I used to ride the NX with my Father when I was a kid. It was an extremely fast express train and it got you to where you were going in no time. They never should have discontinued this line. I really miss riding this train.
@Urban_Man5 ай бұрын
I think would maybe work as a Summer to the Beach Express, but not as a rush hour service.
@stevenkalka10645 ай бұрын
For decades there was a Sunny Summer Sunday special that ran between Chambers St. and Franklin Av - Fulton Av via using the Fourth Ave. , Sea Beach, and Brighton Express tracks. It was discontinued during the 50s because low ridership.
@djr.bklyn.ny.5 ай бұрын
Hold up, so it ran via the J/Z in Manhattan, N in Brooklyn, Q in Brooklyn, and Franklin Ave Shuttle?!
@qjtvaddict4 ай бұрын
@@djr.bklyn.ny.yup
@qjtvaddict4 ай бұрын
It would work better if you deinterline manhattan bridge and have one 4th ave local go to CI via west end now you must use one of the extra services to be a super express
@8avexp4 ай бұрын
@@qjtvaddict From Chambers St. via the south side tracks of the Manhattan Bridge, that is.
@BMTEnjoyer1605 ай бұрын
Basically The N Via Sea Beach Express And Went To Brighton Going Thru Coney Island. It entered service on November 27th 1967 and was discontinued due to low ridership on April 12th 1968 only a few months after its debut.
@WebSoak5 ай бұрын
Thanks for spoiling the entire video
@richiegarcia28195 ай бұрын
Thanks for the TLDR!
@5toNewLots5 ай бұрын
@@WebSoakis it really spoiling?
@BMTEnjoyer1605 ай бұрын
@@WebSoak I was just giving a quick explanation :/
@BMTEnjoyer1605 ай бұрын
@@richiegarcia2819what is that sarcasm
@saulschlapik68185 ай бұрын
I rode the NX once, I was 10 at the time. It had a round NX logo metal disc on the front. As far as I know, it was the only train to run through Stillwell Ave. instead of terminating. Interestingly, it wasn't listed on the "New Subway Routes" map issued at the time. Several years ago, I got to ride the Sea Beach Express track when the D train was rerouted. Another short lived train introduced at the same time was the RJ. It ran rush hours only from 168 St. Jamaica to 95 St. Bay Ridge. After it was discontinued, a few RR trains ran to Chambers St. during rush hour.
@8avexp5 ай бұрын
In those days, the Sea Beach express tracks were not signaled. Consequently NX trains had to travel in an absolute block along the Sea Beach portion. Only one train could be at any point along that stretch at any given time. There were frequent delays at Brighton Beach, which was mentioned. I remember that service pattern, but never had a chance to ride on an NX.
@qjtvaddict4 ай бұрын
No wonder it failed
@peppertree57065 ай бұрын
Took the NX in the PM rush as a "joy ride" about five times. Loved the ride down the express tracks. My usual stop was Sheepshead Bay, therefore I was one stop away when I got off at Brighton Beach. I heard that Fred Trump had influence in getting that subway line to be considered because he owned many apartment buildings in Coney Island close to the West 8th Street station. Would like to know more about the Trump connection to the inception of the NX. I remember R-27 subway cars then later R-32 cars were used on the NX.
@hopeeisman8115 ай бұрын
You have a fabulous voice and your knowledge is exceptional.
@MysticTransit5 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@michaelscott77065 ай бұрын
The NX might be beneficial on Weekends now.
@michaelmorales14755 ай бұрын
Asmr Mystic Transit.
@josiahdillard74285 ай бұрын
I rode the Q train on a weekend where it ran express from 59 to Coney Island then from Coney Island to 36 street via the N and D express it was so fast
@jeremyjean54215 ай бұрын
I was wondering what the NX service was for awhile now lol so thanks for sharing this. Also I agree with you, it’s better that we don’t have that line
@JoseNunez-hh1yr5 ай бұрын
That map! That's the one I want! Not as common as the others. Old Timers told me that right off the bat, the NX logistics were bad. The T/D either emptied the layup tracks behind Brighton Beach to accommodate the arriving Q layups, or hastily changed side signs on a thru train. Plus, the race between an NX and any Brighton express to DeKalb Av. was no contest. Worse, only Track #1 at Coney Island was the connection to Brighton. Any occupation (work trains, etc) caused a lot of trips abandoned
@ianrotheroe25405 ай бұрын
Damn I wish the NX could be annexed back into the system
@langleywallingford260Ай бұрын
I get the pun... (NX/annexed)... 😏
@ianrotheroe2540Ай бұрын
@@langleywallingford260 😎😉
@NYLifeInNJ5 ай бұрын
If they somehow retrofitted platforms onto 8th Abe, New Utrecht Ave (might be logistically unfeasable from station design) and Bay Pkwy, I think it could work pretty well with peak express due to the heavier usages of those stations. It baffles me as to why express stops were never designed for the Sea Beach Line.
@qjtvaddict4 ай бұрын
It can be done at new Utrecht and kings hwy
@williamerazo39215 ай бұрын
Why notifications didn’t show this? Papa you doing good with this content
@CanalConcourse11965 ай бұрын
Just like the NX we should add some express service for the N express during peak hours with them running 8-10 trains per hour
@jr.gaming22055 ай бұрын
And rebuild the other track on Sea Beach
@JakeGaming26345 ай бұрын
I think 2-4 trains fit.
@peppertree57065 ай бұрын
A few stations must be converted to express stops. New Utrecht, Kings Highway and Bay Parkway.
@JakeGaming26345 ай бұрын
@@peppertree5706 Not even sure because it’s gonna have lots of work tho..
@CraigFThompson5 ай бұрын
@@JakeGaming2634Since when did "lots of work" stop development of the subway system?!
@Interstella-ni3vh5 ай бұрын
The biggest issue with NX is the interlining/bottlenecking that feeds into 4th Ave capacity and lack of ANY express stops. I would love to see a feasibility study if express stations were built on New Ucht. Av. and Kings Hwy and the W (N local) was added on the R line and NX stays on the N line, essentially de-interlining both lines and providing frequent local & express service without capacity interruption.
@Buc_Stops_Here5 ай бұрын
The one subway today that does not go through Manhattan, the G line, has changed over the years due to work on the line (even happening now) and the usage it gets. It gets lengthened, shortened, but keeps running to this very day. Now it is getting new signals so they can track the trains more closely starting this summer.
@Big_O_12135 ай бұрын
In order for the NX to sort of stay in existence, the sea beach portion of the N needed to have been built with express stops in mind, much like what the 7 train line is capable of doing. Otherwise, it'll continue to get low ridership unless the MTA wants to deal with another layered hassle of N trains moving in and out of the local tracks.
@ИльяМилягин5 ай бұрын
Awesome video! By the way, where did you find that map with NX route? I've been searching for this route's scheme for about a year...
@amazing500005 ай бұрын
I read somewhere online that the NX was created for people that was living in the newly built housing projects in Coney Island but it did not work (low ridership).
@peppertree57065 ай бұрын
That was influenced by Fred Trump.
@amazing500005 ай бұрын
@@peppertree5706 Thanks for the info about Donald Trump's dad who I did not know had something to do with what is Trump Village in Coney Island and the NX line. Thanks again
@peppertree57065 ай бұрын
@@amazing50000 Fred Trump had friends at City Hall. That likely explains why his building were permitted to be higher than seven floor. Most are over 20 floors.
@jameskeenan60305 ай бұрын
@MysticTransit, during the existence of the NX, what was the rush hour service pattern for the Brighton line between Brighton Beach and Coney Island? My recollection is that from at least 1969 (but perhaps earlier) the D-train *during rush hours* ran on the express tracks to Brighton Beach while the QB and QJ ran on the local tracks through to Coney Island. The QB was a rush-hour-only service. During non-rush-hours, the D ran express to Brighton; the QJ ran local to Stillwell. Nights and weekends: D local to Stillwell. Was the pattern I just described implemented when they killed the NX in April '68?
@MysticTransit5 ай бұрын
Seems like the case if this subway map is anything to go by: www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?/img/maps/calcagno-1969-system.gif
@8avexp4 ай бұрын
From Nov. 26, 1967 to August 16, 1968, D trains operated to Coney Island at all times while the QB and QJ terminated ar Brighton Beach. This caused frequent delays because trains had to switch tracks before Brighton Beach. On August 19, 1968, D trains began terminating at Brighton Beach when they ran express in Brooklyn, and QB and QJ trains ran all the way to Coney Island.
@randolphtwells13605 ай бұрын
2:15; I paused this clip, and what I did see was that the "NX" train acted like the Q train from going Brighton Beach to Coney Island, and it also acted like the "N" or "Q" train going express after Canal Street until it reaches to 57th. Street Midtown.
@davidgordon8415 ай бұрын
I rode the NX both AM and PM from West8th St. to Canal St. I thought the NX was a great idea. The first day of service there were only a few seats available at W 8th St. After an about a week, the train arrived quite empty but it gave Bay Ridge riders transferring at 59th St. a chance to get a seat on an express train to Manhattan. Perhaps, if the NX could have stopped at Kings Highway or Bay Parkway, it would have been much more utilized and remained in service.
@CraigFThompson5 ай бұрын
I mentioned New Utrecht Avenue station as a possible conversion to express service....
@langstonreese70775 ай бұрын
Ima upload the NX train announcements soon. It’s a pretty weird line
@BMTEnjoyer1605 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Reformperson5 ай бұрын
The Improvements I would have loved to see with the N would have been an extension to Ocean Pkwy keeping the Local service on Sea Beach. This would keep the resemblance of the NX Line but this time making the local stops to Ocean Pkwy to avoid interference with the trains terminating at Brighton Beach. The Express NX service should be a summer only service however just like the seasonal extension that the Rockaway Shuttle gets.
@djr.bklyn.ny.5 ай бұрын
That’s a good idea because Ocean Parkway has underutilized middle tracks and the middle tracks between Ocean Parkway and Brighton Beach are used as storage for oos B trains anyways so they can’t be used
@CraigFThompson5 ай бұрын
A total reconstruction of the New Utrecht Avenue station would be in short order; it needs to be converted into an express station. This would justify the return of express service on the Sea Beach Line by allowing a transfer to the West End Line.
@Dragblacker5 ай бұрын
@@CraigFThompson I think when they do use the express tracks down Sea Beach, they're only using the "Manhattan-bound" express track. Thus if you have New Utrecht an express stop, you could simply build a platform over the Coney Island-bound express track, thus making the station resemble Willets Pt on the 7.
@qjtvaddict4 ай бұрын
@@djr.bklyn.ny.they can be used for both services
@collinparsons33635 ай бұрын
I think it would be cool to do a comparison between all 4 lines serving Coney Island. All 4 of them stop at 34th Street Herald Square. In terms of the number of stops between there and Coney Island, the N has the fewest with 16 (20 on weekends), then the D with 18, followed by the Q with 22, and finally the F with 29.
@FlowieNYCT5 ай бұрын
If the NX still lasted till the summer, it would've been a strange service for those wanting to go to the beach if the NX was heading to Manhattan during the morning rush hours.
@leecornwell56325 ай бұрын
They should definitely add the NX on the R68S R68AS. Last couple of months ago they had the R62AS JFk signs Pelham 6 line Top of that they had the powder blue 🔵 6 just like the T JFK 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line powder blue 🔵 I'm telling you.
@DennisLora20015 ай бұрын
I never took a ride on that subway line before
@Newflyir5 ай бұрын
That's because it got eliminated in the 1960s.
@DennisLora20015 ай бұрын
@@Newflyir Oh I see that's sad plus I wasn't born in the 60s
@captainjake74175 ай бұрын
@@DennisLora2001 did you even watch the video before commenting?
@DennisLora20015 ай бұрын
@@captainjake7417 I just rewatch it
@quinlanwconley40105 ай бұрын
I agree the NX is pointless we already had the 9 discontinued and the Z isn’t real popular I don’t think they need these kinda rush hour only lines
@JSythe5 ай бұрын
3:12 "Mownths"
@ccityplanner12173 ай бұрын
Have an ‹N› service running at weekends in summer that operates as an extension of the B from Brighton Beach to Ocean Pkwy (where it would wait for several minutes to ensure punctuality), Aquarium, Coney Island, Kings Hwy, 59th St, Sunset Park, Pacific St, Union Sq, Herald Sq, Times Sq, Carnegie Hall, 5th Av, 59th St - Lexington Av, Queensboro Plaza, Astoria Blvd and Astoria Ditmars Blvd.
@RealABGamerBoy5 ай бұрын
Its an interesting line despite it only running s few months
@daye921526 күн бұрын
I really want to ride it but i had no chance I wasn't born in that time
@SirKenchalot5 ай бұрын
"Idiotic service patterns". A bit harsh but funny.
@qjtvaddict4 ай бұрын
Like the current N in Manhattan
@Noob_YT69695 ай бұрын
Yoo Bay Pkwy I was on it a few days ago, i could take it whenever i want.
@skydiamond87055 ай бұрын
Than after this MTA ran Æ line but discontinued it because people did not know how to say the lines name being a Manhattan express only in Manhattan on the eighth Avenue line from WTC up to I think 125th St. and meeting the same fate as the NX service
@xmega95265 ай бұрын
I still wonder why the Sea Beach branch has 4 tracks when the manhattan bound express track is filled with litter, construction equipment and sometimes the rail just cuts off at different spots
@peppertree57065 ай бұрын
The express tracks were meant to be a quick ride to the beach. The mistake was not having any express stops along the Sea Beach line.
@CraigFThompson5 ай бұрын
Whatever tracks exist now earn their keep by being used as test tracks for new equipment, and for training new motormen.
@marcitos_93295 ай бұрын
A Special Express should run Memorial Day, Fourth of July, and Labor Day on the Brighton every 20 minutes. Maybe run B trains as far as 145 St or Special Q (or ) trains.
@CraigFThompson5 ай бұрын
Using museum equipment t'boot!
@pjinnj355 ай бұрын
I think it should run during summertime on weekend. Q train did this one way during the go and it was vaersine
@TheRailLeaguer4 ай бұрын
That would be detrimental to other riders on the Sea Beach Line when Coney Island customers have other faster alternatives.
@songyan66625 ай бұрын
cool.
@pjinnj35Ай бұрын
They should try it summer time weekend
@BigPops7575 ай бұрын
Not finna lie it’d be nice to see this service pattern
@danielwrynn47075 ай бұрын
I wish I could have ridden the NX train, just for the fun of it. Oh well.
@darklegend60215 ай бұрын
they really need to utilize the sea beach line exp tracks. They have just been abondoned and isnt going into good use
@TheRailLeaguer5 ай бұрын
It is not warranted, given the lack of any express stations and whatnot. Also just because something is abandoned or no in regular use doesn’t mean that it has to be put in regular use.
@CraigFThompson5 ай бұрын
@@TheRailLeaguerThose tracks aren't totally abandoned; they're used as test tracks for new equipment, and for instructing new train operators in handling whatever equipment they might be assigned to.... But YES, those tracks would be great in regular passenger service; all that needs doing is rebuilding the New Utrecht Avenue station as an express stop to allow transfers to the West End Line.
@TheRailLeaguer5 ай бұрын
@@CraigFThompson Maybe but then you run into the problem into frequency of both lines. Even if both express tracks were rebuilt and the New Utrecht Avenue station were rebuilt to an express station (which is next to impossible), given the mac frequency of the N route 8 trains er hour, that would result in inadequate frequencies for both services. Even with deinterlining with N service operating 15, it’s still pretty bad. You need to not put too much emphasis on quantity over QUALITY.
@Newflyir5 ай бұрын
Tbh in my opinion the NX wasnt a bad idea it just had bad execution. If it had some in between stops at Frequently used stations it might have lasted untill the 70s.
@HalloweenHalloween-sc4jo5 ай бұрын
Honestly they should bring it back, albeit under a different name or something, and not make it peak direction (because there’s 2 express tracks available, not one). It runs express straight from 59th street to Coney Island. That’s more stations bypassed (9) in an express journey than anywhere else in the entire subway, excluding the SIR.
@TheRailLeaguer4 ай бұрын
That would result in lower ridership since it would bypass every station on the line, doing nothing to speed up service on the Sea Beach Line. And even then given the frequency on the N route, you're just going to make Sea Beach commutes longer due to less frequent service. If anything, the track configuration on the Brighton Line should be changed to allow express trains to operate to Coney Island and local trains to terminate at Brighton Beach, speeding up trips between Coney Island and Downtown Brooklyn.
@Nderak3 ай бұрын
why was it rush hour only
@alexharris24955 ай бұрын
So basically today's select (N) trips to 96 street
@BienSwinginbase5 ай бұрын
WTH was a NX? sounds kinda bueno bossman
@Dragblacker5 ай бұрын
I'm not against having a Sea Beach Express in general. Just use the diamond N for rush hours, express to Manhattan AM hours, express to Coney Island PM hours. Likewise, restore the Astoria Express permanently for rush hours.
@Aaronhchisholm25 ай бұрын
My experience is N Xpress train
@BigBoy_Thegamer5 ай бұрын
Its the N but longer and faster 😅
@boguette_5 ай бұрын
the NX was a really sort of useless line to begin with, as since Sea Beach Exp tracks skip a lot of residential areas. It just ran with the N, so why make it a different color? (thanks 2nd ave for taking it) Also the TA Guide which you showed in this video had the most random colors and letter assignments known to mankind like GREEN C AND GREEN R WEREN'T EVEN CONNECTED EXCEPT AT ONE STOP? There had to be reason why the colors were marked that way, but that's all that I have to say.
@peppertree57065 ай бұрын
As far as I know, the original colors were used to distinguish different lines on the subway map.
@odemata875 ай бұрын
Area in Brooklyn it passed through is very car dependant. I doubt their study to that into account as these people's actual commuting patterns outside of actual extending an line further elsewhere or building a actual line reflective of these patterns. The IBX will be just as underutilized for the same giving reasons.
@TheRailLeaguer5 ай бұрын
What you’re saying isn’t 100% true, and you seriously need to stop having something against the mere concept of IBX. It will be very heavily utilized since it is a line reflective of actual commuting patterns, though many would’ve loved for it to be heavy rail
@step_losev5 ай бұрын
frst
@gtavstepfordcounty17335 ай бұрын
Nope
@Flash_Warn1ng5 ай бұрын
Useless service
@bennythepenny58315 ай бұрын
These should be the {NX} route stations via Central Avenue local, Rockaway Beach express, Breezy Point Bridge, Coney Island local, Sea Beach express, 4th Avenue express, Manhattan Bridge, Broadway local, & Morningside Avenue express: Ⓜ️ North Riverdale-263rd Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 259th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 252nd Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 246th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 235th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 215th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 168th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 125th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 57th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 49th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Times Square-42nd Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 34th Street-Herald Square {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 28th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 23rd Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 18th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 14th Street-Union Square {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 8th Street-New York University {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Prince Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Canal Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ DeKalb Avenue {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 36th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ 59th Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Stillwell Avenue {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ West 8th Street-New York Aquarium {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Ocean Parkway {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Brighton Beach {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Dover Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ MacKenzie Street {} {(NX)} Ⓜ️ Riis Landing {} Ⓜ️ Beach 116th Street {} Ⓜ️ Hammels Wye {} Ⓜ️ Mott Avenue {} Ⓜ️ Doughty Boulevard {} Ⓜ️ Lawrence {}