Everything wrong that got the A's HERE (Oakland vs. Las Vegas)

It's been a decades-long journey in Oakland, and a lot of things have gone wrong to get us at this point... where the A's are strategically targeting relocation to Las Vegas.
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[@delvinwashington4298]

Brodie, in your timeline you forgot to mention the HOK sport study done in the late 90’s early 2000’s by the City of Oakland when Schott/Hoffman owned the A’s. That study had 5 or 6 possible sites 4 in Oakland. However, one of the owners wasn’t interested because supposedly he wanted to relocate the A’s to Santa Clara. Then Mayor Brown directed City staff to stop discussing it. Ultimately housing got constructed on the best ballpark site which at the time a surface parking lot behind the Fox Oakland Theater and a block away from a 19th Street BART station entrance.

[@deanwille334]

I remember that! It’s not just Oaklands fault! It’s A’s too

[@PauMaz]

Great, comprehensive video. It’s too bad the move to San Jose never happened. There is a lot of money in San Jose.

[@eddelao2762]

All of the Tech sponsorship/naming rights

[@bucketfootbaseball]

I'm going to start by saying that I turned 7 years old early in the A's first season in Oakland and have been a fan ever since, even now some 40 years after leaving the Bay Area. I briefly worked in the clubhouse (until they told me I had to cut my hair), attended the 1972 World Series, was at the Oakland Airport when they returned as World Champions and was at work watching the 1989 World Series pre-game show when the earthquake hit. So it would be fair to say I've basically been a life-long Oakland A's fan. All that said, this is finally the more balanced look at this from you that I've been waiting to see. While I think the current A's ownership is terrible (just like that of my current local team the Colorado Rockies), the bottom line is that this has been a 20-30 process of Oakland dragging its feet and not taking any of this serious. Then when they finally do something to the stadium, it is to appease the Traitors rather than the A's who had stuck with them for all these years and totally screws up the stadium for baseball. In my book this is 90% the fault of Oakland. While not being local makes it so that it really doesn’t matter to me where the A’s are located, I sincerely hope that somehow things can work out to where they stay there. Oh and the other 10% of the fault (maybe more actually) goes to the Giants, for their unforgivable act of blocking San Jose. No real A's fan can ever root for the Giants if they do end up being the only remaining team in the Bay Area!!!

[@skaftonmd8916]

From a St. Louisan and Cardinals fan, your videos have provided fantastic coverage of this whole situation since the As announcement last week. Great stuff! Honestly, as poorly as the A’s have handled things, they probably would’ve stayed in Oakland had the city gotten their act together years ago instead of just recently. You can only keep delaying a business for so long before they pick up and move… and, at the end of the day, the team is a business that was getting the run around from Oakland (the government, not the fans) for years.

[@liamcollins1646]

saw the same exact thing with the rams 🥲

[@Blue_Dun]

​@@liamcollins1646 yeah...three times

[@Blue_Dun]

@@liamcollins1646 come to think of it 4 times if you count the departure from Cleveland.

[@P31B]

You’re right. It takes two to tango, but when the team showed excitement the city was very hesitant. Honestly, the team is just moving where the money is. Before the pandemic, the tech boom was strong and Oakland’s prospects were very lucrative. Afterwards, the cities that stayed open and continued life as usual came out more on top, and hence Cegas is more attractive. The city needed to move efficiently to get the ballpark done when the team wanted to work with them. That said, it still hurts the team and league are gaslighting the fans and city for the low turnout and unwillingness to work with them when it just isn’t true, especially when they seem to have made up their mind before the 2021 season with the trades of the popular players, the sharp increase in ticket prices, and the new interest in the Vegas market.

[@thomasbeltran5417]

The Giants will have all of Northern California does it happen again.We as fans have to have such terrible ownership. This has been going on since Mr. Hass sold the team just so heartbreaking. Spent a lot of time there kids and grandkids. It’s all about ownership that is why we are here ⚾️❤️

[@erthlionblupanthr]

No, that's not why you are here......... The Lawsuits, the cost overruns, and the City of Oakland all had a hand in it. The death blow came on Opening Day......... The Rendon incident Showed a HUGE spotlight on what is wrong with the Coliseum site. Don't blame Fisher he is there to make 💰💰💰 this is not charity it's business

[@thomasbeltran5417]

@@theoriginalsurferbob must be a English teacher, thanks for the correct spelling 😉🤷🏾‍♂️

[@thomasbeltran5417]

@@theoriginalsurferbob my man 👍🏾

[@thomasbeltran5417]

@@theoriginalsurferbob those were the days ⚾️❤️

[@johnwalker4329]

And I will never become a giants fan. They can have the bay area. I'm preparing to leave oakland anyway because not only is it too expensive, it's become racist because of gentrification and immigration. Legal and illegal.

[@stevemaraccini3062]

Once again, great insight, Brodie. I saw my first A's game in 1971 and then covered the team from 79-81. Not a lot has changed in the bowels of the Coliseum. When I covered them, the press box was arcane. The facilities were laughable. Even the press elevator was horrific. The so-called "mezzanine boxes" (at least those were upgraded) were an absolute joke. I'm telling you, I can walk into the Coliseum today, and sadly, despite a few cosmetic changes, it's still the place I went to in 1971. You are right on using the Angels and Dodgers ballparks as an example. The Angels park is nothing like it was in the 70s. Continual upgrades have made it a gem. If only the same had been done here, we probably wouldn't be in this place 😢.

[@jmarx_live]

Great knowledge

[@romelovesdan]

Great coverage and insight into this issue- I had never seen that 60's potential alternate location rendering before. My sympathies for the True Green and Gold A's fans. This out of towner will miss the Coliseum, and the atmosphere the team could some times inspire.

[@romelovesdan]

@@Blackholehoe78 You are a truly amazing and loyal fan.....always welcome here to cheer the A's in San Diego.

[@romelovesdan]

@@Blackholehoe78 Yes, that sudden drop over the freeway at the SD airport near the buildings is like a thrill ride! I for one, was very disappointed with Manea last year...and became upset when he said he confessed after the season that he was a bit "lazy". He and Clevinger's epic 'lose from ahead' so called "performance" in the 2022 NLCS gm 4 was devastating. All current A's season ticket holders need to be given unprecedented ticket price opportunities in Las Vegas. I gotta get up to The OAK Coliseum again this summer....

[@MrRobrice1]

The fairest piece I have saw on this situation yet. Great job.

[@Emirates_A380]

Brodie Thanks for the video. That explains a lot 🙌🙌

[@smokyo7855]

I agree! What about the past 6-8 years? Our former mayor has been sitting on this for too long. Now it seems that Mayor Thao is wrongly getting all the blame. She has taken more hard core steps to bring the deal together in her last couple of months than mayor Schaaf has in her 2 terms.

[@eleventy-seven]

Agreed. The only one saying negative things about her are not from the bay.

[@fosternyc926]

Brodie, you’ve got to come to terms with the A’s going to Vegas

[@Darknightdriver1]

Would've doesn't exist. I'm an A's fan too, but everything is out of our control at this point. All we can do is remember them playing at the coliseum. One day we'll tell our grandkids that we saw the A's at the coliseum.

[@Maverick_3427]

One of the biggest issues with not getting a new stadium you touched on early, nothing changed in the coliseum, because the owners didn’t see a “need” from the time I was probably 5 years old until now in my 30’s nothing changed.

[@nflmlbclassics]

Great video Brodie - loved the history and how we got here. I'm very bummed that it seems the deal would have been done in short-order with Oakland if the A's kept negotiating AND it is clear from your history lesson here that there were MANY opportunities to avoid this whole problem to begin with. Going to LV won't help the A's really is John Fisher still owns the team. I would submit the worst owner in sports.

[@chrisguardiano6143]

I agree with you 100% about Fisher being the worst owner in sports (though people in NYC might say James Dolan is the worst given his absolutely awful ownership of the Knicks).

[@robbyc408]

Seeing how badly the A's bungled the Peralta site announcement is the only thing giving me hope that Vegas will fail...

[@buicklincoln]

The A's owners did similar to what the Rams owners did when they left LA for St. Louis: they killed off their fanbases as an excuse to move. Rams moved back under different ownership and all of a sudden football in LA area is an "opportunity." The A's need an owner who gives a damn about the Oakland community.

[@MrRobrice1]

The fans have nothing to do with them moving. They are a business, first and foremost. And there are no revenue streams at the coliseum. Zero. There are zero corporate sponsors in Oakland. This is business. Oakland had 3 shots and blew them all.

[@jmarx_live]

Great history lesson, Brodie.

[@alfredoescalante7418]

Loved the video and the attempt but their are a few things that got left out and they couldn't be left out I will stick with one point in 1995 when the Raiders sign their 20 year lease , it was stated very clearly Mt Davis was a patch job , that the commission, county and city with the times with on the clock because at the end of those 20 years 3 new stadiums needed to be already being built to replace the current structures. the unfortunate item is that Oakland and Alameda country are world famous for sitting on this hands till the last minute this time it has bit them Thier is a ton of other factures involved but I left in your [presentation you were missing this point

[@RobustArid379]

If Oakland A’s want higher attendance. Do a sideshow and bring your rear wheel drive

[@anaheimskip]

Is it just me or does that original plan for the Coliseum by Lake Merritt look a lot like the Roman Colisseum on the outside?

[@pacheaco727]

Was waiting for one word : OWNERSHIP

[@deanwille8130]

MLB is to blame for all this by not allowing A’s to move to San Jose after Fremont failed. A Fremont ballpark would’ve been built had Wolff stayed patient and not backed out. I lived in Fremont for 10 years and have lived in San Jose for the last 13 years. Either city would’ve made A’s successful. There’s no reason for A’s to leave Bay Area. Fremont and San Jose were both excellent alternatives if Oakland just can’t get done.

[@seanlovens8555]

If the Giants are as heartbroken by the news (per their tweet), of the A's leaving they should cede the rights to San Jose and the land is still available for purchase now from Google.

[@georgehand]

Could you imagine if San Jose had happened I would have had my nhl team (Sharks), my ahl team (Barracuda) and my mlb team (Athletics) all in the same city

[@RobustArid379]

I support A’s decision on the move to LV. It’s better for Oakland residents. Oakland doesn’t need tourists and out of town to get robbed

[@sweetmapleleafs]

A's arent going anywhere, Brodie. Vegas casinos do not want pro sports to be an all year round thing. It takes people away from the casinos, and they rather have those people spend money with them and not come back from the ballpark having spent all their money. Mare Island in Vallejo should have been the site of their ballpark anyway. The owner will likely sell the team back to MLB, who will put them on contraction. The A's would still exist, just not in MLB

[@DMAN-xk5ni]

Hopefully the A’s stay in Oakland. Would be a nice stadium down by the water, imo I think Vegas should get an expansion team. The Knights are loved by locals.

[@tram84mvp]

When they didn't get an agreement written in stone while Libby was still in office i figured it wasn't gonna happen.

[@Just_Klaatu]

The A’s should have moved to Dublin/Pleasanton.

[@someguy7222]

I'm so heartbroken

[@RobustArid379]

Oakland fans are diehard fans. All the pro sports teams killed them off.

[@jordanjohnson9866]

Nah. Not “All the pro sports teams killed them off.” /

[@kenamaro3942]

"uprooted from Oakland".

[@toyotarizzle]

Who was the Philadelphia Athletics. There was an MLB Athletics that moved from Philadelphia but Zennie62 said the A's were the Kansas City A's or Athletics so where did Philadelphia Athletics go. I said they were the Philadelphia Athletics but he said it was Kansas City A's or Athletics never Philadelphia.

[@RobustArid379]

Dude! Oakland has UC Berkeley university not community colleges

[@northernsurferboy]

whether that dump was built downtown or not wouldn't matter in 2023, instead of building Mt Davis the city should of built a barebones stadium that could be upgraded instead of making the stadium a upgraded multi purpose stadium when that wasn't the trend in the mid 90's, the greatest part of that stadium is that it was were Robbie Alomar hit a 2 hr in the 9th to win game 3 in the 1992 ALCS and Duane Ward destroyed the A's that series

[@chuckklenus9329]

Nevada tax credits will held the construction of the new stadium. The Tax credits from sales tax on the stadium property. The A's will get revenue from the naming rights of the new stadium

[@Blue_Dun]

This video should be called "Beating a Dead Horse "

[@henryaldrich7726]

last 10 years the warriors, raiders and now most likely the a's have left oakland.

[@RobustArid379]

Don’t forget the Oakland zoo is number one in the Bay Area. Nicely organized and beautiful animal store.

[@eleventy-seven]

​@@jjmerc8868 The summer concert series is awesome.

[@seand1011]

I STILL say the A's screwed themselves back when they stupidly gave the Giants the San Jose territory WITHOUT any provisions to take it back if they didn't build there. This was in 1992.

[@jesusm2159]

Does Tampa bsy have deadline?

[@ronclark9724]

The filthy rich teams of MLB have won a battle vs the luxury tax and revenue sharing they don't like whatsoever. They got an out for those teams that dump games and don't invest into their teams properly, like the present A's... Without revenue sharing income, Fisher is screwed...

[@RandallGove]

Can we talk about the elephant in the room? RACE!

[@bweewiggy5829]

Again. One big reason the A's are moving is due to the unsafe conditions in the surrounding neighborhoods. I was a season ticket holder for 27-years. Over that period of time, attending A's games became more and more dangerous for fans. Cars are broken into during virtually every homestand (((IN THE COLISEUM PARKING LOT)))!!! Assaults on Fans are almost common place. The Coliseum BART station has been the site of many robberies and assaults. I decided to stop my season-tickets after 2018. I went to an A's game. While waiting for the BART train to Concord after the game, about 50-young teens entered the BART station and started beating people up. I was with my wife and kids. We avoided the attacks, going to the far southern end of the platform. The attacks were unprovoked. The attacks are typical of what we see happening in Oakland today. Why didn't the A's build a stadium next to the Coliseum? The answer is. (((THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUCKS!!)). This isn't the only reason for the A's departure, however it is a reason that everyone is afraid to talk about. I know several former season ticket holders who stopped because of the neighborhood!! The A's are leaving because Oakland is dangerous! The low attendance, in part, is due to the lack of safety.

[@donaldcampbell9483]

They added diamond vison lol

[@ronclark9724]

While cities, even minor league cities, will build a new ballpark to land one, none of the cities have any desire to maintain and sustain these ballparks. Teams will sign a long term lease, usually around 30 years for a new ballpark as the cities demand long term leases to pay off the mortgage. After 20 years much of the infrastructure requires significant maintenance when the HVAC, plumbing, and kitchen kit conks out. The cities are the landlord, their tenants expect the landlord to maintain and sustain their ballparks, as the teams do NOT own them. Unfortunately most cities have other priorities, why' should the taxpayers fork out the dough to fix up the team's ballpark. However, it is the city's property, not the teams... Real estate 101... Notice when the teams do own their ballparks, they are maintained and sustained better. Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, Dodger Stadium, even Sportsman Park. When Gussie Busch bought the Cards he also bought the Browns' Sportsman Park. Bill Veeck let it rot, but Gussie spruce it up to last another 15 years... For those who are fond of Fenway, Sportsman Park was built earlier than Fenway... I still recall Bob Gibson pitching for the Cards in the 1964 World Series vs the Yankees... My father recalls the Cards and the Browns streetcar series at the same ballpark, every game...

[@danhill7889]

Unfortunately for A's Fans and Oakland Residents, the City of Oakland is one of the most poorly managed cities in all of the US and has been for a long time. A's leaving is just another example of the fall of California.

[@katelynjohnson9037]

Maybe Lego Land was added for kids in those decades? Obviously gone now.

[@Maverick_3427]

Also you have had to be pretty out in the woods to have ever believed the “Howard Terminal” site

[@kjdowling]

The Raiders were never able to fill Mt Davis

[@cityhawk]

So basically the Oakland A’s were made to be screwed. I hate to say it, but maybe MLB didn’t want the A’s to go to Northern California in the first place because the Giants were already there. It seems as if all of these dominoes were made to force the A’s to move out of Northern California. It shouldn’t have been this complicated.

[@EvanEscher]

If that were the case, the A's would have moved years ago

[@mlbjmaur]

Can we get Brodie to 20K subscribers??

[@Old_Foxy_Grandpa]

once burned, twice shy.

[@rickgray5731]

I still think $175M gap between what Oakland had secured and what the A's were willing to come up with to cover what was supposed to be Oakland's responsibility were the final straw. Do I think it fair? No, but I have to admit that attendance hasn't been close to MLB averages for more than 28 years. You can blame the penny pinching ownerships of Schott & Hoffman to Wolfe & Fisher to Fisher. John might be a nice person to know, and a loyal boss, but he punked almost every A's fan for the past 18 years with the way he runs this club. Last thought. Brodie, if you owned the Giants, & knew a big way you've been able to keep the team in the black is by all those tech companies in Santa Clara, San Jose & Silcon Valley. Would you have given the A's the South Bay back? I know it's cut throat business, but San Jose A's would've meant no more large purchases of suites, club seats, & advertising at third & King.

[@craigphillips3154]

Here's another possible take: Vegas was laying in the weeds for a while. Once it looked like the Howard Terminal site was finally getting some momentum and getting close to closing a deal, the powers in Vegas moved to get a site finalized and finalized the land sale to the A's.

[@pool__boy]

The athletics organization has a long, ugly reputation for counting their eggs before they hatch, as you correctly covered. Let’s just hope this last instance will be the catalyst to staying in the east bay

[@michaelbyers8931]

LOL it was down town. Yeah then all those junkies would be down town too. Where are you from?

[@milesmayhem5440]

Put a new Stadium on Mare Island.

[@sonikmojo8430]

Guys having a hard time dealing with this.

[@sonikmojo8430]

@@jjmerc8868 I just can't believe they want 2 AAA teams in Vegas.🤣🤣🤣

[@astrostar49]

@@jjmerc8868 Yup the A's have an all-star squad worth talking about this year!!!! World Series here we come!!!!

[@RobustArid379]

Oakland doesn’t need advertising to other countries and for foreigners to come to that city.

[@joanned8172]

Oakland is a dying stagnant city and has been for a long, long time. The population is not much bigger in the city than when the coliseum was built. To put it in perspective Oakland was at 384K population in 1950, its now about 430k and declining. Yes there is a lot of people in the bay area overall, but very few have been attending A's games, since about 2006 the team has been near the bottom of MLB in attendance even with some good teams. The A's no doubt looked at this and the current trend of businesses and people fleeing the bay area and the state of California and realized they would be far better off moving to a city that is growing and with a far better economic outlook.

[@RobustArid379]

Don’t forget the warriors season been kicking butt and still has not ended their season for a decade when A’s beginning just started the season. Hence the traffic is the worst around colosseum i880.

[@kohort1]

Las Vegas is growing no doubt but they get hit hard when California gets hit hard w the economy and what not. Certainly LV has become more complex over the years such that it isn't just an entertainment town. They are just beginning to mortgage the future of LV and Nevada and basically do what CA has been doing... Becoming an entangled web of constituents, entitlements, Bond measures, infrastructural up keep, etc. Big Metro problems that hopefully they can avoid. Just don't screw up those mountains and canyons you have around there.

[@eleventy-seven]

​@@kohort1 Vegas will run out of water. So will LA.

[@taryndesmond4826]

The owner has not put money into the Coleseum in years.

[@bogeyman7436]

The players wont have to pay California taxes😍😍

[@danabrown4647]

Thank you Oakland...!!! 🤑

[@erich84502a]

Vegas really likes baseball so it will work but they chose property close to Tmobile and Alegiant and NBA basketball is on the way

[@chuckklenus9329]

MLB OWNERS will approve the move. I live in Las Vegas and are on top of the progress

[@kcnoise]

Why is it so hard to build things in California? Why not answer that question? This nonsense doesn’t exist in other states.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

POC run city...total incompetence 😂 😂 😂

[@michaeltamares7974]

Umm. Oakland city council gets half the blame... Raiders gone,,warriors gone....

[@splashnskillz37]

As trashy as Oakland may be, they know how to make one hell of a soap opera ngl

[@mikepuncsak7297]

Call m e troo wound up with this whole thing but I believe that if Libby Schaff stayed as Oaklands Mayor ...Howard Terminal would have been a reality.Why? Because Libby Schaff had more of a history with the A's and things were going ok while she was the top politico in the City of Oakland. Ok...I'll go away...

[@jonnieinbangkok]

"Sheng Tao"...what the he'll is that...something you order at a Vietnamese restaurant 🤔

[@paulrodrigues7144]

tell me you're an ignorant racist without telling me you're an ignorant racist

[@deanwille334]

Raiders making dumb unnecessary move to LA in 1982 was the beginning because they returned and ruined the Coliseum. A new stadium probably would’ve been built for the A’s had Al Davis stayed.

[@deanwille334]

@@tqmeone If they would’ve stayed, fan base would’ve kept growing. I remember the Raiders before the move and you are right on some points but the move created a gang image. Raiders have loss many great fans with these moves so I believe it was unnecessary because they were averaging in top 5 in revenue before move to LA. You should only move if you are going bankrupt

[@deanwille334]

@@tqmeone Raiders changed.

[@deanwille334]

@@tqmeone Why did they leave LA for Oakland if it was so wonderful? Yes they have more fans down there now because the Bay Area got screwed over by them so badly they stopped following them. I totally disagree with you on the move being good.National exposure means nothing if you are loser like they are. Raiders when in Oakland before 1982, had incredible Monday night football ratings so they were getting exposure because they were an excellent and respectable organization.

[@deanwille334]

@@tqmeone Al Davis wants handout like a lot of owners. Raiders show no commitment to anyone

[@kohort1]

​@@tqmeone they had more fans in LA and SD bc the Rams left as well and the chargers were just not popular. So the LA fans stuck with what was next best. Plus the raiders were in Oakland originally...so psychologically, there was less animosity with the move back up state. But yes, that makes the move to LV easier bc it's closer to LA. The NFL supports bc many fans either stuck with or jumped to 49ers as a decent percentage of raiders fans still supported 49ers 2nd.

[@chuckklenus9329]

They Couldn't get deals done. Part of the blame is the city of Oakland. It's time to move on. Oakland mayor blames the A's for turning their backs on the city of Oakland,that's BS . They tried to get the deals done, but the city of Oakland isn't serious about keeping the A's. Raiders and Warriors. Now yr crying about losing yr teams. FACE FACTS. THE A'S ARE ON THE MOVE.

[@deanwille8130]

Can you explain why A’s couldn’t get a stadium built in Fremont? They are way better to deal with than Oakland. A’s have lousy owners who don’t know how to get anything done. That’s the truth

[@beaubock77]

"this is not me bashing the raiders video..." ... Proceeds to bash raiders for two minutes

[@RobustArid379]

The bay bridge is the only reason why Oakland was known for. It connects to Frisco.

[@NBZW]

Here’s an idea. Move the A’s to Sacramento and leave the damm drums in Oakland , they both deserve one another.

[@goodcomments8479]

Gave away SJ, '66 stadium, poor city, cheap owners, no local developers=move to new city

[@georgegomez5654]

So why and what happened to that 100 million that was spent on research or what ever it was that the A's spent ????

[@TheOaklandAthletics1989]

I love Oakland but that is a failed City. The city of Oakland begrudged its community so I'm not surprised that the A's are leaving.