do it in life. What this really is for a composed masterpiece shows, among other things, the place where the boy says "3 minutes counting". From this moment it takes exactly 3 minutes until the pendulum (guillotine) falls and Tuomas makes the suicidal hand movement. The beginning was sung by a boy, as well as the spoken lines were spoken by a boy. The song starts with the "in the end" and ends with "the beginning". Tarja was Tuoma's muse and friend since childhood. The nonsense with love comes all from the hate corner. Tarja fans who have not coped with her Exit .

[@77bubba00]

Yep The timer starts at ~13:50 (in your video).

[@laudatosiadastra1218]

Thanks for the reaction guys. It´s a very dear song for the Nightwish fan base. I think you will appreciate it immensely when you get a chance to sit down and watch it again by yourself with no breaks in between. It´s a masterpiece!

[@louisminten7889]

Tuomas wrote this song in a for him terrible time (deep depression), but he was so precise that after the words 3 minutes and counting it is exactly 3 minutes that you see him slash his throat with his hand and commit suïcide in the song. Lucky for us he didn't do it for real and can we still enjoy his great musicianship. BTW Tuomas only loved the voice of Tarja and they grew up together. So there was a long time friendship, but nothing else

[@Jeroen-hj6ov]

There is no more beautiful creature in this world than Floor on stage.

[@gothicmetal3191]

Loved it 😊 Thanks guys Hearts

[@BritPopsReact]

@Gothic Metal Hey Gothic, thanks for popping in and for the comment. We did it in our own BPR style and didn't try and talk about things we have no idea about, but we know when we enjoy something and for BP1 to make it all the way through was a big achievement. Have a great weekend. All the best

[@lujalainen1]

yesterday was edgar allan poe birthday and this song have messages about his production. thanx to great reaction like always and have wonderful day there.

[@tahhah3449]

This is so Fantastic song , sad and Beuatifull!

[@Mind-your-own-beeswax]

The beginning was a child lads. This song is a masterpiece of composition. Tuomas has his keyboard angled that way as it’s easier on the wrists to play while standing up. BP2 mentioned the keyboard stand that looks like pipes and Tuomas used that on the Imaginaerum Tour. The Wembley show was part of the Endless Forms Most Beautiful Tour and the stand looks like a tree. Behind he has 3 Korg keyboards. The Kronos, Karma and N364

[@pro-v7500]

To expand about the tree-like keyboard stand with regard to this tour promoting the Endless Forms Most Beautiful album: EFMB marks a turning point in Tuomas’s writing inspiration, from fantastical in content to reflection of the natural world (Shudder Before, The Beautiful The Great Show on Earth, Weak Fantasy, etc.). His choice to use a simple tree-like structure is pretty in the nose for the inspiration of that tour’s album. However, I think there’s a bit more subtly to it too. The manner in which the tree is depicted looks very similar to the crucifixion. I think this is a subtle use of satire to show how mankind has crucified the nature world in the name of organized religion created by man. Also it looks like a ship’s prowl ornamentation and he’s just the captain sailing his ship through the high seas of music lol.

[@erickvermeulen9734]

Nice. I always assumed the man figure was like Atlas,. carrying the earth (nature and human) on his shoulders. Interesting how this is multiple interpretable.

[@kevinbridges4361]

I thought it was Groot!

[@shawnski001]

Hey guys! Amazing song, eh? Floor's breath control on this is insane. When you do the Greatest Show on Earth, please, please please do the Tampere version that is 21:29 long. Listen to everything, right through the end credits! This version is outdoors in Nightwish's back yard of Finland. There are other versions that get hyped because Richard Dawkins comes out on stage at the end, but it is NOT as great a show. Good, but not great! :) And since you are going for the GREATEST!!! :P Lots of other reasons for the Tampere too, but I won't spoil it for you two. Thanks again, and cheers!

[@donepearce]

Well, I have to disagree. All the Tampere one has to offer that is special is the fireworks. Wembley is musically superior, particularly Troy's guitar/cello parts). And of course persuading Richard Dawkins to participate was an amazing coup.

[@shawnski001]

@@donepearce Disagree all you like, you are just wrong, ESPECIALLY about Troy's parts. That is what bothers me most on that one. And I don't give a darn about Richard Dawkins. Not whatsoever.

[@donepearce]

@@shawnski001 Really? That strikes me as an odd viewpoint on Troy, but it's yours so I can't say you are wrong on that. But on Dawkins you are utterly wrong. Troy brought Dawkins to Tumoas's attention when he gave him a copy of The Greatest Show On Earth. Between them they wrote this to celebrate the book, and wrote a real letter - not an email - to Dawkins asking if he would narrate parts of his book for it. He loved the song and agreed. It was quite a coup for them when Dawkins agreed to appear in person for the Wembley show. That alone should be enough to make it the version of choice, quite apart from the musical superiority and the electric Wembley atmosphere.

[@shawnski001]

@@donepearce I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT RICHARD DAWKINS. His words are throughout both performances, that is enough. If anyone wants to see that alone, they can check it out separately. And no, the Wembley show doesn't have "musical superiority". The Tampere performance (and atmosphere) are by far superior. Just stop.

[@donepearce]

@@shawnski001 you appear to have more than a dog in the fight. There is clearly a personal issue at work here.

[@vhc6600]

You have done 2/3 of the trilogy of masterpieces now one more to go... The Greatest Show on Earth (Tampere, Finland get with lyrics on screen)

[@Thorgrim247]

Emppu is a nickname for Erno Matti Juhani Vuorinen with the ppu added as a diminutive. The end of the Tarja era. The beginning was a young English soprano choir boy singing. Now you know why it is important to understand the back story. You both seem to have basically understood the emotional journey for Tuomas. This goes way beyond a song. It is an artistic masterpiece. No other metal band would produce something of this magnitude. Foer something not really in your wheelhouse, you gave it a great score BP1. A 10 from BP2. Wow!!!!!! ☝🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂

[@hennieniceguy]

A Master piece omg this is great and epic . thanks

[@vogel2280]

Tuomas fired Tarja is a very messy way in an open letter listing every thing she ever did wrong, while Tarja was popular like Lady Diana. The media fried his ass...even the Finnish PM voiced his opinion. Tuomas had lost a friend, his innocence, the singer of his band, the entire repertoire was written for Tarja's unique style (no one else could sing it..or so they thought), the popularity of NW took a nose dive way below zero. He thought Nightwish (aka "the Child") may never recover from this.... He wrote 3 songs in anger: anger towards Tarja (Bye, bye beautiful), anger towards Tarja's husband Marcello (Master passion greed), anger towards himself (The poet and the pendulum)

[@kentk2215]

This is a masterpiece and one of my favorite songs. The first act, is a recorded track, sung by a choir boy. The very end, where Floor sings the notes after the final lyric, was originally a backing track of a choir as well, but Floor took it on and made it even better. This is a death, a death of part of Tuomas, of who he was before this devastating period. A suicide by lyrics is a pretty good analysis. It is also a new beginning, where his parents helped pull him through, and start something new. I consider it Tuomas’ magnum opus. Greatest Show on Earth is another epic journey, that has in some ways, has replaced this in performances. They only performed this song 20 times with Floor, and not since 2016. Without Marko, and time passing since this period, sadly, we may not see it performed again. Keep exploring Nightwish. There’s still much to discover.

[@BritPopsReact]

@Kent K Thanks for the comment Kent. Much appreciated.

[@no_onein2024]

A MASTERPIECE!!!!

[@jenell56]

BP1 came of Age today! He managed to sit through this epic Masterpiece without complaining and it was AWESOME!! Thankyou Guys for a great Reaction :)

[@BritPopsReact]

@jenell56 He really is getting better and he didn't even sneak one snack during the whole performance. Thanks for the comment too.

[@davidwells7786]

Oh guys. So glad you enjoyed this. Floor is not just a phenomenal vocalist. Her empathy and presentation is next level. Can’t say how often I have heard this, but the emotion hits you every time. Some fans still do not agree who is the best of the three Nightwish vocalists, but I don’t think there is any debate over this track. Obviously Tarja never performed it, but forgetting the subject matter, you can’t imagine anyone doing it better than Floor

[@chueysmama2622]

Oh my God! B1, Chuey and I are so freaking proud of you sitting still so long. Not fidgeting or bitching about how long the song is. This is a masterpiece, sooooo good! One can get lost in Floor's voice but then add Marko..... Great job Gentlemen, again Nightwish brought me to this channel. You already know Chuey has 4 paws up!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Chuey's Mama Yes, he did good, even I was proud of him and that tales a lot. We appreciate that you are such a fan of the channel even checking out artist you really don't enjoy but giving them a try. Always great to get the daily Chuey updates too. Cheers

[@BigzampanoXXL]

Thanks for your reaction. Well done for me.

[@BritPopsReact]

Thank you too!

[@markusjackel2132]

Those damn Onion Ninja again….Every bloody time I listen to this they get me….Wen she sings "Tuck me in beneath the blue" I am normally done…this is a masterpiece. And I have heard this one like 683 times already…. And even if you didnt study the background story - this awesome piece of Music stands for its own. Love it. Thanks for the time and the well deserved 50 - You are completely right there. She deserves it. All Hail Queen Floor !

[@benjaminrider6351]

This is one of Floor's greatest performances, in my opinion.

[@gene6690]

Wonderful reaction mates. Once anyone has been exposed to Nightwish’s awesome songs and band members, and after researching the context behind this song can one fully appreciate, the immense impact of this amazing production. 💥💥💥 Tuomas and his soldiers are a cut above the rest

[@eddiehesselman3904]

Great reaction again of the both of you 👍👌👍👌 Floor has made this song so real because of the emotion she put's in. Kind regards from the Netherlands and stay healthy ❤❤

[@johnroache32]

Whitney Houston 29 years old when this was recorded. All the bells and whistles of a big studio of the time. 23 takes (quite normal) supposedly Angelina did this in two. 🌺🌺

[@duncanwyer2460]

🇬🇧 Norfolk division reporting for duty joining you for this masterpiece Who else could say I only have three minutes and counting and in exactly three minutes the blade falls ,I say I again masterpiece!

[@paisa20]

Thanks

[@ralfmeyer9086]

Thanks guys, very good reaction to The Poet...🤘👍

[@BritPopsReact]

@Ralf Meyer Cheers Ralf, much appreciated.

[@mikaellilliestrom]

The beginning is the end of the song and the end is the bigining!

[@jeffreygreer]

never ever resist a cleansing floorgasm from the 6'1 dutch valkyrie queen, part 5 requires a box of tissue for sure, thats how she cleanses her soldiers

[@frenkwd1]

Hello The song "The Poet and the Pendulum" is a 13 Minute journey through the mind and turmoil of Tuomas Holopainen after the year 2005. It was in that year the band parted with their long-time singer Tarja Turunen and had a personal falling out with her. The pain of the separation was big on both sides, and shown in this song. There is guilt for what happened, there is the responsibility that the band and Holopainen had to show towards the fans,. It was the End of an Era for them, and reason for Holopainen being lost as described in these lyrics. We can only of course to a certain degree suppose how much of these are truly Holopainen's feelings, wishes and pains - but we do know that the lyrics of Nightwish have been up to then very personal. Other songs on the album also digest this separation and falling out of the members with Turunen. However personal and "real" these thoughts are, I feel like this song definitely takes us not only on a journey with Holopainen but also into ourselves. The music underlines the emotional gravity of the song extremely well. And I believe a lot of people can actually relate to a sense of guilt and being overwhelmed that all they desired for is the safety of home and innocence. While being personal, the song can still ring true to it's listener. That's a quality Nighwish possesses in many, many more songs. The emotional journey is one we can all share and very few bands know how to put that journey into song and especially into sound as well as Nightwish does. The band remains through all it's shores and Oceans, one of my main favourites and I hold special place for the band in my musical heart. I hope you have enjoyed reading my analysis and share some of my thoughts. If you do have any comments, please feel free to let me know. And remember the beauty of interpretation is that it is subjective; we can see all and feel different things in the same song and continue to love it endlessly. Lyric analysis by Annika Hausen Greetings from the Netherlands

[@kimfabritiusdetengnagel2038]

This is REAL music. A personal story, performed so everyone can relate and feel it. That's Nightwish with Floor in front Greetings from Nightwish Army Denmark 🇩🇰

[@liavanwissen1963]

As you are now so deep in the Nightwish rabbit hole, you should start exploring the amazing rabbit hole of Ayreon. Music like you never have heard before with the best singers in the world. For a good introduction start with The day the world breaks down ( with video and text)

[@chueysmama2622]

BP1! You just made me fall out the chair with that score! Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Chuey's Mama Great to know BP1 made your day, he does have his moments. We try try him with some more metal soon as he seems to be in a good mood.

[@lisafoster4468]

It's a lot to take in the first time. XD watch it again after you really understand it.

[@vogel2280]

I feel the parts are stages in the mind of a person with suicidal thoughts: I *White Lands Of Empathica* : Traumatic loss of innocence/security II *Home* : Raging thoughts of self hatred and a feeling of being uprooted (longing for home even if you are already home) I II *The Pacific* : Acceptance of the fact death is the only right answer to your problems, romanticising how peaceful it will be if it just all stops. IV *Dark Passion Play* : raging thoughts about actually committing suicide and how it will settle the scores and what will happen after your death V *Mother and Father* : getting help , being granted forgiveness and not committing suicide.

[@tod1045]

Nightwish- first US tour date 5-7-2022 Lowell, MA tickets on sale now!

[@christinaalgate4899]

The guys were checking in on Tuomas because it's still emotional for him. Tarja and Tuomas had been friends since high school. His Mom taught Tarja piano.

[@Earman54music]

One of the lyrics say, "I only have 3 minutes and counting". Exactly 3 minutes later Tuomas mimes slitting his throat. Really next level song writing!

[@tarjatuhkanen7094]

No romance there but they knew each other from the beginning of school.. so knew each other for a long, long time. She was with them when they grew into this magical band, so many emotions and feelings there for sure.. and then she met Marcello and it all went downhill for the band as a group but she's stick with him so they made the right choice for everyone and for the band. She never meant to stay that long with the band, cos she wanted a career as an opera singer. I hope she will some day get roles in opera.

[@jaskau2462]

🤩👍💥💯🎼 "The end.............. The beginning" And Helluwa Lot in between, lyrically. Nice rating on the score board, which this track and especially this particular performance deserves. 🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙

[@lordlockdown64]

Wow that was brilliant, amazing show, very cinematic. I am new(ish) to this band but they are very good. Cheers it was a banger for me!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Lord Lockdowns Jukebox They sure know how to pun on a show and to keep BP1 from his snack has to epic. Good score too.

[@R---66---R]

Nice!

[@Donna-C]

13:16 “I’m afraid, I’m so afraid of being raped again and again” 13:30 “live long enough to see your friend betray you” 15:41 “Spitting on his grave as they came!” 16:37“....& 1000 pages of erased text”. “Save Me” ** (**which is NOT sung but is written on the lyric video). ALL of these lyrics show the depths of despair that Tuomas was feeling. 21:42 “Try to save them all, bleed no more” (** This is recorded a decade afterwards and Tuomas is singing & feeling that 😞)

[@pietheindejonge321]

Shows in Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapoure and Indonesia are added to Human Nature world tour!

[@danellwein8679]

no research needed ... just listen ... and enjoy ... ! you guys did good .. thank you for this .. really made my day .... there are some songs out there that just simply don't need a score .. this is life .. we don't live for a score ..

[@BritPopsReact]

@Dan Ellwein Cheers Dan and thanks for watching and the comment. Ah, yes the score, well it would be a BPR reaction if we didn't score it, just for fun and all that. Cheers

[@sixtuspettersson6059]

Floorgasm,,, Markogasm,,,, and now Tuomasgasm !

[@pitwihalakran88]

It's an amazing track. 🎸🎸 Great song. 👍👍 From Basque Country with ❤️.

[@dolla3975]

This one is deep... the song is written in "in medias res" hence starts with "the end" and ends with "the beginning". And haven't you guys heard of Edgar Allan Poes "Pit and the Pendulum"? Check this things up and it give the song some more meaning. And btw. Dark passion play can be refered to trial, suffering and death of Jesus, hence the second robber to the right of Christ.

[@artohumppi1855]

2nd right from Christ is also Judas on last supper

[@MoMoMyPup10]

Very good interpretation of the basics of the whole story. Dug in just enough to grasp what was needed, and it was a good watch. Thanks gents!

[@BritPopsReact]

@MoMoMyPup10 Hello and thank you for the kind comment. We have the other "Big" one coming out later today. Thanks for checking out the channel

[@elainehoward8822]

Hi guys, I missed this afternoon/evening upload, and it would have to be an epic Nightwish upload. This is absolutely amazing, The lyrics are a bit depressive, but Floor’s voice sings it so well. We’re on to pt 2, my gosh her voice is remarkable pt3 this is so theatrical, it could be a full rock opera. Pt4 The difference between the separate voices, is vast, but together, sound so sweet. I am one of those people who had never heard of Nightwish, but I am a big fan of their music now. Pt5 AMAZING. Thanks for an Outstanding upload 👍🏻👏👍🏻👏👍🏻👏👍🏻👏👍🏻👏

[@gillandianyt3920]

Welcome to the Nightwish Army :) There is a lot for you to discover and enjoy!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Elaine Howard Hi Elaine, sorry we did try and let you know that we have moved some of the release times around. Glad that you enjoyed and are really on your Nightwish journey.

[@kevinbridges4361]

Nightwish are a very happy and honest band. Unlike other rock/metal bands they smile, not snarl. And if they are not on the stage, they are not playing. That's why they are always walking on and off, so as not to give the impression it is them playing when it is the backing track. Floor was not on stage at the beginning, therefore it was not Floor who was singing.

[@larryd4352]

From what I have read, the relationship between Tarja and Tuomas was a friendship. Emppu is also friends with them both for many years. I also have read that Tuomas wrote the song to commit suicide in a song, rather than do it in real life. ( Been there myself...and got help. ) I will say, your reaction to this song was excellent!! Plus, you have a new subscriber!

[@Donna-C]

When you see the emotion at the End of an Era Show (Tarja’s last performance - but she did not know that - then they gave her the letter). Watch Phantom of the Opera and Jukka (drummer has his head in his hands), Everdream and Tuomas covers his fave with his hands and takes a moment knowing it’s the last time Tarja will be singing with Nightwish. They all felt this deeply.

[@BritPopsReact]

@Larry D Thank you for the kind comment Larry and we appreciate the support too. Cheers

[@danielosheigh4793]

You two are so relatable because you aren't so worried about being polished and perfect. Never change, you're great just the way you are. And it's ok BP1, most young folks have the attention span of a garden gnome, you're not alone ;-). I kid mate, lengthy musical diatribes aren't for everyone. Yeah so I'm not going to repeat everything that the army has already posted, in regards to the history of this particular piece, aside from saying that it is probably one of the most pivotal pieces of the bands history. "That which doesn't kill us, makes us stronger", but man did it almost kill them. Floor actually talked to Tarja before agreeing to sing this live. They're not "besties", but they are on friendly terms so she wanted to make sure that she knew it wasn't a personal thing from her perspective, she just wanted to do the part justice. They talked it over, and by this time Tuomos and Tarja had begun speaking again as well so that made it a bit easier. (Not at the time the song was written, but by the time Floor was going to sing it I mean). The band takes turns to stand with Tuomas to make sure they know that they are all with him, it was a band decision after all, it wasn't Tuomos alone who fired her, the whole band agreed and signed the letter to her. Floor pours her soul into this song like we rarely see her do, since it means so much to Tuomas. Time can make things hurt less, but this wound will linger for who knows how long. You know me, love to see any NW on the channel, but this...this is absolutely my favorite NW song. Brings me to tears every time. Thanks for taking it on. Daniel

[@BritPopsReact]

@Daniel O'Sheigh That was a funny comment, made me laugh. To be fair to BP1 his attention span in this was epic and he didn't moan once. To be fair it seemed to go by in a flash and that seemed to be the fastest 20 minutes ever. Also, after he has done this song, there is nothing he can moan about being too long again. Thank for the nice feedback too. All the best

[@Pappa_66]

Thank you guys! "Emotional" is like an understatement. Thank God he decided to kill him self only in the song. Sometimes Tuomas asks to turn his ear monitor off. This is "based" on a "book" by Edgar Allan Poe. There is a version with even darker lyrics written by Marko. You have to remember that all three "founding" members, Tuomas the founder, Emppu and Tarja were/are childhood friends from a remote Finnish village (population like 10 people) so it is hard to break up. If you want something totally different about the same subject: "Bye Bye Beautiful". Marko is raging like never before.

[@brewswillis9783]

Well done lads, you two have come a long way! Can you imagine this song being one of your first Nightwish reactions? (may not have gone well, 😉) Since it was actually written for Anette to sing, Floor was able to take it into the stratosphere! This is one of my favorites of yours to this point. Cheers!

[@Donna-C]

Floor’s empathy makes this song extra special. When she sat down to sing she went to look at Tuomas and nearly lost control of her own emotions as she is highly sensitive and knows this is still painful for Tuomas.

[@BritPopsReact]

@Brew Swillis Cheers for the comment, we really appreciate it. We have both come a long way in our Nightwish knowledge and appreciation. No way would BP1 have managed all that in one sitting on one of our first reactions. He didn't even eat one snack during that.

[@rebeccalee2644]

I think you both did beautifully dissecting the meaning of the of the song.

[@BritPopsReact]

@Rebecca Lee Thank you, we appreciate the kind comment.

[@petemack5994]

awesome reaction. This piece has a very special place in my life. I know the back story but this piece is also an anthem for those people with mental health issues such as depression with suicidal thoughts, Yep I am one of those! Also in the Pit and the Pendulum Poe talks about the point at which you both give up hope and accept the end, which you really get the sense of in this. If I may I would like to give you my interpretation of the lyrics and what they mean to me. The first part, which you note starts with the words the end!! Is taken from Stephen Kings Tower series, the white lands were the home of a type of vampire that fed on emotions, (empathy), so a person left feeling nothing, empty and without emotion. In the second part, those lines expressing a feeling of futility, all same old same old yet, hating how you feel, then the verse seems to express the effort of trying to pretend to be ok, hence those two faces, one for everyone else and the real one that is private, no one to turn to for help as the people around you seem as upset as you so no shoulder to cry on so you just carry on pretending becoming that whore for the cold world. Then there is the remembering back to when all was good, yet you cannot get there despite everyone telling you “you are ok, it will be fine” till those words just sink you even further into the mess. Then we have the Pacific, oh wow, the wishing and planning stage, the beautiful sea, just wishing it was over, that you could be under the waves, beneath the pain tucked into that beauty., last goodnight kiss and a valentine that ends everything. Then that part that starts with being afraid, being raped, not in the traditional sense but feeling violated, alone and bloody scared, For Tuomas, feeling that those who he felt should have been there for him somehow betrayed him, a not uncommon feeling with severe depression, feeling that even life betrayed you, also again the mention of the tide and drowning, many see it as the perfect death! On a side note here, three minutes and counting, yep exactly three minutes to the point that Tuomas simulates the blade. Here also note how the music becomes chaotic, mirroring the thought process of someone planning their own death, no logic, well there is but only to the individual. Yet also a sense of excitement and of a journey, proceeding the calm. Then the passion play, traditionally passion plays were performed at Easter and were about the death of Christ, and Tuomas plays with us a little here, “second robber to the right of Christ! Well at the crucifixion there was only one robber either side of Christ but in the painting The Last Supper the person second to the right of Christ is Judas!!!!! Then of course the symbolic death and the slowing faltering heartbeat. The beginning or last part of the piece are the words that brought Tuomas back from the edge. In his case words from his parents but many of us will have people who were there at just the right time and who cared enough to be the rock and love us enough to hold on. If there is a message in this work surely it is to be kind, to look out for each other and if you can be there, you never know you may just save a person’s life. As someone did mine.

[@jenell56]

What an exceptional breakdown Pete Mack, thankyou! I am so glad you made your way through to be here and write this! Having been on the journey myself...right to the very edge...I appreciate your insight into this epic Masterpiece. Stay Well Friend

[@BritPopsReact]

@Pete Mack Thank you Pete for posting the breakdown. That really does make it very clear for us. All the best.

[@petemack5994]

@@jenell56 thank you, may not still be all plain sailing but am surely getting there, once again thank you

[@obud3777]

Now you have to do "Master Passion Greed" and "Bye Bye Beautiful" , the other songs related to the firing of Tarja.

[@Donna-C]

Definitely!

[@hajovelt3083]

In the beginning a young boy was singing the intro!

[@AndyMagnusson70]

ohhhhis will wach now. This will be nice. Such an amazing song

[@pdutchie4924]

The stand around the keyboards is Groot, Tuomas is a big Disney fan.

[@randymarple9830]

Emppu goes to Tuomas to see how he is(this is a personal and hard song for him emotionally). Seconds later you see Emppu saying thank you to someone in the audience who thanked him for checking on Tuomas. Notice that the audience is only shown briefly at the beginning of this masterpiece...and then not at all. 13:55, but you stopped it at 13:53. The way Floor says "Thank you" always makes me cry.......and you MISSED it.

[@konstantinosarvanitidis3324]

Yes Randy, me too my friend! The Mother and Father part and this Thank you from Floor at the end, I can't see that without tears in my eyes!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Randy Marple Ah, sorry Randy, bad timing on our part but we have to stop somewhere, sorry we missed the part. Thanks for watching,

[@Piia2023]

The primeminister did endeed comment publicly that Tarja should not leave the band, that idiot should have kept his mouth shot...he just gave the press more oil on the fire and it all turned out so discusting. Tarja and Tuomas was friends from childhood and that was most difficult for him, he lost a very good friend, more than that we don't know and we don't need to know. The heavy burden on the band was her husband who almost destroyed Nightwish, so to get rid of him they had to get rid of her. But, great job guys, for the Greatest Show On Earth get som popcorn and a beer and enjoy the show. :)

[@BritPopsReact]

@Piia Lindqvist Cheers and thanks for the nice comment. We are building up the snack cupboard but we didn't even take a sip of tea during this one. Thanks for watching and back soon.

[@BigzampanoXXL]

The whole Band is great, but special credits to TUOMAS!!!

[@vogel2280]

Tuomas had Floor's voice removed from his in-ear-monitor to prevent him from breaking down during the song. You can see Emppu and Marko check up on Tuomas during the song. Tuomas looks like he's about to barf...

[@HuimanenJ]

Nice to see when humans use brains!

[@clivematthews5296]

The first part is a chorister as Tuomas wanted it to stay the same as with Annette. However Floor sings all the rest that Annette couldn't sing and with empathy.

[@Sparkle648]

Would love to see you react to Poets of the Fall - Carnival of Rust (their most well known song and the music video got voted as the best Finnish music video ever back in 2006 when the song was released). Truly an underrated band from here in Finland. Also a band with many different sounds all the way from slow melodic songs to full on rock. Although if you want to immediately hear a song that showcases how crazy good the lead singer Marko Saaresto's voice can be (and while his vocal range might not be the most dynamic out there he is an amazing example of what you can achieve by having absolutely perfect control of your vocals especially the raw emotion that his voice is able to convey) then i recommend listening to their song Daze. His vocals on the chorus are something out of this world. I just think that so many more people would love their music if they just ever heard them but since their from Finland it rarely happens. Although many have heard their songs in Remedy's video games Max Payne 2, Alan Wake, Quantum Brake and Control (Also every single reactor i have seen reacting to them has been pretty much blown away by their music so i'm very confident you'll like it) also... also... lot's of deep and meaningful lyrics and wordplay in their songs sorry for the long rant i just really want more people to know about them :D

[@robertsheeler321]

Congrats good job . Tuomas commit's suicide by lyrics on stage . representing the death of Nightwish as it was . The 1st two words of the song are THE END, and the last two words are THE BEGINNING representing the next chapter of the band. the last chapter (mother & father) are words from his parents during his depression .

[@gillandianyt3920]

Being Brits you would know the TV series: "Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy" with Sir Alec Guinness, the boy soprano at the beginning was very similar in feel, "Innocence". Marko! The swinging blade! To be able to write out your anger, guilt, hate, all sorts of emotions, for the public, ooh! "Mother and Father" their words sung by Floor, with Marko and Emppu sitting around Kai, then Floor stands up. "Bleed no more" as she looks over to Tuomas. "In the end I will always love you", Marko moves over to Tuomas, and joins Emppu, supporting him. Floor and Tuomas are Highly Sensitive, almost Empaths, (as are the rest of the band too, I expect), she can help to heal his pain. You both managed without snacks!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Gillandian YT Wow, that is really going back with the "TTSS" comment, I will check it out to remind myself of it. We were fully caught up and no snacks were harmed in the making of this reaction! Thanks for the comment.

[@lisagubbins6772]

Just wanted to say that this song is inspired from edgar allan poe 's poem the pit and the pendulum. Tuomas is exceedingly clever how he morphs the poem to fit his own tragedy ........ awesome n i think ur reaction was very good 😊 🖤🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@BritPopsReact]

@Lisa Gubbins Thank you very much for your kind comment, we appreciate it. Cheers 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@jeffreygreer]

Nightwish is like ronnie james dio, its best to not dissect the lyrics, just enjoy the amazing vocals and musicianship of the band, part 1 was a recorded track of a choir boy, symbolizing tueoma's youth, part 3 is a chello, part 5 a obo, the vocals are the 6'1 dutch valkyrie queen and paret 4 was of course marko the magnificent this is a fn masterpiece, tueomas and tarja went to kindergarten thru high school, they loved each other as close friends

[@jacquisampson-marat5277]

I am Groot

[@BritPopsReact]

@Jacqui Sampson-Marat Aha, we get the reference now from the other comments. Cheers

[@casualcarolinafishing5835]

Yep, your initial impression was correct. It's a boy soprano at the beginning.

[@artoeloranta2810]

👏 👏 👏 👏

[@sixtuspettersson6059]

"3 minutes and Counting"...SWICCCCCSH.! And you make Floor short and fat(Vide) whit your choice of "Screen" again !! hehe. And yes TAMPERE to the END, TGSOE ! Please.

[@APMM58]

Please read the lyrics and the explanation of the lyrics and then listen again. You will be much more impressed. The emotion Floor puts in her voice can not be done by any other singer. Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@donepearce]

Well, now you know a little of the end of Tarja. This is a complex song cycle and needs many listens to really get it. Others here have given you plenty of info so I won't repeat it.

[@Jarzze61]

🤘🇫🇮👍

[@geertdelange4785]

NIGHTWISH AND MEGADETH?? 🔥 MARCO SINGING HEAVY SOLO? 🤘🏻 My suggestion is another cover of them, which we HARDLY see on KZbin.🇳🇱 And if you like a HEAVY Nightwish sound, this will be a very nice one! 🔥🤘🏻😎 Marco is singing solo on this one. Check out their cover of Megadeth, symphony of destruction. AND A HEAVY SIREN FLOOR & MARCO? The second also hardly on KZbin, is a heavy Siren, The Siren performed live of course by Floor Jansen, and also again a very good singing Marco🔥❤️🤘🏻 Enjoy it, and I with you!

[@BritPopsReact]

@Geert De Lange Thank you for the comment and the suggestion. We will add it to the list. Cheers

[@572Btriode]

Hey chaps, I don't think Emppu is having fun with Tuomas, more like he's seeing if Tuomas is coping and holding it all together. It is written backwards, although each section itself goes forwards of course. The White Lands of Empathica is an arctic tundra located in End-World from Stephen King and you probably also need to be familiar with Edgar Allen Poe's The Pit and the Pendulum. Did you count the three minutes of counting ? Broadly, Marko part is illustrating the backlash against Tuomas to my mind. The final part, "Mother & Father" - the beginning, is almost verbatim of what Tuomas parents said to him when he confided in them. Oh, the front of his keyboard is Groot, you can Google that.

[@vogel2280]

I feel it is not written backwards at all. It starts with the end (of an era/his innocence) and it ends with the beginning (of a new era/a fresh start/)

[@572Btriode]

@@vogel2280 We know Tuomas never explains lyrics, even to the band and Floor, however, we do know that Tuomas uses several pseudonyms for himself, writer/song writer, dreamer and especially poet and boy, he describes himself as an ocean soul. The first line says the song writer's dead. It just makes more sense to me personally looking at the sequences in reverse order from when he confided to his parents that the vilification from the fans and media was too much to cope with, together with the loss of his world, Nightwish, and he seriously considered taking his life, his parents try to convince him otherwise. There is the whispered "beginning" also at the actual end. But it is everyone's individual choice to make their own conclusions, which should be respected.

[@vogel2280]

@@572BtriodeAgreed!: _"The song means, what the song means to you"_ are the words Tuomas has said more than once in interviews. However we are never to old to learn from each other. And we can only learn from each other when we speak our minds. It is my point of view the sequence trough the parts of the song is: 1: trauma,, 2. self hatred, 3. embracing death, 4. imagining being dead, 5 forgiving. In that way it makes sense to me.

[@NickBR57]

This is my No 1. Song of Myself is No 2 Currently No 3 is 7 Days to the Wolves from Wembley My opinion (which gets me into trouble) - a relationship with Tarja, not confirmed. Why? Because its an invention originally propagated by thoseTarja fans who gave Tuomas so much hate and then getting a life of its own.

[@mandje2002]

Try Ayreon - The Day That The World Breaks Down - The Source (2017) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXfYfn6ap9-Dp7c And Ayreon - Valley of the Queens kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipPIk4Jrd7-cY6s Or Star One - Fate of Man (Brittney Slayes, Michael Romeo) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ-agWali7Khr9U

[@wanmac31]

😊🇫🇮❤️🤘🎶🎹🎸🥁✨👍👍

[@WoWsadistic]

you did not catch the 3 min part did you ;)

[@BritPopsReact]

@Dizzy Nope, we are not that smart. We have read in the comments what happened at the 3 minute mark, it would have taken quite a few views to watch that and comment on it without any prior knowledge.. That's our excuse at least. Thanks for watching

[@hardtackbeans9790]

😀

[@stillracer2514]

Floor could have done the beginning but alas she did not do it was a track of a child singer. Suicide by song helped the healing somewhat.

[@amygoodson-catlady]

The soprano vocal at rhe start, and spoken word parts are sung by a young boy, Guy Elliott. This song was only performed live a dozen or so times...Tuomas has the vocal feed to his in-ears turned off for this song...too emotionally painful. Sorry guys, no unrequited love story...he and Tarja had been good friends (not lovers) since childhood. Good reaction...thank you for being serious about a very deep and heavy song. I love singing this, it's beautiful!

[@philipwright2883]

Need to go back five or 10 seconds when you pause. You missed an important part

[@alleninfinity6730]

The Poet and the Pendulum was written after firing Tarja the original singer. She was the face of Nightwish at the time, and Tuomas considered her a muse to many of the songs he had written at that point. They had also grown up in the same city and knew each other since early childhood. All the band members decided together to fire her for acting too much of a diva. According to all the band members, Tarja was missing lots of rehearsals and would not even travel with the band anymore. Tuomas was painted as the devil by many fans, and went through a deep dark depression. He even considered ending the band and committing suicide. He wrote The Poet and the Pendulum at that time, and actually kills himself in the song. He said he killed himself in the song, as to not do it in real life. To this day every time he plays it, it takes him back to those feelings, and shows on his face. In the last part, Mother and Father, words are sung to him that his real mother said to him at that time of his deep depression. One part that touches me at the end when the guitarist Emppu and bassist Marko, the only other two involved with firing Tarja (that were still active with the band)were standing with Tuomas at the end in solidarity and love. The Open Letter to Tarja is the letter the band gave to Tarja dismissing her signed off on by all band members. nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Tarja_Turunen

[@Rafael-qi9bt]

About the episode of Tarja's resignation, you won't understand the negative reaction that fans and media had against the band in the past if you only see the resignation letter that the group wrote. There are other important sources. I'm going to summarize the story for you to understand why people's reaction was so negative. The relationship between Tarja and the band had been bad for some time, so at the end of 2004 she decided to tell the band that she would leave. The idea was to record one last album and go on a farewell tour. She wanted to announce her decision to the public and prepare fans for the vocalist change, however, Tuomas convinced her not to do so at the time. It turns out that, after that meeting, the band planned a public firing on the sly. They delivered the letter you mentioned to Tarja at the end of the "End of an era" show and posted it on the band's website the next day. It was a scandal. In response, Tarja wrote a letter and held a press conference to respond better to the group's accusations ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4Wnd5ykfL9repo ). Her husband also spoke. He answered more than 150 questions from fans around the world and posted the answers on the internet ( www.tuomasholopainen.fora.pl/wywiady-artykuly,29/odpowiedzi-marcelo-na-pytania-fanow-czerwiec-2006,455.html ). Given the reports that were brought and other available records, including videos and documentaries, a large part of the fan base revolted against the band. Faced with criticism from different sides, Tuomas fell into a depression and wrote "The poet and the pendulum" as a way of dealing with the situation. Some say that Tuomas suffered from unrequited love for Tarja. This feeling would have been the fuel for the composition of some songs. The question of Tuomas' love for Tarja is actually an old theory of fans. This theory was built even before Tarja's dismissal, and is based on old interviews (see this one, for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naWTmZR3nqyVftE) and on the lyrics that Tuomas used to write. The idea of ​​the existence of unrequited love was strengthened when Marcelo himself (Tarja's husband) spoke about the subject in the responses he gave to fans. See these answers: "36) Many people say that everything this happened because he Tuomas felt something for the Tarja and this feeling was not corresponded. It was the impression that passed. This can be answered? Or not? Heluza Mercaus Viegas Brazil I promised that everything was going to be answered. To cut a long story short, in October 2004 I needed to ask Tuomas to come to talk to Tarja and me in our hotel room in the middle of the tour. Even though he knows Tarja many years before me, he never could achieve his goal. In this meeting I clearly told him that his chances to be with Tarja were gone. I needed to tell him that there was no reason to keep on trying any longer, since I married her. As usual he didn't speak much, but he said to me that nobody was going to be able to stop his love for Tarja. After this unhappy meeting, everything changed. The guy that until then said in interviews that, without Tarja, that would be the end of Nightwish, changed his message into: Nightwish is my band, my music, my lyrics, the scenery of my soul. Is up to you to check all interviews from the band before and after end of 2004 until today. Tarja never changed her thoughts about her position in the band. She has never mentioned that Nightwish was her band or that she was more important than the other band members. Nightwish lyrics are Tuomas' life diary, as it has been said. With this new information that I am sharing with you, please check once again some of them. We all can find amazing songs with beautiful lyrics full of poetry. Their meaning won't remain that uncertain any longer. 37) Was Tarja in any romance/love way with Tuomas (he seems jelouice to me). Mariela Todoroviè Slovenia Tarja never had any romance nor was ever in love with him. I have received many questions accusing Tuomas of being jealous, envious, bitter and of being in love. I have no interest in making any judgement about those things and people's feelings. Other people than Tuomas also told me how much they love Tarja. There are many different levels of love and I have no problems with any of them as long as reasonable limits are not exceeded. Is funny if you carefully check the cover of End of an Era (that Tarja didn't propose, but accepted). You will find what seems to be an angel (Tarja's nickname in the official forum of her web page) and a demon or god. Only these two characters dominate the scene. I couldn't find any other characters in the cover at all. They are standing facing away from each other. Between them there is turmoil and a strong light, whether striking into or coming out of a cracked heart. It is definitely not Tarja's heart. Her heart is very healthy and full of love, because she has always listened to it (instead of me); as Tuomas advised her to do in the open letter. The title of the scene is "Nightwish - End of an Era". You can make your own conclusions. I am merely describing a DVD cover 157) What were, in your opinion, the real motives for Tarja Turunen to be out of Nightwish? ¿Cuáles fueron, en tu opinión, los verdaderos motivos de la salida de Tarja Turunen de Nightwish? Marta Perez Spain I think we will never know the real motives. Motives rest in Tuomas, some close people and band members' hearts. Seems there has been at least very strong motives to kick out Tarja, specially the way they did it. Some of them might be the mentioned cultural differences that band members have in their minds and hearts with me, the non corresponded love from Tuomas to Tarja, Tarja's values that didn't match Tuomas and Tarja's maturity that didn't match Tuomas and the others, not compatible life styles between band members, different concept of friendship and responsibilities that comes with it, different approach to record business, the obvious problem to communicate within the band; just to name a few." The depression itself and the song "The poet and the pendulum" can, in theory, be read as a reflection of this love drama. Regardless of whether this theory about Tuomas is true or not, the fact is that bringing internal issues to the public was the worst choice. A lot of the band's past has been brought up and no one has come out unscathed. Because of the scandal, Tarja lost some fans and contracts for her solo career. On the other hand, the band also lost fans and had little-known events brought to a wider audience. For example, Tarja suffered an attempted sexual abuse in the middle of a concert in Guadalajara in 2000. At the time, the band continued playing as if nothing had happened, even after Tarja left the stage along with the criminal and the security guards. There are videos of the episode here on KZbin ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZPNZZtnbZVqobs ). Later, after Tarja left, the band itself mentioned the event in its official biography ( fromwishestoeternity.tumblr.com/post/111177476493/alfaangel-i-just-put-together-some-facts-about/amp ). The way the band decided to fire Tarja and the facts of the past that were brought to public knowledge infuriated many fans.

[@alleninfinity6730]

@@Rafael-qi9bt Tarja, had one foot in and one foot out the door, and she and her upcoming solo career. She according to all the other band members was acting the diva, and the band she was treating as the yoke around her neck, holding her back. She did not speak to the band members for more than a year, what else must be said, and refused to travel with them. There are two sides, you can believe her and her husband/manager, or all the other band members. I believe all the other band members.

[@Rafael-qi9bt]

@@alleninfinity6730 I don't believe in a group that plans a public letter of resignation on the sly, lying for months to the vocalist. I also don't believe in the band's version because there are other sources that show other elements. Everyone in the band had side projects and that was Tarja's initial idea, as she herself had said in numerous interviews in the past. When Tarja decided to focus on her solo career, she warned the group and said that she would leave the band. There would be the recording of one last album and a farewell tour. Only then would she focus on her solo career. On the thesis that she acted like a "diva", this is just the band's version. This version is at odds with what Tarja has always shown to be, both in interviews and in documentaries that the band recorded. As for travel, Tarja decided not to travel by bus with the group through Europe, however, she traveled with Nightwish by plane. The band used to party on the road when traveling by bus. This binge drinking behavior can be seen in the documentary "End of Innocence". For me, the letter the band wrote says more about the band itself than about Tarja. The group wanted to tarnish her image. A simple dismissal could occur internally. It could even be with the same letter through an email. However, they preferred to secretly plan a way to try to tarnish Tarja's public image. That says a lot about the character of the group. It turns out that there are many sources, which is why the media and a large part of the original fans revolted against Nightwish.

[@alleninfinity6730]

@@Rafael-qi9bt Agree to disagree, I don't think Tuomas, Emppu, Marko, and Jukka wanted to fire her. There had to be very good reasons.

[@Rafael-qi9bt]

@@alleninfinity6730 Sami, the original bassist, was also fired, but no drama was brought to the public. That's not to say that his dismissal wasn't difficult. Tuomas recently said that he thought about breaking up the band at two times, when Sami left and when Marko left. There is no reason for a public dismissal full of accusations, unless the purpose is to tarnish the image of the person fired. The way the band chose to fire Tarja says a lot about the group's personality. When Tarja decided to leave, she warned the group. However, when the band decided to fire her, they planned a public firing on the sly, lying for months.

[@Rafael-qi9bt]

The poet and the pendulum has to do with Tarja and the episode of her resignation. According to Tuomas, "The poet and the pendulum" was the way he found to deal with the depression after Tarja's departure. The band, and especially Tuomas, received a lot of hatred from all over the world. They lost a lot of fans. I'm going to summarize the story for you to understand why people's reaction was so negative. Tarja's resignation was a very dramatic episode. The relationship between her and the band had been bad for some time, so at the end of 2004 Tarja decided to tell the band that she would leave. The idea was to record one last album and go on a farewell tour. She wanted to announce her decision to the public and prepare fans for the vocalist change, however, Tuomas convinced her not to do so at the time. It turns out that, after that meeting, the band planned a public firing on the sly. The group wrote a letter of resignation full of attacks to Tarja and her husband. They delivered this letter to Tarja at the end of the "End of an era" show and posted it on the band's website the next day. It was a scandal. In response, Tarja wrote a letter but did not attack the band. She also held a press conference to respond better to the group's accusations. Her husband also spoke. He answered more than 140 questions from fans around the world and posted the answers on the internet. Given the reports that were brought and other available records, including videos and documentaries, a large part of the fan base revolted against the band. Faced with criticism from different sides, Tuomas fell into a depression and wrote "The poet and the pendulum" as a way of dealing with the situation. Some say that Tuomas suffered from unrequited love for Tarja. This feeling would have been the fuel for the composition of some songs.The question of Tuomas' love for Tarja is actually an old theory of fans. This theory was built even before Tarja's dismissal, and is based on old interviews (see this one, for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naWTmZR3nqyVftE) and on the lyrics that Tuomas wrote. The idea of ​​the existence of unrequited love was strengthened when Marcelo himself (Tarja's husband) spoke about the subject in the responses he gave to fans. The depression itself and the song "The poet and the pendulum" can, in theory, be read as a reflection of this love drama. Regardless of whether this theory about Tuomas is true or not, the fact is that bringing internal issues to the public was the worst choice. A lot of the band's past has been brought up and no one has come out unscathed. Because of the scandal, Tarja lost some fans and contracts for her solo career. On the other hand, the band also lost fans and had little-known events brought to a wider audience. For example, Tarja suffered an attempted sexual abuse in the middle of a concert in Guadalajara in 2000. At the time, the band continued playing as if nothing had happened, even after Tarja left the stage along with the criminal and the security guards. There are videos of the episode here on KZbin. Later, after Tarja left, the band itself mentioned the event in its official biography. The way the band decided to fire Tarja and the facts of the past that were brought to public knowledge infuriated many fans. To get a sense of how big the fan base was in the past, look at the number of views of the first videos with Anette ("Bye, bye, beautiful" and "Amaranth"). These numbers are representative of the fan base situation at the end of Tarja's period and beginning of Anette. The first album with Anette was the band's first album ever released with KZbin ever running. We were all curious to know who the new singer was and what she sounded like. Unfortunately Anette didn't please a large part of the original fan base, which also contributed to the band losing more fans. Anette and Floor helped to attract a different audience and reconfigure the fan base. Some old fans have returned with the entry of Floor. She is nothing new to us. For example, I've known her since her first band, After Forever. Here are some sources: Resignation letter written by the band: nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Tarja_Turunen Tarja's press conference after the dismissal, in full: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4Wnd5ykfL9repo Marcelo's detailed response to questions sended by Nightwish fans at the dismissal epoque: www.tuomasholopainen.fora.pl/wywiady-artykuly,29/odpowiedzi-marcelo-na-pytania-fanow-czerwiec-2006,455.html Letter written by Tarja: nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_from_Tarja_Turunen A snippet from the book "Once Upon a Nightwish" detailing the abuse incident - fromwishestoeternity.tumblr.com/post/111177476493/alfaangel-i-just-put-together-some-facts-about/amp The video of the abuse incident: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZPNZZtnbZVqobs

[@tarjatuhkanen7094]

Oh, all the gossiping and speculations.. lol!!

[@Rafael-qi9bt]

@@tarjatuhkanen7094 See these answers from Marcelo: "36) Many people say that everything this happened because he Tuomas felt something for the Tarja and this feeling was not corresponded. It was the impression that passed. This can be answered? Or not? Heluza Mercaus Viegas Brazil I promised that everything was going to be answered. To cut a long story short, in October 2004 I needed to ask Tuomas to come to talk to Tarja and me in our hotel room in the middle of the tour. Even though he knows Tarja many years before me, he never could achieve his goal. In this meeting I clearly told him that his chances to be with Tarja were gone. I needed to tell him that there was no reason to keep on trying any longer, since I married her. As usual he didn't speak much, but he said to me that nobody was going to be able to stop his love for Tarja. After this unhappy meeting, everything changed. The guy that until then said in interviews that, without Tarja, that would be the end of Nightwish, changed his message into: Nightwish is my band, my music, my lyrics, the scenery of my soul. Is up to you to check all interviews from the band before and after end of 2004 until today. Tarja never changed her thoughts about her position in the band. She has never mentioned that Nightwish was her band or that she was more important than the other band members. Nightwish lyrics are Tuomas' life diary, as it has been said. With this new information that I am sharing with you, please check once again some of them. We all can find amazing songs with beautiful lyrics full of poetry. Their meaning won't remain that uncertain any longer. 37) Was Tarja in any romance/love way with Tuomas (he seems jelouice to me). Mariela Todoroviè Slovenia Tarja never had any romance nor was ever in love with him. I have received many questions accusing Tuomas of being jealous, envious, bitter and of being in love. I have no interest in making any judgement about those things and people's feelings. Other people than Tuomas also told me how much they love Tarja. There are many different levels of love and I have no problems with any of them as long as reasonable limits are not exceeded. Is funny if you carefully check the cover of End of an Era (that Tarja didn't propose, but accepted). You will find what seems to be an angel (Tarja's nickname in the official forum of her web page) and a demon or god. Only these two characters dominate the scene. I couldn't find any other characters in the cover at all. They are standing facing away from each other. Between them there is turmoil and a strong light, whether striking into or coming out of a cracked heart. It is definitely not Tarja's heart. Her heart is very healthy and full of love, because she has always listened to it (instead of me); as Tuomas advised her to do in the open letter. The title of the scene is "Nightwish - End of an Era". You can make your own conclusions. I am merely describing a DVD cover 157) What were, in your opinion, the real motives for Tarja Turunen to be out of Nightwish? ¿Cuáles fueron, en tu opinión, los verdaderos motivos de la salida de Tarja Turunen de Nightwish? Marta Perez Spain I think we will never know the real motives. Motives rest in Tuomas, some close people and band members' hearts. Seems there has been at least very strong motives to kick out Tarja, specially the way they did it. Some of them might be the mentioned cultural differences that band members have in their minds and hearts with me, the non corresponded love from Tuomas to Tarja, Tarja's values that didn't match Tuomas and Tarja's maturity that didn't match Tuomas and the others, not compatible life styles between band members, different concept of friendship and responsibilities that comes with it, different approach to record business, the obvious problem to communicate within the band; just to name a few."

[@tarjatuhkanen7094]

@ Rafael Are you sure Cabuli told the truth and nothing but the truth? And If so what makes you so sure about it? All you people carrying on this story just crack me up.. Year after year, time after time.

[@Rafael-qi9bt]

@@tarjatuhkanen7094 To rule out Tuomas' unrequited love hypothesis would be to say that Marcelo lied, and we cannot say that. On the other hand, we cannot say that Marcelo spoke the truth either. Therefore, I place this matter in the field of theory.

[@BritPopsReact]

@Rafael Hello to you and thank you for all the information. Much appreciated and we check out the links posted also.

[@AlvenmodFoto]

Great reaction as always, but this is not even close to opera, high notes doesn't equal opera so please stop comparing with opera, you might aswell explain how you normally don't listen to Belgian folkmusic, it would be neither here or there...

[@MAAP2920]

Same with americans....too complicated, just dont understand

[@BritPopsReact]

Really?.... We are reactors!... We have had so much positivity so it's a shame to hear that.

[@cathyhahn6460]

Sixteen year old Anglina Jordan Easy on Me Won THe Voice NOrway when she was 6

[@stillracer2514]

I'm pretty sure they have done that and other Angelina songs!

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@Cathy Hahn Hello Cathy, we have already done that. Here is our Angelina playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PL6F6HEQXdMeXFl7qJv0W8uoZMsnCDxmA8

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@Still Racer Thank you for letting her know, I have provided our Angelina playlist. Cheers