Broken Legacy: United Methodist General Conference Explained

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

UPDATE! Over 1,000,000 members left the United Methodists in a day (May 28th, 2024). Video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5fPq5yuqJuUqqM

[@fredphilippi8388]

You can run but you can't hide. In time,, the LGBTQ+ issue will catch up with you.

[@charliecrowe6606]

“Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive any of her plagues; Rev 18:4

[@tomfuller5585]

John Wesley-founder of the Methodist Church-on Romans 1:27: “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Wesley: “Receiving the just recompense of their error - Their idolatry being punished with that unnatural lust, which was as horrible a dishonour to the body, as their idolatry was to God.” (Notes on the New Testament)

[@kenneths.9315]

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition."

[@manorguys6995]

Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13, "If a man lies with a man as he would with a woman, they have BOTH committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death, their blood shall be upon them".

[@joeyratpack]

So, just for clarification, you also believe homosexuals should be put to death?

[@jackiepersing-hy3lo]

This is why I left the Methodist Church. And the entire lifetime in that church, but when it stopped following the word of God, I stopped following them.. it’s pretty simple, people change and societies change and ideologies change. However, the Bible never does……. Goodbye.

[@garythompson2517]

While man can write books to confirm his own lifestyles and ideals, God's Word never changes. We will all give an account to Jesus.

[@Candy-sy6eo]

Shocking how spiteful the conference became to their conservative members!

[@greglane3978]

Fully expected from Heretics.

[@juditabler984]

This was excellent. Thank you. I can understand the hard work, study, prayer and research that brought forth this report!

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@gooiehoop20]

The UMC is no longer Christian in any way.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

I need to apologize - the opening slide says "March 3rd." This is an obvious typo, as the Conference ended on "May 3rd." I apologize for missing that. In all the hours of editing, I cannot believe I missed the very first slide. It has been a while since I've edited a video and I am undeniably more rusty than I thought. I hope that doesn't ruin the experience. I went through the rest of the video again, and unless I missed something, every other date should be fine. I'm trying to blur out the line now - it'll take a while through KZbin's editor. I feel dumb.

[@russ254]

no biggie! ❤

[@Faithhopelove1702]

Please don't! Thank you for this recap! Truly sad and disheartening!

[@truthpluslove]

It's not even noticeable. Bless you

[@RandomStuff-i4i]

Well, at least the person has a conscience. Now, I'm just waiting for the news the UMC has joined the LGBTQIA and has become the LGBTQIAUMC

[@amosnyandwi8990]

P

[@jamestrotter3162]

Jesus Christ has declared the UMC apostate. He has vomited it out of His mouth and written Ichabod on its door.

[@toddsmyzer9067]

Amen 🙏

[@bryanpritchett]

Pictures or it didn't happen

[@ElMcMeen1a]

The lifeblood had left the body, and the General Conference is celebrating power over the corpse. Just sad.

[@TRtribal]

As a UMC pastor in the process of leaving this heretical denomination and it's apostate leadership, I applaud the accuracy and completeness of your video. Our bishop has demanded hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions in some cases, for churches to leave.

[@PatrickEvans07]

Consider the GMC. As a pastor in the GMC church this has been a world of difference from the UMC.

[@tiggerforhim]

We had to pay 20000 plus to leave. We weren't given the choice to vote before June, we squeaked by by 3 votes. The GMV has provided us breathing room, but we are still shell-shocked.

[@marcovau4902]

May our Lord bless you, brother.

[@WVDB7153]

Extortion, pure and simple.

[@greglane3978]

@@tiggerforhim We are a small church and paid $10K to leave. We knew this was coming and prepared. Our vote to leave was unanimous. Best thing we ever did. We will remain independent and see where the Globalist and the Wesleyans land in a year or two and then decide if we will re-affiliate. If they stay true to what they say now that is good. If the start heading down the UMC path no thanks.

[@wtpence4731]

We Will leave You ! So Sad ! The fix was in Way ahead of time !

[@seanbray7933]

The leaders that reject God & embrace their sin caused the churches split but yet wont let those member churches who embrace God & repent of their sin to leave. Hypocrisy must be maintained. So very sad.

[@nerdwizard]

Keep strong and never renounce the Lord or the Bible for anything worldly, African Church. This American of moral resolve stands with you through this, even if I must stand alone and I'll keep you all in my prayers. May the Lord keep us all unto Judgement Day, and may he grant us Courage in these Last Days.

[@tonysullivan9552]

All, while we are in agreement that the UMC has lost it's way. I too have left it and am now attending a biblically centered Global Methodist Church, please let's remember to pray for the UMC and for the members who for whatever reason, age, health, and or family, don't feel like they can leave.

[@wingrider1004]

The wheat is being separated from the chaff. The falling away has been foretold. Do not be surprised.

[@Ammo08]

The progressives stacked the deck...I'm not Methodist but many of my family and friends are..they are not happy about what has happened.

[@timmychem]

The progressives employed the same tactics as did the traditionalists, just at different times.

[@kueagle1]

great piece, thanks for making it

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

My pleasure. :)

[@gloriawilson3241]

They adopted the Ten Suggestions instead of the Biblical commandments.

[@OneAmericanWriter]

This makes unbelieving Pharisees in Christ’s day look good. (I had no idea we were the last mainstream denomination to leave Him.) Thank you for this!!!

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

While I of course dislike the Pharisees, I can at least understand their desire to remain theologically “pure” in light of the writings and lessons of Sirach and the Maccabean revolt. “A good Jew follows the law” is a sensible mantra, until Christ came and they rejected the law giver. The United Methodist leadership, as you said so well, has no such excuse. But, I hope it was informative.

[@terriburgess5194]

Likewise, did not realize it either.

[@larrybedouin2921]

If you let the ways of the world into the church, then thier will be no difference between the church and a fallen world.

[@omeryoung3338]

Thanks for sharing!! Sad, yes, but we as HIS BODY must not have our heads in the sand!!

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

So true!

[@southerngent253]

This makes me think of a bible verse. Matthew 7:22 states, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" . In response, Jesus says, "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity". This verse could be referring to the UMC.

[@janeburkhart4051]

I left the UMC 6 years ago because I could see where things were going, and going there quickly. I am now in the process of joining the true Church, the Catholic church. I'm so thankful my eyes were opened. We need to pray for all people who have been lead away from God by those who purposely misinterpret the Bible to justify their agenda of embracing the current social climate.

[@jen8932]

Sobrang nakakalungkot ako kasi iba na ang UMC ngayon sa dating UMC na nakilala ko noon. Sobrang proud ako kasi kahit teenager na ako ng nakakilala sa Diyos ay marami akong natutunan dahil sa UMC bilang isang follower of Christ. Pero ngayon, ibang-iba na ang UMC. 😢 In-encourage ko pa naman ang mga kamag-anak ko mag UMC sila. Yung isa ay nakakilala kay Jesus, humingi sya ng tawad sa mga kasalanan nya sa Diyos. Sya ay pinatawad ng Diyos at nagkaroon sya ng buhay na walang hanggan, nagkaroon ng Liwanag ang buhay nya. Nagkaroon sya ng di matatawarang JOY & PEACE hindi man na-solve lahat ng problema, hindi man nawala lahat ng problema nya. NGAYON ang problema ko ay paano di madamay ang mga baguhang member/attendee na kamag-anak ko sa makamundong UMC ngayon. Saang simbahan na sila pupunta? Ako dito sa USA marami akong mapupuntahan. Pero ang mga kamag-anak ko, bago pa lang sa pananampalataya at nag-aalala ako para sa kanilang buhay spiritual kapag patuloy pa rin sila sa UMC. 😢

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Prayers for you as you continue to guide and pray for others.

[@ANGELSVEN]

We, the real Methodists, LOVE and RESPECT (y)our African brothers and sisters, just FYI! UMC was hijacked by the bishops. John Wesley's Methodism is STILL THERE in America despite the evil that has infiltrated it. There are millions of true Methodists that are WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, please know that, even though they are there and we are here. There are MILLIONS of faithful Christians in America, they just don't see it but please KNOW that we are here and we love you. Press on, faithful believers! Press on to the very end as we are told to do in the Bible. This new UMC will be judged and be destroyed by the Lord in due time.

[@kueagle1]

I saw a clip from an African bishop complaining about the delegate game the liberals played. He was booed. It is so liberal, play games to impose their will.

[@getworking5652]

Thank you for this very informative video. After 50 years of being a member of the UMC, I cannot in good conscience remain in this now apostate denomination.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

I hope it was helpful and not just demoralizing.

[@zoompt-lm5xw]

I blame weak men

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

There is a lot in the world today I lay at the feet of weak men.

[@ANGELSVEN]

I blame corrupt bishops!

[@greglane3978]

The flames in their symbol fit. They have burned down their church.

[@mn2mx563]

United Methodist Sinners Club

[@davidlivingston6566]

At 4 minutes, the issue with this piece is that, historically, it was inserted in the book of discipline as a effort to prevent LGBT ordination. The person who proposed this has admitted it. It. So there are historical reasons why this was found to be offensive. We struggled at General Conference with the proper language and ended up with what we have. The purpose was not to allow for sexual relations outside of marriage.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

It’s hard to find info sometimes on a Google search without knowing where to go. All I could find easily was “it was there to prevent LGBT ordination” but didn’t provide any other citation. I think the bigger issue now is the ambiguity of “immorality.” For example - is it immorality to refuse to perform LGBTQIA services? Maybe not now, but with ambiguous language, I don’t think it is a far cry to say it easily could be, soon. And I don’t believe traditionalists have any reason to trust what is “immoral” will not change, because it quite literally did this year. Not arguing, per say - I know your name has been a fairly vocal progressive-centrist who did not like the unequal application of 2553. Only frustrated for traditionalists who tried hard to give progressives avenues to leave with property, only to have the same courtesy not given.

[@davidlivingston6566]

@@ChurchHistoryStories hoping you saw my other comment with the link. I hear your concern. There is other interesting history here. Once upon a time, Paragraph 310 also specifically banned using alcohol and tobacco. Then the denomination said, "You know, if we go into detail on every aspect of life that is immoral this book will never end." So those specific prohibitions were taken out in favor of the far more general but comprehensive language in the 2016 BOD. Even before I became more progressive on inclusion it seemed to me like we unnecessarily singled out this one piece. On the departures, I do believe conferences should allow churches to leave and the large majority are. Having said that, history will show that I gave the last speech at the 2019 GC. The item was 2553. I said it was an exit for traditionalists, not progressives. I was right. Traditionalists gave an exit to progressives that progressives never asked for. I remain skeptical that the intent was ever for progressives to use it.

[@seanbray7933]

Wow they deliberately discriminated against those delegates that hold to God. Persecution of belivers will eventually follow. If it hasnt started already. I spoke too soon. It has started.

[@DanH-ui8oh]

All main line protestant churches are dying and closing churches and merging congregations in a rapid pace. I pray in the US, the new Global Methodist Church will grow

[@eforsy650]

I never ever hear the UMC talk about God and Jesus Christ. Completely absent from their discussions.

[@justinreagan5702]

The apostle Paul has strong words for those who preach another gospel. This religious, social organization that is called a church is preaching and living a gospel not according to the Bible. What fellowship does light have with darkness? Those who are of Christ, in my opinion, should flee what I have heard others call this apostate religious organization. I did long ago.

[@martinospitaletta8198]

If I manage to attain salvation by living in allegiance to Christ by the grace of God, I will be present when this neopagan antichrists will be called out by the true Christ. Those now blind in pride and sexual sin will then be like dry wood in the flames of hell, weeping, and gnashing with their teeth, begging,crying for mercy: all the while being dragged and then thrown into the Lake of fire.

[@brandonschmidt437]

I really hope that my beloved church will abandon its current position and return to the old ways of faith and return our traditions of service, scriptural literacy and the fire of the faith !

[@edwardadams7408]

Forgive them, heavenly father, for they do not know what they do.

[@TRtribal]

I'm a Methodist pastor on my way out - trust me, some of them know exactly what they are doing.

[@brianmidmore2221]

I think they do!

[@paulgrubbs1121]

They absolutely do know what they are doing. It is carefully planned and orchestrated by a secret cub of which we are not invited. How these powers that be willfully set out to discriminate against the African delegates tells us everything we need to know.

[@Joshuaunlimitedmlk]

They know EXACTLY and PURPOSELY what they are doing.

[@rnbham39]

Nope, they know exactly. It is Gods mercy that NO ONE will be able to say ‘we did not know’…times are different now…and this will not fly!

[@pravoslavn]

EXCELLENT REPORT ! Thank you. I was a High Church Anglican ("Episcopal" Church, as some call it) until that outfit blew itself up in the late 19809s. My family walked, as did manmy other families. We went different places... some to the Catholic Church, some to the Byzantine Catholic Church, my family and nine others made it to the Orthodox Church of America. Absolutely best decision I ever made. Staying in an outfit with which you disagree in principle, is very destructive. GET OUT, and let them figure out how to pay the bills after half the flock has gone... HA!

[@daviddrew3372]

And now can the Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Church of Christ, even be called legitimate inheritors of the Church as founded by Christ? That form of Christianity the Apostles died promoting?

[@hesedagape6122]

We have not forgotten Roman Catholic sex abuse scandals mind you!

[@marywinnamaya6466]

To be accurate, change date of Annual conference…was May, not March…

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

You’re right. Read my pinned comment and description - I made a big apology about that.

[@sheliautley7066]

I will stand for Jesus and His teachings. Homosexual and transgender and abortion is an abomination according to the word of God. They can try to take it out of some of it but it's embedded in our hearts and souls they'll never do it by even trying to change the word of God.

[@duranbailiff5337]

Bishop 'Karen' Bishop 'Sue'? Oh, the irony! 😂 The Devil is laughing over the insanity of the UMC. 😢 Heaven help us to restore order to Your churches. 🙏🏻

[@cjextreme]

The new official name is "The church of the son of the morning" We will know who follows Satan by not leaving it immediately!

[@kueagle1]

Conservatives and those who believe in the bible should just vote with their feet over to churches that actually believe in the bible.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

It may come to that, but I understand why they may not go immediately: they believe God has placed them as stewards over their property, and that simply handing it over without a clear instruction or sign would be a betrayal of the blessing that God gave them.

[@kueagle1]

@@ChurchHistoryStories I understand that point. It is a valid one under most circumstances. I think an argument could be made that the heresy displaced at the convention could be that very sign for a movement.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

@@kueagle1 Your not the first to wonder that. I know many churches are thinking that same thing. Others are saying God gave them two years of warning to get started on trying to get out. Ultimately, I think you'll see a huge mix of both, but finding the information may be difficult.

[@DC-ul7zb]

Another split. Big deal. Denominations are dying out. Anything not ordained by God will never work. Man invented denominations, and like everything that man touches, it will die.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

"Denominations are dying out" is something you'll come across in books in the 1800s. They have a longer shelf life than you might think.

[@jangardner9542]

You're exactly right.

[@P4hs]

Catholicism awaits. "Whoever does not gather with me scatters." (Matt. 12:30)

[@richardjames6613]

When churches go back to the mother, it will be a united institution that the antichrist could use in the future. That is what Protestants believe, since Spurgeon, Luther, Calvin and many others. The UMC will not be destroyed by not following the catholic church, but by forsaking Christ. The Catholic Church, spearheaded by the Pope is also leading its followers to cater to the LGBT community, it's just a matter of time the Catholic church will also accept this. I hope not, but a great dark cloud is showing.

[@ElwoodPDowd1970]

🙄 Bregolio and his cabal are probably applauding what the UMC is doing...and looking to it as an example to follow. Let's go put another Pachamama on the altar, shall we?

[@DV-mq5fv]

Bible based church needed.

[@elizabetha.9808]

Roman Catholicism is going in the same direction, and quickly. At least the UMC hasn’t had a massive, decades-long problem of pederasty.

[@MrWorf53]

Do the people that sit in the local pews know about this? It must be a amazing to know that you are so enlightened and correct in your beliefs that you can correct God.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Most do not know the details. News outlets have only reported the major change, but none of the surrounding controversy.

[@nightowl16201]

This hasn’t happened in the Wesleyan Church. Definitely not what you call the holiness movement anymore.

[@mrbill2600]

My question is: like every other Protestant Denomination going back to Martin Luther why not simply start another church. Oh, I forgot ... it's all about the money.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

I would agree, if it wasn't for the hundreds of thousands of dollars that small congregations have paid to leave. For those churches, it is not about the money at all.

[@maxellton]

Martin Luther did not intend to start another church.

[@mrbill2600]

@@maxellton You're right ... The thing is that's what Protestants eventually do.

[@gary3696]

So you're saying that the Southern Baptist Convention is not a "Main Stream" church?

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Not "mainstream." Mainline. And correct - they're classified as part of the Evangelical Protestant tradition. No one classifies them as Mainline. The American Baptist Church (ABC) is the Baptist mainline.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Also, I recommend this article from Al Mohler of the Southern Baptist Convention, who is the one who made the claim: albertmohler.com/2019/02/27/church-history-made-eyes-united-methodists-make-history-affirm-biblical-standards-sexuality/

[@russ254]

General Conference brings to mind what Obi Wan said while looking down on Mos Eisly. . . .

[@matthewsims9469]

Yes it does!

[@slhoffman]

Drama. This has been coming for decades. No big deal.

[@donnawilson4497]

The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is conservative.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

And hysterical - I think many of us have watched Lutheran Satire on KZbin. Hehe

[@joebollig2689]

I love Lutheran Satire.

[@christopherort2889]

The word "Progressive" is incorrect and let's not continue to use it. The proper word is "deviant". Let's use the proper words

[@michaelcase8574]

Maybe you should stop refering to this as conservative and progressive, and call it Methodist heresy and Methodist orthodoxy.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Which one is the heresy, because most would say it’s the conservative, and you flipped the terms respectively. :P

[@michaelcase8574]

@@ChurchHistoryStories take your choice.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

I should have flipped it and said “progressive.” That was a typo. I lean very traditional conservative, personally.

[@michaelcase8574]

@@ChurchHistoryStories Thanks for the clarification, my friend.

[@NanaBanana2011]

The Southern Baptist Convention is a mainline denomination and does not support this.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

They are considered part of the Evangelical Protestant - not mainline.

[@NanaBanana2011]

@@ChurchHistoryStories okay, I’ll stick with them either way.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

Not a bad idea. 😄

[@georgehumphries5323]

Yawn. Back in my youth in the ´50s and ´60s, there was a hullaballoo about the penetration of the KGB into the National Council of Churches. The United Methodist Church and the Episcopal Church were two that seemed to manifest "zig-zag parallelism" with the Soviet Union and Communist subversion in general. And then... the United Methodist Church changed its logo to what it is today, which instantly seemed to me to not be a cross and a stylized red flame, but a cross and a red flag, similar to that of the USSR and Red China. But since the rest of the decaying institutions in the US have gone woke, the United Methodist Church is merely trying to desperately keep its market share. Yet another indicator of the decomposition of "western" society.

[@teresaburton4145]

3:42 adultery and fornication

[@fredphilippi8388]

In my opinion and faith view, the UMC has been sensible, courageous even, in its 2024 General Conference.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

To say nothing about it being manipulative and dishonest.

[@janemcpherson2119]

Baptist still stand for the ways of the Bible. They are a separate demomination.

[@timmychem]

I really appreciate your well prepared videos on the topic. I would have found it much more objective had you not consistently reported in a manner that clearly shows your bias toward the traditionalist position. The matters at hand, as contentious as they are, involve at least two sides. There have been socio-political tactics used by both traditionalists and progressives. In fact, what you never report upon were the tactics used by traditionalists leading up to 2016 and then 2019 events (in either video). In fact, it wasn't until after the traditionalists' tactics, which proved effective, were noticed by the progressives did the progressives rally, organize, and then dutifully embark down the same road as did the traditionalists in the past. One might say, at this point, the traditionalists now taste their own medicine, and indeed, it is quite bitter. Alas, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion and persuasion; however it's disingenuous to position your good work as a fair and unbiased deconstruction of events.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

In all fairness to the point of the channel and the video, I never did claim to be unbiased. The title alone could have made that clear. This is not a news channel - it is a “history stories” channel. But, I do appreciate the critique. On that note, and something I mentioned to Rev. Livingston on my last video, should there be anyone who wants to provide the progressive narrative of the past 8 years, I would be happy to make that narrative, also.

[@timmychem]

Fair response, though, your narrative through the story states that you tried to present "the other side" but because bishops wouldn't return your emails, for example, is why you couldn't possibly. Your video exacerbates the division, which is a choice, as compared to more neutrally telling a complicated and painful story. There's not only NOW hurt, frustration, and feelings of being ignored or dismissed. Can you see the same, on the progressive side, going back to 1972? The events of the last 10 years didn't occur in a vacuum, and certainly resulted from prior trauma, which your sensationalist expose seems to either ignore, dismiss, or otherwise, conveniently exclude to make the situation seem so much more dramatic, sided, and tabloid worthy. Again, your review, history, presentation, and style were all very well done.

[@ChurchHistoryStories]

100% correct - the vacuum is not real. No history is 100% fact-based because all rhetoric, well-intentioned or not, is manipulation. But some of your complaint is geared at my channel not being comprehensive; a lot like a cooking channel not going into the history of cake baking when showing a recipe. Going back all the way to 1972 would be a much, much longer video, and also, not the intention for this one or my last one. I do want to go back that far, but not in a single video. Maybe next time, although my Methodist history palette is a little weak right now. Beth Stroud or Frank Schaeffer both seem like good places for the 2000s and 2010s, if I do, though. On the whole, there are some facts that happened. 1) the bishops are not acknowledging as valid the concerns of traditionalists, 2) American voting totals were likely legal, though highly, highly unethical, 3) the sweeping changes fly in the face of unity being called for. And I fully believe you that traditionalists have behaved in bad will in the past. The “Boyette Plan” and 2553 were good attempts at an olive branch - perhaps not enough, but genuine attempts. However, there is a basic rule we learn as kids: “He hit me first” is not a legitimate excuse. You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing to your enemy’s bad behavior. And I think we both believe the basic premise: the legacy is broken. If it can be repaired, which I would love to see despite having no scratch in this game, I cannot imagine how with the leadership acting the way they are.

[@timmychem]

Yes, I absolutely agree that the way this has played out is rather unfortunate. With an issue as divisive as LGBTQ inclusion, it is bound to happen. On the spectrum, you'll always have staunch positions on either side. Theologians on either side. Proof texters on either side. I don't know the church is at fault for not finding a unified common ground, as I'm not sure it's even feasible any person, group, body, conference, or otherwise could possibly have found a middle ground. Both sides, at one point or another, said if you don't like it, leave. On the issue, you have folks who simply won't budge from their position...so, they fight with fire. How does one fight back? With fire. Whether or not they cast the first punch is inconsequential. Both sides used exactly the same tactics, but at different times. This could have played out in exactly the same way, swapping sides. And then what? Would we feel the progressives were treated unfairly, unethically, or otherwise? Or, are we actually talking about deep-rooted homophobia here, in which case, the conservatives always win? I think it's the sensationalism of wrongdoing that's my issue. And not applying said wrongdoing to everyone. Because everyone in this situation has acted poorly, unethically, questionably, aggressively, and single mindedly at one point or another. This is a zero sum game...led by humans...and playing out one way, when the exact opposite in all regards was realistically possible. Like mathematics, order of operations matters.

[@gretasbabe]

If you all are gonna leave then do so.