Warfare and Human Sacrifice in the Moche World: New Discoveries and Continuing Debates

[@bryanvanloo5454]

I love these lectures. The best material to be found on KZbin

[@carlosbickel7036]

Nice information from the Moches. I’m from Trujillo, Peru. And I live in Sacramento, California

[@jon-marcyaden6265]

Thank you for making this fascinating information available online!

[@jessicamoores181]

John Verano is Fantastic!! Thank You John!!!! 🇺🇸😘👍👏❤️

[@jessicamoores181]

Very Interesting!!! Thank You John! Gods Speed👍

[@dianeweiss4562]

Excellent presentation.

[@rodrigobonzanini8235]

I don't now why, but I'm sympathetic with the idea of human sacrifice... so much that I spent a lot of money to buy myself an ancient bronze Sicán tumi, ritual knife used to perform the sacrifices... I take it in my hands and smile thinking about how many human throats it had cut when it was brand new... :D

[@thelifesampler]

lol

[@robbyrobrob1]

The past was scary . The present ? ..... still scary .

[@igor-yp1xv]

Very interested lecture.

[@hingginchu]

It's a sad, sad world.

[@annalisette5897]

I don't think we have information about marriage and family within the Moche culture. Many civilizations have had ordeals for young men, to make them tough, to occupy them when they were coming of age. If they succeeded and survived they would be full members of society and allowed to marry, etc. The ages of the Moche sacrificial victims could imply something like this. Perhaps there were warrior classes across a geographical area, and these fought, etc. Those who survived were accepted as full adult members of their societies. Could success in battle, even mere survival, have established the status of these men? Were the survivors with the greatest records eligible for the most advantageous marriages and status? What might have been the ratio of men to women in Moche culture? Were there too few women? Modern science claims more boy babies, and males in general, die at younger ages. But recently in another archaeology lecture, the lecturer claimed that female populations were historically decimated by death in childbirth. The Moche are also known for sexualized ceramics. Do these depict the high sex drive with too few legitimate outlets so that young men expended their natural lust proving themselves as warriors? Even today in developed societies, young men in general, get into lots of trouble. Ideally, young people should have something to occupy their time in constructive ways. Personally I favour activities like education and Peace Corps, but the military has also long been the dream of young men.

[@anaoha999]

Patrick Tierney " the highest altar" has nice info about human sacrifice by inca and other cultures

[@Paul-vk3gh]

...oh yeah.... this is the good stuff

[@hamerWithoutAmaster]

well that was fucking metal

[@marsmario-x2p]

why you take captives home to de-capitate them? food source

[@MauriceFitzGeraldsoraxtm]

This guy is gruesome. He really gets into the gore.

[@JoseRamirez-rk6si]

What happened! No video? Only a screen savor? This is a thumbs down in my part.

[@shermanatorosborn9688]

wait til you see what they are hiding at Saqsaywaman

[@forestdwellerresearch6593]

All that exquisite pottery and finely detailed artwork.....then look at the image of the Pyramid of the Moon....it's a boring, ugly big square box. What's up with that Moche dudes?

[@Necro3Monk]

May well have looked better when built, but outer coating or painting has worn away, decorations removed or decayed, etc.

[@Snotlingfondler]

The huacas were covered in brightly coloured paintings of deities, patterns and low relief sculpture.

[@cierakitty]

Seems if you were Moche, Aztec, Mayan, Inca, etc. one way or another you were doomed, or didn't live very long at all. All killed so much and so many, to so many gods, crops, sun, weather, whatever else they had, it's really hard to imagine this was just an everyday thing that went on. I guess it did no good to have ran off from the tribe, another tribe would get you eventually.

[@Necro3Monk]

Except for Aztecs, not a lot of people actually get killed if you think about it. (Several hundred bodies over a few hundred years means maybe a few a year, out of thousands to hundreds of thousands, unless lots and lots of skeletons are missing.) So, something like a public execution from close to modern times. (Even Aztecs it is thousands sacrificed out of millions. So, very, very dramatic, but not actually that big a fraction involved.)

[@thelifesampler]

what's worst. American civilizations or Europeans with endless wars and cristianity?. Moche killed high status and average warriors that lose in ritual combats. Azteca have a motivation and also political reasons. Inca in the other hand sacrified most o f the time children of extremely hight status to gods. No mass sacrifice during the inca empire but what they had was punishment over populations who opposed them and revolt.

[@pinchevulpes]

Moche lasted 1 thousand years. Some Europeans would call that a reich -span.

[@caesarillion]

Seems so ghastly how did the perpatrators get motivated or "high" on/for this? Drugs? Was the blood an aprodesiac? Orgies followed? Evidence in the polygamies?

[@Necro3Monk]

Lots of modern killers/executioners/torturers do similar things (just not with the possible religious motivation), these ancient people probably would do the same thing.

[@russellmillar7132]

In many ancient religions, blood sacrifice was deemed necessary to appease the angry gods. It doesn't mean the people weren't happy, healthy or thriving, they had different beliefs, worshiped different gods, and depended on their holy men to keep the world in balance. The crucifixion of Jesus can be seen as blood sacrifice to intercede between man and God.

[@jasjrock6424]

climate change got them as if

[@mickdeburgo5836]

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[@lotylelemon8617]

those captives look jewish or polish like