Brompton vs Dahon Folding Bike - A New Comparison

BikeFolded revised the comparison between Brompton and Dahon folding bikes. Let's see which brand is better now.
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[@simonetter4413]

If you live in the UK you wait until something goes wrong with a Dahon or Tern - I've had both and there is basically one Bike Shop in the whole country that has anything like the spares you might need and if they don't stock them - you basically won't get hold of them. There have been changes and you can now substitute many components with standard ones but that doesn't apply to ; Wheels, spokes, some nuts and bolts. The other thing is that continued folding and movement of letting down the seat post will wear to a point that you have no alternative but replace the whole seat post - which is expensive and guess what, only the same shop sells the range you will need because even Dahon's and Tern's own range of cycles have different seat post diameters. The other thing after hard riding and commutes is that for all folding bikes the best option is a hub /enclosed gear system I have consistently had to replace drive chains regularly , this is partially because the gears are so low to the ground and pick up all the delightful crud on British roads and just because I feel that exposed derailleurs on small wheeled folding bikes just don't seem to last. I am about to buy a Brompton because a) they seem to work well b) there are literally thousands of bike shops that will repair and have parts and c) the Dahon type bikes suffer from one more issue that might not be apparent - an enormous ammount of pressure both from the rider and any luggage seems to be put on the back wheel and I have gone through so many wheels (including specially strengthened ones ) and spokes etc .The Brompton design has suspension and appears offset from the weight issue - we'll see! I may be going back to Dahon's who knows, what this space. Hope this is helpful - even the cheaper folders are expensive so it's only fair that people know what they are going to have to deal with. Happy Cycling to one and all!

[@subspaceanomaly]

i've found you can find all the dahon bits and pieces on ebay easily enough these days. And not at mad prices either. However all these folding bicycles feel overpriced.

[@Murhamdilah]

A very fair review. I am a brompton owner and previously dahon vybe and tern uno owner.

[@birdyse7en]

Nice comparison! Dahon K3 was my initially consideration for a folding bike.

[@zeniktorres4320]

The Dahon Mariner D8 is one excellent bike. Best bike I've ever owned, and in addition it gets alot more because it folds. All I had to buy is a Dahon Landing Gear so I can wheel around while folded, it just makes it easier for me.

[@gappyp3851]

just brought a dahon marina D8 2020. really impressed. economical, perfect size for me (wheels aren't too big but not as small as the bikes in your video), folds to fit under my desk and aluminium light enough to pick up with 1 hand :)

[@andythousand345]

I have to agree totally with your review even though I have nothing against Dahon. Dahon has proven that they are more than capable of building a high quality bicycle but I think they need more focus. Instead of trying to build a 16 inch folder which they apparently cannot compete when it comes to the Brompton they should instead focus on the what they are best at, building 20 inch folders. If they would stop trying to create different models every year and instead focused on improving the models they already have they'd be able to possibly provide the same quality and replacement parts that the Brompton has and even temp Brompton fans to purchase their bicycles. I'd even consider a 20 inch folder for longer rides.

[@FoldingBike]

Well said. Dahon and Brompton are the biggest folding bike manufacturers and you can't go wrong with either of them. Just avoid some cheap folders from China.

[@andythousand345]

BikeFolded which Dahon is your favorite?

[@FoldingBike]

I'm riding the Mariner D7 and Qix D8.

[@andythousand345]

BikeFolded which one is better in your opinion?

[@FoldingBike]

Qix D8 is my favorite.

[@bluepawn]

Do they exist with a very high end electrical technology ? (Not visible so battery in the frame) ?

[@danwithbigarms4275]

I believe bicycles are like donuts; the worst I ever had is still enjoyable. I have a Brompton H3L and a Dahon Vitesse 3-speed. The Brompton is far superior in design and build quality. There is no comparison. But if you want a folder and can't pay the Brompton price, Dahon is a good option.

[@eroinverzo1102]

Nice review out there. I both love the company. I have m6L & Qix D8

[@alpss411]

i have a dahon d3, I am now happy with that. I really envy on brompton nowadays. if i find any chance to buy, i will buy brompton.

[@Ivan-01]

I have a Dahon Jetstream P8 20" full suspension, 8 speed. Quality is very good and it has a sporty design. It's ok also for an off road use (a light off road). Anyway i would like to buy a Brompton too, cause I like the classic design as well

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Looking to Purchase a Lightweight folding bike or E-bIke with 16" or 20" wheels. Any recommendations?

[@aguszaenudin7493]

i have both, but now i prefer use Dahon K3 plus that i'm already up size the wheelset to 16+ (349) as big as my brompton wheelset :)

[@rhl2macwan]

That stem part @2:55 where can I buy that please

[@clee6746]

I do not have a Dahon or a Brompton, I have a cheap folding with reasonable quality at a much cheaper price and it's still useful and enjoyable.

[@amanieux]

i notice you don't have the fingers on the brakes ready to break on the brompton because they are vertical, vs horizontal on the dahon (with the fingers on the breaks ready to break instantly), isn't it a problem for emergency breaking ?

[@cpamiseso]

When you said 'taller' or 'average' height, how much for 'tall' and for 'average'?

[@irongoatrocky2343]

I just looked at a Dahon at a local store here in Thailand.....the top priced model the 'Boardwalk' @ >16,000THB the weld quality was SHYTE!...... I can say this because I am a retired Union Sheet Metal Worker that held many weld certifications through the years.....

[@himashimashissain8345]

How much wear can buy this

[@jlc7300]

I have a Kent magnesium frame 16 inch 6 speed available, what do you think about that brand?

[@SaveTheHedgehog]

0:50 what kind of system is that? I want to drive my Brompton in house

[@shlomiel7]

Dis you ever find an answer to this question?

[@alfnoakes392]

When I rode a Brompton I found that the frame flexed far more than I was used to ( I normally ride conventional diamond frame bikes and a Moulton). Do Dahon bikes also flex this way? Having read some of the other comments it appears they sometimes snap, which is a tad alarming.

[@TheK1steve]

I've got a Dahon Speed Pro TT, 27 gears, very light, paid £380 for it. I don't think any Brompton can challenge that.

[@puleang9122]

how much is t?

[@user-xu5eu8po7f]

I am 6.1 feet (186cm). My weight is about 90 kgs... Can I use the 16" bike? Or I should go for 20"? I will order online and don't have chance to try the bikes my self.. I am considering electrical folding bikes. Thank you in advance.

[@haneuldale4583]

Hi, I'm 5'8(173cm) and I have a 2016 Dahon jifo. It feels a bit small for me even though I'm only 5'8. I think Dahon QIX D9 would be good for you. Which has 20" wheels.

[@mujikrisnayudha8205]

boleh juga tu om dahonna yg 16 bisa pesan tksy

[@MsLaLa1404]

What country is this product made ?

[@toms9112]

What model Dahon did you show in the last bits of your video?

[@FoldingBike]

It's Dahon Qix D8

[@nicolaslemenuisier]

Thank you. After my Dahon I have a Strida. Do you know Strida ? I like it...

[@FoldingBike]

Yes, we tested some Strida bikes here, good bikes but they look really weird.

[@felroberto]

@@FoldingBike meaning?

[@myperspective5091]

My Dahon folding bike the D8 just snapped on me today right in the middle of an intersection on my way to work today. It snapped right behind the folding mechanism right above the crank. There was a bad weld on the bottom of the center tube where the small vertical angle tube meets the center tube. It looks like they might have a hard time welding in that small confined area. I had the bike for less than a year so I'm looking to get a replacement bike under the warranty. Wish me luck. Don't buy a Dahan D8, especially if you are an adult man who weighs 180 lb or more.

[@myperspective5091]

The bike also had major issues with derailing the chain on the front chain ring. Where the chain meets the top of the ring the angle is too steep. It is too low of an angle due to the back wheel being lower on the centerline then the crank is so every time you switch gears you run the risk of derailing your chain. You definitely cannot pedal while shifting even on flat ground. God forbid trying that on a hill in automatically derail. You have to stop peddling each time you want to switch a gear. You have to wait a second for the chain to settle, then you can start pedaling again.

[@mannycalavera2335]

You are not the first one with a similar complaint about Dahon bikes. Can't be a coincidence. My cousin also had a scary failure on a Dahon bike. He was not injured but he easily could have been.

[@cjewe1z]

Which 20" Dahon bicycles did you recommend at 2:55?

[@FoldingBike]

Vybe, Mariner, Qix D8

[@teaforthree1]

I’ve had both and there is NO comparison. The Brompton is wonderful, the Dahon a heavy clumsy thing that isn’t good to ride.

[@OneLessCar]

My sister has a Dahon, it sits and collects dust. My husband got a Brompton and he went from only riding for sport to hopping on his bike (in normal clothes even) to ride everywhere. I think that says it all.

[@harun5105]

Is this bike would be ok for 120kg man?

[@MauGino]

What Dahon is that at the 3 minute mark?

[@FoldingBike]

Dahon Qix D8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5C8q3eagLGtqJI

[@ArslanAndArslan]

Bikefold starts the video by saying I prefer dahon and then rates Brompton higher then every dahon he compares with 🤷🏻 WTH

[@sapphiretownhouse3470]

nice review

[@monchichisekiguchi6477]

what a reasonable priced bike . dont want too low quality but decent priced and decent quality brompton is way too expensive. i look to spend under 800

[@foamyes]

Brompton is for uk, Dahon is for Canada or US

[@dworkeen]

I have a tern and it's, you know, kind of okay - nothing dreafully wong but nothing remarkable - except..that its exceptionally easy to add electric.

[@Moonrakerd]

I just bought a used dahon vitesse with sram 3 gear hub, and the gearing seems slow, the bike goes great, just I feel like Im always running out of gearing

[@FactsMattersUSA]

I’ve had both. I personally favor the dahon due to its smooth ride. It’s just not as fast

[@robertp9370]

Hey Antonio I am trying to bring one of these Dagon bikes with me on my adventure motorcycles.. I’d like a smooth ride so which bike to you recommend? Let me know ! I need a good value! Nothing over 20” tires

[@justgivemethetruth]

@@robertp9370 On the Dahon website all the bikes under $750 are sold out. Wonder why? That is absurd to pay that much for a foldable bike. I have an older model Dahon I think D5 that I used to ride for 19 miles a day and I never had a problem with it. Amazon has new non-name foldable bikes of what look to be the same design for less than $300. These two companies are now on my shit-list because they use every trick in the dirty-dealing book to try to get people to hike the prices up. Like offering the nice bright colors for hundreds more than drab black, white, grey or green. I have no used for companies that have such bad intentions.

[@robertp9370]

justgivemethetruth I agree. I bought a euromini zizzo

[@justgivemethetruth]

@@robertp9370 Those look nice and they are for sale on Amazon. But the only questions I have on these bikes is that I have to raise the seat post up so high that only about 2-3 inches are secured in the frame ... so I sorry about that, and the ability to find a large size post if the original will not be long enough. Then also the riding position is good for me on the Dahon. But as far as durability I know these bikes work, and they are fine and strong enough, even with the hinge in the frame. Do you mind me asking how much you paid for your euromini zizzo and if you got it online? Sounds good. Me and my girlfriend both want to get new bikes or the same brand.

[@robertp9370]

justgivemethetruth I bought the zizzo liberte, Costco sells them for 359 and they are rust resistant 8 speeds and only 23lbs.

[@thequake180]

I wonder why Brompton doesn't make a 20 inch model.

[@neverends89]

probably because they need to redesign the whole folding mech since the wheel is bigger.

[@mardiffv.8775]

The Brompton bike would be too big. Now Brompton is one of the smallest folding bikes on the market.

[@TemplarLove]

Because Brompton has perfected the folding bike

[@kf6754]

My Dahon Boardwalk cracked when I took it down a flight of stairs last week. It's unusable now and the warranty won't cover the damage. I only weigh 185 and the thing used to feel like it was gonna break when I did jumps and wheelies. I'll be getting a Brompton next time.

[@alfnoakes392]

A single-frame-tube folding bike, especially the cheapest Dahon available, will not be able to take the stress of performing BMX type stunts. This includes the Brompton (which though wonderfully engineered does 'flex' much more than a traditional bike). And at 84kg you are quite a big person and will thus be putting a lot of stress through the bike frame. I would recommend a bike with a more traditional diamond-frame or at least more robust frame , there are some good folding ones out there, not as light and compact as the Dahon 'minimalist' ones, but much more durable and able to give you the fun-style ride you are looking for. Happy riding.

[@RH-vd3yu]

Its your fault your Boardwalk cracked lol

[@TUPIKLETAS]

we're using dahon

[@johnathanball3344]

How are duhon they’re good at coping? That’s a great brand?

[@aurematic]

Best folding bike= Btwin Tilt 500. Just £260 - 250euros for a perfect bike. I got one in London. I will get another one in Canary Islands, where I am from.

[@ahkl77]

Brompton bikes also command social clout. Just compare the presence on Instagram and facebook vs other folding bike brands

[@Darwinion]

What a load of bollox! Social clout my arse.

[@MarkLasater]

Do people really buy Dahon's because they fold? I see them everywhere in China, even have a friend who has one. He has one not so much because it folds but because it is a really small bike. It rolls into and out of elevators with no problem and can navigate tight spaces, easy. He doesn't fold it when he parks it in his apartment, but it still takes up much less room than either of my bikes with their full size frames and 700c wheels. I've kind of wondered why Dahon doesn't make a tiny, non-folding bike without the hinge. Could be made much lighter if they didn't cut the frame.

[@bklisboa]

velibike.com ;)

[@MindandSoulTherapy]

nice

[@embargohunters]

I have 1 Dahon ion Madison in Makassar, Indonesia

[@yayasix66]

How do you like it so far?

[@waltersilvadefariassilva514]

😢meu sonho ter uma

[@MrMusic55123]

I'm hesitating between Engwe 750W and Freego 1000 which are the same price, what do you recommend? Link for Freego 1000W on Amazon: amzn.to/3EMaxGj Link for ENGWE 750W on Amazon: amzn.to/34i13X1

[@swchang8660]

Cost more because of the cost of living difference esp labour cost

[@liancs1970]

I own the birdy bike and the Brompton bike. birdy is still my preferred choice.

[@raymondwong2521]

HELIX Folding Titanium Bikes -- with 24 inch standard wheels n tires and folded in extremely compact style for a 24 wheeler is coming ...... Check it out !!! I have an order with the company, they are ramping up production as of now, so it is real !!!!!

[@caroad2008]

There is no comparison. What bike can fit inside the frunk of my Porsche Cayman?

[@SM-dt1pr]

I have an MX5, and I think we have the same answer.

[@mdmacapagal14]

i pick dahon

[@francisjoseph4959]

Dahon means leaf in cebuano. 😂 just sharing

[@LOL-sn1nm]

Francisse Elegino tagalog yun

[@gemasuryahendrawan6207]

In indonesian dahon meaning daun (leaf,) too

[@user-hq3ow6yz9u]

看到布來登的線,亂成這樣,很沒價值感

[@celestewilkins2886]

Oui Oui!

[@stitchergary]

I bought a Dahon Speed 7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have never taken it out of the sealed up box...

[@Jaeoh.woof765]

Then that's your problem not the bike 😂

[@stitchergary]

@@Jaeoh.woof765 ?? Did I say there was a problem with the bike?? Apparently not because the one still in the box is my second Dahon Speed 7... They had a sale and it was about $150 less then the first one so wanted a spare..They are a great bike for the price...

[@SusiAlbertosCasajus]

Tengo gran simpatia por las bicis en general. Me gustan porque es un medio perfecto para desplazarse sano y discreto pero de que no llegue a todo el mundo bicicletas como esta o como tantas otras ya no me gusta me gusta reflexionar sobre porque no me puedo comprar si no llego o porque no llegamos no tengo ❤❤ millones para gastarme lo tampoco exageremos dejé mensajes aqui y allá pero lo importante es mi actual posicion sobre esta marca de bicicleta es deseable para todos los publicos sexo raza no hay condicion ni medida para ello que lleguemos si vale la pena o cuesta tanto dinero porque no pagar un poco menos no importa. No es una critica no es una palabras y palabras digo sinceramenta y honestamente un despilfarro derroche de palabras es lo que realmente importa que cambien que revierten esta situación lo antes posible igual hay una mejoria o igual no que como los bares una tienda de bicis en cada km por cada pueblo ciudad en España insisto no es una critica o algo asi porque si hay muchas bicis buenas venden las mismas habilidades categorias preferencias en cada sitio desde aquella tienda de bicis debe haber consenso y persar que la gente no nos podemos gastar 1000 € o más en una bici que se ha de pagar a plazos... Me indigna esto y que los materiales de algunas bicicletas no son muy rentables que digamos para el buen funcionamiento de la bici bueno eso lo dejo para los mejores expertos en la materia. Y para nosotros mismos y somos y estamos. Hablen los responsables haber si hacen un poquito mejor las bicicletas que ya está bien de usarlas y irse cada dos por tres al garage o taller mecánico. A mi me ocurrio que vine y ya no me dijeron nada más me dejaron por pesada, que se yo. En fin es la vida. No?.😮😊😊🚲🚲 Por amor a las bicis y es deporte sano del todo Gracias por escuchar si es así a esforzarnos todos por hacer esto posible.

[@familyaccount6491]

B'twin fold 500 -> 300€

[@bilalgladiar6792]

Cc

[@Ivan-01]

😂 not the same thing

[@theunholysoul]

I would rather save my money and buy a Brompton. Bang for the buck Brompton is better than Dahon.

[@pfandfreak8270]

Dahon simply is the Folding Bike.

[@Meandsushiroll]

Lololol Dahon jifo "is too short and small for tall riders" yeah most people aren't tall

[@richmck007]

Most people would buy a Brompton if they had the money. The Dahon is only cheaper. But once you try a Brompton, you will see the difference. After all is said and done, Brompton made in England is the choice for most people who can afford it. If you cannot afford a Brompton, then a Dahon is your next ideal choice unless you want a Tern... After using mines for a few years, I have not had to repair it. And I have tested various Dahons. They still have not arrived to Brompton's style, social awareness or build quality... Now check out the competition, like Tern.

[@KandiKlover]

Brompton is overhyped fad for autistic cycling forum losers who spend more time chatting about riding than actually riding.

[@effyleven]

The man in the video has the saddle(s) SET MUCH TOO LOW. That's what made the bikes uncomfortable.

[@timorez]

Your joking right? Brompton are known for having the cheapest parts and most Brompton owners spend a fortune on getting rid of most of the stock parts for upgraded bits. Dahon has standard parts so is way easier to upgrade and then there’s the wheel size - 16” is a bone shaker. I just got a vello bike which is like a Brompton that’s evolved into what it should be,the folds much easier and parts are standard,20” wheels & price wise better value all round. The only thing that’s appealing about Brompton is it’s folded size but it’s hopeless next to any quality tern or Dahon or 20” folder,check the vello bike or Ahooga both are much better than our old Brompton,they could AMG it for the 21st century and bring out a 20” big bro

[@KandiKlover]

Brompton is overhyped fad for autistic cycling forum losers who spend more time chatting about riding than actually riding.

[@smitbar11]

@hicky They have obviously never owned or ridden a Brompton

[@siaksut]

ganda.. pero mahal😂

[@claudiovera2204]

I prefer the Bus Better

[@user-rt2kx3vv7j]

أنفس بيسكلي بي أكبر بايسكلي

[@user-go4io4gg7p]

تبعة

[@musico2222]

so quasi eguali

[@PinoyMukbangPro]

If can't afford a Brompton, get a Brongtong!

[@laocheebye]

People who owns a brompton talks about riding the bike more than they actually ride it.

[@ameth534]

I have a brompton I think brompton best

[@minteekang9549]

please you can try :www.comeplaybike.com-our titanium brompton

[@smitbar11]

@@minteekang9549 Looks promising

[@pikkumunki5491]

Is Dahon made in China?

[@grahammcdonald]

The quality of Dahon is awful. Avoid. And if you're in the U.K., there's only one place you can get parts. I'm not mentioning them, but when I bought a Dahon spare from them, it'd instantly broke. Brompton has parts and upgrades everywhere. It really is a no brainier.

[@FoldingBike]

Awful? What was your Dahon?

[@grahammcdonald]

BikeFolded Dahon’s D7 Vitesse. Weak everything.

[@Darwinion]

If I pay Brompton money I don't expect to be needing many parts!

[@hanshw]

My Dahon Vitesse D7 that I bought in 2013 is still intact, it gave me no problems.

[@yell50]

Brampton is king, there is no competition here

[@marqueswilsonn]

Always stealing other people’s r&d

[@user-ne9kh6ch7i]

なんか乗り方が変？

[@reablack152]

Nobody speaks about TERN?!

[@evanstonbalce9588]

Fun fact, the founder of Tern is the son of the Dahon’s founder

[@altekindonesia5092]

Kabel rem dahon norak kayak tali jemuran aja...

[@jonathanwong880]

Brompton ... hype and over priced. Built quality went down in recent years , just look at the welding and joints, all done by apprentice (or worse). Very few mechanics know how to service the complex Sturmey Archer hub properly, so 90% of the B all have a hub full of gunk. The wheels are assembled from low quality BMX type hubs and spoke; rough and a joke. The recent batches of B all have rust problems, and paint chip off easily. The choice is yours.

[@CosgroveNotts]

They look like very uncomfortably death traps

[@mardiffv.8775]

Folding bikes can not compeed with normal bikes, but they do not have. A folding bike is used to the train station/ bus stop/ streetcar stop. The bike gets folded and the rider takes the bike into the public transport. And after leaving the PT, the rider only has to ride a short distance, just a few miles. The only comfortable folding bike for the long distance is the HP Velotechnik Gekko 20 or 26 fx trike www.hpvelotechnik.com/produkte/gekko_fx26/index_e.html

[@jamma246]

_"They look like very uncomfortably death traps"_ Then I'd recommend you try to cultivate some logic and common sense.

[@evanstonbalce9588]

@@mardiffv.8775 Depending on the rider, folding bikes can ridden on long distances which I do with my folding bike

[@Inaflap]

One is made in England, the other is made in China.

[@adeh503]

Absolutely 👍🏻 say no more

[@alkaholic4848]

Why do people keep saying this as if it's a good thing? If this was 1850 then yeah England was at the forefront of the industrialised world, but it's time to accept times have changed. China is the new industrial powerhouse of the world, there was a time only cheap stuff was made there, but now it's pretty much everything. China has developed so much that their own wages are rising so they outsource some labour to Africa! Look at Raleigh - UK company, they used to be a huge player in the bike world, whereas now they're just hanging on. Look at British cars - they died out because they were were atrocious and completely outclassed by foreign competition. England is uncompetitive in pricing. So it's perfectly feasible you can get a better quality bike for cheaper, that's made abroad. Maybe the Brompton's the exception I've never ridden one, but using the "made in England" thing is actually an argument against a product if anything - that you're paying over the odds unnecessarily. Of course there's the whole "support british industry" side of it, but that's a seperate issue altogether. You can't use it as an indication of quality.

[@iloveisrael2943]

just like the range rover made in england a pieace of shit

[@haydeetan5951]

Bolong

[@smitbar11]

Dahon looks like a Chinese knock-off of the Bromptons to me

[@kjm-ch7jc]

Why do Chinese copy others.

[@dworkeen]

Good God, have you never consideredbjective research when checking out a bike. Your 'Opinion' - exciting as it may be to you - is fundamentally bereft of reason, logic or art. : 3 out of 10

[@justgivemethetruth]

These "high-end" bikes are a rip-off. There is no reason a Brompton or Dahon has to be over $1000, just Google Brompton bike and you will see the tiniest of bikes costing almost $1500. That is ridiculous, it should be a crime. They justify the price by saying the frames need to be so much smaller for a foldable bike, but my old Dahon D3 has never failed, it doesn't vibrate or shake. And it was still too expensive. Now they have a lot of new foldable bike companies that are making the same bikes for under $300 ... so I guess Dahon's only choice is to try to sell itself as a luxury brand and charge as much as Brompton. I think also Dahon has more models than Brompton, but when you get to the over $1000 for a commuter bike you are paying for a status symbol. I think it is more of a stupid signal.

[@gentlemanschoice5762]

Dahon is the best..!

[@claydogmadman7843]

The Bromton is so out dated...

[@faraon1994]

I've been riding this bike for about a month kzbin.infoUgkxwC0IIeIomGQVeBWg-kKJaToZkLEFIA2W and a half now and I think it's fantastic. It helps me get to work on time every day since I'm able to fit it inside of public transportation rush hour. The price is great too, people are always shocked when they ask me how much I paid for the fold up and I tell them "200". It's easy to fold and installation when it ships is insanely easy. All you have to install when the bike arrives is one foot pedal, everything else is done for you. I do recommend you carry some sort of wrench to tighten any loose screws on the handle bar and seat whenever they get a little bit loose. Other than that I think it's a fantastic bike. Easily fits in the home, can fit inside a car trunk and can even fit in subway rush hour.