Brodie Explains His and Paul’s Situation | Debate Night 53

Brodie and Hunter break down everything that happened before and during Ledgestone!
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[@nicholascarl9170]

Hey everybody, I know this situation has blown up and it’s been talked about for a while now and people are starting to learn more about it I just wanted to address one part of it. In the video they talk about “the mutual friend” that caused a lot of issues. I am not the person who did what happened. I regularly talk with Hunter when I’m in VA so we don’t have any issues. I don’t mind the fun drama of people saying Hunter and I have beef since we talk about it a lot but for something a little bit more serious I’d just like the clear the air.

[@discblaster9210]

You still have to play me at DeLa for $300 though. Matt accepted the challenge for you

[@MF-fg3lj]

I am reminded of a few good rules/agreements that everyone should make for themselves: (1) be impeccable with your speech-don’t lie about yourself or others because when you do so you create poison; (2) don’t take anything personally-whatever anybody else does is more about them than you, and when you take it personally, you expose yourself to being poisoned and/or manipulated, and worse, you ripen the conditions for lacking an ability to extend forgiveness, so you end up hurting yourself over a long duration, usually making it worse with your own actions, instead of putting an issue to rest; and (3) don’t make assumptions-assumptions expose us to negative energy and unjust opinions not based on fact, and this is due mostly to fear, so we can end up expending insane amounts of energy and create terrible destruction based on things that are only happening in our own minds, not to mention exposing ourselves to manipulation yet again. I have to be honest. This issue doesn’t involve me, but it seems like there is a substantially significant assumption that has been made, and that is fueling a major part of the problem. I understand Brodie being upset about moving to VA, but you have to appreciate that Paul is whom he is on tour, and you never know what he is going to feel and what he feels he needs to do-but I can definitely understand Brodie not being pleased. However, the issue with the two friends saying a third party (who isn’t Paul) did something that Paul is assumed to be lying about and/or having any real control over just leaves me with more questions than really anything (you don’t know for a fact that Paul has firsthand knowledge of anything or felt like he had control over anything, or even felt as if it were his responsibility). And frankly…..I am not at all interested in all this drama between Brodie and Paul (or the appearance of drama generated by one party). I don’t need to know any of this, neither does the average person, and it just contributes a negative message-sorry, but true. The best thing for Paul and Brodie to do is put everything behind them and try to be friends. Look, I’m sorry if this is insensitive, but unless Paul himself did the thing Brodie is talking about, unfriending him for life over it is not the right thing to do. We all at times could be better friends and we all wish we had certain things to do over. Holding a grudge based on assumptions based on what people say isn’t going to help in any way. And frankly, I get that some things were said in the video, but I don’t think this cleared the air or is the right way to clear the air.

[@discblaster9210]

@@MF-fg3lj jfc get a job dude.

[@MF-fg3lj]

@@discblaster9210 have a great one 😉….just a bit dismayed at what I see and hoped to offer a bit of wisdom.

[@Slapshotace99]

@@MF-fg3lj just calling it out... The 4 Agreements is a book every athlete should read. Thats where these rules/agreements are from

[@morganpyne9646]

Nick Carl asks Paul if he should grow a mullet -> Paul said no don't do it and forgot because it's just a mullet -> Nick Carl grows a mullet anyways because he likes to party -> Brodie HATES mullets and is now forced to look at it -> Brodie asks and Paul denied knowing about the mullet -> Nick Carl confirmed Paul knew and lied about the mullet -> Brodie tells Paul that mullet trauma is the final straw -> The mullet lies fester and friendships come to an end -> Brodie makes Ezra promise to never grow a mullet -> Ezra waffles and proceeds with growing out the mullet -> Brodie is living his worst mullet nightmare -> Brodie realizes if you can't beat em, join em -> Brodie grows the biggest TX mullet we've seen since '82 -> The bogey bros battle against the mullet men -> Bogey bros lose battle and have to grow mullets as a result -> Mullets are officially back and becoming competitive on tour -> The DGPT mullet awards are created -> Brodie wins mullet worlds 2025 -> Paul stands alone, with no mullet, flashing 7X world championships.

[@alitabattlechicken9732]

Bruh

[@ULTRAVISTA.]

How high are you

[@Luke-cp9cb]

I did immediately think it had do to with Nick Carl lol Would also make sense why the nick and Matt show stepped away from foundation too

[@Zach8murphy]

@@Luke-cp9cb this was my same thought but Nick seems like such a solid dude

[@COJOE31]

@@Luke-cp9cb I immediately thought Nick Carl as well.

[@alexbeckman6850]

Interesting to hear this side, thanks for sharing.

[@havediscwilltravel6180]

Brodie went way more in-depth than I thought he would. Hopefully it will help everyone move on now.

[@FaithfulMC]

No he didn't. Everything they said we already knew, but the most important detail that caused the beef is still unknown 21:00

[@Footfaultguy]

@@FaithfulMC if I was a betting man, the “friend” was Nick Carl

[@FaithfulMC]

@@Footfaultguy what would a betting man say he did? Hook up with Kelsey?

[@Luke-cp9cb]

@@FaithfulMC yep, that’d be a good guess, he says himself and his family come before everything and it was on a very personal level. The Nick and Matt show (podcast with Nick Carl) also stepped away from foundation about the same time.

[@dalereinhold640]

@@Footfaultguy The pinned comment from Nick says it was not him.

[@steezzyytronii]

I will say,, this s literally top 3 most interesting videos!! But I love all you guys, I just love to hear all of this. Appreciate all of you!!

[@Ultimateer]

Really cool to hear someone in the social media spotlight apologize and explain how they were wrong in an emotional situation. Haven’t always seen eye to eye with Brodie, but kudos here for sure. Also a good conversation about the suspension.

[@mattingly8322]

People who hate on Brody because he's a "frat boy" are just butt hurt that they never made varsity. He's a very honest and hard working guy who seems like a fun hang. He's one of the best things to happen to disc golf from a building a fan base stand point.

[@VonFredrick777]

Thank you for clarifying your position Brodie, makes much more sense now, I'm sorry that happened. Knowing what you were facing and you are still progressing in your life and in your game is...impressive. You showed yourself to have true character, best of good fortune for you moving forward.

[@mattbrown5921]

I didnt know Brodie uprooted his life for Foundation. I dont follow that closely with having 3 young kids. At first i thought it was wrong to block someone that got you into disc golf but if i moved across country and my close friend didnt even tell me he wanted to back out I would be done with him right there.. let alone lie to my face

[@Therealyoda34]

Listen im not defending anyone, BUT we have only heard his take, we haven't heard Paul's or the real story. We still don't know what happened, shit we still don't know what happened with Zach.

[@HouseOfMontague1]

@@Therealyoda34 except that Hunter corroborated the story that they didn’t know Paul was gonna leave to do his own thing. Now I can see Paul coming up with good reasons on why he decided to do that, but it’s still shitty to have not given a heads up to say hey I may end up doing my own thing. If anything I’d assume it just moved faster than expected and he wasn’t sure how to address it.

[@Therealyoda34]

@@HouseOfMontague1 wait so the other person who has a financial stake with Brodie is supporting he did nothing wrong and that is suppose to matter? Not taking any shots at Hunter but it benefits Hunter and Foundation abosultey zero to disagree with Brodie, in fact it would be incredibly negative if he did. It only makes sense if he supports brodie, they are in this together. I dont follow foundation anymore, I stopped when Zach disappeared and then Paul did, then the channel went a different direction, which is ok, not complaining about it, it's just not what I want to watch. Even Hunter brings up that Brodie changed the direction of the channel and its not what the planned or what Paul was trying to do, but they didn't see that Paul couldn't keep up? Brodie says nothing radically changed in those months leading up, buy from Him and Hunter it seemed the direction went from local to worldwide, Seems pretty radical of a change to me. That being said, since Brodie came to disc golf he has disappeared from news for a long time now, when was the last time he was relevant besides when he was around Paul? Now there is beef and it's all Paul was the problem? Seems convenient that the beef is mentioned a bunch of times pretty quickly after being dormant for so long and, wow, Brodie is in the news again! I'm not saying there isn't beef, I'm not saying Paul wasn't the problem, he very well may be. What I am saying is basing an opinion off of only 1 side is silly, for all you know Brodie could be lying out of his ass, he could also be telling the truth. Personally hearing his story a lot doesn't really add up properly, it fits but feels like a lot is missing. He speaks a lot without actually saying much. He talks about not wanting this drama out there but who made it? Who kept posting it? Who made it public? All him, he doesn't get points for not wanting the drama out there after he built the fire and lit it...

[@Svenshine]

@@Therealyoda34 Yes many times in my life experience you hear someone’s side of the story the way Brodie is doing here, you hear them out and it makes sense and you finally decide you agree with their side and support them. But then, you hear the second person’s extended deeper version of story & you then think oh I didn’t know that part then now your support the second persons story instead! People do a great job of making themselves sound valid when they get to tell you the story the way they want to and make you agree with them. But sometimes also what you realize is both sides are valid. It usually is just communication problems. I think this Hunter guy would go along with Brodie obviously in this video any way and it corroborates nothing. It seems in my opinion Paul was very busy, had too much other stuff happening and didn’t have the time to focus on what the plans and to communicate with Brodie and them on everything. On other hand, Brodie is a social media guy and he automatically thought the idea was to do more of online stuff, but Paul wanted local scene and the two never realized the two ideas would clash like that. I think both people are valid and it’s misunderstanding. Bet they will get over it in a couple years. I think men forget the emotions of the happening after awhile and just want to have fun again and move on pretty quickly. But women I would not say this lol probably would rarely have the ability to move on from it lol. I do wish I was straight but things like this is what makes me happy I am not lol I do not have to deal with that tbh.

[@newi4230]

@@Therealyoda34 He admitted to not handling the drama well and starting it. And now says he wants to avoid the drama to avoid another situation like this. If he apologized and admitted to starting the online beef, Id say that's a step in the right direction. I agree that we need both sides of the story though. But a lot of people disappear from social media for times and then come back. I'm not trying to be rude, you have some very valid points. I'm not a huge social media guy to be honest, so genuine question, has Paul said anything about it?

[@Nick-ov4yv]

Brodie you explained the beef very well and I appreciate your maturity man takes a big man to explain a situation like this and not disrespect or throw shade at the other party very grown up you earned a fan just by the way you carried yourself

[@jtsdeals]

Good to hear from Brodie on what happened with foundation / Paul and why he feels the way he does. Obviously a hard situation when business and friendship are involved especially when you make life changes related to the two

[@clawshooter5867]

Can we call the Silas and Konnor monthly match the O.B. boys ?

[@ronjones-6977]

You've heard of shock and awe, welcome to clank and yeet.

[@dannyhollis8575]

Trevor needs to caddy Konnor as team breakfast nook and have hunter caddy Silas as team chicken corndog

[@johnnycupofcoffee]

Just from the first few minutes..I respect the self awareness and knowing you are doing something that is not in line of you are trying to be as a person.

[@cameronbarber3768]

I really want to hear Paul's side of this now that it's all out. Really terrible the whole situation happened, I definitely appreciate you guys explaining the whole situation.

[@PWheat23]

Great debate night! I still support both Brodie and Paul. Hope this put some closure to that topic. Cant wait for Worlds! Its only 4 hours away from me, I'd love to go to it!

[@kingdavey90]

That's gonna be hype!

[@BenHutchison62191]

The fine shouldn't be a set number it should be a percentage of some sort. X percent of earnings from the last 5 tournaments of the same category where the player in question cashed

[@TheTopheradams]

Fact: Brodie and Paul are both positive advocates for the sport. Fact: In all aspects of life people disagree, it really is ok. Fact: it is none of my business about Brodie and Paul. I have STRONGLY disagreed with Hunter in previous videos, but it doesn’t prevent me from being entertained and informed by his content. Great content and good luck moving forward for everyone.

[@kingdavey90]

I Respect that, Collin. You've got a good head on your shoulders

[@alexbruschi6392]

This was the first episode of Debate Night I have watched and I really enjoyed this! Immediately subscribed. Thanks guys!

[@Dironik1]

dont worry brodie, very few of us really care about the thing between u and paul...we just enjoy ur content.

[@djlee4062]

Tru

[@DanTheDiscMan]

Always been a fan of Brodie and this channel/company. Much bigger fan now, thanks for addressing this

[@jaynorris3631]

Sorry you all were going through that. You are all awesome.

[@JesusChangesEverything]

Real men own their mistakes. Thanks for being a great example of this.

[@reggin2076]

yes, real men start drama on social media and when the shit starts heading in their direction then they apologize amazing example.

[@traviscovert]

The suspension shirt for the volunteer scenario should say "I'm just here so I don't get fined" haha

[@calebtennison9353]

Respect. Thank you for clearing the air.

[@elejmizzytheone]

I would’ve been more interested in hearing about what happened with zach tbh

[@davidgoater2181]

Now THAT would be interesting. I bet Zach isn’t a Brodie fan…

[@Ivypoison23]

This is the story we need

[@purv989]

Yes! The guy literally had to sign an NDA and couldn’t even make a disc golf related video for x amount of months after he was bought out.

[@davidgoater2181]

@@purv989 the Brodie clan who only know disc golf for 2 years don’t know about Biscardi or Brofive

[@nautilusshell940]

Maybe that was the mutual friend

[@CommonSenseCriticism]

Can we stop calling it a "first time offense"? He's been throwing temper tantrums for 20 years. If you speed to work every morning and get your first ticket today, is it your first offense? The dude's been an asshole for decades. This isn't new.

[@swordmeister93]

I mean technically it would be your first offense in the eyes of the law. Not defending Paul’s point of view, but I can understand where he’s coming from.

[@Flakzor123]

I kind of agree but I don't think that makes him an a-hole just "an emotionally challenged individual" but it's hard to fathom how he managed to avoid adressing that all these years. I don't understand how he managed to be so good while perching his emotional state on the edge of a blade all the time and I think the "nervous energy" emanating from him during even his good rounds can't possibly be good for him. Obviously he should have sorted his stuff over a decade ago but let's not forget about all the players, officials and TD's who flat out didn't enforce the rules all these years. I hope he comes back with some harmony and stability to his mental state and I think it will ultimately be good for him but it might be wierd at first to not have that bi-polarish rollercoaster during play and it just might be an addiction to that feeling.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

@@Flakzor123 no him robbing people who gave him a place to stay on tour and disappearing in the middle of the night is what makes nikko a piece of shit.

[@SphereStack]

No, but in the eye of the law it is your first offense and the punishment should also be accordingly.

[@crunchy_dg1191]

Let's not also forget he was apparently also being incredibly difficult after the round when the PDGA confronted him. It's not JUST what we saw on camera.

[@austin316nc]

Foundation you guys are the best . I’m a big fan and this was a great debate night . Brodie way to put it to bed . Go get that worlds dude .

[@discjunkiesDGT]

Good stuff fellas!!!

[@jeshxll]

This is honestly put really well. Thanks for sharing

[@punchingmonkies]

I like how everyone is thanking Brodie for clarifying the situation as if their own lives were hanging in the balance. These are just 2 dudes throwing plastic circles at the park.

[@marshie1337]

facts like wtf am i here

[@bidenistrash6574]

Huge facts

[@erictriplett33]

Keep slingin them circles...

[@tomwood1400]

It takes a big man to admit his mistakes and well …good word Brodie. Not easy to navigate the complex world of social media Drama but Big thanks for having an unhurried conversation and an open conversational apology. Very direct clarifying as much as you could and doing your best to keep it at that. Keep up the good work.

[@Tr-en-to-nn]

Brodie how you handled that was good you can’t expect to be perfect especially when things are building up but you coming out, saying something, and admitting mistakes is the best thing you can do. I’ll be praying that people grow up, and move on. God bless ya man and have a great tournament this week.

[@thebr0wnhornet]

Brodie had every right to be mad at Paul for the situation at the time, but it seems like foundation has grown and achieved its goals despite Paul leaving so guess it's time to let it all go. EXCEPT FOR THAT NEW MYSTERY BEEF WITH THE SECRET FRIEND AND PAUL LYING AND THE DOUBLE CORROBORATION WTF 🤯

[@tjtennisicmroll2k]

the mystery beef must be uncovered. Brodie starts with saying he cares about himself and his family above everything and a mutual friend of him and Paul did something wrong to hurt that. So someone hurt Brodie financially? or talked bad about him or his wife? Paul could have stopped it but did nothing.

[@joeyb.8613]

And I agree with what happened to Nikko. One of the things that draws me to disc golf is the overall good vibe and attitude you see among the competitors. I understand the stress and tension that comes along with any professional competition, especially as the sport and prize money continues to grow. But I don't think anyone wants to see bad attitudes or sportsmanship, players exploding after every bad toss, or slamming discs in the ground....... I enjoy the uniqueness disc golf has from other sports and would hate to see it go too far in a negative direction.

[@haydenbrown5210]

Nikko brings passion to the game that no one else does. Whether you like it or not that will grow the sport much more then subdued emotionless players like James and Calvin.

[@haydenbrown5210]

Great as each of them are of course…

[@kennethsimmons7394]

I absolutely agree with you man I was a college baseball player and I am a very competitive person and I love baseball more than anything in this world but the vibes of disc golfing for me is like so calming and it’s just so much fun and relaxing to me and all the people I’ve interacted with have been pretty much amazing except one guy he was just a clear asshole out of the hundreds I’ve met and I can say that is true for any other sport I’ve played

[@cheetoskid]

First time watching this podcast and I am a fan. Enjoyed Brodie's take on the sport but impressed with Hunter. Thanks for being humble and admitting your mistakes Brodie....I'm a bigger fan now and look forward to seeing you at World's in Emporia - first place I met you and got you to sign my Get Freaky disc and a photo. I live in Austin and was sad when you moved out of Texas but totally understand the business decision.

[@haigis04]

They moved back to DFW a month or so ago...so he's back!!!

[@Crew42DG]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring a person like Cam from the DGN onto the channel to discuss this! I understand it is frustrating that the front 9 coverage of that course was not live, but it is better to hear what the logistical problems are from the people who have to face them rather than hear speculation on what they should be doing in the opinion of a viewer. Our crew actually was out there this year helping film and actually filmed the highlight shots for the front 9 3 out of those 4 days. I think you would be surprised what the limitations are and to hear what they had to do to even get those highlights by the time you watch them live as a consumer for the back 9 holes.

[@zachymac1]

Crew 42 rocks.... love the local West Michigan coverage.

[@bradylinerud8556]

Dude Brodie was gargling Paul’s nuts from the get go. Paul realized that this thing wasn’t beneficial for him and left. I get the anger cuz it means foundation is gonna suffer but like you can’t be upset with Paul. He’s doing what’s best for him

[@seanjacquillard5372]

First of all thank you for putting some light on the issue and even more that you straight up said that some aspects were handled incorrectly!! Appreciate every disc golfer out there and for a pro to come out and literally say "I didn't handle that as I should" is absolutely commendable!! Like I said on the collector page that all things in life will have it's issues and you can either learn or burn!! The Nikko thing has opened up a situation that no one has even connected what many pros have said in the past!! Didn't a LOT of pros say "We need an official to make the calls instead of the players on the card"??? Now that an official makes the call, good or bad, it's a huge ordeal with backlash from thousands!! The decision is who makes the calls, not what happens because of the call. Case by case scenario for punishment will never be correct unless like other sports you have a "certified official" that are connected to the PDGA.. Until then you can't blame Official 1 for calling something Official 2 never would. So the PDGA and all of us members need to seriously contemplate where the sport needs to go and in what division!! My 2 cents

[@pablodubbitz9039]

Sounds like Brodie got played and his wife was disrespected. Fair enough. I'd be done with the friendship too. It's hard to know how that all played out without actually being directly involved. I doubt PmcB will ever share his side of things since it probably isn't the best look for him. Edit: Paul probably didn't like Brodie's "hot takes" he was putting out there and wanted to distance himself from that. Who knows? I just enjoy watching these guys throw plastic.

[@kingodoom2]

This was exactly what I was going to say. You would think as a friend he would be honest before Brodie moved, but maybe he figured it could work out. It is a shame how it played out really.

[@purv989]

Seems like we got one side of the story.

[@mattbrown5921]

@@purv989 if i moved my family across the country and a close friend didnt say they were gonna leave the business thus hurting the business i would cut them out of my life real quick. He could have stayed in Dallas and handled online stuff but sacrificed for the growing business so they could make content. Thats jacked up

[@ericwestanskog4115]

We have mad love for all of you. My sincerest hope is that you all find a way forward. Feel free to be POd now, but fix this once the anger has passed. We’re all human, and seeing the apologetic tone here is hopeful!

[@loopghost]

Lessons learned: 1. If you're going into business with someone, where a relocation or a significant $ investment is at play - you get a contract signed that spells out obligations. If a partner walks or fails to communicate a knowable situation, there needs to be a contract in place that protects your interests. 2. Business + Friendship is tough at best 3. Sharing your lessons learned in this format was very helpful and appreciated.

[@urbaniv]

The problem is, a contract wouldn't had changed anything. You ant force someone to be a good business partner. That is always part of doing business, you have to trust.

[@discblaster9210]

Nah it was an opportunistic punt anyway. He lost a little bit moving furniture but still owns his equity

[@capnhook33_]

You'd think that but this isn't the first time this has happened with Brodie, so now he has a pattern of not being a good business partner himself. He's good on his own, but struggles working with others.

[@discblaster9210]

@@capnhook33_ pipe down

[@tylernichols9312]

You could do the fine as a percentage of winnings over the last 3 years. That would make the fine equally as severe regardless of the level of success of the pro player on tour.

[@nicolasmorgan2816]

It’s extra embarrassing that this happened in Europe where he should be even more careful of his behavior as he is representing our whole nation. Imagine if the Euros came over here to play and then treated our volunteers like that. I’d want them kicked off the tour and wouldn’t feel bad about it for a second.

[@bradberger3093]

Agreed. At the end of the day, I hope Nikko realizes this is all on him. Somewhere, Bradley Williams is probably pissed off that Nikko's suspension is only 9 months. I don't understand all the back and forth regarding whether a fine should come in play. He will be missing some tournaments and that's gonna hurt his pocketbook. He still has every right to go and make some money through different avenues. It's not like the committee made up the rules on the fly. Maybe the policy needs to be tweaked, but this sport is unique due to the disparity from the top players to the lower ranked players.

[@LetterToVoltaire]

@@bradberger3093 Hopefully Bradley isn't thinking that, seems like he's grown up and matured enough to brush it off - constantly comparing yourself to others and in his case comparing suspension times for actions on the course can only result in negative outcomes.

[@bradberger3093]

@@LetterToVoltaire Agreed. Hopefully it's water under the bridge for him.

[@theopinionatedhippie470]

I am All In on the apology. Complete and thorough and well done. Much appreciated and thank you. We all make mistakes and we all need to take this path more often. Thanks, Brodie...and this has NOTHING to do with whether you needed to apologize or not. The right thing was done regardless.

[@richardjay5622]

Love Foundation's local retail store!

[@chrisrhome6638]

This isn't making things better. Brodie should just keep quiet and moved forward. He didn't need to go into any detail at all. Nobody actually cares if you just stop talking about it. But instead you choose to do a whole episode on a bunch of conjecture from just one side. There's obviously much more to this than Brodie is letting on.

[@BurtHandsome]

Brodie is a greedy immature drama llama who cares about his brand and making $. I don't think Paul can be at fault for wanting out of Foundation cuz what they had originally intended it to be wasn't where it was going, and that only changed when Brodie and Hunter saw all the potential $$$, that isn't what Paul signed up for

[@keiichi1]

I have been a fan of Brodie's since his first video with Dude Perfect. Watching Paul's manipulation of the disc is what helped me fall in love with disc golf and want to improve. I love how you (Brodie) was able to clear the air without gossip or slander. I am a fan of both of you and will continue to be one. I have nothing but respsct for both of you. People do some stupid things and make plenty of mistakes.

[@cadenrushford]

👍

[@davidgoater2181]

He flat out said Paul was associated with a close friend who did something terrible to Kelsey and didn’t stop it..then lied about it. Unless Paul admits to it….it’s his version and some might call that slander

[@keiichi1]

@@davidgoater2181 slander of an unnamed person.

[@davidgoater2181]

@@keiichi1 no sir. That’s slander against Paul. He was witness to, didn’t stop, and lied about whatever event.

[@ShakaTechnique]

@@davidgoater2181 we’ve got a disc golf lawyer here…

[@mcc3374]

Props for speaking publicly about this, takes a lot of guts to come out into the open and try to clear the air about something very personal. Sounds like a common lesson was learned, which a lot of people learn the hard way: do not mix business and friendship. It almost always ends in the end of a friendship. Even if both parties are invested, someone will ultimately feel "more" invested than the other party/parties. On the issue of Nikko, Paul is flat out wrong imo. If disc golf is going to grow as a franchise and be taken seriously as a professional sport, threatening an official or any other player (on or off the course), whether verbally or physically, cannot be tolerated; you can't make that your brand and profit from it. Everyone who pays attention to disc golf knows this isn't an isolated incident too, he uses intimidation commonly as a tactic on and off the course. Thanks for the conversation.

[@johnmatthews3532]

I'll say it again. Paul wasn't doing Nikko any favors with his comments. Nikko doesn't need an enabler in his corner. Nikko (I hope) takes this time to get his act together .

[@mal2ksc]

Paul started as a baseball player, and I hate to say it, but baseball coddles its assholes if they're good enough. A lot of the coaches and probably most of the management are assholes too. It's probably a hard mindset to shake.

[@davidgoater2181]

You are 100% correct sir. You’re the first person I’ve seen publicly say this.

[@daltonbarrett6404]

You're 100% wrong. Nikko did nothing wrong and Paul being an extremely calm headed and non self righteous human being, knows that Nikko did nothing wrong

[@davidgoater2181]

@@daltonbarrett6404 nikko did nothing that warranted a 9 month suspension. But it did deserve a penalty of some sort…and he doesn’t need Paul to speak for him in this instance.

[@daltonbarrett6404]

@@davidgoater2181 maybe ejection from the tournament where the incident occured. Anything past that is cruel and unusual punishment. And Nikko doesn't need Paul to stick up for him, but that's not what Paul was doing. Paul was just explaining what the rules actually are, and wouldn't ya know, the rules land on Nikkos side. So no Paul wasn't "enabling" anyone as the original poster claimed and you stated was 100% correct.

[@douglaswilliams99]

Paul is my favorite disc golfer, but I feel like he's wrong about this.

[@paul.etedder2439]

If you walked in his shoes day end and day out you Might feel different about it .

[@bryonlittle4341]

@@paul.etedder2439 that pretty much goes for most things.

[@bestofa.q.p.1840]

@@paul.etedder2439 If you were Paul McBeth, you would agree with yourself? What a revelation.

[@Shwaaball]

Brodie, thank you for your honesty. Such risks taken on your part to get into Foundation, move to Lynchburg, and then have the champ bail on the project is such a bummer. Glad everything is still working out. Great sound quality and video quality.

[@Flakzor123]

Personally I don't think the disciplinary board was swayed very much by the reputation of the player but rather the history of a uncontrolled outbursts which in some cases are also code of conduct violations (kicking the mini in anger would equate to throwing any object except the disc in play with anger). Those of us who are a little older and more controlled can see that a serious wakeup call was in order and I myself am a bit frustrated at all the people who have let this slide for so long. For me it all comes down to what is likely to be more effective: 1) a slap on the wrist which essentially means the player takes a forced vacation and simply deflects blame and comes back without working stuff out... or 2) A lengthy consequence forcing the player to look within himself and reach out to get proper help. In theory they could have shaved a few months off the 9 he got but any suspension serious enough to force a personal re-evaluation would almost certainly run the rest of the season. - I hope to see Nikko play well next season and most of all enjoy discgolf with a bit more harmony. Edit: The one way I can agree that Nikko probably feels a bit targeted is due to the fact that courtesy violations are so rarely enforced. Most CVs tend to be forgiven without a violationcall because they are rare single events and the offender shows sincere regret and apologizes and there is support for leniency there simply because "the spirit of the game". In the case of time violations however most of the "forgiveness" is already used up by the time you start clocking someone because you know people don't pull out a stopwatch until after half a dozen obvious time violations.

[@epegr1075]

I’m sure as Brodie said, he made many mistakes throughout the process but this also seems like a situation where Paul was committing some big errors effecting the foundation of his ‘friend’ / business partners life without a care in the world. Even going to the point of lying to his face after screwing him over. Then Hunter comes in and tries to downplay that saying “it’s just two people that made mistakes”. I hope for both their sakes this doesn’t start a misunderstanding between Brodie and Hunter. Hunter’s been lying and downplaying that anything was going on for months and then he tried to downplay something big here. On griplocked, said anyone would be disappointed and that it’s not a big deal. This is a huge deal. One where Paul screwed Brodie, and Brodie correspondingly had big, emotional things to deal and likely was extremely costly financially…maybe Brodie can be the bigger man and move on, but will be interesting to see if it doesn’t work out within a couple years

[@karleeshayne]

If nikko did what he did but at a normal 9 to 5, he would be fired, no come back in 9 months try again, he would just be fired. Maybe a warning and some mandatory anger management. After that suspensions are fine by me. If its your job and your anger could cost you that job, you need to work on that, end of story. He is a grown adult and a 'professional' he can learn to act professionally. Also 3 months per offense is not that bad, he did three things wrong, so a total of 9 months, seems fair.

[@user-qv7fs6ut2f]

Sports are filled with testosterone and adrenaline, the competitors are in warrior kill mode. There is a reason that suspensions for intimidating officials in sports are less than similar in a 9 to 5. 9 months is way too much even for Nikko...

[@calebread6966]

Depends on the job and your skillset. If you work in customer service...probably. If you work in construction and you're otherwise good at your job, no.

[@codylabrecque5446]

Paul seems like a great guy. I didn't root for him initially when I got into the sport bc he was Stef Curry. But I rooted for him after seeing how good a guy he is. And that hasn't changed much. But Brodie, despite his niche fame and success, really just rings true as a decent and good gentleman. And especially here, admitting his mistakes regarding his emotions about this debacle, he just seems like a humble person. And I'm just a fan. Love seeing his top ten performances, like, "Damn this dude is actually performing." And I love it.

[@stitch438]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL If you think brodie is humble you have no understanding of the concept.

[@rayreschke4351]

Thanks for all you do Brodie. No apologies from my perspective. Huge fan and I wish you all successes in what you put your hand to. Strength and Honor.

[@MountaindewM]

I had posted that I assumed it was about Paul selling Foundation back and noticed how Brodie moved back after having just moved and it seemed related. Brodie had said Kelsey was alone when he wasn't home and how he couldn't train in the off season as much as to why he moved back to Dallas. There was a lot of subtle hints along the way. I think it's fully understandable why he's upset about the whole thing.

[@dylanboberg6490]

This has to involve Kelsey right? Nick Carl?

[@Backhand_Drew]

Paul is a big rules guy but his take on it not being intimidation is just him using his angle of rules interpretation. He does it almost ever contention that is not in his favor. It isn't a bad thing it's just Paul's angle. But Nikko's situation is different. It is about intent. Even in the official wasn't intimidated, the intent was there. Let's see some much needed accountability and not play attorney for Nikko. Let him have his reflection time and accept his punishment.

[@thebr0wnhornet]

Did it really happen on the 18th hole of the last round right after he just threw out of bounds? (Read that somewhere) if that’s the case nikko was totally justified getting pissed bc you and I know he was prob taking that much time all weekend and getting called out at the last minute is ridiculous. That being said, the way he reacted is not acceptable although it was entertaining, but he should not have been stroked if the circumstances are like I heard.

[@endermetal]

@@thebr0wnhornet it was on the 18th hole, but it wasn't the last round.

[@chucksherron]

@@endermetal also he had been warned earlier in the round about taking too much time.

[@tomwood1400]

Exactly. It’s not complicated. That is just the consequences/result of those actions. In most situations that individual gets fired and loses his income

[@davidgoater2181]

@@tomwood1400 9 months is too long no matter who it is.

[@NorthernTroutHunters]

Bitterness is a poison. Forgive if you need to forgive and ask for forgiveness if you need forgiveness. A humble heart and not a hardened heart is a key. I pray for you! 🙏🏻

[@mrtony1985]

I see both Brodie's & Paul's perspective about the Nikko situation. Sad it devolved the way it did. I think there's a big communication gap between the two. Paul is very simple & to the point whereas Brodie is very elaborate & extroverted. As far as the business deal went down I totally feel for Brodie. Paul doesn't have to worry about his financial situation the way Brodie does so it appears he wasn't being empathetic to Brodies position. Paul doesn't seem like the type to start a conversation about something difficult. Brodie on the other hand would talk to anyone about anything and sometimes needs to know when not to.

[@mrtony1985]

@@sriousprobs477 if Paul lead him to believe he would stick around that 100% screwed Brodie over. From what multiple people have said Paul was just like, "I'm out." out of nowhere.

[@mrtony1985]

@@sriousprobs477 being a man has nothing to do with it.

[@mrtony1985]

@@sriousprobs477 I've had to make similar decisions for my family. Thing is I always gave plenty of notice and was clear about my intentions. It's called having integrity.

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

It’s ridiculous to think that the rumor mill wouldn’t start. You handle your beef publicly that’s what’s gonna happen…

[@SomeoneElsesStory]

Welcome back to Dallas, Brodie. We’re more than happy to have you here. Thanks for opening up on this.

[@matthewbertram4312]

I could be way off base, of course. Because I don't know him personally at all. But I get the feeling Paul doesn't think in a direction outside his immediate scope very well. And that's just a common trait for anyone who has a laser focus. He has the next steps for 5 years or more planned out as it impacts him directly. And so it feels like he either never considered how those directions would impact things like Brodie uprooting his life to move East, or he purposely ignored it because he just flat didn't want to address it until he wanted to address it. Bummer that a little foresight could have salvaged something like this. But also, it seems to be like if it wasn't this thing, it would have been something else down the road. You can be friends if you have two personalities that aren't necessarily on the same wavelength. But if you have to make financial decisions, career decisions, etc. that makes it tougher to avoid getting your horns locked, as it were.

[@jonathanadams4169]

At the end of the day I think it's important to get to a point where you can forgive other people who have wronged you, and show love towards them, regardless of whether they are at fault or not. Hardest commandment to keep. Love your enemies and pray and do good to those who despite fully use you. Sounds counterintuitive, but it puts you in a position where both people can be at peace. Despite popular belief, an apology is not required to make the situation right again for both people (it will come, but being angry or ending a relationship will not help. Showing love will and will help the other person come to a point where they will much more likely make the effort to makes things right - this will actually also make things right in the eyes of all those who are witnessing the situation. It's the hardest route to take, but has the best outcome).

[@AdamtheRed-]

So I'll be honest, I've been a long time hater of you Brodie. My first exposure to you was the fun round with Simon, Paul and yourself several years ago. You kind of brought a personality that was developed with trick-shot vids and a social media presence, and I really didnt think it was what the frolf community was or needed. I thought you were just playing for some fame and to make money. You've really proved how much you love the sport and are willing to improve to be at the top level, and I've gotta say I'm super impressed. What I see now is someone who wants to bring a positive, inclusive, can-do attitude to the sport. I appreciate the hard work and dedication you've displayed to get to where you are, its an inspiration to begginers and athletes that want to come over from other sports. I never wanted to watch you on coverage before, but now im really interested and am looking forward to watching your journey. Cheers and good luck!

[@AdamtheRed-]

@@ShaneAlan1 Obviously you didnt read the whole thing. So, clown reply. Gfys. Edit: you're the type of person that I didnt want infesting my sport.

[@allenhuffman3380]

6 months, $5,000 fine and proof of anger management class

[@ericjenkins1909]

Just make the fines a percentage of each players winnings for the last year, or something like that. Then it slides to not disproportionately effect lower tier guys, but still hurts

[@tpbailey08]

I don't know that that's fair either. 10% of a top guy's income is close to 10k. 10% of a top 20 guy's income could be near 2k. 10% of a top 50 guys income could be less than 1k. If they all did the same thing, are those fines fair?

[@ericjenkins1909]

@@tpbailey08 it’s a tough one to be sure. This I think would be more fair though than a flat $5k fine though, which hurts the top 50 guy a whole lot more than the top 10 guy.

[@ericjenkins1909]

@@Unknown-rb3ip going to jail for breaking the law takes away a person’s ability to provide as well, but that’s what happens. There should obviously be discretion used in sentencing so the punishment fits the crime, as there is a lot of gray area here. But to take fines off the table entirely is a bit silly.

[@troycross2858]

@@ericjenkins1909 you just gave a great example of how poor the American prison system is. Men get locked up for not paying child support and then are expected to backpay it when they get out. We shouldn’t base a new system on a clearly failed system that has only gotten worse.

[@ericjenkins1909]

@@Unknown-rb3ip let’s go another route then. If disc golf is someone’s livelihood, it is their job like any other. If I behaved like that at my place of work, I’d surely be fired. Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not. Hence the need for discretion in the gray areas. However, no one is entitled to keep doing their job, if they commit offenses that warrant termination or suspension. Do I agree with how the Nikko situation was handled? Not really, no. But it’s down to the degree of the punishment, not the need for punishment itself.

[@djksan1]

Watching the Nikko meltdown… dude was totally out of line! He steps into the official’s face, then tells the official to step away, then gets back in the official’s face… he’s lucky he only got 9 months. Furthermore, if he continued on after what we saw on camera… sheesh.

[@MikeJDiscGolf]

Bring back liveeeee, I wanna debate

[@thehomiezachd]

dang when hunter explained everything you could tell brodies feeling were hurt

[@kennethsimmons7394]

Maybe I just think that maybe Hunter went into a little bit more detail than what Brody was going to say

[@djlee4062]

I think what led up to it was that no one knew what was going on between you and Paul. When everyone saw you’d “blocked him for months” then it became very controversial / exciting (dramatically) because of the unknown ‘beef’. Everyone was wondering what could have happened and i think everyone was surprised by the conflict and blocked Twitter stuff

[@rossgallacher3341]

i dont watch religiously or anything but it felt like as soon as the paul announcement of leaving foundation there was an issue, and then nick and matt went separate ways as well. i just assumed was issue but was all very low key til this week they just got on with life so thats where apology comes in of brodie of it had been festering and he hadnt let it go. now it open more likely people move on

[@1019open]

Is their an appeal option with the PDGA?

[@buddy6189]

Ledgestone could be solved with point to point wireless antennas and omnidirectional antennas. You can't tell me they have all this money for audio video but nothing to put into delivering internet service to where they need to go. Maybe they need more tech guys.

[@eggward5094]

They 100% have the means to do it I think they might just be waiting a year or so to implement it but it's pretty shady with not knowing where all the money is being allocated towards

[@calebread6966]

@@eggward5094 what money lol. Disc golf has no money.

[@chrispalmer3967]

​@@calebread6966 ledgestone has money. they have the biggest payout of a non major and donate 150000 to charity. the td sells discs all year long for fundraising.it has turned more into a business than a tournament.nate heinold has the money.

[@eggward5094]

@@calebread6966 you thinking ledgestone, the pro tour and dgn has zero money is naive. They keep all that under wraps just to give a low quality product specifically dgn

[@micahcooley17]

Great clarifications. I like both Paul and Brodie. Definitely do NOT want disc golf to become a drama sport. I love how chill it is compared to others, and that's probably why it's the only sport I watch.

[@alexhampton5772]

Then you probably shouldn’t be a Brodie fan. Drama has done nothing but follow him around since he’s been in the disc golf scene.

[@brendinshedd8061]

If you want to go with fining players, maybe rather than a set $ amount it should be a percentage of the players average annual winning. That way its more individual to the player

[@richna9568]

"Just because we all play the same game, doesn't mean we have to all be friends" Moose - 2018

[@cosmolean]

Like discs slipping through the chains, these are the days of our lives. Appreciate Brodie satisfying our curiosity, what we imagined was much worse. Nikko's punishment should have been spending the next major tournament sitting on the trap door seat of one of those carnival games where you throw balls at a target and if you hit it a clown falls in the water. In this case fans, officials and other players can contribute a $1 for a chance to throw a disc at a target to knock Nikko in the drink.

[@philipsaul]

A dunk tank is 100% what disc golf needs to get people to watch tournaments in person

[@jamescarrier3372]

Is Hunter really sipping tea while Brodie is spilling it? 🤣🤣🤣

[@ronjones-6977]

Brodie was spilling the beans. Someone give Ezra a call. That's sacrilege!

[@ZachBiscardi]

Most definitely a cup of Coffee

[@LoganCullison1]

@@ZachBiscardi love seeing Biscardi Disc Golf in the foundation comments!

[@jamescarrier3372]

@@ZachBiscardi really? Y were there? You tasted it? Geezus dude, this isn't the Sherlock Holmes detective hour. It's a play on words....sipping tea a spilling it. You must be fun at parties. "AcTuAlLy!"

[@ZachBiscardi]

@James Carrier It was a joke. Which everyone got, except you unfortunately. And since I know Hunter well, yes, it was coffee.

[@Corrigan65_]

Do the research on Brodie and Paul’s relationship over past few years then tell me Brodie isn’t a brat

[@pluflop]

I think it's very cool that you chose not to monetize this video. With all the drama surrounding this I'm sure it would've gotten the clicks to be quite profitable but you recognized that this should be above board and not just a cash grab

[@davidduncan3439]

This is interesting, reading the comments. Some think Brodie made it better. Others think he made things worse. What really hurts me is when I griplock a midrange or putter and it flies off embarrassingly to the right.

[@Quixote56]

Just throw drivers

[@markwiggins2754]

Dude….I had a couple of those a few weeks ago…haaa…it was like I literally just turned and threw it 90 degrees to the right. All the broz were speechless…I was immediately elected President of the Board of the Shank of the Month Club

[@bobbyshizz2138]

I threw a shot yesterday that went 300 feet right and 30 feet behind me. Seriously

[@kennethsimmons7394]

@@markwiggins2754 I swear the hot weather makes me grip lock more I have no idea why you would think it wouldn’t because my hands are sweaty and shit but fuck warm weather😂

[@kennethsimmons7394]

@@bobbyshizz2138 impressive

[@jacksonhearst4785]

What did Paul lie about?

[@kieronmckay4276]

Ultimately the Disc Golf Network just needs to continue to invest in technology that enables them to get higher quality and more reliable streaming like you would get with a network providing coverage for any other professional sport (yes I know their budget isn't at the level of ESPN / NBC / CBS or whatever, but gotta work up to it and keep improving) OR stop showing live live coverage, and simply go to a delayed model where you get the full coverage with good resolution without parts cut out which is what people want with a certain amount of time delay to put together the broadcast in a truck on site or something. Services are available for simultaneous shooting and parallel source upload that could be fed back to a central location and delay streamed out at perfect quality, or they could invest in really ultra reliable hotspots that are networked together across the course and you put one at every hole or something, or both. You don't have to rely on through the air streaming where of course in wooded areas and places far from a hotspot aren't going to be as good, or whatever exactly it is they're doing cause the video quality is just not good enough as post produced coverage, regardless of what you think about the live product they do. Half the time you can't even see the disc, it's like watching hockey back on old tv's before HD sports where you can't even see the puck.

[@ChaceRehberg]

The difference is that each one of the "nice guys" you mentioned wouldn't have acted that way in the first place, and, even if they did, they would have spoken with officials after the tournament. You can't compare this situation in regards to other players and its impossible to not impose bias because they needed to show him that this is not okay, and, if they didn't, he would have done it again. If Big Jerm did it, it would absolutely be a one time, out of character, crazy situation.

[@nathanvanrooy3090]

If you want to be able to get up in officials faces, they must be professional officials. You can not abuse volunteers. They did not sign up for that and are there for the sport.

[@seanmorris]

Shouldn't be getting in any official's faces, paid or unpaid. Rugby has this nailed down, player shows dissent to the ref, 10 yard penalty, bitch about that, imediately another 10... 'Nikko, you went over time, that's a stroke' 'WHAT RULE!!!' 'That's another stroke!' 'STEP AWAY!' 'That's another stroke'

[@daltonbarrett6404]

That's exactly what they signed up for! And they didn't feel there time and effort was worth pay so that's on them. God that was a terrible take you just threw out there lmao

[@evanjohnrobasci7356]

@@daltonbarrett6404 I think your take is terrible. Just share your opinion, where's the need for insults?

[@daltonbarrett6404]

@@evanjohnrobasci7356 lmao you say my take is terrible, then you tell me there's no need for insults. Yet the only statement I made that could have been considered an insult is that the OP had a god awful take on the situation. And somehow you think anybody is gonna take what you say seriously 🤣🤣

[@Greldek]

I think Brodie has the best take on the Nikko situation I've read or heard so far.

[@name7892]

Y’all forget David Wiggins Jr? He’s pretty ripped and the furthest thrower out there. Also, much easier to teach strategy and in the moment decisions then it is distance and other skills. Performing under pressure though is impossible to predict.

[@ryansuter4424]

It is clear Nikko was using intimidation and also control. Walking close to someone and getting in their face and then asking them to step back is clear intimidation and a person trying to control another person.

[@flipflat4814]

Nikko needs a swirly 🌀🚽👍.

[@yobroski9613]

I hope nobody else who comments makes up their mind before hearing Paul's POV.

[@jhawksford]

If Paul is who I think he is, he won't comment. This is not worth anyone's time

[@waynebryant1857]

Does it really matter?

[@Joellivin]

With the niko thing, it's important to point out that most of these tournament officials are volunteers. In baseball and tennis these are people getting paid to call a game and take grief from these players. So if you want your volunteers to call a fair game and call the faults they see then you need to further protect them against these kind of awkward or intimidating reactions.

[@mal2ksc]

Also the major sports leagues have historically sheltered their assholes, if they're stars. This greatly decreases their ability to crack down now. The PDGA is not in that situation, and should take a stance against dickishness now to avoid finding themselves on a slippery slope.

[@daltonbarrett6404]

If you can't handle the players, don't volunteer to be an official.

[@dc7993]

@@daltonbarrett6404 bad take

[@Joellivin]

@@daltonbarrett6404 "handle the players"? These aren't toddlers in a day care requiring any sort of handling. These are adult professionals who should act accordingly.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

Need to just let the volunteers punch nikko out when he throws tantrums. Problem solved.

[@brad461]

Really nice breakdown. Think both these guys are really classy. Super bummed they had a falling out and hope they can patch it up. As far a Nikko, I definitely see both sides. I think the punishment is somewhere in the middle personally. Maybe through the end of the season. I also agree his personality brings a lot to disc golf.

[@ryanfitz95]

Tennis is a good example for Nikko. A player can argue and get fresh with the chair ump, but you can't act that way towards a line umpire, who is closer to what he did. If he asked for the TD or something and did what he did, it's different than a lower, volunteer type of position.

[@Luke-cp9cb]

Y’all are gonna have to explain more before Nick Carl gets chucked under the bus on twitter. That’s where everyone’s mind went when you said a mutual friend, And it makes too much sense with the nick and Matt show stepping away from this channel around the same time.

[@supay_inca]

Now just gotta hear about bro 5

[@ScottSmith-vc5vf]

Lol. I like the volunteer work suggestion!!!

[@MysticAce39]

It takes a big man to admit your mistakes. Appreciate the honesty, and respect you immensely

[@jvtc]

That didn't help. Now I just want to know what the mutual friend did....

[@subspaceanomaly]

something sleazy otherwise nothing about this makes sense

[@toemasii]

No clue why that was even brought up. 🙄🙄

[@jaysantos11]

so have any of you all get the scoop yet?

[@erikzeliasz7142]

Based on Paul’s $1M/year contract, he needs to focus on Disc Golf, and his charity, the PM foundation. His primary income is from his disc golf sponsors, and being involved with Foundation is a distraction to his main focus, and the money he makes through Foundation is probably pretty minor. Paul basically “made it” in playing Disc Golf, and doesn’t need Brody or Foundation financially. Brody’s main focus and main income is from his KZbin channel making videos, and he still has to find ways of making money in DG including working on Foundation. He didn’t “make it” by playing disc golf, so he needs these side projects for income. They are both focusing on two different thing. It’s a huge advantage to Foundation to use Paul’s name, and Brody is probably mad that they can’t. Overall they were getting more from Paul than Paul was getting from them, so it wasn’t a fair relationship. It makes sense that Paul bailed, and it’s interesting none of this was brought up.

[@Carback27]

It wasn't brought up because it's not really important to the story. The main beef is that Paul didn't tell Brodie his intentions prior to Brodie moving his family from their home. Paul knew Brodie was moving. And Paul knew he was going to leave Foundation. The proper thing would have been for Paul to have a conversation with Brodie prior to the move, not after. For the reasons you mentioned, no one would blame Paul for leaving Foundation. But Paul did not behave in the manner you would expect from a good friend.

[@discblaster9210]

Its three dunces that still don’t know how to run a business. If you have a GOAT partner, you don’t ever bother him ever except for to send him dividends. These guys are dumb

[@ryanstaunton421]

Oh I disagree

[@golpop]

People are not gonna stop talking about this bro

[@Dontslaythybroski]

Good talk.